parties are gathering for a special live bbc scotland debate. we'll be hearing from john swinney, the smp, douglas ross for the scottish conservatives, anas sarwar in scottish labour, let's listen in. one general election that could change the country, welcome to a special edition of debate night. live from glasgow, welcome to debate night with scotland's political party leaders. this evening they will go head—to—head in front of an audience comprised of people with different voting intentions, some of them still undecided. joining us this evening we. anas sarwar, leader of scottish labour. lorna slater, co—leader of the scottish greens. douglas ross, leader of the scottish conservatives. and finally, from the scottish liberal democrats, leader alex cole—hamilton. please welcome them to this special live edition of debate night. applause we are live on tv, radio and the iplayer, and you canjoin in the debate on social media wherever you are. the hashtag is bbcdn. so what are the big issues for our audience this evening? let's hear first from the people who havejoined us in the room tonight. the people who will be voting in just a few weeks�* time. in a sentence, what matters most to you? if labour do well in scotland, will we hear for the next few years that independence is over? find we hear for the next few years that independence is over?— we hear for the next few years that independence is over? and the lady next to you. — independence is over? and the lady next to you, what _ independence is over? and the lady next to you, what matters - independence is over? and the lady next to you, what matters most to l next to you, what matters most to you? next to you, what matters most to ou? ~ . , , you? whichever party wins the election, business _ you? whichever party wins the election, business and - you? whichever party wins the i election, business and innovation will be _ election, business and innovation will be central to building a successful economy for us all. you want to hear _ successful economy for us all. you want to hear more _ successful economy for us all. 7m. want to hear more details on that. and the man next to you tonight, what is the most important issue for you? i what is the most important issue for ou? ., ., ~ ., ., what is the most important issue for ou? ., ., 4' ., ., , you? i want to know what the parties will do to improve _ you? i want to know what the parties will do to improve the _ you? i want to know what the parties will do to improve the situation - you? i want to know what the parties will do to improve the situation in . will do to improve the situation in gaza _ will do to improve the situation in gaza. . , ., will do to improve the situation in gaza. ., , ., ., gaza. the lady on the end here, what is the key issue _ gaza. the lady on the end here, what is the key issue for _ gaza. the lady on the end here, what is the key issue for you _ gaza. the lady on the end here, what is the key issue for you in the - is the key issue for you in the election? i is the key issue for you in the election?— election? i appreciate it is a devolved — election? i appreciate it is a devolved issue _ election? i appreciate it is a devolved issue but - election? i appreciate it is a devolved issue but what - election? i appreciate it is a devolved issue but what is i election? i appreciate it is a i devolved issue but what is the election? i appreciate it is a - devolved issue but what is the plan to make sure everyone in scotland has a place to call home?- to make sure everyone in scotland has a place to call home? thank you for all of that. _ i'm sure we will have more on those subjects when we get onto the questions. we will go through three main areas that we know you want to talk about — the economy, public services and the future of scotland. the aim is to help you get some answers and make your mind up, ahead of the 4th ofjuly. but first, let's hear opening statements from the party leaders. we drew lots earlier to determine the order, so let's start with lorna slater... tonight's debate isn't about politicians, it's about you. you and your family's future. a vote for the scottish greens is a vote to tackle the climate crisis. no new drilling for oil and gas, and a switch to 100% renewable energy. it's a vote to make the wealthiest contribute more — to invest in our schools, hospitals and buses. it's a vote to build on our work that has already lifted 100,000 children in scotland out of poverty. the tories, snp and labour have let you down. we are offering an alternative — one that builds a greener, and more equal future. vote like your future depends on it. vote for the scottish greens. thank you. and next, the leader of scottish labour, anas sarwar. it's time for change. injust over three weeks, we can finally get rid of this rotten tory government. that's an opportunity scotland can't afford to miss. a labour government will end tax loopholes for the super—rich, so we put more money into our nhs and cut waiting times. we'll lower bills for good by having our own energy company, headquartered here in scotland, owned by you. and we'll make work pay by giving a pay rise to more than 200,000 scots. we can't risk another five years of the tories. so every vote for scottish labour is a vote to make sure we get rid of the tories, to put scotland at the heart of a labour government, and to deliver the change our country needs. thank you. let's hear nexus evening from the leader of the conservatives, douglas ross. —— next this evening. i want the next five years to be all about delivering action - on the issues that really matter to you. - creating good jobs. cutting tax. - reducing nhs waiting lists. fixing the roads. _ investing in schools. in many seats across scotland, it's a straight fight _ between my party and the snp. i if the snp win, they'll claim every. seat as a mandate for independence. they'll be distracted from the local issues you care about most. - so in key seats up and down- scotland, if everyone who wants to beat the snp votes together for the scottish conservatives, | we can end their obsession. with independence for good. vote scottish conservative to beat the snp and get the focus - onto your priorities. thank you. next this evening, let's hear from the first minister of scotland, the leader of the snp, john swinney. spending cuts, brexit and the cost of living have all hit people hard. each is a product of decisions made in westminster. as your first minister, i want to deliver the best future for scotland. the snp has doubled front—line funding forthe nhs, expanded childcare and protected free tuition and free prescriptions. but westminster still holds most of scotland's purse—strings. independent experts are warning that labour and the conservatives are not being straight with you about massive spending cuts that are to come. we are arguing for no more cuts and to reverse brexit, so we can raise living standards. independence would give us the power to address all these issues. so vote snp to put scotland's interests first vote for a future made in scotland — for scotland. thank you. and last but not least, let's hear from the leader of the scottish liberal democrats, alex cole—hamilton. people ask me why i'm always smiling — why, when politics is such a serious business, the liberal democrats seem to enjoy it so much. well, the simple reason is we love what we do. serving our communities is why we get up in the morning. in the next parliament, we'll be working for a better britain, to restore your faith in politics and fix our broken relationship with europe. we'll get you fast access to gps and dentists, and give our nation's carers a fair deal. we'll stop sewage being dumped in our rivers, and deliver world—class education. only the scottish liberal democrats can beat the snp in huge swathes of scotland, from cupar to cape wrath, milngavie to mallaig, cramond to kirkwall. hope and change are just around the corner, you only need to vote for them. thank you. now it is over to our audience. we want to make the most of the rest of this hour, so i'd ask you to keep your answers focussed and to show respect for each other and the audience by not talking over each other. let's have our first question, which comes from janice deanie. on the economy. how will your party reduce the cost of living, as the majority _ of working—class families are constantly struggling | in the present climate? thank you. john swinney? a number of the thins thank you. john swinney? a number of the things we — thank you. john swinney? a number of the things we have _ thank you. john swinney? a number of the things we have already _ thank you. john swinney? a number of the things we have already done - thank you. john swinney? a number of the things we have already done and i the things we have already done and are helping with the cost of living, whether it is about the provision of free prescriptions, for example, all the support we give to university students to go through their university education without paying tuition fees. we have taken additional measures to focus directly on the cost of the school day, for example, and trying to reduce that the school children and families. the scottish child payment, which we put in place because we were prepared to increase got taxes in scotland to get higher earners to pay more in taxation is keeping 100,000 children out of poverty within scotland and a lot of those children will be in families where parents are working but they are not earning enough to provide sufficiently for their families. could it go further, could it increase?— could it go further, could it increase? the scottish child payment has been increased _ increase? the scottish child payment has been increased to _ increase? the scottish child payment has been increased to £26 _ increase? the scottish child payment has been increased to £26 a - increase? the scottish child payment has been increased to £26 a week - increase? the scottish child payment has been increased to £26 a week for eligible children and it has increased, the original proposition was for it to be set at £5 and we have increased it to £26. we have used the resources available to us by taking a hard decision on increasing taxation for higher earners, to make sure we can provide the support that makes a difference directly into families and households to support those families facing difficulty. of course, that is in addition to some of the work we have also done, for example in writing of the debt that exists around free school meals, where families have debts about school meals, we have written is up to make sure there is direct support going into individual households. so we want to make sure that the measures we take within the scottish government are feeding directly into family budget. but what worries me about what lies ahead is there is the threat of more spending cuts which will affect our ability to do that, and independent experts say there will be £18 billion of cuts after this election, whether the conservatives or the labour party form the government. we have to say no to that and we can say no to that by voting for the scottish national party. by voting for the scottish national pa . �* , by voting for the scottish national pa . �*, party. let's give douglas ross a chance to _ party. let's give douglas ross a chance to respond _ party. let's give douglas ross a chance to respond to _ party. let's give douglas ross a chance to respond to that. - party. let's give douglas ross a chance to respond to that. it - party. let's give douglas ross a chance to respond to that. it is| party. let's give douglas ross a l chance to respond to that. it is an important — chance to respond to that. it is an important issue. we have gone through— important issue. we have gone through global events which have put a real— through global events which have put a real strain on our economy and has had a _ a real strain on our economy and has had a huge _ a real strain on our economy and has had a huge impact on people in this room and _ had a huge impact on people in this room and across the country. if we look at _ room and across the country. if we look at the — room and across the country. if we look at the covid pandemic and the war in— look at the covid pandemic and the war in ukraine, there has been a massive — war in ukraine, there has been a massive shock to not only our domestic— massive shock to not only our domestic economy but economies across— domestic economy but economies across the — domestic economy but economies across the globe. the government at across the globe. the government at a uk level— across the globe. the government at a uk level have tried to provide some _ a uk level have tried to provide some universal support and some targeted — some universal support and some targeted support. at this election, we have _ targeted support. at this election, we have seen the uk conservatives reducing _ we have seen the uk conservatives reducing national insurance in both the autumn statement and the spring budget— the autumn statement and the spring budget and a commitment to reduce that further going forward because i think by— that further going forward because i think by allowing people to keep more _ think by allowing people to keep more of— think by allowing people to keep more of their own money on their own pockets, _ more of their own money on their own pockets, that— more of their own money on their own pockets, that helps them through these _ pockets, that helps them through these difficult times. but we not through— these difficult times. but we not through the most difficult period and it— through the most difficult period and it is— through the most difficult period and it is right that we all come as parties. _ and it is right that we all come as parties, focus on helping individuals, families and communities. we may take different approaches to that but i think there will he _ approaches to that but i think there will be agreement that this has been a particularly difficult period for people — a particularly difficult period for people across the country and there is more _ people across the country and there is more to— people across the country and there is more to do. that is why when i was making — is more to do. that is why when i was making my introductory remarks, i was making my introductory remarks, i was _ was making my introductory remarks, i was focusing on the issues that really— i was focusing on the issues that really matter to people and that is improving — really matter to people and that is improving our public services, by making _ improving our public services, by making sure there is the opportunity for people _ making sure there is the opportunity for people to see a local gp, to see investment— for people to see a local gp, to see investment in their local area, to grow— investment in their local area, to grow the — investment in their local area, to grow the economy, to make sure we have more _ grow the economy, to make sure we have more money to spend on our public— have more money to spend on our public services here in scotland and help people through the difficult and challenging times they are facing — and challenging times they are facina. , , ,., , facing. ok, if this is something is affectin: facing. ok, if this is something is affecting you _ facing. ok, if this is something is affecting you at — facing. ok, if this is something is affecting you at the _ facing. ok, if this is something is affecting you at the moment - facing. ok, if this is something is affecting you at the moment in i facing. ok, if this is something is i affecting you at the moment in your lives and your family's lives, we would like to hearfrom lives and your family's lives, we would like to hear from your experiences this evening. anas sarwar, john swinney says there is an £18 billion cut to spending and is that true?— an £18 billion cut to spending and is that true? no, and there will be no austerity _ is that true? no, and there will be no austerity under— is that true? no, and there will be no austerity under a _ is that true? no, and there will be no austerity under a labour- no austerity under a labour government _ no austerity under a labour government. we _ no austerity under a labour government. we saw- no austerity under a labour government. we saw the i no austerity under a labour— government. we saw the consequences of t ow— government. we saw the consequences of tory austerity _ government. we saw the consequences of tory austerity on — government. we saw the consequences of tory austerity on this _ government. we saw the consequences of tory austerity on this country - of tory austerity on this country and how— of tory austerity on this country and how it — of tory austerity on this country and how it devastated - of tory austerity on this country and how it devastated local- of tory austerity on this country - and how it devastated local budgets and how it devastated local budgets and saw _ and how it devastated local budgets and saw the — and how it devastated local budgets and saw the consequences - and how it devastated local budgets and saw the consequences of - and saw the consequences of austerity— and saw the consequences of austerity imposed _ and saw the consequences of austerity imposed by- and saw the consequences of austerity imposed byjohn . and saw the consequences of - austerity imposed byjohn swinney when _ austerity imposed byjohn swinney when he _ austerity imposed byjohn swinney when he was — austerity imposed byjohn swinney when he was finance _ austerity imposed byjohn swinney when he was finance secretary. . austerity imposed byjohn swinneyl when he was finance secretary. but the reason — when he was finance secretary. but the reason why— when he was finance secretary. but the reason why issue _ when he was finance secretary. but the reason why issue is so - when he was finance secretary. but. the reason why issue is so important .oes the reason why issue is so important goes to— the reason why issue is so important goes to the — the reason why issue is so important goes to the heart— the reason why issue is so important goes to the heart of— the reason why issue is so important goes to the heart of the _ the reason why issue is so important goes to the heart of the campaign i goes to the heart of the campaign is the result— goes to the heart of the campaign is the result of— goes to the heart of the campaign is the result of tory— goes to the heart of the campaign is the result of tory economic - goes to the heart of the campaign is the result of tory economic carnage| the result of tory economic carnage means— the result of tory economic carnage means the — the result of tory economic carnage means the average _ the result of tory economic carnage means the average household - the result of tory economic carnage - means the average household mortgage has gone _ means the average household mortgage has gone up _ means the average household mortgage has gone up by— means the average household mortgage has gone up by over— means the average household mortgage has gone up by over £2000 _ means the average household mortgage has gone up by over £2000 in— has gone up by over £2000 in scotland — has gone up by over £2000 in scotland over— has gone up by over £2000 in scotland over the _ has gone up by over £2000 in scotland over the last - has gone up by over £2000 in scotland over the last year. i scotland over the last year. household _ scotland over the last year. household bills, _ scotland over the last year. household bills, in - scotland over the last year. household bills, in terms i scotland over the last year. | household bills, in terms of scotland over the last year. i household bills, in terms of the weekly— household bills, in terms of the weekly shop. _ household bills, in terms of the weekly shop, are _ household bills, in terms of the weekly shop, are up— household bills, in terms of the weekly shop, are up 20%. i household bills, in terms of the i weekly shop, are up 20%. energy bills weekly shop, are up 20%. energy hills are _ weekly shop, are up 20%. energy bills are through _ weekly shop, are up 20%. energy bills are through the _ weekly shop, are up 20%. energy bills are through the roof - weekly shop, are up 20%. energy bills are through the roof and, i bills are through the roof and, tragically, _ bills are through the roof and, tragically, there _ bills are through the roof and, tragically, there are _ bills are through the roof and, tragically, there are many- bills are through the roof and, i tragically, there are many families across— tragically, there are many families across this — tragically, there are many families across this city _ tragically, there are many families across this city and _ tragically, there are many families across this city and across - tragically, there are many families across this city and across this i across this city and across this country— across this city and across this country who— across this city and across this country who are _ across this city and across this country who are skipping i across this city and across this i country who are skipping meals, predominantly— country who are skipping meals, predominantly mums, _ country who are skipping meals, predominantly mums, to- country who are skipping meals, predominantly mums, to put- country who are skipping meals, i predominantly mums, to put meals on the table _ predominantly mums, to put meals on the table. ~ ., , predominantly mums, to put meals on thetable. ., , , , ., the table. who is responsible for that? i the table. who is responsible for that? i hold _ the table. who is responsible for that? l hold this _ the table. who is responsible for that? i hold this conservative i that? i hold this conservative government _ that? i hold this conservative government and _ that? i hold this conservative government and economic i that? i hold this conservative i government and economic chaos that? i hold this conservative _ government and economic chaos wholly responsible _ government and economic chaos wholly responsible for— government and economic chaos wholly responsible for this _ government and economic chaos wholly responsible for this cost _ government and economic chaos wholly responsible for this cost of _ government and economic chaos wholly responsible for this cost of living - responsible for this cost of living crisis _ responsible for this cost of living crisis the — responsible for this cost of living crisis. the lady— responsible for this cost of living crisis. the lady rightly— responsible for this cost of living crisis. the lady rightly asks i responsible for this cost of livingi crisis. the lady rightly asks about what _ crisis. the lady rightly asks about what we — crisis. the lady rightly asks about what we will _ crisis. the lady rightly asks about what we will specifically- crisis. the lady rightly asks about what we will specifically do i crisis. the lady rightly asks about what we will specifically do to i what we will specifically do to challenge _ what we will specifically do to challenge it _ what we will specifically do to challenge it. first, _ what we will specifically do to challenge it. first, we - what we will specifically do to challenge it. first, we will. what we will specifically do to i challenge it. first, we will make work— challenge it. first, we will make work pay— challenge it. first, we will make work pay and _ challenge it. first, we will make work pay and that _ challenge it. first, we will make work pay and that means - challenge it. first, we will make work pay and that means giving | challenge it. first, we will makel work pay and that means giving a challenge it. first, we will make i work pay and that means giving a pay rise to _ work pay and that means giving a pay rise to over— work pay and that means giving a pay rise to over 200,000 _ work pay and that means giving a pay rise to over 200,000 scots, - rise to over 200,000 scots, including _ rise to over 200,000 scots, including 32,000 _ rise to over 200,000 scots, including 32,000 people i rise to over 200,000 scots, including 32,000 people in. rise to over 200,000 scots, - including 32,000 people in glasgow alone _ including 32,000 people in glasgow alone to _ including 32,000 people in glasgow alone to make — including 32,000 people in glasgow alone to make work— including 32,000 people in glasgow alone to make work pay— including 32,000 people in glasgow alone to make work pay and - including 32,000 people in glasgow alone to make work pay and deliver| including 32,000 people in glasgow. alone to make work pay and deliver a genuine _ alone to make work pay and deliver a genuine living — alone to make work pay and deliver a genuine living wage. _ alone to make work pay and deliver a genuine living wage. secondly, i alone to make work pay and deliver a genuine living wage. secondly, we i genuine living wage. secondly, we are going — genuine living wage. secondly, we are going to— genuine living wage. secondly, we are going to impose _ genuine living wage. secondly, we are going to impose a _ genuine living wage. secondly, we are going to impose a windfall- genuine living wage. secondly, we are going to impose a windfall tax| are going to impose a windfall tax on the _ are going to impose a windfall tax on the oil— are going to impose a windfall tax on the oil and _ are going to impose a windfall tax on the oil and gas _ are going to impose a windfall tax on the oil and gas giants - are going to impose a windfall tax on the oil and gas giants who i are going to impose a windfall tax on the oil and gas giants who are i on the oil and gas giants who are making _ on the oil and gas giants who are making record _ on the oil and gas giants who are making record profits— on the oil and gas giants who are making record profits and - on the oil and gas giants who are making record profits and use i on the oil and gas giants who are i making record profits and use that money _ making record profits and use that money to — making record profits and use that money to lower _ making record profits and use that money to lower people's - making record profits and use that money to lower people's bills i making record profits and use that money to lower people's bills and | money to lower people's bills and invest— money to lower people's bills and invest in— money to lower people's bills and invest in the — money to lower people's bills and invest in the jobs _ money to lower people's bills and invest in the jobs of— money to lower people's bills and invest in the jobs of the _ money to lower people's bills and invest in the jobs of the future. i invest in the jobs of the future. that— invest in the jobs of the future. that would _ invest in the jobs of the future. that would raise _ invest in the jobs of the future. that would raise £10 _ invest in the jobs of the future. that would raise £10 billion, i that would raise £10 billion, something _ that would raise £10 billion, something shockingly- that would raise £10 billion, something shockingly that i that would raise £10 billion, i something shockingly that the snp are now— something shockingly that the snp are now the — something shockingly that the snp are now the tories _ something shockingly that the snp are now the tories seem _ something shockingly that the snp are now the tories seem to - something shockingly that the snp| are now the tories seem to oppose although— are now the tories seem to oppose although they — are now the tories seem to oppose although they want _ are now the tories seem to oppose although they want to _ are now the tories seem to oppose although they want to impose i are now the tories seem to oppose i although they want to impose higher taxes _ although they want to impose higher taxes. , ., ,, , although they want to impose higher taxes-_ let me - although they want to impose higher taxes._ let me finish i taxes. john swinney? let me finish that point. — taxes. john swinney? let me finish that point, sorry. _ taxes. john swinney? let me finish that point, sorry. thirdly, - taxes. john swinney? let me finish that point, sorry. thirdly, what- taxes. john swinney? let me finish that point, sorry. thirdly, what we| that point, sorry. thirdly, what we want _ that point, sorry. thirdly, what we want to— that point, sorry. thirdly, what we want to do— that point, sorry. thirdly, what we want to do is— that point, sorry. thirdly, what we want to do is invest _ that point, sorry. thirdly, what we want to do is invest in _ that point, sorry. thirdly, what we want to do is invest in the - that point, sorry. thirdly, what we want to do is invest in the jobs i that point, sorry. thirdly, what we want to do is invest in the jobs ofl want to do is invest in the jobs of the future — want to do is invest in the jobs of the future and _ want to do is invest in the jobs of the future and deliver— want to do is invest in the jobs of the future and deliver economic i the future and deliver economic stability— the future and deliver economic stability because _ the future and deliver economic stability because if _ the future and deliver economic stability because if we - the future and deliver economic stability because if we deliver. stability because if we deliver ecorromic— stability because if we deliver economic stability, _ stability because if we deliver economic stability, we - stability because if we deliver economic stability, we can i stability because if we deliver. economic stability, we can bring down _ economic stability, we can bring down the — economic stability, we can bring down the cost _ economic stability, we can bring down the cost of _ economic stability, we can bring down the cost of people's i economic stability, we can bring i down the cost of people's mortgage and the _ down the cost of people's mortgage and the cost — down the cost of people's mortgage and the cost of— down the cost of people's mortgage and the cost of people's _ down the cost of people's mortgage and the cost of people's weekly- down the cost of people's mortgagel and the cost of people's weekly food bill and _ and the cost of people's weekly food bill and invest— and the cost of people's weekly food bill and invest in— and the cost of people's weekly food bill and invest in the _ bill and invest in the public services _ bill and invest in the public services we _ bill and invest in the public services we need - bill and invest in the public services we need to - bill and invest in the public services we need to make i bill and invest in the public- services we need to make sure every single _ services we need to make sure every single person — services we need to make sure every single person across _ services we need to make sure every single person across the _ services we need to make sure every single person across the the - services we need to make sure every single person across the the city- single person across the the city thrives — single person across the the city thrives. , ., , , , thrives. the problem is independent ex - erts, thrives. the problem is independent experts. the — thrives. the problem is independent experts, the institute _ thrives. the problem is independent experts, the institute for— thrives. the problem is independent experts, the institute for fiscal- experts, the institute for fiscal studies, the institute for government, thejoseph rowntree foundation say there are £18 billion worth of cuts that the conservative government plan, which the labour party has accepted because they have accepted that fiscal discipline, the fiscal rules the tories are putting in place. what that means is that anas is not being straight with you. there will be £18 billion of public spending cuts and we have had enough austerity from the tories, we don't want it imposed on us by any incoming labour government. let me be straiaht incoming labour government. let me be straight with _ incoming labour government. let me be straight with you _ incoming labour government. let me be straight with you and _ incoming labour government. let me be straight with you and the - incoming labour government. let me be straight with you and the public i be straight with you and the public as well _ be straight with you and the public as well we — be straight with you and the public as well. we will _ be straight with you and the public as well. we will raise _ be straight with you and the public as well. we will raise revenue i be straight with you and the public as well. we will raise revenue and| as well. we will raise revenue and we will— as well. we will raise revenue and we will raise — as well. we will raise revenue and we will raise revenue _ as well. we will raise revenue and we will raise revenue by— as well. we will raise revenue and we will raise revenue by windfall i we will raise revenue by windfall tax on _ we will raise revenue by windfall tax on the — we will raise revenue by windfall tax on the oil— we will raise revenue by windfall i tax on the oil and gas giants which would _ tax on the oil and gas giants which would raise — tax on the oil and gas giants which would raise £10 _ tax on the oil and gas giants which would raise £10 billion— tax on the oil and gas giants which would raise £10 billion which- tax on the oil and gas giants which would raise £10 billion which is- tax on the oil and gas giants which would raise £10 billion which is a i would raise £10 billion which is a measure — would raise £10 billion which is a measure you _ would raise £10 billion which is a measure you would _ would raise £10 billion which is a measure you would close. i would raise £10 billion which is a measure you would close. but... but... measure you would close. but... but- -- why _ measure you would close. but... but... why not _ measure you would close. but... but... why not be _ measure you would close. but... but... why not be straight i measure you would close. but... but... why not be straight with l measure you would close. but... i but... why not be straight with the ublic? you will raise these items of revenue, but you are allocating that to other spending. tojust revenue, but you are allocating that to other spending. to just keep the lights on, there is going to have to be £18 billion worth of cuts and that is going to put a lot of people's lights off and you have to be straight with the public about the cuts labour are signing up to by accepting the physical constraints of the tories. that is bad news for the people of this country. home of the tories. that is bad news for the people of this country. none of this is helping _ the people of this country. none of this is helping janice _ the people of this country. none of this is helping janice and _ the people of this country. none of this is helping janice and her i this is helping janice and her concerns about the cost—of—living crisis. douglas ross, is this new and the conservatives? fin crisis. douglas ross, is this new and the conservatives? on the two oints and the conservatives? on the two points from — and the conservatives? on the two points from john — and the conservatives? on the two points from john and _ and the conservatives? on the two points from john and anas. - and the conservatives? on the two points from john and anas. john i and the conservatives? on the two points from john and anas. john is| points from john and anas. john is not being — points from john and anas. john is not being honest in telling this audience — not being honest in telling this audience and people across scotland, he has _ audience and people across scotland, he has made scotland a hires taxpayers around the uk. people earning _ taxpayers around the uk. people earning over 80,000 are paying more for people _ earning over 80,000 are paying more for people doing the exact same job then people in the rest of the uk and the — then people in the rest of the uk and the services they receive poorer as a result — and the services they receive poorer as a result. if i canjust finish? you _ as a result. if i canjust finish? you tell— as a result. if i canjust finish? you tell someone that receiving this scottish child payment. latte you tell someone that receiving this scottish child payment.— you tell someone that receiving this scottish child payment. we were in a debate this afternoon _ scottish child payment. we were in a debate this afternoon where - scottish child payment. we were in a debate this afternoon where i - debate this afternoon where i accepted the payment has made a difference, but there is a lot more we can— difference, but there is a lot more we can do — difference, but there is a lot more we can do. we discussed a quarter of a million _ we can do. we discussed a quarter of a million children in scotland living — a million children in scotland living in— a million children in scotland living in poverty, we need to do more _ living in poverty, we need to do more on — living in poverty, we need to do more on that. on the point of anas and energy. — more on that. on the point of anas and energy, he is not being honest in telling _ and energy, he is not being honest in telling people his plans for the oil and _ in telling people his plans for the oil and gas sector will put at risk 100,000 — oil and gas sector will put at risk 100,000 jobs. those jobs across scotland — 100,000 jobs. those jobs across scotland including in glasgow. we are scotland including in glasgow. are talking scotland including in glasgow. - are talking about the cost—of—living crisis, janice wants answers, alex cole—hamilton. crisis, janice wants answers, alex cole-hamilton.— cole-hamilton. before politics, it was a youth _ cole-hamilton. before politics, it was a youth worker— cole-hamilton. before politics, it was a youth worker for— cole-hamilton. before politics, it was a youth worker for 20 - cole-hamilton. before politics, it was a youth worker for 20 years, | was a youth worker for 20 years, largely— was a youth worker for 20 years, largely within _ was a youth worker for 20 years, largely within a _ was a youth worker for 20 years, largely within a city _ was a youth worker for 20 years, largely within a city of _ was a youth worker for 20 years, largely within a city of young i largely within a city of young people — largely within a city of young pe0ple in_ largely within a city of young people in scotland _ largely within a city of young people in scotland most - largely within a city of young people in scotland most at l largely within a city of young . people in scotland most at risk largely within a city of young - people in scotland most at risk of poverty — people in scotland most at risk of poverty i — people in scotland most at risk of poverty. i have _ people in scotland most at risk of poverty. i have seen— people in scotland most at risk of poverty. i have seen poverty, - people in scotland most at risk of poverty. i have seen poverty, i. people in scotland most at risk of. poverty. i have seen poverty, i have never_ poverty. i have seen poverty, i have never seen — poverty. i have seen poverty, i have never seen anything _ poverty. i have seen poverty, i have never seen anything like _ poverty. i have seen poverty, i have never seen anything like this, - never seen anything like this, this is the _ never seen anything like this, this is the worst— never seen anything like this, this is the worst cost—of—living - never seen anything like this, this is the worst cost—of—living crisis . is the worst cost—of—living crisis since _ is the worst cost—of—living crisis since the — is the worst cost—of—living crisis since the end _ is the worst cost—of—living crisis since the end of— is the worst cost—of—living crisis since the end of rationing. - is the worst cost—of—living crisis since the end of rationing. the. since the end of rationing. the liberat— since the end of rationing. the liberal democrats _ since the end of rationing. the| liberal democrats immediately since the end of rationing. the - liberal democrats immediately would reverse _ liberal democrats immediately would reverse the _ liberal democrats immediately would reverse the two — liberal democrats immediately would reverse the two channel— liberal democrats immediately would reverse the two channel cap - liberal democrats immediately would reverse the two channel cap on - reverse the two channel cap on benefits — reverse the two channel cap on benefits and _ reverse the two channel cap on benefits and grow _ reverse the two channel cap on benefits and grow the economy reverse the two channel cap on i benefits and grow the economy by helping _ benefits and grow the economy by helping the — benefits and grow the economy by helping the one _ benefits and grow the economy by helping the one in— benefits and grow the economy by helping the one in seven - benefits and grow the economy by helping the one in seven scots - benefits and grow the economy by helping the one in seven scots on| helping the one in seven scots on waiting _ helping the one in seven scots on waiting lists, _ helping the one in seven scots on waiting lists, so _ helping the one in seven scots on waiting lists, so 175,000 - helping the one in seven scots on waiting lists, so 175,000 scots i helping the one in seven scots on l waiting lists, so 175,000 scots with lon- waiting lists, so 175,000 scots with tong covid — waiting lists, so 175,000 scots with tong covid not— waiting lists, so 175,000 scots with long covid not in— waiting lists, so 175,000 scots with long covid not in work— waiting lists, so 175,000 scots with long covid not in work would - waiting lists, so 175,000 scots with. long covid not in work would be back in work— long covid not in work would be back in work so _ long covid not in work would be back in work so they— long covid not in work would be back in work so they can _ long covid not in work would be back in work so they can earn _ long covid not in work would be back in work so they can earn money - long covid not in work would be back in work so they can earn money for l in work so they can earn money for themselves— in work so they can earn money for themselves and _ in work so they can earn money for themselves and families. - in work so they can earn money for themselves and families. we - in work so they can earn money for| themselves and families. we would .row themselves and families. we would grow the _ themselves and families. we would grow the skills _ themselves and families. we would grow the skills economy, _ themselves and families. we would grow the skills economy, reduce i grow the skills economy, reduce friction— grow the skills economy, reduce friction with _ grow the skills economy, reduce friction with europe. _ grow the skills economy, reduce friction with europe. but - grow the skills economy, reduce friction with europe. but the - friction with europe. but the primary— friction with europe. but the primary focus, _ friction with europe. but the primary focus, you - friction with europe. but the primary focus, you will - friction with europe. but the primary focus, you will have| friction with europe. but the - primary focus, you will have seen from _ primary focus, you will have seen from ed _ primary focus, you will have seen from ed davev's _ primary focus, you will have seen from ed davey's work _ primary focus, you will have seen from ed davey's work in - primary focus, you will have seen from ed davey's work in this - from ed davey's work in this campaign _ from ed davey's work in this campaign he _ from ed davey's work in this campaign he is _ from ed davey's work in this campaign he is a _ from ed davey's work in this campaign he is a carer firsti from ed davey's work in this. campaign he is a carer first of from ed davey's work in this - campaign he is a carer first of his profoundly— campaign he is a carer first of his profoundly disabled _ campaign he is a carer first of his profoundly disabled son - campaign he is a carer first of his profoundly disabled son and - campaign he is a carer first of his. profoundly disabled son and carers are a _ profoundly disabled son and carers are a real— profoundly disabled son and carers are a real focus _ profoundly disabled son and carers are a real focus for us. _ profoundly disabled son and carers are a real focus for us. why? - profoundly disabled son and carers are a real focus for us. why? 50%| are a real focus for us. why? 50% of carers _ are a real focus for us. why? 50% of carers when — are a real focus for us. why? 50% of carers when survey— are a real focus for us. why? 50% of carers when survey to _ are a real focus for us. why? 50% of carers when survey to tell— are a real focus for us. why? 50% of carers when survey to tell you - are a real focus for us. why? 50% of carers when survey to tell you they. carers when survey to tell you they find it _ carers when survey to tell you they find it hard — carers when survey to tell you they find it hard to _ carers when survey to tell you they find it hard to make _ carers when survey to tell you they find it hard to make ends- carers when survey to tell you they find it hard to make ends meet. i carers when survey to tell you they. find it hard to make ends meet. 30% of carers _ find it hard to make ends meet. 30% of carers go — find it hard to make ends meet. 30% of carers go without _ find it hard to make ends meet. 30% of carers go without food on - find it hard to make ends meet. 30% of carers go without food on a - of carers go without food on a regular— of carers go without food on a regular basis _ of carers go without food on a regular basis. these - of carers go without food on a regular basis. these are - of carers go without food on a i regular basis. these are people of carers go without food on a - regular basis. these are people our governments — regular basis. these are people our governments are _ regular basis. these are people our governments are exploiting - regular basis. these are people our governments are exploiting for - governments are exploiting for the love that _ governments are exploiting for the love that they— governments are exploiting for the love that they have _ governments are exploiting for the love that they have for _ governments are exploiting for the love that they have for their- governments are exploiting for the love that they have for their familyi love that they have for their family members. they— love that they have for their family members, they are _ love that they have for their family members, they are in _ love that they have for their family members, they are in large - love that they have for their family members, they are in large part. members, they are in large part unpaid — members, they are in large part unpaid. thats— members, they are in large part unpaid. that's why _ members, they are in large part unpaid. that's why the - members, they are in large part unpaid. that's why the liberal. unpaid. that's why the liberal democrats _ unpaid. that's why the liberal democrats want _ unpaid. that's why the liberal democrats want to _ unpaid. that's why the liberal democrats want to reward - unpaid. that's why the liberal. democrats want to reward them unpaid. that's why the liberal- democrats want to reward them with an extra _ democrats want to reward them with an extra £1000 — democrats want to reward them with an extra £1000 a _ democrats want to reward them with an extra £1000 a year— democrats want to reward them with an extra £1000 a year in— democrats want to reward them with an extra £1000 a year in terms- democrats want to reward them with an extra £1000 a year in terms of. an extra £1000 a year in terms of an increase _ an extra £1000 a year in terms of an increase to _ an extra £1000 a year in terms of an increase to the — an extra £1000 a year in terms of an increase to the carer's _ an extra £1000 a year in terms of an increase to the carer's allowance. i increase to the carer's allowance. but i _ increase to the carer's allowance. but i tistened _ increase to the carer's allowance. but i listened to— increase to the carer's allowance. but i listened to douglas - increase to the carer's allowance. but i listened to douglas ross - but i listened to douglas ross explaining _ but i listened to douglas ross exptaining whv _ but i listened to douglas ross explaining why this _ but i listened to douglas ross explaining why this is - but i listened to douglas ross explaining why this is the - but i listened to douglas ross| explaining why this is the fault but i listened to douglas ross i explaining why this is the fault of others, _ explaining why this is the fault of others, but — explaining why this is the fault of others, but everybody _ explaining why this is the fault of others, but everybody has - explaining why this is the fault of others, but everybody has been. others, but everybody has been harmed — others, but everybody has been harmed by— others, but everybody has been harmed by this _ others, but everybody has been harmed by this conservative - harmed by this conservative government _ harmed by this conservative government. everybody - harmed by this conservative government. everybody has| harmed by this conservative - government. everybody has felt the cost of _ government. everybody has felt the cost of the — government. everybody has felt the cost of the reckless _ government. everybody has felt the cost of the reckless tory _ cost of the reckless tory mismanagement- cost of the reckless tory mismanagement of- cost of the reckless tory mismanagement of ouri cost of the reckless tory - mismanagement of our nation's finances — mismanagement of our nation's finances li2— mismanagement of our nation's finances. liz truss _ mismanagement of our nation's finances. liz truss ignored - mismanagement of our nation's finances. liz truss ignored the i finances. liz truss ignored the office — finances. liz truss ignored the 0ffice for— finances. liz truss ignored the office for budget _ finances. liz truss ignored the i office for budget responsibility when _ office for budget responsibility when she — office for budget responsibility when she rewarded _ office for budget responsibility when she rewarded the - office for budget responsibility when she rewarded the richesti office for budget responsibility - when she rewarded the richest people in our— when she rewarded the richest people in our society— when she rewarded the richest people in our society with _ when she rewarded the richest people in our society with unfunded - when she rewarded the richest people in our society with unfunded tax - in our society with unfunded tax cuts, _ in our society with unfunded tax cuts, and — in our society with unfunded tax cuts, and everybody— in our society with unfunded tax cuts, and everybody felt - in our society with unfunded tax cuts, and everybody felt the - in our society with unfunded tax . cuts, and everybody felt the pinch of that _ cuts, and everybody felt the pinch of that in — cuts, and everybody felt the pinch of that in their _ cuts, and everybody felt the pinch of that in their mortgages, - cuts, and everybody felt the pinch of that in their mortgages, in - cuts, and everybody felt the pinch of that in their mortgages, in renti of that in their mortgages, in rent payments — of that in their mortgages, in rent payments. and _ of that in their mortgages, in rent payments. and that _ of that in their mortgages, in rent payments. and that will _ of that in their mortgages, in rent payments. and that will linger - of that in their mortgages, in rent payments. and that will linger fori payments. and that will linger for years _ payments. and that will linger for years thats— payments. and that will linger for years. that's why _ payments. and that will linger for years. that's why it _ payments. and that will linger for years. that's why it is _ payments. and that will linger for years. that's why it is time - payments. and that will linger for years. that's why it is time we - payments. and that will linger for . years. that's why it is time we were rid of— years. that's why it is time we were rid of them — years. that's why it is time we were rid of them-— rid of them. lorna slater. i find several of _ rid of them. lorna slater. i find several of the _ rid of them. lorna slater. i find several of the things _ rid of them. lorna slater. i find several of the things douglas i rid of them. lorna slater. i find i several of the things douglas ross said to be disingenuous. the 100,000 jobs figures based on an american investment bank trying to win oil and gas money profits. the idea that he tries to project that we are in this together is simply not true. working people have borne the brunt of cuts because the tories, that austerity policies mean they have been cutting taxes for the wealthiest and trying to balance the books by cutting public services. and the money we need in scotland, that capital money we need to build better roads, railroads and hospitals. it is disingenuous of douglas ross to pretend times are hard. times are not hard for the super wealthy. they have made out like bandits and is covid, their wealth has doubled and tripled. what the scottish greens would do is make sure those super wealthy pay their fair share. we propose a 1% tax, sorry, attacks on the super wealthy who have more assets, £31; million, which would raise billions and billions of pounds for the treasury which we could invest in those building schools and hospitals and of course, in that green transition. because so many of the things that we need to do to transition to the new economy, like the free bus travel for everyone under 22 in scotland, not only puts money back in your pocket, but helps towards that net zero future. the in your pocket, but helps towards that net zero future.— that net zero future. the boss of scottish financial _ that net zero future. the boss of scottish financial enterprise - that net zero future. the boss of scottish financial enterprise in i scottish financial enterprise in scotland is becoming a dangerous place to be rich or create wealth, is he right? in place to be rich or create wealth, is be right?— is he right? in scotland, we do believe in _ is he right? in scotland, we do believe in having _ is he right? in scotland, we do believe in having a _ is he right? in scotland, we do believe in having a fairer - is he right? in scotland, we do i believe in having a fairer society. in order to pay for all the great things we have from free university tuition to baby boxes, free prescriptions, that free bus travel, we know the wealthiest need to contribute a bit more. that is fair, thatis contribute a bit more. that is fair, that is progressive. in fact, the scottish greens say that we can go further. we could look at things like luxury taxes for people who fly private jets. like luxury taxes for people who fly privatejets. carbon like luxury taxes for people who fly private jets. carbon taxes for some of the biggest polluters. there are more creative and entrepreneurial ways governments can raise that money so that we have that investment we need to. i don't want you to believe what everybody is saying that they can spend, spend, spend without raising revenue. you have to make money to spend money and we need that significant investment in our nhs because all of you know from your own experience how challenging times are. let’s you know from your own experience how challenging times are. let's get some reaction _ how challenging times are. let's get some reaction from _ how challenging times are. let's get some reaction from our— how challenging times are. let's get some reaction from our audience - how challenging times are. let's get| some reaction from our audience live in glasgow here this evening. these politicians speaking a language and telling you what you want to hear? the man the back.— telling you what you want to hear? the man the back. -- speaking your lanaauae. the man the back. -- speaking your language- douglas _ the man the back. -- speaking your language. douglas ross _ the man the back. -- speaking your language. douglas ross raises - the man the back. -- speaking your language. douglas ross raises the l language. douglas ross raises the war in— language. douglas ross raises the war in ukraine _ language. douglas ross raises the war in ukraine and _ language. douglas ross raises the war in ukraine and the _ war in ukraine and the pandemic, they war in ukraine and the pandemic, thevare— war in ukraine and the pandemic, they are relatively— war in ukraine and the pandemic, they are relatively recently. - they are relatively recently. you were _ they are relatively recently. you were in — they are relatively recently. you were in charge _ they are relatively recently. you were in charge before _ they are relatively recently. you were in charge before then, - they are relatively recently. you were in charge before then, yet| they are relatively recently. you - were in charge before then, yet you still want _ were in charge before then, yet you still want us — were in charge before then, yet you still want us to _ were in charge before then, yet you still want us to believe _ were in charge before then, yet you still want us to believe there - were in charge before then, yet you still want us to believe there will i still want us to believe there will be iam _ still want us to believe there will be jam tomorrow? _ still want us to believe there will be jam tomorrow?— still want us to believe there will be jam tomorrow? still want us to believe there will be “am tomorrow? , a , ,., be jam tomorrow? let me pick up some voices from the — be jam tomorrow? let me pick up some voices from the audience. _ be jam tomorrow? let me pick up some voices from the audience. the - be jam tomorrow? let me pick up some voices from the audience. the lady - voices from the audience. the lady with the glasses on the third row. i just wanted to challenge john just wanted to challengejohn swinney�*s assertion about the snp's progress with free school meals. the snp have not fulfilled their 2021 manifesto promise of giving free school meals to all premier schoolchildren, but i also just wanted to say to douglas ross as a taxpayer in scotland that i have no problem paying more tax to lift the children of scotland out of poverty. applause thank you. the man at the end of the road down here. yes?— road down here. yes? i would 'ust like to ask — road down here. yes? i would 'ust like to askjohn i road down here. yes? i would 'ust like to askjohn swinney �* road down here. yes? i wouldjust like to ask john swinney about the like to askjohn swinney about the tax breaks— like to askjohn swinney about the tax breaks for businesses that this snp and _ tax breaks for businesses that this snp and the greens refused to pass on. because if you let businesses thrive, _ on. because if you let businesses thrive, thev— on. because if you let businesses thrive, they will employ more people — thrive, they will employ more people. yet you will not pass on the business _ people. yet you will not pass on the business rates. you claim 100,000, but there _ business rates. you claim 100,000, but there are — business rates. you claim 100,000, but there are over1 million businesses. so it is may be about time _ businesses. so it is may be about time you — businesses. so it is may be about time you are honest with people and give people a break. john time you are honest with people and give people a break.— give people a break. john swinney. let me answer— give people a break. john swinney. let me answer that _ give people a break. john swinney. let me answer that question - let me answer that question directly. there are over 100,000 businesses in scotland free of paying business rates because of the business rates policy the scottish government has put in place. there is a particular issue about financial support that was given to the hospitality sector by the uk government. that was a flow of money that came to the scottish government about that and we chose to invest that in the national health service to do all that we could to try to reduce waiting times and to support the national health service recover from the covid pandemic. that is a choice, i am from the covid pandemic. that is a choice, lam not from the covid pandemic. that is a choice, i am not going to apologise for that choice because i believe investment in the national health service is the most important thing to do with that money at that particular time. to do with that money at that particulartime. given to do with that money at that particular time. given the fact that scotland has already very generous system of business tax relief for business rates scotland.- system of business tax relief for business rates scotland. let's coal hamilton. what _ business rates scotland. let's coal hamilton. what little _ business rates scotland. let's coal hamilton. what little we _ business rates scotland. let's coal hamilton. what little we know- business rates scotland. let's coall hamilton. what little we know from the covid _ hamilton. what little we know from the covid inquiry— hamilton. what little we know from the covid inquiry and _ hamilton. what little we know from the covid inquiry and i— hamilton. what little we know from the covid inquiry and i say- hamilton. what little we know from the covid inquiry and i say that- the covid inquiry and i say that because — the covid inquiry and i say that because we _ the covid inquiry and i say that because we are _ the covid inquiry and i say that because we are still— the covid inquiry and i say that because we are still missing. the covid inquiry and i say that. because we are still missing large amounts — because we are still missing large amounts of— because we are still missing large amounts of evidence _ because we are still missing large amounts of evidence from - because we are still missing large amounts of evidence from the - amounts of evidence from the deletion — amounts of evidence from the deletion of— amounts of evidence from the deletion of whatsapp - amounts of evidence from the . deletion of whatsapp messages amounts of evidence from the - deletion of whatsapp messages by yourself— deletion of whatsapp messages by yourself and — deletion of whatsapp messages by yourself and nicola _ deletion of whatsapp messages by yourself and nicola sturgeon - deletion of whatsapp messages by yourself and nicola sturgeon and l yourself and nicola sturgeon and other— yourself and nicola sturgeon and other people _ yourself and nicola sturgeon and other people. a _ yourself and nicola sturgeon and other people. a lot _ yourself and nicola sturgeon and other people. a lot of— yourself and nicola sturgeon and other people. a lot of it - yourself and nicola sturgeon and other people. a lot of it was - yourself and nicola sturgeon and i other people. a lot of it was made up other people. a lot of it was made up on _ other people. a lot of it was made up on the — other people. a lot of it was made up on the hoof -- _ other people. a lot of it was made up on the hoof —— alex _ up on the hoof —— alex cole—hamilton. - up on the hoof —— alex cole—hamilton. we - up on the hoof —— alex| cole—hamilton. we had up on the hoof —— alex . cole—hamilton. we had a up on the hoof —— alex _ cole—hamilton. we had a discussion about— cole—hamilton. we had a discussion about impact— cole—hamilton. we had a discussion about impact on— cole—hamilton. we had a discussion about impact on small— cole—hamilton. we had a discussion about impact on small businesses . cole—hamilton. we had a discussion| about impact on small businesses of business _ about impact on small businesses of business rates~ _ about impact on small businesses of business rates. small— about impact on small businesses of business rates. small businesses . business rates. small businesses struggled — business rates. small businesses struggled almost _ business rates. small businesses struggled almost more _ business rates. small businesses struggled almost more than - business rates. small businesses - struggled almost more than anywhere else in— struggled almost more than anywhere else in the _ struggled almost more than anywhere else in the country— struggled almost more than anywhere else in the country because _ struggled almost more than anywhere else in the country because we - else in the country because we locked — else in the country because we locked down— else in the country because we locked down harder— else in the country because we locked down harder and - else in the country because we . locked down harder and longer in this countrv _ locked down harder and longer in this country. and _ locked down harder and longer in this country. and sometimes- locked down harder and longer in - this country. and sometimes without scientific— this country. and sometimes without scientific reasoning _ this country. and sometimes without scientific reasoning behind _ this country. and sometimes without scientific reasoning behind that - this country. and sometimes without scientific reasoning behind that and i scientific reasoning behind that and sometimes — scientific reasoning behind that and sometimesiust_ scientific reasoning behind that and sometimesjust to _ scientific reasoning behind that and sometimes just to be _ scientific reasoning behind that and sometimes just to be seen - scientific reasoning behind that and sometimes just to be seen to - scientific reasoning behind that and sometimes just to be seen to be i sometimesjust to be seen to be doing _ sometimesjust to be seen to be doing things _ sometimesjust to be seen to be doing things different _ sometimesjust to be seen to be doing things different from - sometimes just to be seen to bei doing things different from boris. in doing things different from boris. in industry. — doing things different from boris. in industry, but— doing things different from boris. in industry, but equally— doing things different from boris. in industry, but equally taxi - in industry, but equally taxi drivers. _ in industry, but equally taxi drivers, small— in industry, but equally taxi drivers, small soul- in industry, but equally taxi drivers, small soul tradingi drivers, small soul trading operations. _ drivers, small soul trading operations, they- drivers, small soul trading operations, they are - drivers, small soul trading operations, they are still. drivers, small soul trading - operations, they are still counting the cost _ operations, they are still counting the cost of— operations, they are still counting the cost of that. _ operations, they are still counting the cost of that. there _ operations, they are still counting the cost of that. there are - operations, they are still counting the cost of that. there are not - the cost of that. there are not getting — the cost of that. there are not getting the _ the cost of that. there are not getting the help _ the cost of that. there are not getting the help of _ the cost of that. there are not getting the help of the - the cost of that. there are not getting the help of the parts l the cost of that. there are not| getting the help of the parts of the cost of that. there are not - getting the help of the parts of the uk are _ getting the help of the parts of the uk are and — getting the help of the parts of the uk are and they— getting the help of the parts of the uk are and they are _ getting the help of the parts of the uk are and they are looking - getting the help of the parts of the uk are and they are looking to- getting the help of the parts of the uk are and they are looking to you | uk are and they are looking to you for answers — uk are and they are looking to you for answers. pill— uk are and they are looking to you for answers-— for answers. all of the covid su- ort for answers. all of the covid sopport made _ for answers. all of the covid support made available - for answers. all of the covid support made available to i for answers. all of the covid| support made available to us for answers. all of the covid - support made available to us for business support in scotland was made available to businesses to relieve that burden. alex, i think you are going to quite dangerous territory here here and say we got them all right on covid. but what we did was look after the people of scotland. that was central to all of the decisions we made. . . ~ was central to all of the decisions we made. . . ,, . we made. can i take at the point about what— we made. can i take at the point about what is _ we made. can i take at the point about what is happening - we made. can i take at the point about what is happening in - we made. can i take at the point about what is happening in our. about what is happening in our schools? — about what is happening in our schools? john also has to be honest about _ schools? john also has to be honest about the _ schools? john also has to be honest about the decisions he made as education — about the decisions he made as education secretary when he shamefully attempted to downgrade the exam results of working—class children— the exam results of working—class children in— the exam results of working—class children in this city during the pandemic. i think it is also worth highlighting that this year alone, 173 teachers have lost theirjobs or places _ 173 teachers have lost theirjobs or places cut — 173 teachers have lost theirjobs or places cut in this city, a decision that you — places cut in this city, a decision that you made. and there are 10,000 children— that you made. and there are 10,000 children in— that you made. and there are 10,000 children in scotland in temporary accommodation with no home to call their own _ accommodation with no home to call their own and you cut the affordable homes _ their own and you cut the affordable homes budget by £200 million. so no lectures _ homes budget by £200 million. so no lectures on _ homes budget by £200 million. so no lectures on austerity from you, mr swinnevi — lectures on austerity from you, mr swinne ! �* . . lectures on austerity from you, mr swinne! �*, , lectures on austerity from you, mr swinne ! �*, , , ., lectures on austerity from you, mr swinne! �*, , ., . swinney! let's 'ust respond to that by looking... — swinney! let'sjust respond to that by looking... which _ swinney! let'sjust respond to that by looking... which pot _ swinney! let'sjust respond to that by looking... which pot was - swinney! let'sjust respond to that by looking... which pot was not i by looking... which pot was not true? the _ by looking... which pot was not true? the source _ by looking... which pot was not true? the source of _ by looking... which pot was not true? the source of all - by looking... which pot was not true? the source of all these i true? the source of all these arguments — true? the source of all these arguments the _ true? the source of all these arguments the comment - true? the source of all these arguments the comment by l true? the source of all these - arguments the comment by anas sarwar�*s colleague in the uk labour party that all funding roads lead back to london —— which part was not true? the austerity we are facing in scotland is a direct product of austerity cuts from the united kingdom government and anas sarwar is going to prolong those cuts within scotland if his party win the election. it is not being straight with the public. he signed up to fiscal rules that cut public spending by £18 billion. i can understand _ spending by £18 billion. i can understand why _ spending by £18 billion. i can understand why john - spending by £18 billion. i can understand why john wants l spending by £18 billion. i can | understand why john wants to spending by £18 billion. i can understand whyjohn wants to attack the labour— understand whyjohn wants to attack the labour party in this election. | the labour party in this election. i 'ust the labour party in this election. just want to the labour party in this election. i just want to spill the beans. i agree we have to get rid of this rotten— agree we have to get rid of this rotten tory government that has done so much _ rotten tory government that has done so much damage to the city so i don't _ so much damage to the city so i don't know— so much damage to the city so i don't know why you are so depressed by it _ don't know why you are so depressed by it in— don't know why you are so depressed by it in 23— don't know why you are so depressed by it. in 23 days' time, the tories could _ by it. in 23 days' time, the tories could be — by it. in 23 days' time, the tories could be gone if people vote labour and we _ could be gone if people vote labour and we can— could be gone if people vote labour and we can start changing our countrv — and we can start changing our count . , ., , ., , country. the problem, the tories mi . ht country. the problem, the tories miaht be country. the problem, the tories might be gone. _ country. the problem, the tories might be gone, but _ country. the problem, the tories might be gone, but they - country. the problem, the tories might be gone, but they will - country. the problem, the tories might be gone, but they will be i might be gone, but they will be replaced by an austerity wielding labour government of £18 billion worth of cuts. that is what is coming. worth of cuts. that is what is cominu. ., w worth of cuts. that is what is cominu. ,, , , worth of cuts. that is what is cominu. ., , , �* coming. stop, stop, stop. don't foruet coming. stop, stop, stop. don't forget you— coming. stop, stop, stop. don't forget you can _ coming. stop, stop, stop. don't forget you can join _ coming. stop, stop, stop. don't forget you can join in _ coming. stop, stop, stop. don't forget you can join in the - coming. stop, stop, stop. don't| forget you can join in the debate from home this evening. the hashtag, bbcdn. for anyone on social media, you can follow us: @bbcdebatenight. tonight, we are hearing from the leaders of five political parties, but we will also bring you interviews with other parties after this debate. let's go to our second question of the night about public services. it comes from anna mclintoc. good evening. my mother, who is 93, _ waited six hours for an ambulance and a further two hours outside - the hospital before being admitted. is our nhs broken beyond repair? thanks for sharing that with us, when was this and how was your mother? ~ . . , when was this and how was your mother? ~ , . , . when was this and how was your mother? ~ , ._ . , when was this and how was your mother? ~ , . , , ., mother? wednesday and she is not that areat. mother? wednesday and she is not that great. thank _ mother? wednesday and she is not that great. thank you _ mother? wednesday and she is not that great. thank you for _ mother? wednesday and she is not that great. thank you for being - mother? wednesday and she is not| that great. thank you for being with us toniuht that great. thank you for being with us tonight and _ that great. thank you for being with us tonight and sharing _ that great. thank you for being with us tonight and sharing that - that great. thank you for being with us tonight and sharing that story. i us tonight and sharing that story. public services, the nhs obviously is devolved to scotland. but the funding for it crucially begins in westminster, which is why we are discussing it this evening. douglas ross. discussing it this evening. douglas ross- anna. _ discussing it this evening. douglas ross. anna, i'm _ discussing it this evening. douglas ross. anna, i'm so _ discussing it this evening. douglas ross. anna, i'm so sorry - discussing it this evening. douglas ross. anna, i'm so sorry to - discussing it this evening. douglas ross. anna, i'm so sorry to hear. ross. anna, i'm so sorry to hear about the — ross. anna, i'm so sorry to hear about the experience _ ross. anna, i'm so sorry to hear about the experience your - ross. anna, i'm so sorry to hear about the experience your mum | ross. anna, i'm so sorry to hear- about the experience your mum has had and _ about the experience your mum has had and you — about the experience your mum has had and you have had as a family. but sadly. — had and you have had as a family. but sadly. it — had and you have had as a family. but sadly, it is replicated multiple times— but sadly, it is replicated multiple times in— but sadly, it is replicated multiple times in glasgow, across scotland, in every— times in glasgow, across scotland, in every part of the country that i io in every part of the country that i go to _ in every part of the country that i go to nhs — in every part of the country that i go to. nhs is devolved, it is an issue _ go to. nhs is devolved, it is an issue for— go to. nhs is devolved, it is an issue for the scottish government, but it— issue for the scottish government, but it is— issue for the scottish government, but it is the — issue for the scottish government, but it is the thing people are most passionate about on the doorsteps 'ust passionate about on the doorsteps just now — passionate about on the doorsteps just now. they are worried they cannot — just now. they are worried they cannot see _ just now. they are worried they cannot see a gp and people cannot -et cannot see a gp and people cannot get a _ cannot see a gp and people cannot get a gp_ cannot see a gp and people cannot get a gp appointment, some of them io get a gp appointment, some of them -o to get a gp appointment, some of them go to the _ get a gp appointment, some of them go to the hospital because they want to be seen— go to the hospital because they want to be seen there, the hospitals are overloaded — to be seen there, the hospitals are overloaded and people are then in an ambulance _ overloaded and people are then in an ambulance literally at the door of a hospital— ambulance literally at the door of a hospital and they cannot get in. there _ hospital and they cannot get in. there will— hospital and they cannot get in. there will be no criticism i don't think— there will be no criticism i don't think for— there will be no criticism i don't think for many one of our outstanding staff in the nhs. they io outstanding staff in the nhs. they go above — outstanding staff in the nhs. they go above and beyond day in and day out. . go above and beyond day in and day out. , , , out. these same -- the same problems exist south of — out. these same -- the same problems exist south of the _ out. these same -- the same problems exist south of the board _ out. these same -- the same problems exist south of the board as _ out. these same -- the same problems exist south of the board as well- out. these same -- the same problems exist south of the board as well and - exist south of the board as well and in wales. . . . exist south of the board as well and in wales. . , . ., in wales. that is what we often get from john swinney _ in wales. that is what we often get from john swinney and _ in wales. that is what we often get from john swinney and his - from john swinney and his predecessors, but that does not help anna's— predecessors, but that does not help anna's 93—year—old mother stuck outside _ anna's 93—year—old mother stuck outside a — anna's 93—year—old mother stuck outside a hospital here in glasgow. so we _ outside a hospital here in glasgow. so we have — outside a hospital here in glasgow. so we have to do something about it. how are _ so we have to do something about it. how are your— so we have to do something about it. how are your tax cuts going to help that, _ how are your tax cuts going to help that, douglas— how are your tax cuts going to help that, douglas christman _ how are your tax cuts going to help that, douglas christman i - how are your tax cuts going to help that, douglas christman i am - how are your tax cuts going to help| that, douglas christman i am happy to have _ that, douglas christman i am happy to have a _ that, douglas christman i am happy to have a discussion— that, douglas christman i am happy to have a discussion about - that, douglas christman i am happy to have a discussion about that - that, douglas christman i am happy to have a discussion about that and| to have a discussion about that and i to have a discussion about that and i would _ to have a discussion about that and i would like — to have a discussion about that and i would like a — to have a discussion about that and i would like a discussion— to have a discussion about that and i would like a discussion about - i would like a discussion about an 83-year-old _ i would like a discussion about an 83—year—old stuck outside - i would like a discussion about an 83—year—old stuck outside in an l 83—year—old stuck outside in an ambulance _ 83—year—old stuck outside in an ambulance outside a _ 83—year—old stuck outside in an. ambulance outside a hospital are not able to— ambulance outside a hospital are not able to get— ambulance outside a hospital are not able to get the care _ ambulance outside a hospital are not able to get the care she _ ambulance outside a hospital are not able to get the care she needs. - able to get the care she needs. another issue _ able to get the care she needs. another issue is _ able to get the care she needs. another issue is delayed - another issue is delayed discharge, so one hopes people get in hospital, they don't— so one hopes people get in hospital, they don't get the social care package _ they don't get the social care package to go back out into their own home — package to go back out into their own home and community. 's government promised to eradicate delaved _ government promised to eradicate delayed discharge completely, yet we still have _ delayed discharge completely, yet we still have record levels of delayed discharge. —— john's government. we have to _ discharge. —— john's government. we have to make sure people get into hospital— have to make sure people get into hospital in the first place and i see all— hospital in the first place and i see all of— hospital in the first place and i see all of the scotland too many shocking — see all of the scotland too many shocking reports of people unable to -et shocking reports of people unable to get inside a hospital to get the care they— get inside a hospital to get the care they need and stuck in hospitals —— stuck in ambulances and people cannot get them to hospital quickly— people cannot get them to hospital quickly enough. these issues have to be tackled, _ quickly enough. these issues have to be tackled, it is in the nhs and the social care — be tackled, it is in the nhs and the social care sector to get people out of hospital and recuperating at home quickly— of hospital and recuperating at home quickly as possible.— quickly as possible. labour's health spokesperson wes _ quickly as possible. labour's health spokesperson wes streeting - quickly as possible. labour's health spokesperson wes streeting says i spokesperson wes streeting says there will be no funding for the nhs without major surgery or reform involving weekend working, the use of the private sector to bring down waiting lists. is that what we are in store for here in scotland as well, anas sarwar? there will be an immediate injection into the nhs because we will close the non—dom loophole. he into the nhs because we will close the non-dom loophole.— into the nhs because we will close the non-dom loophole. he says there is conditional on _ the non-dom loophole. he says there is conditional on change in _ the non-dom loophole. he says there is conditional on change in the nhs. | is conditional on change in the nhs. health is fully devolved in scotland so it is our decision on what budget is set, how it operates and how it is set, how it operates and how it is managed. it outcomes are the responsibility of the scottish government. d0 responsibility of the scottish government.— responsibility of the scottish government. , ., ,, , government. do you think there needs to be reborn in — government. do you think there needs to be reborn in scotland? absolutely i to be reborn in scotland? absolutely because there _ to be reborn in scotland? absolutely because there has _ to be reborn in scotland? absolutely because there has been _ to be reborn in scotland? absolutely because there has been no proper i because there has been no proper workforce plan, no investment in the technology are the future. of a 5.5 million population, we have 50 boards, which is to management heavy. can i say directly to anna, your story is tragic but sadly we hear those stories every single day. just in the last few months alone, i have had people tell me how they have had people tell me how they have had to remortgage their home in order to pay for a hip replacement because they had to wait too long on the national health service. a mum told me she had to pay £5,000 to take a young child to london to get a mental health diagnosis, having waited two years for scotland's nhs to give her child health diagnosis. that is the tragedy on the watch of the snp. i believe in the nhs, i graduated in this very hall as a dentist. my firstjob was in the nhs as a dentist in paisley, one of the most deprived communities in our country and i believe in the nhs trust in it, i want to rebuild our nhs. labour created it, we saved and on the ofjuly, on their birthday of the nhs, we will start the process of changing it again. that is first with a cash injection closing the non—dom tax loopholes and the 2—step process of change, where we change the snp government and have a focus on fixing scotland' nhs, not having one in six scots languishing on an nhs waiting list. john one in six scots languishing on an nhs waiting list.— nhs waiting list. john swinney? the first thin i nhs waiting list. john swinney? the first thing i want to _ nhs waiting list. john swinney? the first thing i want to say directly - first thing i want to say directly to anna — first thing i want to say directly to anna i_ first thing i want to say directly to anna. i am very sorry your mum had that— to anna. i am very sorry your mum had that experience and it should not be _ had that experience and it should not be the case. but i also have to acknowledge the health services under— acknowledge the health services under acute pressure as a consequence of the demand that has increased for the use of the health service _ increased for the use of the health service. also because of one of the issues douglas ross rays, delayed discharges, where we are unable to -et discharges, where we are unable to get people out of hospital back into the community because staff are not available _ the community because staff are not available to provide the care packages within the community. we have very— packages within the community. we have very low unemployment in scotland — have very low unemployment in scotland today. one of the issues we are wrestling with is the falling population because of people who came _ population because of people who came to this country before brexit, who have left the country as a consequence.— consequence. there is no overall vision for the _ consequence. there is no overall vision for the nhs, what - consequence. there is no overall vision for the nhs, what is - consequence. there is no overall vision for the nhs, what is your. vision for the nhs, what is your vision? ~ , vision for the nhs, what is your vision? y , ., vision for the nhs, what is your vision? g , ., , ., .~ vision? my vision is to make sure the nhs delivers _ vision? my vision is to make sure the nhs delivers on the - vision? my vision is to make sure the nhs delivers on the needs of| the nhs delivers on the needs of people _ the nhs delivers on the needs of people within their communities. you have had 17 years. the _ people within their communities. you have had 17 years. the issues we - people within their communities. you have had 17 years. the issues we are | have had 17 years. the issues we are wrestlin: have had 17 years. the issues we are wrestling with are _ have had 17 years. the issues we are wrestling with are a combination - wrestling with are a combination of the challenges of not having enough staff with the system. staff levels in the _ staff with the system. staff levels in the nhs are at record levels, funding — in the nhs are at record levels, funding and the nhs is at record levels. _ funding and the nhs is at record levels. it— funding and the nhs is at record levels, it now accords for a greater proportion— levels, it now accords for a greater proportion of the scottishscottish government's budget. we were prepared — government's budget. we were prepared to increase taxes on higher earners _ prepared to increase taxes on higher earners in _ prepared to increase taxes on higher earners in scotland to make sure we could _ earners in scotland to make sure we could invest — earners in scotland to make sure we could invest more in the nhs. anas sarwar— could invest more in the nhs. anas sarwar talked about the proposal by the labour— sarwar talked about the proposal by the labour party. the number i had seen _ the labour party. the number i had seen for— the labour party. the number i had seen for the — the labour party. the number i had seen for the proposed investment in the nhs _ seen for the proposed investment in the nhs in _ seen for the proposed investment in the nhs in the first year in which a labour— the nhs in the first year in which a labour government would be in office is less. _ labour government would be in office is less. less _ labour government would be in office is less, less than what the conservatives allocated to us in the last financial year. that shows you that the _ last financial year. that shows you that the labour party is not committed to delivering the type of investment to end austerity, which is what _ investment to end austerity, which is what is _ investment to end austerity, which is what is required in this country. alex _ is what is required in this country. alex cole—hamilton? | is what is required in this country. alex cole-hamilton?— alex cole-hamilton? i am really sorry about _ alex cole-hamilton? i am really sorry about your _ alex cole-hamilton? i am really sorry about your mum, - alex cole-hamilton? i am really sorry about your mum, an - alex cole-hamilton? i am really sorry about your mum, an hour. | sorry about your mum, an hour. unfortunately, her story is all too common. i raised withjohn swinney�*s predecessor last year the case of a nurse called catherine who waited on the floor of her home for eight hours for an ambulance and she had given 1;0 years of her life to the nhs. it is hard to get access to a gp at the first time of asking as well. i met a woman who had to phone her surgery 200 times when the lines opened at 8.30 in the morning only to be told she wouldn't be seen for three months. taste to be told she wouldn't be seen for three months.— to be told she wouldn't be seen for three months. ~ ,, ., , ., , , three months. we know the problems but how do you _ three months. we know the problems but how do you fix _ three months. we know the problems but how do you fix them? _ three months. we know the problems but how do you fix them? the - but how do you fix them? the solution to — but how do you fix them? the solution to this, _ but how do you fix them? the solution to this, one - but how do you fix them? tie: solution to this, one in four but how do you fix them? ti9: solution to this, one in four gp appointments are related to mental ill—health. it is an absolute fact. we all know that after lockdown in particular, particularly among young people, that we actually have a mental health crisis. if your daughter fell off her mental health crisis. if your daughterfell off her bike mental health crisis. if your daughter fell off her bike and broke her arm she would be in a plaster by the end of the day but if she comes to you with a mental health problem... to you with a mental health problem- - -_ to you with a mental health problem... to you with a mental health roblem... :, :, m problem... how do we fix it? we treble the _ problem. .. how do we fix it? we treble the digital— problem... how do we fix it? we treble the digital service - problem... how do we fix it? we treble the digital service tax, - problem... how do we fix it? we treble the digital service tax, tax paid by the social media giants, by facebook, instagram, snapchat. we can all accept a lot of their mental health crisis in our young people is caused by the toxicity of the ecosystem is created by those social media giants. we believe it is time for them to play. we were type of the kate, we would take that money, that trebled tax, which would see hundreds of millions of plans an investor in world—class services here so your children can get access to healing from the harm. hang here so your children can get access to healing from the harm.— here so your children can get access to healing from the harm. hang on a second, i to healing from the harm. hang on a second. lwill— to healing from the harm. hang on a second, i will come _ to healing from the harm. hang on a second, i will come to _ to healing from the harm. hang on a second, i will come to you _ to healing from the harm. hang on a second, i will come to you in - to healing from the harm. hang on a second, i will come to you in a - second, i will come to you in a second, i will come to you in a second, lorna. so many hands up in the audience, the lady in the red glasses? the audience, the lady in the red classes? ~ . the audience, the lady in the red classes? ~ , _, , glasses? within this country, scotland locks _ glasses? within this country, scotland locks up _ glasses? within this country, scotland locks up more - glasses? within this country, | scotland locks up more people glasses? within this country, - scotland locks up more people per head of— scotland locks up more people per head of population _ scotland locks up more people per head of population than _ scotland locks up more people per head of population than any - scotland locks up more people per head of population than any otheri head of population than any other western— head of population than any other western european— head of population than any other western european country. - head of population than any other. western european country. between 25-50% — western european country. between 25-50% of _ western european country. between 25-50% of those — western european country. between 25—50% of those locked _ western european country. between 25—50% of those locked up - western european country. between 25—50% of those locked up come - western european country. between i 25—50% of those locked up come from a care _ 25—50% of those locked up come from a care background. i— 25—50% of those locked up come from a care background. i was in _ 25—50% of those locked up come from a care background. i was in care - 25—50% of those locked up come from a care background. i was in care 50 i a care background. i was in care 50 years— a care background. i was in care 50 years ago — a care background. i was in care 50 years ago it is_ a care background. i was in care 50 years ago. it is absolutely - years ago. it is absolutely disgusting _ years ago. it is absolutely disgusting the _ years ago. it is absolutely disgusting the way- years ago. it is absolutely disgusting the way the - disgusting the way the politicians are treating — disgusting the way the politicians are treating this _ disgusting the way the politicians are treating this community- disgusting the way the politicians are treating this community and. are treating this community and society — are treating this community and society i— are treating this community and society iask_ are treating this community and society. i ask all of— are treating this community and society. i ask all of you, - are treating this community and society. i ask all of you, if - are treating this community and society. i ask all of you, if you l society. i ask all of you, if you -et society. i ask all of you, if you get into— society. i ask all of you, if you get into power. _ society. i ask all of you, if you get into power, will you - society. i ask all of you, if you get into power, will you come| society. i ask all of you, if you - get into power, will you come within the equality act, _ get into power, will you come within the equality act, allow— get into power, will you come within the equality act, allow care - the equality act, allow care experience _ the equality act, allow care experience people - the equality act, allow care experience people to - the equality act, allow care experience people to be i the equality act, allow care experience people to be a. the equality act, allow care - experience people to be a protected characteristic— experience people to be a protected characteristic within _ experience people to be a protected characteristic within that _ experience people to be a protected characteristic within that act - characteristic within that act because _ characteristic within that act because this _ characteristic within that act because this is _ characteristic within that act because this is shocking? . characteristic within that act. because this is shocking? we'll characteristic within that act - because this is shocking? we'll are all supp°53d~~~ _ because this is shocking? we'll are all supposed... shame _ because this is shocking? we'll are all supposed... shame on - because this is shocking? we'll are all supposed... shame on the - because this is shocking? we'll are all supposed... shame on the lot. because this is shocking? we'll are| all supposed... shame on the lot of you _ all supposed... shame on the lot of ou. . ~' all supposed... shame on the lot of ou. ., ~ , ., all supposed... shame on the lot of ou. . ~ , ., . you. thank you. the man with the beard in the _ you. thank you. the man with the beard in the middle. _ beard in the middle. thank you. we have had a number of times— thank you. we have had a number of times about — thank you. we have had a number of times about free _ thank you. we have had a number of times about free prescriptions. - thank you. we have had a number of times about free prescriptions. i- thank you. we have had a number of times about free prescriptions. i ami times about free prescriptions. i am a community— times about free prescriptions. i am a community pharmacy _ times about free prescriptions. i am a community pharmacy owner - times about free prescriptions. i am a community pharmacy owner in - times about free prescriptions. i ami a community pharmacy owner in the south _ a community pharmacy owner in the south of— a community pharmacy owner in the south of scotland _ a community pharmacy owner in the south of scotland and _ a community pharmacy owner in the south of scotland and am _ a community pharmacy owner in the south of scotland and am genuinely| south of scotland and am genuinely worried _ south of scotland and am genuinely worried for— south of scotland and am genuinely worried for the _ south of scotland and am genuinely worried for the future _ south of scotland and am genuinely worried for the future of community pharmacy — worried for the future of community pharmacy. when _ worried for the future of community pharmacy. when there _ worried for the future of community pharmacy. when there was - worried for the future of community pharmacy. when there was covid, l pharmacy. when there was covid, there _ pharmacy. when there was covid, there were — pharmacy. when there was covid, there were two _ pharmacy. when there was covid, there were two places _ pharmacy. when there was covid, there were two places open, - pharmacy. when there was covid, i there were two places open, where you could _ there were two places open, where you could buy— there were two places open, where you could buy food _ there were two places open, where you could buy food or— there were two places open, where you could buy food or by _ there were two places open, where you could buy food or by medicine. | you could buy food or by medicine. we were _ you could buy food or by medicine. we were the — you could buy food or by medicine. we were the only _ you could buy food or by medicine. we were the only readily _ you could buy food or by medicine. we were the only readily available | we were the only readily available health— we were the only readily available health care — we were the only readily available health care service _ we were the only readily available health care service and _ we were the only readily available health care service and now - we were the only readily available health care service and now it's i health care service and now it's like we — health care service and now it's like we don't _ health care service and now it's like we don't exist. _ health care service and now it's like we don't exist. every- health care service and now it's like we don't exist. every day l health care service and now it's like we don't exist. every day i | health care service and now it's i like we don't exist. every day i am seeing _ like we don't exist. every day i am seeing drug — like we don't exist. every day i am seeing drug shortages, _ like we don't exist. every day i am seeing drug shortages, people - like we don't exist. every day i am - seeing drug shortages, people unable to access _ seeing drug shortages, people unable to access medicines _ seeing drug shortages, people unable to access medicines and _ seeing drug shortages, people unable to access medicines and yet _ seeing drug shortages, people unable to access medicines and yet year- to access medicines and yet year uboh _ to access medicines and yet year upon year. — to access medicines and yet year upon year. even— to access medicines and yet year upon year, even now, _ to access medicines and yet year upon year, even now, we - to access medicines and yet year upon year, even now, we don't. to access medicines and yet year- upon year, even now, we don't have a contract _ upon year, even now, we don't have a contract with — upon year, even now, we don't have a contract with the _ upon year, even now, we don't have a contract with the scottish _ contract with the scottish government— contract with the scottish government to _ contract with the scottish government to be - contract with the scottish government to be able . contract with the scottishi government to be able to contract with the scottish - government to be able to pay for contract with the scottish _ government to be able to pay for the medicines that — government to be able to pay for the medicines that people _ government to be able to pay for the medicines that people need. - government to be able to pay for the medicines that people need. when . medicines that people need. when will medicines that people need. when witt this— medicines that people need. when will this get — medicines that people need. when will this get resolved _ medicines that people need. when will this get resolved and - medicines that people need. when will this get resolved and how? - medicines that people need. whenl will this get resolved and how? one more, the will this get resolved and how? one more. the lady _ will this get resolved and how? more, the lady with the glasses in the third row? i am the mum of a schoolchild and i represent many glasgow parents across education. this is directed tojohn swinney and i want a direct answer because glasgow parents and scottish parents in education are sick of you passing the buck. we are sick of you passing the buck. we are sick of you passing the buck. we are sick of hearing is westminster�*s fault education is in crisis, sick of hearing what labour would do what the tories would do. we want to know how you and your party are going to fix what is happening in education right now i make sure every child's needs are met.— needs are met. applause that a devolved _ needs are met. applause that a devolved issue. - needs are met. applause' that a devolved issue. john needs are met. applause _ that a devolved issue. john swinney? that a devolved issue. john swinney? it is absolutely vital that every chitd's — it is absolutely vital that every child's needs within the education system _ child's needs within the education system are met. we are seeing a rising — system are met. we are seeing a rising number of staff working with additional— rising number of staff working with additional support needs, for example, which is necessary because of the _ example, which is necessary because of the rising — example, which is necessary because of the rising presence of additional support— of the rising presence of additional support needs within our community. we also _ support needs within our community. we also run. — support needs within our community. we also run, we are providing in relation — we also run, we are providing in relation to— we also run, we are providing in relation to teacher numbers, £145 million _ relation to teacher numbers, £145 million directly to local authorities to protect teacher numbers— authorities to protect teacher numbers within our schools. there is £145 mittion. — numbers within our schools. there is £145 million, anas, on the table. if the labour— £145 million, anas, on the table. if the labour budget in glasgow city has been — the labour budget in glasgow city has been taken for... stop passing the buck! has been taken for. .. stop passing the buck! i— has been taken for... stop passing the buck! i am _ has been taken for... stop passing the buck! i am pointing _ has been taken for... stop passing the buck! i am pointing out - has been taken for. .. stop passing the buck! i am pointing out if- the buck! i am pointing out if the labour party _ the buck! i am pointing out if the labour party was _ the buck! i am pointing out if the labour party was running - the buck! i am pointing out if the | labour party was running glasgow city council, teacher numbers would have fatten — city council, teacher numbers would have fallen by 600. that is what the labour _ have fallen by 600. that is what the labour party... | have fallen by 600. that is what the labour party- - -_ labour party... i asked you not to do this. labour party... i asked you not to do this- i — labour party... i asked you not to do this. i need _ labour party... i asked you not to do this. i need to _ labour party... i asked you not to do this. i need to give _ labour party... i asked you not to do this. i need to give lorna - labour party... i asked you not to | do this. i need to give lorna slater a chance to — do this. i need to give lorna slater a chance to answer _ do this. i need to give lorna slater a chance to answer the _ do this. i need to give lorna slater a chance to answer the original- a chance to answer the original question. i a chance to answer the original cuestion. ., a chance to answer the original cuestion. . , . ., . ., question. i hear frustration around the room not _ question. i hear frustration around the room notjust_ question. i hear frustration around the room notjust about _ question. i hear frustration around the room notjust about your- question. i hear frustration around the room notjust about your mum question. i hear frustration around - the room notjust about your mum and that hospital wait but public services in general, support for people who are struggling in our society. it has been well canvassed on this platform about the block grant and how that is fixed. having recently served in the scottish government, i can tell you that that fixed sum of money that we get from westminster makes you make impossible positions. when that is shrunk, it puts politicians having to do the impossible, spread money further than it can possibly go. that is because of choices made at westminster. that austerity, that cutting taxes for the wealthy means you have to cut to the bone and cut again and again and that's what you are going to hear. you again and again and that's what you are going to hear.— are going to hear. you hear this aaain are going to hear. you hear this again and _ are going to hear. you hear this again and again _ are going to hear. you hear this again and again from _ are going to hear. you hear this again and again from audiences| are going to hear. you hear this - again and again from audiences that nothing is working when it comes to public services is that you have been part of the government for over two years, where is your responsibility?— two years, where is your resonsibili ? ., , , , . responsibility? that is because what ou will responsibility? that is because what you will hear— responsibility? that is because what you will hear from _ responsibility? that is because what you will hear from douglas - responsibility? that is because what you will hear from douglas ross is l you will hear from douglas ross is cuts. he will cut taxes and immigration. their vision is small. the different vision, the way we change this is to create a new vision for the country. a country very different scotland. i would say thatis very different scotland. i would say that is an independent scotland, where we can make different choices, where we can make different choices, where we can make different choices, where we are not tied to parties at westminster who send us this little packet of money and go you have to do everything with this tiny packet of money. when we are so restricted that the only tax we can vary is income tax. that is tax on your work. it would be much better to be able to tax... work. it would be much better to be able to tax- - -_ able to tax... you are the first erson able to tax... you are the first person to _ able to tax... you are the first person to mention _ able to tax... you are the first person to mention the - able to tax... you are the first person to mention the letter. able to tax... you are the first person to mention the letter i | able to tax... you are the first - person to mention the letter i word this evening. douglas ross? lorna slater, this evening. douglas ross? lorna slater. first _ this evening. douglas ross? lorna slater. first of— this evening. douglas ross? lorna slater, first of all, _ this evening. douglas ross? lorna slater, first of all, it's _ this evening. douglas ross? lorna slater, first of all, it's not - this evening. douglas ross? lorna slater, first of all, it's not a - slater, first of all, it's not a tiny— slater, first of all, it's not a tiny package of money but the biggest — tiny package of money but the biggest block grant going from the uk government to the scottish government. we had about an hour and talking _ government. we had about an hour and talking about her mum in the huge city of— talking about her mum in the huge city of glasgow. i raised with john swinney— city of glasgow. i raised with john swinney the case of a woman who was severely _ swinney the case of a woman who was severely ill— swinney the case of a woman who was severely ill on the isle of skye who couldn't— severely ill on the isle of skye who couldn't get taken to the local hospital— couldn't get taken to the local hospital because the doors were locked — hospital because the doors were locked~ i— hospital because the doors were locked. i have many constituents who risked _ locked. i have many constituents who risked giving birth on the side of the a9— risked giving birth on the side of the a9 or— risked giving birth on the side of the a9 or a96. the problems are in rural— the a9 or a96. the problems are in rural and _ the a9 or a96. the problems are in rural and on— the a9 or a96. the problems are in rural and on education, i have asked the same _ rural and on education, i have asked the same question tojohn swinney multiple _ the same question tojohn swinney multiple times and we don't get a straight _ multiple times and we don't get a straight answer. he was education secretary— straight answer. he was education secretary in scotland when our international comparison with the rest of— international comparison with the rest of the — international comparison with the rest of the world plummeted down international comparisons. we have less teachers now than we did just a couple _ less teachers now than we did just a couple of— less teachers now than we did just a couple of years ago. for the last two years— couple of years ago. for the last two years under the snp, teacher numbers— two years under the snp, teacher numbers have fallen. i have a five—year—old who is starting school in august _ five—year—old who is starting school in august and i hope he gets as good an education as i got but the opportunities for our young people and our— opportunities for our young people and our young children are being limited _ and our young children are being limited by— and our young children are being limited by decisions that john has taken. _ limited by decisions that john has taken, both now as first minister and for— taken, both now as first minister and for the — taken, both now as first minister and for the last 17 years in government and that is not good enough — government and that is not good enou . h. ., government and that is not good enou:h. ., . government and that is not good enou.h_ ., ., , ., government and that is not good enou. h, ., ., , ., ., government and that is not good enouuh. ., ., , ., ., , enough. you are standing for this. john, enough. you are standing for this. john. answer— enough. you are standing for this. john, answer the _ enough. you are standing for this. john, answer the question. - enough. you are standing for this. john, answer the question. this i john, answer the question. this relates to _ john, answer the question. this relates to the _ john, answer the question. this relates to the issue _ john, answer the question. this relates to the issue of - john, answer the question. this relates to the issue of austerity i've relates to the issue of austerity i've been— relates to the issue of austerity i've been raising... it relates to the issue of austerity i've been raising...— i've been raising... it relates to education- _ i've been raising... it relates to education. it _ i've been raising... it relates to education. it relates _ i've been raising... it relates to education. it relates to - i've been raising... it relates to i education. it relates to education but education _ education. it relates to education but education has _ education. it relates to education but education has to _ education. it relates to education but education has to be - education. it relates to education but education has to be paid - education. it relates to education but education has to be paid for. | but education has to be paid for. there _ but education has to be paid for. there is— but education has to be paid for. there is a — but education has to be paid for. there is a fixed sum of money that is available — there is a fixed sum of money that is available to the scottish government. we have expanded that. we took— government. we have expanded that. we took the tough decisions to increase — we took the tough decisions to increase tax to make more resources available _ increase tax to make more resources available to _ increase tax to make more resources available to invest in our public services — available to invest in our public services because we were so concerned about the levels of public funding _ concerned about the levels of public funding. but what this election is about— funding. but what this election is about is— funding. but what this election is about is the fact that at the heart of the _ about is the fact that at the heart of the conservative and the labour campaigns— of the conservative and the labour campaigns is a determination to people — campaigns is a determination to people austerity going because they have signed up to their fiscal discipline that they both share. look— discipline that they both share. look at— discipline that they both share. look at the reaction! that discipline that they both share. look at the reaction!— discipline that they both share. look at the reaction! that is the reali of look at the reaction! that is the reality of what _ look at the reaction! that is the reality of what people _ look at the reaction! that is the reality of what people face - look at the reaction! that is the l reality of what people face in this election. — reality of what people face in this election, austerity from the tories and the _ election, austerity from the tories and the labour party.— election, austerity from the tories and the labour party. anas sarwar? let me set — and the labour party. anas sarwar? let me set directly _ and the labour party. anas sarwar? let me set directly and _ and the labour party. anas sarwar? let me set directly and read - and the labour party. anas sarwar? let me set directly and read my - let me set directly and read my lips. _ let me set directly and read my lips. no— let me set directly and read my lips, no austerity _ let me set directly and read my lips, no austerity and _ let me set directly and read my lips, no austerity and are - let me set directly and read my. lips, no austerity and are labour. where _ lips, no austerity and are labour. where are — lips, no austerity and are labour. where are you _ lips, no austerity and are labour. where are you going _ lips, no austerity and are labour. where are you going to _ lips, no austerity and are labour. where are you going to get - lips, no austerity and are labour. where are you going to get the l where are you going to get the money? where are you going to get the mone ? �* . , where are you going to get the mone ? . , , . . ., money? austerity damaged our count . money? austerity damaged our country- for — money? austerity damaged our country. for once, _ money? austerity damaged our country. for once, take - country. for once, take responsibility— country. for once, take responsibility for- country. for once, take responsibility for that l country. for once, take . responsibility for that you country. for once, take - responsibility for that you have done _ responsibility for that you have done a — responsibility for that you have done a lot— responsibility for that you have done a lot of— responsibility for that you have done a lot of shouting - responsibility for that you have done a lot of shouting today... j done a lot of shouting today... let him make done a lot of shouting today... him make his point. done a lot of shouting today. .. let him make his point. i— done a lot of shouting today. .. let him make his point. i will- done a lot of shouting today. .. let him make his point. i will not- him make his point. i will not disatree him make his point. i will not disagree with _ him make his point. i will not disagree with you _ him make his point. i will not disagree with you when - him make his point. i will not disagree with you when it - him make his point. i will not. disagree with you when it comes him make his point. i will not- disagree with you when it comes to the state _ disagree with you when it comes to the state of— disagree with you when it comes to the state of the _ disagree with you when it comes to the state of the carnage _ disagree with you when it comes to the state of the carnage that the i the state of the carnage that the conservatives _ the state of the carnage that the conservatives imposed - the state of the carnage that the conservatives imposed on- the state of the carnage that the conservatives imposed on this . conservatives imposed on this country— conservatives imposed on this country and _ conservatives imposed on this country and the _ conservatives imposed on this country and the state - conservatives imposed on this country and the state of - conservatives imposed on this country and the state of the l conservatives imposed on this - country and the state of the public finances. — country and the state of the public finances. 0n— country and the state of the public finances. on that, _ country and the state of the public finances. on that, we _ country and the state of the public finances. on that, we should - country and the state of the public finances. on that, we should havej country and the state of the public i finances. on that, we should have no disagreement. — finances. on that, we should have no disagreement. in— finances. on that, we should have no disagreement. in 23 _ finances. on that, we should have no disagreement. in 23 days' _ finances. on that, we should have no disagreement. in 23 days' time, - disagreement. in 23 days' time, therefore. — disagreement. in 23 days' time, therefore, that— disagreement. in 23 days' time, therefore, that choice _ disagreement. in 23 days' time, therefore, that choice people i disagreement. in 23 days' time, i therefore, that choice people have is they— therefore, that choice people have is they can — therefore, that choice people have is they can wake _ therefore, that choice people have is they can wake up _ therefore, that choice people have is they can wake up to _ therefore, that choice people have is they can wake up to five - therefore, that choice people have is they can wake up to five more . is they can wake up to five more years— is they can wake up to five more years of— is they can wake up to five more years of rishi _ is they can wake up to five more years of rishi sunak, _ is they can wake up to five more years of rishi sunak, liz- is they can wake up to five more years of rishi sunak, liz truss, i years of rishi sunak, liz truss, suella — years of rishi sunak, liz truss, suella braverman, _ years of rishi sunak, liz truss, suella braverman, jacob - years of rishi sunak, liz truss, - suella braverman, jacob rees—mogg we can get— suella braverman, jacob rees—mogg we can get rid _ suella braverman, jacob rees—mogg we can get rid of— suella braverman, jacob rees—mogg we can get rid of the — suella braverman, jacob rees—mogg we can get rid of the lot _ suella braverman, jacob rees—mogg we can get rid of the lot of— suella braverman, jacob rees—mogg we can get rid of the lot of them _ suella braverman, jacob rees—mogg we can get rid of the lot of them and - can get rid of the lot of them and elect _ can get rid of the lot of them and elect a _ can get rid of the lot of them and elect a labour— can get rid of the lot of them and elect a labour government - can get rid of the lot of them and - elect a labour government oppresses country— elect a labour government oppresses country so — elect a labour government oppresses country so we _ elect a labour government oppresses country so we can — elect a labour government oppresses country so we can start _ elect a labour government oppresses country so we can start that - elect a labour government oppresses country so we can start that process i country so we can start that process for change _ country so we can start that process for change and — country so we can start that process for change and inject _ country so we can start that process for change and inject more - country so we can start that process for change and inject more money. for change and inject more money into this... — for change and inject more money into this... but— for change and in'ect more money into this. . ._ for change and in'ect more money into this. . .h let him | into this... but he is a... let him respond- — into this... but he is a... let him respond- why — into this... but he is a... let him respond. why don't _ into this... but he is a... let him respond. why don't you - into this... but he is a... let him respond. why don't you want - respond. why don't you want £10 billion? there _ respond. why don't you want £10 billion? there is _ respond. why don't you want £10 billion? there is independent - billion? there is independent anal sis billion? there is independent analysis that _ billion? there is independent analysis that you _ billion? there is independent analysis that you have - billion? there is independent analysis that you have been l analysis that you have been rubbishing today. you have been publishing independent analysis from the institute for fiscal studies, the institute for fiscal studies, the institute for government and the joseph rowntree foundation on which says the labour government will have to deliver £18 billion worth of cuts in line with what the tories are planning and that will devastate public services. taste planning and that will devastate public services.— planning and that will devastate public services. we have already one public services. we have already gone over— public services. we have already gone over this _ public services. we have already gone over this ground. - public services. we have already gone over this ground. before i public services. we have already| gone over this ground. before we moved on here this evening, douglas ross, you mentioned your little one. maybe seeing a bit more review timewise moving on from now because you are making history at the moment as the first party leader to step down during an election campaign. why should anyone in scotland voted for a party you don't even want to lead? i for a party you don't even want to lead? . ., _ . for a party you don't even want to lead? . ., . , ., ., lead? i have to say, that is one of the benefits _ lead? i have to say, that is one of the benefits of _ lead? i have to say, that is one of the benefits of my _ lead? i have to say, that is one of the benefits of my decision, - lead? i have to say, that is one of l the benefits of my decision, getting to see _ the benefits of my decision, getting to see my— the benefits of my decision, getting to see my children. i have done this 'ob to see my children. i have done this job now— to see my children. i have done this job now for— to see my children. i have done this job now for four years and one of the things— job now for four years and one of the things i— job now for four years and one of the things i think we can all agree it has— the things i think we can all agree it has a _ the things i think we can all agree it has a huge impact on our families. _ it has a huge impact on our families. so whatever happens to me in the _ families. so whatever happens to me in the years— families. so whatever happens to me in the years ahead, i'm very proud to be _ in the years ahead, i'm very proud to be able — in the years ahead, i'm very proud to be able to — in the years ahead, i'm very proud to be able to spend a bit more time with my— to be able to spend a bit more time with my very loving family, my wife and our— with my very loving family, my wife and our two — with my very loving family, my wife and our two boys. in terms of your question— and our two boys. in terms of your question about why people should vote for— question about why people should vote for the scottish conservatives, said at _ vote for the scottish conservatives, said at the — vote for the scottish conservatives, said at the beginning, this election is an opportunity to send a very clear— is an opportunity to send a very clear message and in key seats up and down — clear message and in key seats up and down the country there is an opportunity to send a message to john swinney, who cannot answer questions — john swinney, who cannot answer questions about education and our young _ questions about education and our young people, tries to absolve himself— young people, tries to absolve himself of blame for the situation people _ himself of blame for the situation people are facing outside our a&es. you can— people are facing outside our a&es. you can shake your head as much as you want— you can shake your head as much as you want but— you can shake your head as much as you want but in seats up and down the country. — you want but in seats up and down the country, there is an opportunity to unite _ the country, there is an opportunity to unite behind the scottish conservatives, to get someone focused _ conservatives, to get someone focused on the issues that really matter— focused on the issues that really matter to — focused on the issues that really matter to you. focused on the issues that really matter to yon-— matter to you. that is in your 0 -tenin matter to you. that is in your opening statement. - matter to you. that is in your opening statement. alex - opening statement. alex cole—hamilton? the audience reaction tells you everything _ the audience reaction tells you everything about— the audience reaction tells you everything about that - the audience reaction tells you. everything about that exchange. the audience reaction tells you - everything about that exchange. this is what _ everything about that exchange. this is what has _ everything about that exchange. this is what has held _ everything about that exchange. this is what has held our— everything about that exchange. this is what has held our country- everything about that exchange. this is what has held our country back, i is what has held our country back, two parties — is what has held our country back, two parties in _ is what has held our country back, two parties in power— is what has held our country back, two parties in power for— is what has held our country back, two parties in power for too - is what has held our country back, two parties in power for too long i two parties in power for too long bickering — two parties in power for too long bickering about— two parties in power for too long bickering about who _ two parties in power for too long bickering about who is _ two parties in power for too long i bickering about who is responsible for the _ bickering about who is responsible for the fact— bickering about who is responsible for the fact you _ bickering about who is responsible for the fact you cannot _ bickering about who is responsible for the fact you cannot see - bickering about who is responsible for the fact you cannot see a - bickering about who is responsible for the fact you cannot see a gp. bickering about who is responsible for the fact you cannot see a gp at the first— for the fact you cannot see a gp at the first time _ for the fact you cannot see a gp at the first time of— for the fact you cannot see a gp at the first time of asking, _ for the fact you cannot see a gp at the first time of asking, many- the first time of asking, many people — the first time of asking, many people are _ the first time of asking, many people are buying _ the first time of asking, many people are buying tools - the first time of asking, many people are buying tools to - the first time of asking, many people are buying tools to do| the first time of asking, many- people are buying tools to do dental work because — people are buying tools to do dental work because they _ people are buying tools to do dental work because they cannot _ people are buying tools to do dental work because they cannot see - people are buying tools to do dental work because they cannot see an . people are buying tools to do dental. work because they cannot see an nhs dentist— work because they cannot see an nhs dentist in— work because they cannot see an nhs dentist in the — work because they cannot see an nhs dentist in the locality. _ work because they cannot see an nhs dentist in the locality. there - work because they cannot see an nhs dentist in the locality. there is - dentist in the locality. there is violence — dentist in the locality. there is violence in _ dentist in the locality. there is violence in schools _ dentist in the locality. there is violence in schools which - dentist in the locality. there is| violence in schools which didn't used _ violence in schools which didn't used to— violence in schools which didn't used to be _ violence in schools which didn't used to be a _ violence in schools which didn't used to be a thing _ violence in schools which didn't used to be a thing and - violence in schools which didn't used to be a thing and is- violence in schools which didn't . used to be a thing and is harming the education _ used to be a thing and is harming the education of _ used to be a thing and is harming the education of children. - used to be a thing and is harming the education of children. the - used to be a thing and is harmingi the education of children. the fact there _ the education of children. the fact there is— the education of children. the fact there is sewage _ the education of children. the fact there is sewage in _ the education of children. the fact there is sewage in our— the education of children. the fact there is sewage in our rivers. - the education of children. the fact there is sewage in our rivers. or. the education of children. the fact. there is sewage in our rivers. or we -et there is sewage in our rivers. or we get from _ there is sewage in our rivers. or we get from the — there is sewage in our rivers. or we get from the conservatives - there is sewage in our rivers. or we get from the conservatives and - there is sewage in our rivers. or we get from the conservatives and the| get from the conservatives and the snp in _ get from the conservatives and the snp in particular, _ get from the conservatives and the snp in particular, it _ get from the conservatives and the snp in particular, it is _ get from the conservatives and the snp in particular, it is their- snp in particular, it is their fault. — snp in particular, it is their fault. you _ snp in particular, it is their fault. you are _ snp in particular, it is their fault. you are not - snp in particular, it is their fault. you are not buying . snp in particular, it is their. fault. you are not buying it, i snp in particular, it is their- fault. you are not buying it, i am not buying — fault. you are not buying it, i am not buying it. _ fault. you are not buying it, i am not buying it, the _ fault. you are not buying it, i am not buying it, the people - fault. you are not buying it, i am. not buying it, the people watching tonight— not buying it, the people watching tonight are — not buying it, the people watching tonight are not _ not buying it, the people watching tonight are not buying _ not buying it, the people watching tonight are not buying it. - not buying it, the people watching tonight are not buying it. we - not buying it, the people watching tonight are not buying it.- tonight are not buying it. we have one big final— tonight are not buying it. we have one big final area _ tonight are not buying it. we have one big final area to _ tonight are not buying it. we have one big final area to cover - tonight are not buying it. we have one big final area to cover this - one big final area to cover this evening and that is the future of scotland. ourthird evening and that is the future of scotland. our third question of the night comes from gavin strathearn. good evening. good evening, stephen. good evening. good evening, stephen. good evening. — good evening. good evening, stephen. good evening, pannell. _ does the probable change of uk government mean. independence is off the table for the foreseeable future? . —— panel. thank you, gavin. -- panel. thank you, gavin. anas sarwar. -- panel. thank you, gavin. anas sarwar- lt— -- panel. thank you, gavin. anas sarwar- it is— -- panel. thank you, gavin. anas sarwar. it is for— -- panel. thank you, gavin. anas sarwar. it is for the _ -- panel. thank you, gavin. anas sarwar. it is for the scottish - sarwar. it is for the scottish people to decide the future of our country. people to decide the future of our count . . , ., people to decide the future of our count . . , . i. people to decide the future of our count . ., , ., y., ., people to decide the future of our count . . , . ., ., country. really, are you going to allow a referendum? _ country. really, are you going to allow a referendum? it _ country. really, are you going to allow a referendum? it is - country. really, are you going to allow a referendum? it is not - country. really, are you going to i allow a referendum? it is not about independence. _ allow a referendum? it is not about independence, it _ allow a referendum? it is not about independence, it is _ allow a referendum? it is not about independence, it is getting - allow a referendum? it is not about independence, it is getting rid - allow a referendum? it is not about independence, it is getting rid of. independence, it is getting rid of this rotten tory government that has done so much damage over the last 14 years. let me say directly to the people in the room who do or have supported independence in the past. i am being supported independence in the past. lam being really supported independence in the past. i am being really upfront and open and honest. i don't support independence and i don't support a referendum. but i can understand why so many people across scotland are looking for an escape route from a tory government they thought we could not get rid of or from a labour party they thought could not win. that's why over the last three years, i have worked really hard to give you a labour party worthy of the name and to do this election, with hard work, humility and energy, i want to persuade you to vote labour so we can get rid of this tory government.— labour so we can get rid of this tory government. there may well be independent — tory government. there may well be independent supporters _ tory government. there may well be independent supporters about - tory government. there may well be | independent supporters about to vote labour in this general election, what is your direct message to them? i would say directly that we may disagree on the final destination for scotland, but we can all agree we need change right now and we have to get rid of this rotten tory government. so let's go on this part of the journey together and try and change our country and make the uk work for every part of the country, including in scotland. and then more devolution? we would reset devolution? we would reset devolution and change the relationship. right now, you have two governments who undermined evolution because both look to pick fights with each other and ultimately fail scotland. i want to go back to a politics where two government can have different political views and opinions and can believe in different solutions, but they are willing to work together in they are willing to work together in the national interest to deliver four people here in scotland. there are two parties _ four people here in scotland. there are two parties here _ four people here in scotland. there are two parties here supporting independence tonight.- are two parties here supporting independence tonight. lorna slater, from the scottish _ independence tonight. lorna slater, from the scottish greens. _ independence tonight. lorna slater, from the scottish greens. you - independence tonight. lorna slater, from the scottish greens. you want| from the scottish greens. you want to watch _ from the scottish greens. you want to watch that — from the scottish greens. you want to watch that space _ from the scottish greens. you want to watch that space there _ from the scottish greens. you want to watch that space there because i to watch that space there because independence _ to watch that space there because independence will— to watch that space there because independence will not _ to watch that space there because independence will not be - to watch that space there because independence will not be orange i to watch that space there because - independence will not be orange back at the _ independence will not be orange back at the table. — independence will not be orange back at the table. about _ independence will not be orange back at the table. about half— independence will not be orange back at the table. about half the _ independence will not be orange back at the table. about half the people i at the table. about half the people in scotland — at the table. about half the people in scotland supported _ at the table. about half the people in scotland supported and - at the table. about half the people in scotland supported and that - at the table. about half the people in scotland supported and that is l in scotland supported and that is gradually— in scotland supported and that is gradually increasing. _ in scotland supported and that is gradually increasing. we - in scotland supported and that is gradually increasing. we can- in scotland supported and that is gradually increasing. we can set| in scotland supported and that is i gradually increasing. we can set out a vision _ gradually increasing. we can set out a vision for— gradually increasing. we can set out a vision for scotland _ gradually increasing. we can set out a vision for scotland that _ gradually increasing. we can set out a vision for scotland that is - a vision for scotland that is fantastic. _ a vision for scotland that is fantastic. we _ a vision for scotland that is fantastic. we have - a vision for scotland that is fantastic. we have huge i a vision for scotland that is - fantastic. we have huge resources in scotland. _ fantastic. we have huge resources in scotland. wind. _ fantastic. we have huge resources in scotland. wind, energy, _ fantastic. we have huge resources in scotland. wind, energy, other- scotland. wind, energy, other renewable _ scotland. wind, energy, other renewable energy. _ scotland. wind, energy, other renewable energy. i— scotland. wind, energy, other renewable energy. i used - scotland. wind, energy, other renewable energy. i used to. scotland. wind, energy, other. renewable energy. i used to work scotland. wind, energy, other- renewable energy. i used to work in offshore _ renewable energy. i used to work in offshore renewables _ renewable energy. i used to work in offshore renewables and _ renewable energy. i used to work in offshore renewables and i— renewable energy. i used to work in offshore renewables and i can- renewable energy. i used to work in offshore renewables and i can tell. offshore renewables and i can tell you when — offshore renewables and i can tell you when we _ offshore renewables and i can tell you when we get _ offshore renewables and i can tell you when we get those _ offshore renewables and i can tell. you when we get those supply chains going. _ you when we get those supply chains going. the _ you when we get those supply chains going, the turbine _ you when we get those supply chains going, the turbine i— you when we get those supply chains going, the turbine i built— you when we get those supply chains going, the turbine i built was- you when we get those supply chains going, the turbine i built was from i going, the turbine i built was from liberty— going, the turbine i built was from liberty steel — going, the turbine i built was from liberty steel in _ going, the turbine i built was from liberty steel in motherwell - going, the turbine i built was from liberty steel in motherwell and i liberty steel in motherwell and assembled _ liberty steel in motherwell and assembled in _ liberty steel in motherwell and assembled in dundee - liberty steel in motherwell and assembled in dundee and - liberty steel in motherwell and assembled in dundee and is . liberty steel in motherwell and i assembled in dundee and is now operating — assembled in dundee and is now operating in _ assembled in dundee and is now operating in orkney. _ assembled in dundee and is now operating in orkney. we - assembled in dundee and is now operating in orkney. we need i assembled in dundee and is now operating in orkney. we need to scale _ operating in orkney. we need to scale up — operating in orkney. we need to scale up the _ operating in orkney. we need to scale up the supply— operating in orkney. we need to scale up the supply chains - operating in orkney. we need to scale up the supply chains and i scale up the supply chains and create — scale up the supply chains and create a — scale up the supply chains and create a brilliant _ scale up the supply chains and create a brilliant future - scale up the supply chains and create a brilliant future for - scale up the supply chains andj create a brilliant future for the people — create a brilliant future for the people in _ create a brilliant future for the people in scotland. _ create a brilliant future for the people in scotland. i- create a brilliant future for the people in scotland. ithink- create a brilliant future for the people in scotland. i think we| create a brilliant future for the i people in scotland. i think we can do that— people in scotland. i think we can do that better— people in scotland. i think we can do that better is an _ people in scotland. i think we can do that better is an independent i do that better is an independent scotland — do that better is an independent scotland because _ do that better is an independent scotland because we _ do that better is an independent scotland because we will- do that better is an independent scotland because we will make i do that better is an independent i scotland because we will make the decisions _ scotland because we will make the decisions about— scotland because we will make the decisions about who _ scotland because we will make the decisions about who we _ scotland because we will make the decisions about who we tax, - scotland because we will make the decisions about who we tax, howl scotland because we will make the i decisions about who we tax, how that money— decisions about who we tax, how that money gets— decisions about who we tax, how that money gets spent. _ decisions about who we tax, how that money gets spent-— money gets spent. you said independence _ money gets spent. you said independence was - money gets spent. you said independence was not - money gets spent. you said independence was not a - money gets spent. you said independence was not a red money gets spent. you said - independence was not a red line issue for you. independence was not a red line issue for yon-— issue for you. independence is a really important _ issue for you. independence is a really important issue. - issue for you. independence is a really important issue. but - issue for you. independence is a really important issue. but not i issue for you. independence is a | really important issue. but not a red line — really important issue. but not a red line issue. _ really important issue. but not a red line issue. that _ really important issue. but not a red line issue. that question- really important issue. but not a| red line issue. that question was asked _ red line issue. that question was asked in— red line issue. that question was asked in terms _ red line issue. that question was asked in terms of— red line issue. that question was asked in terms of who _ red line issue. that question was asked in terms of who we - red line issue. that question was asked in terms of who we would i red line issue. that question was. asked in terms of who we would be willing _ asked in terms of who we would be willing to _ asked in terms of who we would be willing to work _ asked in terms of who we would be willing to work with. _ asked in terms of who we would be willing to work with. as _ asked in terms of who we would be willing to work with. as we - asked in terms of who we would be willing to work with. as we have i willing to work with. as we have shown _ willing to work with. as we have shown in — willing to work with. as we have shown in terms _ willing to work with. as we have shown in terms of— willing to work with. as we have shown in terms of working - willing to work with. as we have shown in terms of working withi willing to work with. as we have i shown in terms of working with the sup. _ shown in terms of working with the snp. even — shown in terms of working with the snp. even when— shown in terms of working with the snp, even when we _ shown in terms of working with the snp, even when we disagree - shown in terms of working with the snp, even when we disagree on i shown in terms of working with the i snp, even when we disagree on many matters, _ snp, even when we disagree on many matters, where — snp, even when we disagree on many matters, where we _ snp, even when we disagree on many matters, where we find _ snp, even when we disagree on many matters, where we find matters - snp, even when we disagree on many matters, where we find matters in - matters, where we find matters in common. — matters, where we find matters in common. we — matters, where we find matters in common, we would _ matters, where we find matters in common, we would like _ matters, where we find matters in common, we would like to - matters, where we find matters in common, we would like to work i common, we would like to work together— common, we would like to work together to _ common, we would like to work together to get _ common, we would like to work together to get things _ common, we would like to work together to get things done. - common, we would like to work - together to get things done. things like tackling — together to get things done. things like tackling child _ together to get things done. things like tackling child poverty. - together to get things done. things like tackling child poverty. anas, ii like tackling child poverty. anas, i don't _ like tackling child poverty. anas, i don't think— like tackling child poverty. anas, i don't think your— like tackling child poverty. anas, i don't think your party _ like tackling child poverty. anas, i don't think your party will - like tackling child poverty. anas, i don't think your party will be - like tackling child poverty. anas, i don't think your party will be able | don't think your party will be able to maintain— don't think your party will be able to maintain its— don't think your party will be able to maintain its focus _ don't think your party will be able to maintain its focus on— don't think your party will be able to maintain its focus on unionism | to maintain its focus on unionism because — to maintain its focus on unionism because marry— to maintain its focus on unionism because many people _ to maintain its focus on unionism because many people in - to maintain its focus on unionism because many people in this - to maintain its focus on unionism - because many people in this election might— because many people in this election might be _ because many people in this election might be considering _ because many people in this election might be considering voting - because many people in this election might be considering voting for- because many people in this election might be considering voting for you i might be considering voting for you who do— might be considering voting for you who do sopport _ might be considering voting for you who do support independence - might be considering voting for you who do support independence and. might be considering voting for you i who do support independence and the question— who do support independence and the question is, _ who do support independence and the question is. you — who do support independence and the question is, you said _ who do support independence and the question is, you said it _ who do support independence and the question is, you said it yourself, - question is, you said it yourself, it is for— question is, you said it yourself, it is for the — question is, you said it yourself, it is for the people _ question is, you said it yourself, it is for the people of scotland . question is, you said it yourself, | it is for the people of scotland to decide _ it is for the people of scotland to decide. so when _ it is for the people of scotland to decide. so when you _ it is for the people of scotland to decide. so when you respect - it is for the people of scotland to decide. so when you respect our| decide. so when you respect our democratic— decide. so when you respect our democratic mandate _ decide. so when you respect our democratic mandate and - decide. so when you respect our democratic mandate and allow. decide. so when you respect our| democratic mandate and allow us decide. so when you respect our. democratic mandate and allow us a referendum — democratic mandate and allow us a referendum on— democratic mandate and allow us a referendum on independence? - democratic mandate and allow us a referendum on independence? will democratic mandate and allow us a - referendum on independence? will you revoke _ referendum on independence? will you revoke the _ referendum on independence? will you revoke the internal— referendum on independence? will you revoke the internal market _ referendum on independence? will you revoke the internal market act - referendum on independence? will you revoke the internal market act that - revoke the internal market act that overrutes _ revoke the internal market act that overrules devolution _ revoke the internal market act that overrules devolution and _ revoke the internal market act that. overrules devolution and respects... let him _ overrules devolution and respects... let him answer— overrules devolution and respects... let him answer the _ overrules devolution and respects... let him answer the question. - overrules devolution and respects... let him answer the question. anasl let him answer the question. anas sarwar. i let him answer the question. anas sarwar. . , ., , let him answer the question. anas sarwar. . , . , . . sarwar. i have been really clearl don't sopport— sarwar. i have been really clearl don't support independence - sarwar. i have been really clearl don't support independence or. sarwar. i have been really clearl don't support independence or a | don't support independence or a referendum, but i can understand why so many people were driven towards independence and for the snp. but can i say directly about this election that in 23 days' time, we will either wake up to five more years of the conservatives or labour government. iikla years of the conservatives or labour government-— government. no but -- nobody is auoin to government. no but -- nobody is going to vote _ government. no but -- nobody is going to vote for— government. no but -- nobody is going to vote for them. _ government. no but -- nobody is going to vote for them. some - government. no but -- nobody is i going to vote for them. some would sail referendum _ going to vote for them. some would sail referendum is _ going to vote for them. some would sail referendum is democracy. - going to vote for them. some would sail referendum is democracy. let i going to vote for them. some would i sail referendum is democracy. let me finish, sail referendum is democracy. let me finish. when — sail referendum is democracy. let me finish. when you _ sail referendum is democracy. let me finish, when you voted _ sail referendum is democracy. let me finish, when you voted yes _ sail referendum is democracy. let me finish, when you voted yes or- sail referendum is democracy. let me finish, when you voted yes or no - sail referendum is democracy. let me finish, when you voted yes or no or i finish, when you voted yes or no or leave a remain, you are still struggling with the cost—of—living crisis, mortgages have gone through the roof and you are stuck in an nhs waiting list —— leave or remain. i will work together with people regardless of their views on the constitution to deliver change for them and their family, constitution to deliver change for them and theirfamily, that constitution to deliver change for them and their family, that is the right thing to do.— right thing to do. douglas ross, does the probable _ right thing to do. douglas ross, does the probable change - right thing to do. douglas ross, does the probable change of- right thing to do. douglas ross, does the probable change of uk| does the probable change of uk government mean independence is off the table for the foreseeable future? i the table for the foreseeable future? ., ., , , future? i do not support independence, - future? i do not support independence, i- future? i do not support independence, i did - future? i do not support independence, i did not| future? i do not support l independence, i did not in future? i do not support - independence, i did not in 2014 future? i do not support _ independence, i did not in 2014 and i independence, i did not in 2014 and i believe _ independence, i did not in 2014 and i believe we have had a decade of division _ i believe we have had a decade of division in — i believe we have had a decade of division in our country ever since. john— division in our country ever since. john swinney was recently installed on snp _ john swinney was recently installed on snp leader on the slogan, unite for independence. in parliament, he has told _ for independence. in parliament, he has told us — for independence. in parliament, he has told us independence is at the heart _ has told us independence is at the heart of— has told us independence is at the heart of his— has told us independence is at the heart of his government. every minister— heart of his government. every minister in his government as a minister— minister in his government as a minister for independence and independence is going to be page one, independence is going to be page one. tine — independence is going to be page one, line one of the snp manifesto. he is— one, line one of the snp manifesto. he is nodding along because that is the obsession of the nationalist. it is not _ the obsession of the nationalist. it is not the — the obsession of the nationalist. it is not the nhs that we have been discussing — is not the nhs that we have been discussing today, it is not the education _ discussing today, it is not the education system, it is not carers, it is going — education system, it is not carers, it is going to— education system, it is not carers, it is going to be independence above evervthing _ it is going to be independence above everything else. and scotland will suffer— everything else. and scotland will suffer as — everything else. and scotland will suffer as a result of that. we can do so _ suffer as a result of that. we can do so much — suffer as a result of that. we can do so much better, we can focus on the issues _ do so much better, we can focus on the issues affecting people's lives here and — the issues affecting people's lives here and now. we can focus on growing — here and now. we can focus on growing our economy, creating good jobs, _ growing our economy, creating good jobs, reducing nhs waiting lists, improving the nhs system. we can have a _ improving the nhs system. we can have a better future for scotland if the snp _ have a better future for scotland if the snp are beaten at this election and end _ the snp are beaten at this election and end this obsession with independence.— and end this obsession with independence. and end this obsession with inde endence. , ., ,, , . independence. john swinney. i am about to say _ independence. john swinney. i am about to say something _ independence. john swinney. i am about to say something i - independence. john swinney. i am about to say something i did - independence. john swinney. i am about to say something i did not l about to say something i did not think i was going to say tonight. this will be good.— think i was going to say tonight. this will be good. you are all going to like this- — this will be good. you are all going to like this. |_ this will be good. you are all going to like this. i agree _ this will be good. you are all going to like this. i agree with _ this will be good. you are all going to like this. i agree with something for two has said. anas has said, it is for the people of scotland to decide the future of scotland and thatis decide the future of scotland and that is exactly how it should be. the people of this country... they have a democratic right to decide if they wish to be independent. let me explain why i think scotland should be independent. people are really struggling in scotland today because of the effects of 14 years of austerity, because of brexit and the cost—of—living crisis. all of those are a product of decisions taken at tory westminster. tory decisions. decisions taken in westminster. and independence give scotland a way of taking our own decisions and designing the future made in scotland for scotland. and that is a really exciting and beautiful proposition. if really exciting and beautiful proposition-— really exciting and beautiful proposition. really exciting and beautiful --roosition. ., �* , proposition. if you don't win this election, proposition. if you don't win this election. your— proposition. if you don't win this election, your colleague - proposition. if you don't win this election, your colleague tommy| election, your colleague tommy sheppard says the debate stops. is sheppard says the debate stops. is he right? of course not, no. the snp he right? of course not, no. the snp is a party as douglas ross has said which believes in scottish independence, and we will make the argument for independence. that independence, and we will make the argument for independence.- argument for independence. that is the problem — argument for independence. that is the problem with _ argument for independence. that is the problem with our— argument for independence. that is the problem with our health - argument for independence. that is| the problem with our health service, the problem with our health service, the education of young people, serving — the education of young people, serving communities. that is your priority. _ serving communities. that is your priority, page one and line one of your— priority, page one and line one of your manifesto. if priority, page one and line one of your manifesto.— your manifesto. if we accept a continuation _ your manifesto. if we accept a continuation of _ your manifesto. if we accept a continuation of uk _ your manifesto. if we accept a | continuation of uk government your manifesto. if we accept a . continuation of uk government in scotland, we are lining —— signing up scotland, we are lining —— signing up to more austerity. and it will be a labour government replacing tory territory and that will be bad news for scotland. i territory and that will be bad news for scotland-— for scotland. i want to hear from the audience. _ for scotland. i want to hear from the audience. the _ for scotland. i want to hear from the audience. the lady _ for scotland. i want to hear from the audience. the lady in - for scotland. i want to hear from the audience. the lady in the - for scotland. i want to hear from | the audience. the lady in the back in the dungarees, yes.— in the dungarees, yes. towards dou~las in the dungarees, yes. towards douglas ross _ in the dungarees, yes. towards douglas ross. i _ in the dungarees, yes. towards douglas ross. i found - in the dungarees, yes. towards douglas ross. i found out - in the dungarees, yes. towards i douglas ross. i found out recently what the _ douglas ross. i found out recently what the barnett _ douglas ross. i found out recently what the barnett for— douglas ross. i found out recently what the barnett for new - douglas ross. i found out recently what the barnett for new miller. what the barnett for new miller was and i what the barnett for new miller was and i spoke — what the barnett for new miller was and i spoke with— what the barnett for new miller was and i spoke with a _ what the barnett for new miller was and i spoke with a financial- and i spoke with a financial professional— and i spoke with a financial professional here. - and i spoke with a financial professional here. she - and i spoke with a financial- professional here. she thought it was baby— professional here. she thought it was baby nrilk— professional here. she thought it was baby milk -- _ professional here. she thought it was baby milk —— barnett- professional here. she thought itl was baby milk —— barnett formula was _ was baby milk —— barnett formula was is _ was baby milk —— barnett formula was is england _ was baby milk —— barnett formula was. is england too— was baby milk —— barnett formula was. is england too scared - was baby milk —— barnett formula was. is england too scared of- was. is england too scared of scotland _ was. is england too scared of scotland being _ was. is england too scared of scotland being independent?i was. is england too scared of- scotland being independent? ho, was. is england too scared of scotland being independent? no, and the barnett formula _ scotland being independent? no, and the barnett formula allows _ scotland being independent? no, and the barnett formula allows us - scotland being independent? no, and the barnett formula allows us to - the barnett formula allows us to deliver— the barnett formula allows us to deliver public services here in scotland _ deliver public services here in scotland. a deliver public services here in scotland. �* ., deliver public services here in scotland. . ., ., , ., scotland. a lot of people in that area don't _ scotland. a lot of people in that area don't know _ scotland. a lot of people in that area don't know what _ scotland. a lot of people in that area don't know what it - scotland. a lot of people in that area don't know what it is. - scotland. a lot of people in that area don't know what it is. and | scotland. a lot of people in that - area don't know what it is. and that is an— area don't know what it is. and that is an issue. — area don't know what it is. and that is an issue, that _ area don't know what it is. and that is an issue, that is— area don't know what it is. and that is an issue, that is an _ area don't know what it is. and that is an issue, that is an issue. - is an issue, that is an issue. people _ is an issue, that is an issue. people should _ is an issue, that is an issue. people should understand . is an issue, that is an issue. i people should understand it. is an issue, that is an issue. . people should understand it. i is an issue, that is an issue. - people should understand it. i agree with that _ people should understand it. i agree with that i_ people should understand it. i agree with that. i thinkjohn agrees with it as well — with that. i thinkjohn agrees with it as well. when he was finance secretary. — it as well. when he was finance secretary, he benefited from the decisions — secretary, he benefited from the decisions to give him more money to spend. _ decisions to give him more money to spend. that — decisions to give him more money to spend, that has not helped the 93—year—old mother of anna and school _ 93—year—old mother of anna and school pupils in glasgow or across scotland — school pupils in glasgow or across scotland. we school pupils in glasgow or across scotland. ~ . ~ school pupils in glasgow or across scotland. ~ . ,, ., ., scotland. we talk about barnett all the time. scotland. we talk about barnett all the time- the _ scotland. we talk about barnett all the time. the man _ scotland. we talk about barnett all the time. the man in _ scotland. we talk about barnett all the time. the man in the _ scotland. we talk about barnett all the time. the man in the front - scotland. we talk about barnett all| the time. the man in the front row. most disturbing _ the time. the man in the front row. most disturbing in _ the time. the man in the front row. most disturbing in this _ the time. the man in the front row. most disturbing in this debate - the time. the man in the front row. most disturbing in this debate is - most disturbing in this debate is the position— most disturbing in this debate is the position of— most disturbing in this debate is the position of the _ most disturbing in this debate is the position of the labour- most disturbing in this debate is the position of the labour party| most disturbing in this debate is - the position of the labour party who are essentially— the position of the labour party who are essentially lying _ the position of the labour party who are essentially lying to _ the position of the labour party who are essentially lying to the - the position of the labour party who are essentially lying to the public. are essentially lying to the public and acting — are essentially lying to the public and acting as _ are essentially lying to the public and acting as if— are essentially lying to the public and acting as if they— are essentially lying to the public and acting as if they will- are essentially lying to the public and acting as if they will be - are essentially lying to the public and acting as if they will be the l and acting as if they will be the saviour— and acting as if they will be the saviour of— and acting as if they will be the saviour of the _ and acting as if they will be the saviour of the british _ and acting as if they will be the saviour of the british public - and acting as if they will be the . saviour of the british public when you will— saviour of the british public when you will be — saviour of the british public when you will be exactly— saviour of the british public when you will be exactly like _ saviour of the british public when you will be exactly like the - saviour of the british public when l you will be exactly like the tories. you will _ you will be exactly like the tories. you will continue _ you will be exactly like the tories. you will continue austerity- you will be exactly like the tories. you will continue austerity and - you will be exactly like the tories. | you will continue austerity and you are not— you will continue austerity and you are not going — you will continue austerity and you are not going to— you will continue austerity and you are not going to do— you will continue austerity and you are not going to do any— you will continue austerity and you are not going to do any tangible i are not going to do any tangible difference — are not going to do any tangible difference for— are not going to do any tangible difference for the _ are not going to do any tangible difference for the people - are not going to do any tangible difference for the people in- difference for the people in scotland. _ difference for the people in scotland, you _ difference for the people in scotland, you are - difference for the people in scotland, you are just - difference for the people ini scotland, you are just giving difference for the people in- scotland, you are just giving us lie after— scotland, you are just giving us lie after lie _ scotland, you are just giving us lie after lie after— scotland, you are just giving us lie after lie after lie. _ scotland, you are just giving us lie after lie after lie. you _ scotland, you are just giving us lie after lie after lie. you are - scotland, you are just giving us lie after lie after lie. you are going i after lie after lie. you are going to develop— after lie after lie. you are going to develop new— after lie after lie. you are going to develop new and _ after lie after lie. you are going to develop new and existing i after lie after lie. you are going i to develop new and existing problems for the _ to develop new and existing problems for the next _ to develop new and existing problems for the next five _ to develop new and existing problems for the next five years _ to develop new and existing problems for the next five years and _ to develop new and existing problems for the next five years and i— to develop new and existing problems for the next five years and i don't i for the next five years and i don't think— for the next five years and i don't think anyone _ for the next five years and i don't think anyone should _ for the next five years and i don't think anyone should believe i for the next five years and i don't think anyone should believe you. | think anyone should believe you. i will think anyone should believe you. will come to you in a second, think anyone should believe you.|. will come to you in a second, anas. alex _ will come to you in a second, anas. alex cole—hamilton. the exchange between douglas and john we just heard has characterised much of this campaign. they talked about independence almost every day, it has been holding us back and i hope to get through this debate without it, but i recognise we are not quite there yet. children will vote in the next holyrood election who have known only this debate. only this division in our society. when i knock on doors, it is not what people are raising, they want to know about fast access to gps and local dentists. but it is in their interest keep talking about it because it keeps their parliamentarians on the gravy train. most of those young people support independence, — most of those young people support independence, 75% _ most of those young people support independence, 75% of— most of those young people support independence, 75% of them. - most of those young people support independence, 75% of them.- independence, 75% of them. this is not what matters _ independence, 75% of them. this is not what matters to _ independence, 75% of them. this is not what matters to people. - independence, 75% of them. this is not what matters to people. all of i not what matters to people. all of the problems we have discussed the previous subjects on the economy, poverty, health, public services are all crying out for ministerial attention and they have been starved of that because of the constitutional debate that has gripped our politics for so long. i attended a debate like this in 2019 and i could not have imagined that five years later, i would be standing here under sanction by the kremlin because of the state of the world we're living in right now. we will look back on this time with a dawning realisation that we were already living in the early days of already living in the early days of a new cold war. we need to focus on building bridges with our nearest neighbours, whether that is england or europe, it is the liberal democrats who want to re—establish these areas because the world is a scary place. these areas because the world is a scary place-— these areas because the world is a j scary place-_ i scary place. answer his question. i am the only _ scary place. answer his question. i am the only one _ scary place. answer his question. i am the only one who _ scary place. answer his question. i am the only one who has - scary place. answer his question. i am the only one who has made i am the only one who has made specific— am the only one who has made specific pledges about what we would do if you _ specific pledges about what we would do if you elect a labour government, everyone _ do if you elect a labour government, everyone else has spoken in generalities. we will deliver a genuine — generalities. we will deliver a genuine living wage to make people p5y~ genuine living wage to make people pay he _ genuine living wage to make people pay. he does not believe you. i had been _ pay. he does not believe you. i had been direct, — pay. he does not believe you. i had been direct, that will give a pay rise to — been direct, that will give a pay rise to 32,000 scots, we would establish — rise to 32,000 scots, we would establish gb energy, a public owned energy— establish gb energy, a public owned energy company headquartered in scotland — energy company headquartered in scotland that would make billions of pounds _ scotland that would make billions of pounds of _ scotland that would make billions of pounds of investment in the clean energy— pounds of investment in the clean energy of— pounds of investment in the clean energy of the future. that means more _ energy of the future. that means more jobs. — energy of the future. that means morejobs, lower energy of the future. that means more jobs, lower bills, energy of the future. that means morejobs, lower bills, greater energy— morejobs, lower bills, greater energy security. we will close the non-donr~~ — energy security. we will close the non-dom- - -_ non-dom. .. what will you do to imrove non-dom. .. what will you do to improve the _ non-dom. .. what will you do to improve the situation _ non-dom. .. what will you do to improve the situation in - non-dom. .. what will you do to improve the situation in gaza? l non-dom. .. what will you do to i improve the situation in gaza? we needed improve the situation in gaza? needed an immediate ceasefire. improve the situation in gaza?“ needed an immediate ceasefire. he has answered your point. i think my views— has answered your point. i think my views on— has answered your point. i think my views on gaza well known, i have been _ views on gaza well known, i have been to _ views on gaza well known, i have been to the — views on gaza well known, i have been to the gaza strip myself to deliver— been to the gaza strip myself to deliver into the gaza strip before i became _ deliver into the gaza strip before i became a — deliver into the gaza strip before i became a politician —— a well known. my views— became a politician —— a well known. my views are — became a politician —— a well known. my views are well— known. i believe in a two—state solution solution, i believe _ in a two—state solution solution, i believe benjamin netanyahu is committing war crimes. i believe hanras— committing war crimes. i believe hamas should be separated from the palestinian people. i believe we need _ palestinian people. i believe we need an— palestinian people. i believe we need an immediate ceasefire and immediate access to humanitarian aid and we _ immediate access to humanitarian aid and we need a change of situation on the ground — and we need a change of situation on the ground. so people in israel and palestine: — the ground. so people in israel and palestine: we are running out of time. _ palestine: we are running out of time. the — palestine: we are running out of time, the man with a brown jacket. | time, the man with a brown jacket. completely time, the man with a brown jacket. i completely understand both sides of the independence _ completely understand both sides of the independence debate _ completely understand both sides of the independence debate and - completely understand both sides of the independence debate and i- completely understand both sides of the independence debate and i get. the independence debate and i get why it _ the independence debate and i get why it should — the independence debate and i get why it should be _ the independence debate and i get why it should be part _ the independence debate and i get why it should be part of _ the independence debate and i get why it should be part of the - why it should be part of the discourse _ why it should be part of the discourse to _ why it should be part of the discourse to an _ why it should be part of the discourse to an extent, i why it should be part of the discourse to an extent, but| why it should be part of the l discourse to an extent, but i why it should be part of the - discourse to an extent, but i think if you _ discourse to an extent, but i think if you walk— discourse to an extent, but i think if you walk down _ discourse to an extent, but i think if you walk down the _ discourse to an extent, but i think if you walk down the streets i discourse to an extent, but i think if you walk down the streets of i if you walk down the streets of glasgow — if you walk down the streets of glasgow in— if you walk down the streets of glasgow in some _ if you walk down the streets of glasgow in some areas, - if you walk down the streets of i glasgow in some areas, businesses are closing — glasgow in some areas, businesses are closing people _ glasgow in some areas, businesses are closing. people are _ glasgow in some areas, businesses are closing. people are sitting i glasgow in some areas, businesses are closing. people are sitting out. are closing. people are sitting out on the _ are closing. people are sitting out on the street— are closing. people are sitting out on the street begging. _ are closing. people are sitting out on the street begging. when i- are closing. people are sitting out on the street begging. when i amj on the street begging. when i am walking _ on the street begging. when i am walking for— on the street begging. when i am walking for lunch— on the street begging. when i am walking for lunch at _ on the street begging. when i am walking for lunch at my _ on the street begging. when i am walking for lunch at my work, i on the street begging. when i am walking for lunch at my work, you cannot _ walking for lunch at my work, you cannot get — walking for lunch at my work, you cannot get an _ walking for lunch at my work, you cannot get an appointment - walking for lunch at my work, you cannot get an appointment at i walking for lunch at my work, you cannot get an appointment at a i walking for lunch at my work, you l cannot get an appointment at a gp, you cannot _ cannot get an appointment at a gp, you cannot get — cannot get an appointment at a gp, you cannot get an— cannot get an appointment at a gp, you cannot get an appointment i cannot get an appointment at a gp, you cannot get an appointment at l cannot get an appointment at a gp, you cannot get an appointment at a j you cannot get an appointment at a dentist. — you cannot get an appointment at a dentist. it _ you cannot get an appointment at a dentist. it angers _ you cannot get an appointment at a dentist. it angers me _ you cannot get an appointment at a dentist. it angers me when- you cannot get an appointment at a dentist. it angers me when i- you cannot get an appointment at a dentist. it angers me when i turn. you cannot get an appointment at a | dentist. it angers me when i turn on the tv— dentist. it angers me when i turn on the tv and _ dentist. it angers me when i turn on the tv and there _ dentist. it angers me when i turn on the tv and there is _ dentist. it angers me when i turn on the tv and there is so _ dentist. it angers me when i turn on the tv and there is so much - the tv and there is so much discourse _ the tv and there is so much discourse about _ the tv and there is so much i discourse about independence. tidy the flat _ discourse about independence. tidy the flat before _ discourse about independence. tidy the flat before you _ discourse about independence. tidy the flat before you move _ discourse about independence. tidy the flat before you move out, i discourse about independence. tidy the flat before you move out, john. j the flat before you move out, john. john swinney. — the flat before you move out, john. john swinney. iho— the flat before you move out, john. john swinney-— john swinney. the reason why i believe in _ john swinney. the reason why i believe in independence - john swinney. the reason why i believe in independence is- john swinney. the reason why i i believe in independence is because it gives us the power to address the very issues that you're talking about. ., ., .,, very issues that you're talking about. ., ., , very issues that you're talking about. ., . , ., about. you have those powers now, john. you had _ about. you have those powers now, john. you had those _ about. you have those powers now, john. you had those powers - about. you have those powers now, john. you had those powers for- about. you have those powers now, john. you had those powers for 17 i john. you had those powers for 17 years. john. you had those powers for 17 ears. �* ., , . . years. but we operate within a fiscal environment _ years. but we operate within a fiscal environment set - years. but we operate within a fiscal environment set by - years. but we operate within a fiscal environment set by the i years. but we operate within a l fiscal environment set by the uk government. and that constrains what we are able to do. we take decisions which expand the resources available, increase tax on higher earners to invest more in the nhs to address the point the gentleman raised. trite address the point the gentleman raised. ~ ., ., ., ., , raised. we are out of time, that is it for this evening. _ raised. we are out of time, that is it for this evening. hopefully, we | it for this evening. hopefully, we have helped you understand some of the big issues this evening and where the party stand. —— the parties stand. remember, you have a week to register to vote. the bbc news live page will be getting reactions to what you have heard for the rest of this evening. if you are watching on bbc one scotland or listening to radio scotland, we will hear from other parties later. debate night is back next wednesday in scotland's energy capital, aberdeen, one of the key battlegrounds in this election campaign. you can apply to be in the audience at bbc.co.uk/debatenight. much more information on the general election, including who is standing in your area, on the bbc news website. join us at 10:30 next wednesday. in aberdeen. thank you very much to our party leaders, to our audience here in glasgow and, of course, to you at home for watching. from all of us here, goodnight. live from glasgow. applause hello, you're watching the context on bbc news. things have not always been easy and we have not got everything right. but we are the only party in this election with the big ideas to make our country a better place to live. the last 18 months you've tried everything to try and revive conservative fortunes, and not much appears to have worked. could we rename this document today your " last chance saloon"? what we saw this morning was a desperate wish list of unfunded promises from a weak prime minister. joining me iszanna mihailova —deputy political editor at the mail on sunday. and joe twyman, a pollster — and the co—founder of deltapoll. and shortly, paul hutcheon — political editor at the daily record.
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