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james comey is here. i'm going to get his reaction to the brian his thoughts on a potential second trump term and talk to him about his brand new novel. also major league baseball is changing its history books as it now embraces all leagues in its record books, including the segregated leagues, how the addition of more than 2000 players is shaking up the mlb's statistics. >> breaking news moments ago, former president donald trump walked back into that manhattan courtroom, has lawyers and prosecutors have just been negotiating and arguing and bigger bickering over which portions of the testimony the jury will get to rehear tomorrow when it's read back to them cnn's paula reads outside the courthouse polo, walk us through exactly what's happening in court right now is the right now what appears day that even though the jury has gone home for the de it appears that the defense attorneys prosecutors, and they appear poised to go back on the record because the judge is basically locked them in the courthouse along with former president trump until they can agree on specifically which sections of the testimony the jury has requested. >> will actually be read back to the jury tomorrow. so we expect shortly the judge will be back on the badge. and, they will hopefully reveal some sort of consensus. they can't leave until they come to some sort of agreement. remember the first note that we got from the jury today requested for different portions of testimony that they heard throughout this trial. the first was testimony from david pecker about a phone call with trump the second was having to do with david pecker and the agreement that was made with karen mcdougal and how that was funded agreement to the life rights to her story. they also asked for a testimony from david pecker on the trump tower meeting in 2015, as well as michael cohen's testimony on that same trump tower meeting. the challenge now is that both sides have to agree specifically what gets read back to the jury. there'll be read back by the court reporter. but while we wait to figure out exactly what they will here first thing tomorrow, they also asked to have the jury instructions read back to them. now, jake, this was prize because even though it was 55 pages of instructions, they just heard it this morning. so the fact that they're asking to hear that again suggests that when they went back to deliberate, at least a few jurors did not agree on exactly what the assignment was and the instructions that have been laid out for the judge. now, by the judge, but the judge also said he's not sure if he needs to reread all 55 pages or if it's just a portion of that. so >> look, my biggest takeaway is this jury note that requested these four different excerpts of testimony as we've discussed part of them relate to david testimony at part of them relate to cohen's testimony about that trump tower meeting in 2015? and i think that the big takeaway from these request is that the jury is really focused on this alleged conspiracy to influence the election keep in mind it is that conspiracy that is the object offense or the step up. so that makes the false negation of business records a felony. prosecutors have to prove that trump intended to commit or conceal this conspiracy to influence the election and although these different requests seemed to really focus on that aspect of this case, the trump tower meeting, where that conspiracy was allegedly born, and then also this phone call that trump had with david in june in 2016, about one aspect of that conspiracy related to the hush money payments to karen mcdougall in closing arguments last night, joshua stein glass argued to the jurors that it is that phone call with david knowledge of the hush money payments to care and mcdougall ahead of time, that it was that phone calling which he indicated to david packard that he could work with michael cohen as an intermediary on trump's behalf. >> so please clearly, the prosecution thought this was a very important phone call. the jurors are very focused on it and finally, it's also important what is not included in this request, which is any request about the credibility of michael cohen, the defense case has rested on attacking michael cohen's credibility and you might i'd expect that if the jurors had questions about that at this point, they might be requesting testimony related to the attacks on michael cohen, related to some of the lies that the defense team alleged michael cohen told during his testimony, but we didn't see that in this jury note, so i think if you're the prosecution, you're feeling pretty he good about why about what is the substance of this jury node at this point? >> although i have to say and stacy, maybe you weigh in on it. i have no. i mean you know, you might be completely right, nana but they did ask for two different parts of the two different ersions of the trump >> he was doing things on his own because he wasn't happy with his role in the campaign that he didn't have didn't approve this deal. and the only person that the jurors had to rely on was michael cohen, whether or not trump approved this because we never heard from alan yslow berg, the cfo, the former cfo, who was also privy to michael cohen being reimbursed through the business records, which is why we're here in the first place. why trump is being charged, running this, these fees through the business records? so i think there's a good signal in there, but it's no guarantee that my hunches right, because it's all in how the jury interprets the testimony and applies it to the big themes that are created and the prosecution's theme is very different from the defense theme. the defense theme is all denied, denied, denied, didn't happen the prosecution's theme is here a little kernels from all these witnesses about what really happened. >> all right. stacey snider, an anna bauer. thanks to both of you really appreciate your insights and just to get you at home up to speed on the disagreements going on. the prosecution and the defense have agreed on which lines will be rerun read on request. one, which is about david testimony regarding a phone conversation with donald trump while packer was in an investment meeting. and number two, they've agreed that's testimony about the decision to not finalize and fund the assignment. of karen mic do goals life rights, and number four, which is michael cohen's testimony regarding the trump tower meeting, the sticking point is which parts of the testimony regarding number three, which is david testimony regarding the trump tower meeting. that is what the prosecution and defense or disagreeing over right now. and, judge, won more. sean will inevitably if they cannot agree have to intervene there coming up a former fbi director james comey, will weigh in on donald trump, hillary clinton, and his latest murder mysteries. stay right here. >> in one of the most active tornado seasons you 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first, the book, first the book, not to give too much away the suspense, but the novel centers on the character nora carlton, who had worked at a us attorneys before landing a job at a hedge fund. she struggles to clear her name, having to turn to some shady characters, having to deal with personal slanders, of course, is something that you have some experience and was this cathartic for you? >> yeah. in a way because i'm able to go back to things i did in my career, but also bring it to the current de because nora is inspired by my children, especially my oldest who's a federal prosecutor. so i can close my eyes and picture her and writer in situations that i lived through. it is it is pretty great. for me, so there's a lot of political intrigue in your life. what about the, this g and experience of your de when you were just an fbi agent. i mean, did you draw on murders and criminal investigations, obviously fictionalizing them, et cetera, et cetera. but did you draw yes. and i haven't yet written about anything in washington. it's a little too icky for me at this point. maybe a few years down the road, i can get to it, but i've tried to draw on real cases, real characters, and fictionalize them, but, but bring readers inside the real-world of that work. one last thing and then i have to turn to the news so you and i were talking about because i've written some novels to mine have taken place in the 50, 60s and 70s years take place today? yeah. and i told you you said you thought that it sounded more challenging for me. i'm telling you it's actually better to not have a drama where you're saying, well, why didn't he do? this call? i'm on his cell phone or why didn't she just google it and find out he's a mass murderer that made it easier for me. and then also once i realized how much more difficult technology makes writing about drama today, that now you'll understand why so many characters in movies and tv shows today and up in the middle of the desert and don't have any cell for service because because? because it really is a problem. did you find that problematic at all writing your dramas because you're in a world where you can just call the person or just google them or no, i challenge was being cool enough. i'm not a particularly cool person, so i needed my children especially to tell me that people don't really talk that way these days and they would say something it's cringe what you wrote to look that up. but i'm trying to be current and opposes its own challenges. >> all right. that's good. it's good to have editors and kids can be the toughest. yes. >> let's turn to the news of the day the jury deliberating right now, if donald trump broke the law of 34 counts gu thank whatever. i don't know how much you've been following this, but do you think based on what you know that the prosecution has made the case beyond a reasonable doubt. i do. i've tried a lot of jury cases and i know you can't fully tell even if you've been in the courtroom the whole time, but it seems to me a very strong case. i think a high likelihood of conviction, some likelihood of a hung jury, almost zero of an acquittal there was this other criminal case, stan and florida having to do with the classified documents? that's probably a matter, you know, something about i'm sure you dealt with classified documents a lot. yeah. >> both in the justice department and then separately in the fbi. >> judge cannon yesterday denied the special counsel's request for a gag order to limit the former president's ability to criticize the fbi. this has to do with people at home, i know, you know, donald trump suggesting that when the fbi agents had their instructions that they were that there was some sort of assassination plot. he didn't go that far, but some of his supporters did in any case, it was fairly standard language in st. language used when they looked into president biden's house in office is my understanding anding what's your reaction to the ruling and also to what he said about fbi agents, what he was reacting to something as you said, it's in every fbi ops order. it's boilerplate standard language his interpretation of it was so crazy and frankly, dark that you put it in your novel will be stricken by your editor because it's so nuts what's going on down in florida? it's hard for me to understand from the outside the judge denied the application, i think based on the failure of the government to adequately confer and advance with opposing counsel. and so i don't know that kid that case should have been tried long ago. it's not i don't want to attribute it to malign intention by the judge. it's most likely inexperienced and incompetence. what do you think about the way that the us supreme court has handled the request for a hearing on immunity. i know a lot of people who want jack smith's trial on january 6 to go forward or very frustrated that there doesn't seem to be any expedited way that they're going about hearing the president's arguments which some people think like that should have been heard a long time ago. >> yeah, i don't think they should be that frustrated. the court is moving for the court unusually fast and a half to answer this question, it's easy to say there's no absolute immunity, but the need to define the scope of immunity if god forbid joe biden loses in november, we're going to want to know what is the scope of a president's immunity against later criminal problem? prosecution? >> hillary clinton recently gave an interview to the new york times. she reflected on why some women did not support her in 2016. how democrats failed to protect abortion rights adequately she again, partially blame you for her defeat for reopening the investigation into her email server holding the press conference where you called her extremely careless without any formal criminal charges? she told the times quote, once he did that to me, the people, the voters who left me were women. they left me because they just couldn't take a risk on me because as a woman, i'm supposed to be perfect. they were willing to take a risk on trump would a long list of let's call them flaws to illustrate his imperfection because he was a man and they could envision a man as president and commander in chief. but what did you think? what was your response? >> we're never trying to do anything to either of the candidates in 2016, we regretted being involved. we're just trying to do the right thing given the facts that landed on us and what would you say to hillary clinton if she were here right now? >> i mean, do you feel any regret or you think she's the one that made the decisions to do xyz. >> i regret being involved all of that, but i didn't put 300,000 of her emails and anthony wieners laptop that the fbi then had to look at. and so i hated the situation, but i bear her no ill will and i get the pain she feels. i'm sure about 2016. i hope we had nothing to do with the outcome, but we were just trying to do the right thing and i still think we did the right thing. >> all right? james comey, former fbi director and author of the brand new novel, westport, available in stores now, thanks so much for vga, great to be with you to president biden expected to speak about trump's trial after the verdict. how will that play in the court of public opinions de right here? >> russia is we're trying to spy on us. we were spying on them. >> i i'm just happy friday this is a bit secret, war, secrets and spies, a nuclear game from years sunday at ten on cnn, switch to shopify. so you can build it better scale is faster and sell more much more take your business to the next stage when you switch to shopify, nail fungus is nasty. >> up the nails starts improving the appearance of fungus damage toenails in just two days. it's clinically proven formula penetrates the nail for results, you can see quickly obd-ii nail give fungus damage toenails and makeover. i started bright star care to provide 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