for the source tonight. maga flame thrower and former trump aide, steve bannon, order to surrender to prison by july 1 he could be behind bars until just before election day. with no chance of a pardon. this time, speaking of what president biden pardon his son hunter, if he's it's convicted. he just answered that question about a sons ongoing trial. >> what he said in moments and too close for comfort. >> russia is sending warships in a nuclear powered submarine, two americas doorstep. what is flawed over putin up to now? >> i'm kaitlin collins and this is the source one of the loudest voices defending donald trump is now on the verge of losing his microphone tonight at least for the next four months. that is steve bannon, the former senior white house aide, turned right-wing podcast firebrand, has just been ordered to surrender to prison by july 1st by none other than a trump appointed judge. that means voters may not hear as much from one of the biggest voices and the maga ecosystem. and that crucial stretch before election day after ben and learned his fete today, he exited the dc courthouse and went straight for the mics all of this is about one thing. >> this about shutting down the maga movement, shutting down grassroots conservatives, shutting down president trump. there's nothing that can shut me up and nothing that will shut me up. there's not a person. there's not a prison, there's not a prison built. there's not a prison built. our jail built that were ever shut me up but that's a real question tonight. actually fanon will not be able to have access to his maga microphone and prison to whip up an influence the trump base. >> he will be able to host his popular far-right podcasts from behind bars. >> you'll recall he was sentenced to four months in prison after he defied that subpoena from the january six congressional committee as did another senior trump aide, peter navarro. as we've reported, peter navarro is currently serving a four-month sentence at a federal bureau of prisons facility in miami for also stonewalling congress but you may over why the committee wanted to hear from bannon himself when it was investigating that attack on the capitol here is in part what he said that sparked that interest on his war room podcast, the de before january 6, all hell is going to break loose tomorrow. >> it's all converging. >> and now we're on as they say, the point of attack. all i can say is strap in more recently, bannon has been one of the voices who is urging other republicans to use all the tools available to them for retribution as they frame it following trump's indictments we're a group of insurgence this insurgency. >> they're going to be in prison. yes, prison of course, as we know tonight, barring some last-minute reprieve, bannon is going to be the one reporting to prison we have a slew of sources here tonight to join us, former assistant us attorney elie honig is here plus former trump white house communications director, who famously had some choice words for steve bannon once. >> anthony scaramucci, whose new book is from wall street to the white house and back also here is national correspondent for puck tino when her book is the maga diaries, my surreal adventures inside the right wing, it's so great to have all of you here, and le, steve bannon is threatening to essentially try to go to the supreme court here with this, to try to either get the dc court of appeals the district court to weigh on it as or go to the supreme court. the supreme court did not get involved when peter navarro asked for that help. what do you expect them to do here? >> they're not going to touch this. and steve bannon will be in prison, i believe as of july 1st, he's just about out of options here. now, the reason he's been now he got sentenced to four months. he was given what's called bail pending appeal. and by the way stash that term away because donald trump will be be asking for sale pending appeal after he sentenced in july. and that means what it sounds like. you get to stay out a prison until you're appeals over, but to get that you have to show that you have a substantial likelihood, potentially of winning your appeal. will bannon's losses appeal now, so he's down to the hail mary's. he can ask the entire dc circuit to rehear the case. they almost never do that. i don't think they're gonna do it here. he can go to the supreme court. i don't think they're taking it. and then he's got to surrender. >> he already had a bit of a period where peter navarro has been imprisoned for some time now the way through steve bannon has not. so i think that was also part of what factored in today. but what was also interesting is what bannon's attorney, david shown who are viewers will be familiar with said after the judge, he was arguing with the judge after he said that you do need to report july 1st, and it got to the point where judge nicholls said, quote, one thing, i think you need to learn as a lawyer is when a judge has decided you don't stand up and yell at them. let me just repeat what i said at the beginning. this is a trump-appointed judge who's deciding all of this. >> i'm going to defend david shown if i can't for a moment, i've gotten to know him just from his appearances here at cnn. i looked at what he said. it's it was after the whistle, the judge had already decided you're not supposed to do that. you're not supposed to say anything, but he didn't swear he didn't launch any personal attacks. he made an impassioned speech on behalf of his client. he was venting a little bit. it happens. i've seen people do worse. lawyers do are some core i maybe have done a little worse than that. and courtois once in a while. so i'm gonna give him a pass on this. he was speaking on behalf of his client. he was speaking to the issues he was passionate. judges. sometimes it happens, they smack you down. i'm not worried by that. >> that is scaramucci. you obviously famously had some, shall i say, colorful language about bannon during your brief stint? as the white house communications director when he was still there as the chief strategist, what do you make of bannon being told to show up to jail and less than a month well, listen. >> i said that seven years ago and just look at it was like a research report on a stock or a human being and look at this guy. but i'm just going to tell you he planned this just so you know, he thinks he's playing four-dimensional chess. he wants to go to jail so that when he comes out of jail, he can say this is lawfare all that nonsense. he was spewing in front of the court and he wants to have a retribution movement that isn't grounded and due process or isn't grounded in facts. and so that's right out of a fascist playbook. he has to be called out on that every step of the way kaitlan, but that's really what the game plan is. and he thinks he's playing four-dimensional chess hopefully he ends up in the slammer a lot longer than four months. >> i mean, you know, this world you're wrote an entire book on this world. what do you, is that how you see it? is that what he's doing here absolutely. >> this is a situation where being in prison for saying things that are political in nature, but also reflect the atmosphere and the feelings of a large part of america that january 6 was a little too overblown and just a bunch of peaceful patriots for him to be jailed for that just confirms what they believe like literally it's clout building at this point the question though for me is whether trump is actually going to swoop in and and try to help ban and out here, or at least argue on his behalf like right now, between now and july when he goes to prison, bannon is going to be showing up at a rally for a congressmen who endorsed ron desantis and trump is door saying his opponent because he doesn't like bob good at this point. so if bannon shows up to do this is trump going to suddenly have a moment where he thinks, oh, no, i really don't like steve bannon today. is he going to swoop in? i have no idea. >> yeah. that's a good question, bob. good. >> we've seen him on the show before, but bettina in this sense the maga ecosystem, if you watch to bannon's podcast, you'll see a lot of far-right lawmakers going on it. >> he targets speaker mike johnson. he's very involved in what's happening just in republican politics in an on capitol hill generally, if he is though in prison for four months, he wouldn't get out until right april for the election. and i wonder what tina, you think of that ecosystem looks like without steve bannon's voice, i think it's still survives. he has a rotating crew of people who show up on his podcast. i'm sure he could pull a couple of favors and say like, hey, matt gaetz, do you want to guess toast the pod for this week? i'm sure he'd say yes. he'll just constantly have that publishing schedule over and over again with other voices who will repeatedly say, hey steve bannon's a murder now steve bannon's a martyr now, there's not really going to be much of any publication schedule that gets shifted as for what steve bannon himself can say directly from jail. i would not know so in the first place, i don't think that's been laid out yet, but his message is still going to be out going to the number of people who ascribe to this podcast. >> if you're just looking at this, this is now a two senior white house aides who were in the west wing are regular presence had the ear of the president of the united states at that time, maybe not so much now that are both in prison and having to have these that are going to be in prison unless seabed and gets a last-minute reprieve, which elie said seems unlikely. >> and i just wonder in the world were nothing is normal. what you make of that i know this is like a weird thing to say, but just watch how this plays out. trump doesn't like this because this puts a tension on steve bannon and trump likes all the attention on himself and you may remember when steve bannon left the white house, trump call them sloppy. steve bannon they have a truce now. >> but you'd never really hear donald trump's say much about steve bad. >> and moreover, there was a book written in 2017. i can't remember the author's name, but it was called the devil's bargain and the leak was steve bannon, basically explaining donald trump was his hand puppet and steep bannon was the puppet master. and so i'm telling you, donald trump's not come to his aid donald trump lets him have his show, but he really doesn't like the attention that steve bannon is getting. and so i think this is a nightmare for navarro and a nightmare for bannon. and it's not going to end up the way they have originally intended this to end up even though trump's coming out and calling this a total and complete american tragedy. i mean, he appointed the judge in this case well, he asked to do that for the base. he's not he knows that he has to say things like that, but i don't see him stepping past a few messages on truth, social, and doing much more for steve bannon than that because i'm just telling i know trump, but he's into two things into attention for himself. and money. and it depends on what de the week he's waking up. one has the focus over the other, and that steve bannon guy eclipses them. sometimes he does not like it. >> well, and of course he doesn't have the pardon power anymore, lan. this is far from steve bannon's only legal issue. i mean, he's got an upcoming trial here in new york on the charges that he defrauded trump's supporters in this scheme to pretend to be building a wall on the southern border, which they didn't actually do he was pardoned by trump when trump was about to leave the white house. those are on federal charges. trump does have that power anymore. it also can i note the judge in that case one more, sean, the judge that we've just been talking weeks, he was supposed steep and it was supposed to be on trial in that case last month, but it got bumped for some other trial. remember what it was some other trial in front of judge merchan. get a lot of coverage. that's a bigger problem for steve bannon. actually, then the four months on content that he already has because he's charged with defrauding his own donors to this rebuild the law fund. he's looking at substantially more time than four months. if and when he's convicted in that theft case. so he's got bigger problems. one quick thing to tina's point about bannon's ongoing media enterprise. you can actually communicate quite a bit from federal penitentiaries now from the federal bureau of prisons, inmates can communicate over the phones that a lot of them now have email, believe it or not, you are given monitored emails, so i've seen people, michael avenatti has been in prison. he has been communicating quite a bit with the outside world. >> can you host a podcast? i'm looking to do logistically? yeah you don't have an angel? >> i'll tweet from prison that it says that someone else is tweeting it on his path because he's in prison is just huge caveat, right? >> yeah. i don't think they've figured out podcasting from the bop just yet, tina i just as someone who's covered this so extensively and you know, this orbit, so well from before, steve bannon was the white house chief strategist and two, when as scary he noted when he was fired to where he is now, i just wonder how you're looking at all of this i think this is a situation where the idea of who gets to be quote, unquote, martyr in the era and the time of maga gets put to the test right now. >> one of the big memes theories, what have you going through? maga voters and the america first movement is are we being targeted for our political beliefs? are we being targeted by the fbi for showing up at this rally that's why you really haven't seen a lot of other trump rallies to the scale of january 6 ever since that happened, it's because they all believe that the fbi is secretly in the crowd trying to catch them but every time a person gets put in jail for a january 6 related charge they are suddenly hailed as a martyr. trump literally throws a big rally with a choir singing about how persecuted they are and it's also ties into the rhetoric coming out of the republican party now of we are going to have retribution against democrats who are trying to put us in jail. this is a moment where a person who is definitively maga and loud about it is being put in jail. now is that going? to float among the base if trump puts his seal of approval on that line, maybe i have no idea. >> yeah, it trump was blaming the biden justice department for it tonight, though, of course, republican lawmakers who also defined a subpoena, nothing happened to them to know when it's fascinating, great to have you on the show for the first time. anthony scaramucci, elie honig is always q. and speaking of course, of democrats, that trump is calling for revenge for, he is now asking to indict the january 6 congressional committee. we're going to speak to a former member of that committee, right after a quick break? also, russia up to something sending warships and a nuclear powered submarine quite close to the united states, the white house says, is watching closely it's, like we got ourselves a bad man right here we, talked enough these territory they don't come try, you i will take from you until you are wiped clean from this leg use that much this year everyone had much needed but yeah in american saga that they blocked the road trip, everyone comfortable? 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