okay, that's uncalled for. kevin lip ttac at the white house. and this is cnn harrowing rescue joyful reunions it's rarely forces f3, four hostages from hamas captivity as gaza hospitals report this floors were killed during the mission. what more do we know? white house national security adviser, jake sullivan is next. and turnout talk both parties focus on a key voting block, suburban women, we were able to work on real solutions. are we going to empower americans to make their own healthcare decisions? >> is it enough to win in the fall due governors republican kristi noem and democrat gretchen whitmer join me exclusively, plus american way, donald trump calls for revenge as he awaits his felony sentencing. and now vice president kamala harris says his response is disqualifying cheaters don't like get caught. >> what do voters thing or political panel ways in hello, i'm dana bash in washington where the state of our union is booking overseas. >> after eight long months for israeli hostages are back home safely. >> family reunions and tears of joy after they were rescued from hamas captivity by idf forces. in a special offer ration saturday morning the rate of two separate apartments and a central gaza refugee camp took months of preparation and military spokesman said, since hamas moves hostages frequently and embeds them in areas packed with civilians like this refugee camp following reports of heavy shelling and artillery fire, gaza hospital said, more than 200 people were killed in the operation. cnn has not been able to verify claims about the exact number of civilian deaths in what was the first successful hostage rescue since february here with me now from paris where he is traveling with president biden is national security adviser, jake sullivan. thank you so much for being with me. let's start, of course, with the news about the rescue of four israeli hostages inside gaza. >> how specifically did the us assist in the mission well, dana, the united states has been providing support to israel for several months in its efforts to help identify the locations of hostages in gaza. and just support efforts to try to secure their rescue or recovery i'm not going to get into the specific operational or intelligence related matters associated with that because we need to protect those i can only just say that we have generally provided support to the idf so that we can try to get all of the hostages home, including the american hostages who are still being held so i understand that intelligence u.s. intelligence assisted. but what you say anything about us personnel, us weapons? >> well, the one thing i can say is that there were no us forces, no us no us boots on the ground involved in this operation. we did not participate militarily in this app jake, a mosque claims that other hostages that they are holding inside gaza were killed as a result of the idf's mission. >> is that true? >> we, have not seen that verified or confirmed. i believe that the israelis have said they do not have any information to that effect. but of course, that is always a risk with all of these military the operations hostages have been killed over the last eight months. and so dana, the best way to get all of the hostages home and to protect palestinian civilians is to end this war. and the best way to end this war is for hamas to say yes to the deal president biden announced and that israel has accepted which lays out a roadmap to enduring ceasefire and the return of all hostages. that's what we are driving four, and that's what we're asking the world we call upon hamas to accept are you concerned at all given what you just said that the ball is in hamas's court right now that the rescue that happened on saturday, will make it so that hamas might walk away from the negotiating table it's a legitimate question. i it's hard for me to put myself in the mindset of a hamas terrorists. we don't know exactly what it is that they're going to do but the basic bottom line here is straightforward. to bring it into this war, to get the hostages home, to get the full scope of humanitarian aid to the palestinian people in a safe and effective way, we need this still and all of the people all over the world the united states and in countries everywhere who have been calling for a ceasefire, they need to train their attention on hamas and put the pressure on because this is the way to resolve this issue. and whatever the calculus is of hamas coming out of this weekend, the reality remains the same. this is the only credible path forward and hamas should say yet any word either from hamas or through hamas's intermediaries about their stance vis-a-vis the ceasefire deal that the president endorsed. >> a little bit more than a week though since what happened yesterday well, we've heard a lot publicly from hamas over the last week. >> we've not seen any official statements since what happened with the hostage rescue operation. and the two key arab media theaters who are standing alongside the united states in this process, qatar and egypt have not yet received any official word from hamas representatives as to their stance on so we are waiting that word and it should come today. it should come this our hamas should say yes which would immediately put in place a ceasefire and immediately begin the process of bringing hostages home. this is the answer that the world is looking for. and it's time to act jake, i want to ask you a little bit more about that mission. >> and one of the questions is what we're hearing from gaza, two different hospitals in gaza say at least 236 people were killed as a part of the israeli operation to rescue hostages what is your understanding of how many palestinian civilians, not militants, but civilians were killed in that rescue mission? >> we the united states are not in a position today to make a definitive statement about that, the israeli defense forces have put out one number for the hamas-run gaza health ministry has put out another number, but we do know this data innocent people were tragically killed in this operation. the exact number we don't oh, no, but innocent people were killed and that is heartbreaking. that is tragic. the president himself has said in recent days that the palestinian people are going through sheer hell in this company conflict because hamas is operating in a way that puts them in the cross-fire that holds hostages right in the heart of crowded civilian areas that puts military and placements let's right in the heart of crowded civilian areas. but every day that we see more innocent people lost is another horrible, awful tragic de, our hearts in the united states and across the world, break for that. but there is only one answer to stop that from happening going forward. and that is a ceasefire and hostage deal that ends military operations brings the hostages home and puts us in a position to give the palestinians and opportunity for a better future for their people and last just about the mission we're you don't want to specifically say how the us was involved, which i understand. but just broadly, big picture no one can deny the amazing news of seeing these innocent civilians who were finally brought back to their families from gaza after being held there for eight months, but is the us comfortable with the way that the israelis carried out the mission look, dana, why is president biden going out publicly and calling for a ceasefire and hostage deal? >> it's because he thinks the best way to get all of the hostages home is in a deal where they're brought out diplomatically, where there's no need for military operations to get every last hostage out. that would obviously be the best solution to this in the absence of that without hamas saying yes to the deal unfortunately, we are going to continue to see ongoing conflict and military operations in which israel makes efforts to recover its citizens and frankly to recover american citizens what we would much prefer to see is a ceasefire where the hostages come out peacefully. that is available. israel has said yes to it now hamas needs to say yes to it. that's where president biden's full effort, energy and attention is. and you heard yesterday from the french president here in paris that france stands behind and that the world stands behind that and hamas should come to the table and say, yes. >> you mentioned that you are in paris. i have to before i let you go ask about the trip that you of course, the president is making to europe, marking the 80th anniversary of d-day you are soon going to be part of the g7 in italy. and the president gave us a very big speech on democracy as he's trying to frame the 2024 president presidential election here against donald trump as a discussion about the fate of democracy. do you think democracy is in jeopardy the president said in his speech that tomas, democracy is is it risks all over the world from without and from within to a greater extent now than it has been in a very long time. >> and what president biden was arguing is that those brave men who stormed the beaches at normandy who scaled the cliffs at pointe to hoc who liberated europe and literally save the world. they are calling up us to step up to do our job in our time, which is to defend democracy, to stand with allies to refuse to bow down to dictators, to push back against mr. aggression. that's what president biden is seeking to do. and that's the message that he gave here today. and it's something he will carry forward as long as he is president he said around the world is democracy at risk in the united states as part of this election what we do hear voices calling into question the basic democratic values and democratic institutions that have made our country great week for 250 years. >> and those voices have gotten louder in recent years. and that is a source of deep concern. but it's also a source of huge motor the vision, not just for the president, but for a lot of people who want to stand up to reinforce the things that have made this country great. and we've had no better reminder. >> dana than good heading to see some of those still living veterans of world war ii who came not to make any political statement in normandy he, but rather simply to reinforce the timeless values that have made america, america. >> and it's something we should all remember as we go forward. >> yeah, those were remarkable images. and reminders no question about that, jake. thank you so much for being here. i appreciate it thanks for having both the trump and biden campaign's are trying to turn a key voting blocs, suburban women republican governor kristi noem and democratic governance regine witmer are coming up the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes couldn't be higher. the president and the former president, one stage moderated by jake tapper and dana bash, the cnn presidential debate 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start with what we've heard a lot of from the former president since he was found guilty in his new york hush money trial well that is repeatedly suggesting that he would prosecute his political opponents if he is elected with part of what he said it's a terrible precedent for our country. >> does that mean the next president does it to them? that's really the question. and it's very possible that it's going to have to happen to them based on what they've done. i would have every right to go after them, revenge, just take time. i will say that as does. and sometimes revenge can be justified governor sasha message, you think donald trump should be focusing on in this campaign right now well, his message is clearly been that his only vengeance will be america's success. he is not interested in going after political opponents. he is interested in going back to the white house and working for the american people and their families please, bringing down inflation costs and that's what i'm hearing overwhelmingly here in wisconsin, is that this swing state is so important and these people here, they're number one issue right now is not that sham trial and not the verdict and the convictions and not what's going on as far as what a lot of people are talking about in the media, they care about what's happening to their families, how much grocery prices have gone up, how much better their lives were four years ago. so that, that's, that's really their number one concern. >> yeah. i mean, it's seems clear what you're hearing from voters that that is what their concern is. but it is what we heard from donald trump this week over and over and interview after interview that he is considering going after his political opponents so should he stopped doing that, given what you just said, you're hearing from voters what he said is that he's worn the american people. if we start weaponizing the judicial system like they did against him, that it could happen to any president, it could 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department is prosecuting the president's son, president biden, son is prosecuting a house democrat is prosecuting a senate democrat. so doesn't that fly in the face of the claim that the whole judicial system is weaponized against republicans i don't think anybody believes the whole, whole judicial system is, i think they see places in this country where it is a new york was certainly one of those and i don't know dana, if you read that letter from the judge in the new york city trial that came out that talked about the fact that some of these social media posts that came out before the decision and the verdicts even came out from that jury. >> so there may be a mistrial coming here because it was handled so poorly by this judge, and that's what i think that will be eye-opening to the american people as they really, truly will have proof then that that judge was corrupt. he'd never he should have recused himself according to the ethics and rules of new york. he should never have presided over that whole process. and president trump's should have never been in that section. i just want to say that those details have not been confirmed. obviously, the trial is over. so i think you're probably referring to an appeal. i want to move on to some of the politics that we're seeing in the 2024 race, specifically donald trump is actively starting to look for running mate cnn is told that there are seven potential trump vp contenders receiving vetting materials. so far you're not on that list. do you have any indication that you're still under consideration to be donald trump's running mate i've told president trump over and over again, he needs to pick whoever helps him when i have been loyal to him since the very beginning when he first started to run in 2016. >> he's told me his priority is picking a running mate that can govern on day one. that is when the loyalty him that can has experienced and run businesses knows how to be a ceo, but also supports him and his 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