top issues in the 2024 presidential election, border security. this as president biden and former president trump face off on the topic during thursday night's debate. welcome to "fox news live." i'm griff jenkins. anita, hour two. neither neither i'm anita vogel. great to be with you. new reaction still coming in to biden's performance in the first presidential debate of the year after he and trump blamed each other for the crisis at the border. c.b. cotton is live with with the very latest developments. hi, c.b. >> reporter: hi, anita, nice to see you. you know, some of the latest developments are from right outside boston where a haitian migrant, get, this accused of raping a teen girl, was just released on a $500 cash bail. check this out, corey alvarez was brought into the country last year through president biden's mass parole program which allows a certain number of people from specific countries to be granted two years of humanitarian parole. alvarez pleaded not guilty to the rape charges back in march, but during a hearing this week with, prosecutors asked a judge to keep him behind bars pending trial. instead, the judge set bail at $500 cash with gps monitoring. i.c.e. did have a detainer on awful less, but a 2017 -- alvarez, but a 2017 court can ruling found state law gave court employees no authority to hold anyone based solely on a federal immigration detainer. alvarez's attorney told the boston globe his client was given bail, quote, due to inconsistencies in the evidence, end quote. nearly three hours away in upstate new york, an illegal migrant from turkey pleaded not guilty this week to raping a teen girl in albany. prosecutors tell fox khan illegally crossed the u.s.-mexico border last year and made his way to the northeast where somehow he was able to obtain a driver's license, according to local reports. retired fbi agent nicole parker says the numbers flowing into the southern border to not allow for adequate vetting. >> well, you've got millions of gotaways, they have not been vetted, and the vetting system is virtually impossible to do. you have individuals coming across, they are, you know, coming across with documentation that they are, you know, throwing away, right, before they get to the cbp officers, and we don't know who these individuals actually are. and when you check them in the database, the tbi terrorist screening center is only as good as the information that is entered into it. >> reporter: so the new york post is reporting the house judiciary committee just subpoenaed homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas demanding he hand over several records pertaining to migrants accused of committing crimes in our country. anita. anita: all right. c.b. cotton live for us, thank you very much on that story. griff. griff: anita, a federal p federal judge's ruling on friday approved a request with from the if biden administration to partially end court oversight of care for migrant children in government custody. the judge agreed new policies set to take effect on monday meet and in some ways exceed the standards established in 1997. joining us now on set, former acting i.c.e. director and fox news contributor tom homan. tom, thanks for being here. as you and millions of americans tuned in to find out what substantive contrast there might be with the policy, president biden sought to sort of take credit for these lore numbers -- lower numbers we're seeing. here's how that exchange went. take a look. >> i changed it in a way that now you're in a situation where there are 40% fewer people coming across the border legally, that's better than when he left office, and i'm going to continue to move until we get to a total ban on, the total initiative relative to what we're going to do with more border patrol and more asylum officers. >> president trump? >> i really don't know what a he said at the end of that sentence. i don't think he knows what he said either. look, we had the safest border in the history of our country. all he had to do was leave it. griff: tom, your reaction. like, when you watched that and he's trying to take credit and, obviously, he got lost in his words there, but what did you think he's saying? >> well, first of all, he tried twice -- lied twice. when he says the numbers are down 40%, they're not. there's more gotaways. and between the chmv and the cbp1 app a, they're just bringing more in. the statement better than the trump administration? oh, my god. even if the numbers are down 40%, even if they're down 80%, they're still much more than the trump administration had. we had that 45-year low in illegal immigration. it was down 83-90% fend anding on what -- depending on what time frame you look at. he's a stone cold liar. griff: you know, when i heard that and as someone who tracks these numbers every day for fox news, they are significantly down in terms of encounters. the month of may, 170,000, lowest month fiscal year. but yet it made me wonder, we heard from this administration for three years, president biden saying that we couldn't do anything. he said i can't do -- there's nothing i can do. and yet now all of a sudden he decides -- and, by the way, we're looking now at president biden and first lady jill biden arriving to get on marine one in westhamp where he'll go to a -- westhampton where he'll go to a fund raiser. we'll see if there's any public comments. usually we don't get them when they're fundraisers. but this president said in wasn't anything he could do, but yet now he's taking credit for what he did. why didn't he do it earlier? >> you know, first, he lied to the american people. so did secretary mayorkas. for three and a half years they took no action. nothing to slow the now, right? if all of a sudden the elections are coming, right? he's hurting in the polls. now lee -- now he's going to do something. i want to be clear. what he has done, even if the numbers went down twice as high, much as he said it does, even if they're down 80%, these are still historic numbers, way beyond what trump did. so, look, he's been unsuccessful on the border. the only reason numbers are down, because they're playing that shell game, putting in different categories, and the country of mexico stepping up and doing enforcement. they don't want president trump to be president because if he's president, they're going to lock that border down which means the cartels lose millions a day. people in the mexican government lose their millions a day. mexico's doing what they can to keep joe biden in office because if joe biden was to win, mark my words, day one, you'll see the numbers climb to historic highs again because the border will be wide open. griff: with, tom, just in the -- well, tom, just in the last two weeks the result of this catch and release policy, you can see here as we watch the president getting on marine one to go to a fundraiser, in just the past two weeks teenagers raped, teenagers killed, a mother of five, the rapist and killer caught in oklahoma and and, of course, now we're learning of these two cases now in upstate new york. when is it enough, at that what point do the american people demand action is and what, more importantly, can be done to stop this map from adding more names? >> i've spoken to hundreds of angel moms and dads. every one is tragic. i'll never forget figure -- forget the stories i heard. and this administration doesn't care. president trump one wrong. he said killers and rapists come across that a border, they do. not everybody, but many do. border patrol if's arrested over 100,000 convicted criminals, already convicted in the united states. we have just around a 2 million known gotaways. they don't want to be vetted or for instanced. why? because they're criminals. they're carrying drugs. what they need to do is secure the border and do their job with. a secure border saves lives. griff: let's talk about that. you mentioned on day one if biden gets reelected, the numbers will go back up. hypothetically, if president trump wins and brings a guy named tom homan along who has a lot of experience, what do you do on day one to secure the border? >> end catch and release. put remain in mexico back in play. continue building the wall. walls work. walls save lives. look, trump policies were proven effective. it's not a guessing game. the most effective policies in the history of border security under president trump. we proved their success. turn those policies back on and finish the job. in addition to that, you need to remove those people who have been ordered removed by an immigration judge. you're going to spend billions of dollars to see a judge. if a judge says you must leave, they've got to leave. if you don't make them leave, then there's no sense in this whole system. might as a well shut down the immigration courts and take the border patrol off the border. those millions being released by the biden administration, they need to be deported. we'll make that happen. griff: the tragic thing of that map we showed of the nearly 10 cases in the past 2 weeks is none of those offenders, rapist, murderers should have been here. you mentioned the catch and release, but let mes also talk about there is the threat to american citizens, public safety and these horrific crimes. then there's the other threat to national security. we learned this past week that the isis-affiliated smuggling network is brought -- has brought over 4000 individuals -- 400 individuals into this country of which a small number according to dhs who briefed me says that, a small number of them, 50 or so roughly, are still loose, at a large in the country. i.c.e. is trying to track them down, and they could very well be suspects of concern, possible matches to the terror list. but when secretary mayorkas was at the border this week, asked the question by reporter matt finn, he said, no, no, they're not. those are -- not all 400 are suspects. here's a little bit of what mayorkas had to say. >> reporter: dhs confirms at least 4000 migrants with potential isis ties $400 -- recently crossed into the united states. >> that is incorrect. >> reporter: tell us why. >> that reporting is incorrect. we have not identified potentially 400 people with isis ties. griff: are they being honest about how much of a threat we're facing right now? >> no. and he chooses his words. there's no evidence 400 have isis ties. the follow-up question, how many do? how many do you know about? look, this is where i say told you so. the biggest issue with me on this border, this is the biggest national security threat in the history of this nation because we've got almost 2 million unknown gotaways. why do people pay more to get away? border patrol's arrested 381 on the terror watch list, how many came from a country sponsoring terror? if you think it's zero, you're ignoring the chances and the probability. look, i know -- i can't tell you how many, but someday we're going to find out, and it's going to be a bad day for america. they have yet to take a single action to secure this border. this is a national security issue. this should be nonpartisan. every democrat, republican, independent should say, okay, despite illegal immigration, this is a national security vulnerable. why are we not taking action and securing the border? griff: well, tom, thank you for coming in on saturday to talk about it, and we'll continue this conversation because i think need to continue to talk about the vetting process which clearly is deeply flawed. and don't take it from me or you, that was in the dhs inspector general report we talked about. tom homan, thanks for being here and have a great weekend. >> thanks for having me. griff: anita? anita: all right. fox news arelater now -- alert now, president biden defiantly proclaiming yesterday that he intends to win the election despite the growing list of names on the left calling for him to bow out of the race. the president and first lady jill biden are attending campaign events in new jersey and new york this weekend. madeleine rivera is live outside the white house with the very latest on this. hi, madeleine. >> reporter: hey, good afternoon, anita. the negative headlines just keep coming for president biden. this is a piece from "the new york times"' editorial board. it calls on the president to leave the race. the board making this very blunt assessment of the president's performance on thursday. the president appeared on thursday night as a shadow of a great public servant. he struggled to explain what he would accomplish in a second term, he struggled to respond to mr. trump's provocations. his appearance overshadowing the campaign's strategy to try and slam trump for the 50 lies they say he told on the debate stage. but the president made his own misstatements and had to be fact checked too like his claim that he lowered the cost of insulin to $15 a shot. insulin prescriptions are capped at $35 a month under medicare. today the president has three high-dollar fundraisers in the hamptons and new jersey. he has got to soothe the alarm among democratic donors and key voting groups that the president needs to win in november. >> my phone was ringing after the debate the other night of many black entrepreneurs saying, hey, they're done, that this is embarrassing, that that it's unwinnable. >> reporter: the campaign said it's raised $27 million between the cnn presidential debate and friday night. they see that figure as a sign of their grassroots support. as for replacing the president at the top of the democratic ticket, the process isn't impossible, but it would be messy and politically risky and, first and foremost, would require president biden to leave the race and release the tell gates pledged to him, a scenario his campaign says the president is not entertaining. anita. anita: it is going to be an interesting road to the convention. madeleine rivera, thank you so much. appreciate it. >> reporter: you got it, of course. anita: griff. muck. ♪ ♪ >> joe biden's problem is not his age, it's not his anything really, he's got no problem other than it's his competence. he's grossly incompetent. griff: that was former president trump at a campaign rally in virginia yesterday as "the new york times" is now joining the growing call for president biden to bow out of the 2024 race after his performance in thursday night's debate. christina coleman is following all of it live for us. hey, christina. >> reporter: hi, griff. many media outlets and political analysts say it's time for the president to step aside, and i wish i had a dollar for everyone time someone said do you think california governor newsom is running for president? he says he's not, but his name is floated around a lot for a possible democratic presidential contender. he's been making moves for months now, he signed a controversial gun control bill in california molded after an abortion law in texas t. he also ran abortion right ads in republican-controlled states, and if he went head to head with former gop presidential candidate, florida governor ron desantis, last year on fox. now though critics can easily slam newsom for the homelessness crisis and crime in major cities in this state including oakland and san francisco, newsom does not shy away from the cameras. he was at the presidential debate on thursday and when asked about replacing biden, he gave this response: >> this is the president of the united states running for re-election. he's our guy. that's part of the diversion tactic. this is intentional. it's complete nonsense. it's all a side show in order to create anxiety and uncertainty and to weaken this candidacy, so i'm not even plague in the fray. that's not even a question -- playing in the fray. >> reporter: we'll see. another democrat whose name keeps getting floatedded for presidential contender is michigan governor gretchen whitmer who gained a lot of national attention during so covid. among democrats she's a star. she helped flip both chambers of the state legislature blue with her fight for abortion rights and, again, she's the governor of michigan, a swing state which is critical for democrats to win this election. and we can't go without mentioning former first lady michelle obama and vice president kamala harris. both women are very popular among democrats. "the washington post" included them in a list of potential biden replacements in addition to democrat josh shapiro. he won a solid victory for governorship in 2022 in pennsylvania, a purple state, which is critical for the democrats' hopes of winning the white house this november. griff? griff: christina coleman following all of it and becoming a wealthy woman with all the mentions of her governor out there. anita? anita: still ahead, we will take a look as to why so many multiple shark attacks have happened on both u.s. coasts in recent weeks. and coming up next, fact checking the presidential debate on the economy and inflation. you'll want to stay tuned for that. ♪ my psoriasis was all over. then psoriatic arthritis. who knew they could be connected? for me, cosentyx works on both. cosentyx helps real people find clear skin. and in psoriatic arthritis, can mean less joint pain, and help stop further joint damage. serious allergic reactions, severe skin reactions that look like eczema, and increased risk of infections some fatal have occurred. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine or plan to or if ibd symptoms develop or worsen. ♪see me♪ when we're young, we're told anything is possible... ...but only a few of us go out and prove it. witness the greatness of anna hall on a connection worthy of gold: xfinity mobile. only xfinity gives you the most powerful mobile wifi network, with speeds up to a gig in millions of locations. and right now, xfinity internet customers can buy one unlimited line and get one free for a year. get the fastest connection to paris with xfinity. ♪ ♪ griff: turns out not only is rent going up for housing, but small businesses are feeling the pinch too. shop owners say the increase is risking them losing their livelihoods. fox news' kennedy hayes is in denver, look at the price hikes. >> reporter: a study from the bank of america institute found rents are are going up all across the country, being felt most by small businesses in the west where the average percentage of rent payments was more than double the national average in may. small businesses in denver tell me it's harder to keep up. >> customer has been very unpredictable, is i've been looking for a new location. it's been very difficult. rents are very high right now. >> latest data from april showed around 43% of small business owners in the u.s. were unable to pay their full rent on time. the study says the number hasn't been this high since the height of the coronavirus pandemic in march 2021. >> we're looking also at other states because there's a lot of people that are moving out of colorado, out of denver. a lot of businesses, because the price is just too the high to run business. >> reporter: up to 20 cities coast to coast have seen an increases in rent over the past year. small businesses in las vegas, san diego and washington, d.c. making some of the biggest payments. >> a lot of times businesses opt not to to deal with the rising costs. they opt simply to close. and as you walk along up the street, you will see there are storefronts changing as we speak. >> reporter: the bank of america institute explains rents are pricier largely because of inflation. >> you know, it's always on our mind of looking for another place that's maybe a little bit cheaper, maybe a little bit smaller. you don't see the buildings growing with the rent increases. say we have the air a conditioner, air-conditioning of a building from the 19800s. >> reporter: a business other than says his st