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u.s. commander -- there's this moral ambiguity, not on college campuses, the elites, there is no moral confusion here. if a u.s. commander ever suggested or ever moved troops in a hospital to hide from the enemy, they would immediately be court-martialed. they would be taken out of the command structure of the united states military. they would be court-martialed. they would be dishonorably discharged. if just one did that. with hamas, that is their strategy. we knew from the day the attacks came, they were going to go. they were going to hide behind civilians. they were going to hide in schools. they were going to hide in the hospitals. we knew that. and it's exactly, willie, what -- it's exactly what's happened. again, "wall street journal" editorial page talking about it in their lead editorial, talking about the fact that today in gaza, hamas terrorists used the same war crime tactics that isis did in the battle of mosul. only now observers rush to apologize for it. when isis was hiding in hospitals in the battle of mosul, oh, everybody said this is the worst thing in the world. now that hamas is doing it, it's not hamas that's getting criticized, it's the israeli people who are trying to root out the terrorists who are hiding in hospitals, who have their command structures in hospitals because they want to be able to slaughter, rape, burn, beat, kill, behead israelis. >> torture families of hostages. >> and torture families of hostages and get away with it, because they're like, you know what -- and hamas, you have to hand it to them. they know how cynical enemies of israel are. they knew they could rape women. they knew they could burn grandmothers. they knew they could shoot babies bodies. they knew they could burn them and then they knew they could go hide in the civilian population in gaza and the world would stop israel. they knew that. and by the way, we said that here a month ago. and that's exactly what's happened, willie. that's exactly what the world has called for. they're saying, you know what, cease fire. just let them go ahead, kill your families, rape your daughters, shoot your children, burn your grandmothers. and then just let it be. cease fire. >> and to your point, the national security council here in the united states said yesterday now for the first time publicly that, yes, hamas is hiding weapons, ammo, and people, civilians in those hospitals, putting themselves behind the civilians. the difference what you're laying out is the united states military, the israeli military, most militaries around the world, they put themselves between the enemy and the civilians. hamas, which is not an army, it's a terrorist death cult, puts civilians between the enemy and themselves to hide and protect themselves. and we should say the same thing about this question about fuel, which is direly needed in this hospital. hamas has fuel. we'll say it again. hamas has fuel. they're using it to fight this war. they're using it to attack civilians and kill people in israel. they have fuel. they could be giving it to power those generators at the hospitals so those tragic scenes of infants dying didn't have to happen so that people didn't have to be taken off life support. hamas has fuel. they just don't want to use it because they don't care about their own people. >> and what if we said here from day one, when hamas kills a jew, that's a victory for hamas. when a palestinian dies, that's a victory for hamas. and when a palestinian baby dies, because hamas holds the fuel so they don't power the generators for the hospitals where they're hiding, that's an even bigger victory for hamas. it is a death cult. willie just put it best. in the united states, our men and women in uniform put themselves between civilians and the enemy. hamas, that death cult, they do just the opposite. they put civilians between people that are coming to bring justice to them for their terrorist acts, they put civilians between them and the people that are looking for them. >> we have richard haass and many others coming up to talk about this and we'll continue our coverage. we also are going to preview the high-stakes meeting today between president joe biden and chinese president xi jinping. and we'll show you what president biden had to say about donald trump's veterans day speech where he called his political rivals vermin. ycht along with joe, willie and me, we have the host of "way too early" jonathan lemire. and u.s. special correspondent for bbc news, katty kay joins us as well. let's get back to the politics here at home. big news late yesterday, a potential government shutdown in just two days is looking a lot less likely this morning after the house passed speaker mike johnson's unconventional stopgap funding bill yesterday, larly with the help of democrats. >> huh. this is interesting. >> the two-step plan was apoved on a bipaisan vote of 336 to 95, 209 democrats and 127 republicans. huh? voted in favor ofthis. 93 -- >>id they kick the speaker out for this? >> they did not. >> that's exactly why they were going to kick kevin mccarthy out. he couldn't pass a bill with democr support. >> there was kicking and shoving, just wasn't among the democrats. >> a lot of it. >> 93 republicans and 2 democrats voted against it. the move essentially punts the republican spending fight until after the holidays. speaker johnson told reporters he was pleased with the outcome. >> your first bill, sir, how does it feel? >> get the job done. we'll do it day by day. >> any concern about the number of republican defections there were? >> we'll get our team together. >> how do you get your team together from here? >> you'll see. >> the measure does not include spending cuts or any additional conservative policy add-ones. >> wait, what? >> it does not include a supplemental package covering things like aid for israel and ukraine or additional u.s. -- >> so, so, jonathan lemire, back to "the wall street journal" editorial page, they've got an editorial saying, meet the new speaker, same as the old speaker. taken of course we won't get fooled again. let me read this for a second. because i know it brings up the question we were all asking, wait a second, if kevin mccarthy done this, he would have been kicked out as speaker. "the wall street journal" editorial page writes this, pop quiz, what's the difference between the bipartisan stopgap funding bill that passed the house tuesday under new speaker mike johnson and the september equivalent passed by former speaker kevin mccarthy? answer, nothing but the self defeating republican drama. so much for the claim that their goal was electing a, quote, committed conservative as speaker. and they finish up, the lack of rebellion gr the republican rump is welcome. it further exposes the hallow claims that mccarthy made for their october exhibitionism and that's all it was. it was sound, fury and gestures, signifying nothing but, what did we say? an attempt to get more hits on tiktok and more clicks and more $25 donations from -- you committed -- he's reallied committed. oh, they're not putting up with the bull shit going on in washington, d.c. they're going to get real conservative. what did they do? they got a guy that passed the bill, the same way kevin mccarthy passed the bill because -- and this is important for the grown ups in the room, it was the only way to pass the bill. >> yeah. there are a few things at play here. one is simply, fatigue. i think there was a sense that republicans didn't want to go through another messy couple of weeks ousting -- fighting over the speaker, potentially ousting a speaker, shutting down the government. they didn't want to do that right now. we can talk separately the wisdom of punting that fight into an election year, which they have now done. assuming this does pass indeed the senate and goes to the president for his signature. johnson, you're right. he just did what cost mccarthy his job. i think there's some sense among republicans they will give johnson some time, he's only been on the job a couple weeks. he has more maga concern. he was the author of big lie legal petitions in 2020. also with mccarthy, it was very personal with matt gaetz and ores. that's also something that led to his ouster and perhaps why mccarthy was in such a foul mood yesterday, which we'll get to, in his confrontation with a colleague on the hill. but what this does is that likely keeps the lights on for a while, but what it doesn't do, provide any aid to ukraine, provide any aid to israel, provide any border security money, provide any aid to taiwan. those will be very, very thorny issues going forward in their future frankly uncertain. >> let's bring in the co-founder of punch bowl news john bresnahan who covers capitol hill so well and so closely. john, how did this play out yesterday? how did speaker johnson get this much-needed victory that funds the government through the end of the year, at least. but in your view, what's different about this and what cost speaker mccarthy his job? >> yeah. i mean, mccarthy -- as joe pointed out and jonathan pointed out, look, a lot of these hardline conservatives they just didn't like mccarthy. they never liked him. they never trusted him. they saw him more as a political operator than as a committed conservative, where as they see johnson as -- he is a hardline conservative. he was involved in the legal cases in 2020. he's a devout christian. there's no challenging his religious beliefs. he really is a devout christian. he's one of them. and that i think helped him. but if you look at the vote from september 30th, when -- which caused mccarthy to be ousted, and the vote yesterday, it was essentially the same. there were 90 republicans who voted against that bill in september 30th and now there were 93. so, it was literally the same bill. i do think this will give johnson some more time to pass some appropriation bills or try to pass them. the senate will work on, you know, israel, ukraine, taiwan, border security package in december. they'll try to see if they can put something together and move it to the house. that will give him some room. they'll press ahead on msnbc of joe biden and possibly msnbc of homeland security mayorkas. he'll throw some bones to the right. but in terms of government funding, he's not going to be able to change the deal mccarthy cut with biden back in may. that is going to be the deal eventually they have to come to. when house republicans admit it, that's where they have to be. we'll actually be able to fund the government without worrying about shutdowns. >> well, that would be nice. katty kay, curious your take. jonathan lemire said one of the reasons this happened is they wanted to avoid the messiness of the past, the mccarthy time, and yet there were squirmishes breaking out across capitol hill, which we will show you in a bit. my god, tensions were running high. >> it's like a bunch of children up there on capitol hill at the moment. i mean, it's great that they managed to keep government open during the holiday so that people are not going to be losing their paychecks over thanksgiving and over the christmas holidays. that's wonderful news. but the fact that mccarthy was accused of elbowing somebody in the back may tell us all we need to know about why mike johnson managed to get this through and kevin mccarthy could not get this through. does not seem that mike johnson is the kind of person goes around thumping people in the back or allegedly thumping people in the back. so that's what accounts for, people didn't like kevin mccarthy. clearly nancy mace has her own issues with kevin mccarthy. felt he had promised her something on trying to protect rape victims and never done it. maybe it's as simple as that, they just didn't like kevin. john, when you look at what this leads us into and we have now the setup for the prospect of all of this having to be replayed in january, february, early in the new year, those 93 republicans who voted against mike johnson, effectively, what happens to them? i know he's calling himself an arch conservative, how many more passes are they going to give him? >> i think he gets this one. i really don't see him getting another one. i don't think they'll oust johnson even in january. i mean, i wouldn't bet on it now. where else would they go? we saw the 22 days it took to get johnson in the first place. there's no one in the republican conference out of the 221 members who could unite them and get a vote like that. there's literally no one. johnson was the least offensive across the broad spectrum of the conference. so, i think that's another thing he's got in his favor. they -- mccarthy cut a deal in may. the senate is living with the deal. biden wants to live with the deal. they're going to have to come back to that deal at some point. they have to deal with it. now, again, he's got leverage on ukraine. president really wants ukraine funding. huge problem. he could put his speakership on the line if he puts ukraine bill on the floor. he said he's going to be open to discussion about it. i mean, this is a huge, huge, globally important issue. so, we will see what happens in december. this is not just about republican infighting. what happens in congress plays out across the country and across the planet. so, you know, these are really big issues. >> yeah. and equally as big an issue, katty kay, i like your top because it matches exactly mine. we have the same top on. >> we do. >> very cute you called each other. i got to say -- >> we do that sometimes. sometimes you need it. uniformity. we're trying to build unity. >> makes it simple. >> easy in that way, yeah. >> really does. that's why i wear the clothes in the morning that i go to sleep in the night before. >> we do not do that. >> yeah. >> it's so interesting, though, again, we have mentioned it, these republicans refuse to fund the southern border. they just refuse to. joe biden has put a lot of money out to fund the southern border. a lot of money out to support israel. a lot of money out to support -- stop russian tyranny. and these republicans just say no to stopping russian tyranny, say no to supporting israel and they say no to funding the southern border. it's a real mess. >> and up next in one minute, drama. we'll show you the tense day on the hill for house republicans with a first-hand account from the npr correspondent who was there when former speaker kevin mccarthy allegedly elbowed tennessee republican tim burchett. we're back in 60 seconds. burchett we're back in 60 seconds in the u.s. we see millions of cyber threats each year. that rate is increasing as more and more businesses move to the cloud. - so, the question is... - cyber attack! as cyber criminals expand their toolkit, we must expand as well. we need to rethink... next level moments, need the next level network. [speaker continues in the background] the network with 24/7 built-in security. chip? at&t business. ♪♪ wow. look. >> isn't that pretty. >> i love the morning. >> absolutely beautiful view of that southern part of manhattan. gorgeous. >> that's new york. it's pretty in new york. in washington, well, depending on where you were, there were some ugly moments. tensions among house republicans -- >> hold on a second. hold on. hold on. >> are you going to go back to your newspaper -- so this is interesting. joe started getting newspapers. and he loves -- it's like christmas every time the papers come. he loves his newspapers. go ahead. interrupt. continue. >> remember a couple days ago, jonathan lemire, we were talking about the proper way to say i-10 on the west coast. >> yes. >> willie was not here. here is a story right now about i-10 closed. mika -- i think it was a mistake. >> no. >> i don't think she knows that you had a v to all -- the 405, right? she does not know that. so, we all learned this, of course, from tina fey in 30 rock when she took her ill-fated trip out to los angeles during the rodney king riots. but she learned that you always put a v in front of whatever. but mika said, v-i-10. did not sound right to me. jonathan lemire, you actually linked up with politico's west coast bureau and what did they tell you? >> yeah. i did a little reporting on this because just like to you, joe, didn't seem quite right to me and the "snl" skit that californians know. we're mostly there, mika. it's not the i-10 it's the 10 or the 405. drop the i. it's just the. that's how they do it in southern california. the 10 freeway which we should note will be closed for a few weeks because of the arson fire that they don't have any suspects yet. gavin newsom the governor provided update on the 10. >> so, willie was, of course, he was on -- doing some reporting in vail on monday, so he wasn't able to be with us. but willie, you would have known us because you hang out with -- >> hollywood. >> it's called the 10. >> yeah. i think we're shows east coast bias. definitely is the 10. article and then the number out in southern california. o.j. is moving slowly up the 405. like that kind of to give you an example. >> thank you. >> we should have this conversation in the fourth hour for our west coast viewers. >> or maybe not. >> there's some up right now. hi, san bernardino. >> good education on west coast lingo. tensions among house republicans spilled over yesterday when former speaker kevin mccarthy allegedly elbowed one of his colleagues who voted to remove him from his position last month. >> can't do that. >> 5 years old? while being interviewed after a conference meeting tennessee republican tim burchett says he was hit from behind by mccarthy. he initially apologized, thinking he had been in the wrong, but then chased mccarthy down the hall to confront him. npr congressional correspondent claudia captured audio of the altercation. take a listen. >> i think it went all right. >> yeah. >> sorry, kevin, didn't mean to elbow -- whooid you elbow in the back, kevin? hey, kevin! you got any guts? jerk. >> has he done that before? >> no. >> huh, that's a new move. hey, kevin, whooi you walk by me and elbow me in the back. the reporter said itight there. what kind of chicken move is that? you're pathetic man. you are so pathetic. >> thank you, tim. >> and npr's claudia joins us now. that happened right in front of you. and they knew that you were the middle of an interview. >> it's kind of like -- >> you were rolling. >> it's kind of like working the middle school cafeteria except these are the people that lead our country. tell us about it. >> yeah. it was very stunning. this is a tradition tuesday mornings when republicans meet in a nearby conference room in the basement area. and we often talk with members as they pull off to the side of this hallway. burchett had done the same, came to the side to talk to me. he said one sentence to me before he was shoved. he lurched into me. we were about two feet apart. he probably lurched about a foot in front of me. so it was just a very shocking moment. i look over, it's mccarthy and his detail. they are not stopping at all during that entire confrontation. mccarthy is looking back to respond to burchett and deny it and chuckling at one point when burchett was saying you're a pathetic man. i cannot believe i just saw that. >> from your view, it was a little shot from the former speaker to burchett. >> he was shoved. and because he lurched into me. and also, it was clear to me, i thought, initially it was a joke. but then a few seconds pass before i realize, this was not a joke at all. >> as you said, mccarthy later on even denied giving what burchett described as a shot to the kidneys. the tennessee republican not backing down from his version of events. >> i did not run and hit the guy. i did not kidney punch him. i did not do anything like that. >> you didn't shove him. >> no. if i would hit som

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