evening now, good we would have more on how she, find what is going on with the hospital with a reporter that you and i both, and who has been to that hospital, and reported their extensively. our own -- that is later on in the hour -- >> thank you my friend, and thanks to you at home for joining me this hour. i want to start tonight with what i think is an incredibly good point made yesterday by a republican congressman, a member of the freedom conch conference. no less here is what texas conservative chip roy had to say, to his colleagues. >> one thing, i want my republican colleagues to give me one thing, one that i can go campaign on and say we did. . one! anybody sitting in the complex, you want to come down to the floor it can explain to me one material, meaningful, significant thing the republican majority has done, besides well, i guess it's not as bad as the democrats? >> congressman roy is correct on two fronts here. first off, the republican -controlled house of representatives has done next to nothing of substance this year. second, the republican -controlled house is not as bad as the democrats, it's much much worse. this is on track to being the least productive congress since the great depression. that is how few actual laws have been passed, they can't even pass the basic spending bills to keep the government running. it is just an endless cycle of crisis and can kicking down the road. so when the history books are written about this congress, what will it be remembered for? will it be remembered for the 15 votes it took for republicans to elect kevin artists beaker of the house? or how just ten months later, he became the first house speaker it american history to be ousted from that role, only to be replaced by someone who most people, including congresspeople, had to google? congressman mike johnson. or, will it be remembered for the fact that disgruntled former speaker kevin mccarthy is now allegedly bodychecking his republican frenemies in the hallways? or maybe, this republican congress will be remembered for the wild hearings they have held to err baseless conspiracy theories. here is louisiana congressman clay higgins yesterday, pushing the idea that the fbi was behind the january 6th insurrection. >> if you are asking whether the violence at the capitol on january six was part of some operation orchestrated by fbi sources, and or agents, the answer is in fact. ugly >> no. >> you saying? no >> violence, orchestrated -- by >> or agents. >> are you familiar with, you know what a ghost vehicle-less? these buses are nefarious in nature, and were filled with fbi informants, dressed as trump supporters. >> ghost buses. yes, there are plenty of options here for the history books. but there is one story, one member of congress really, that perhaps best reveals the way in which this congress, this republican led congress is less about legislation, less about, work less about actual governance, governance. and really, quite simply just about personal gain. and that is the story of new york congressman george santos. mr. santos rose to fame and congress as a serial fabulist. he lied about his mother dying from cancer, she got in one of the twin towers on september 11th. and, about his grand plan parents fleeing the han holocaust. and, about losing employees at the pulse nightclub shooting, and about being mugged on his way to deliver his rent, and about his roommates burberry scarf that he wore and ironically to a stop the steal rally. and, about being a star volleyball player at a college he didn't actually attend, and all being a producer of the broadway musical spider-man turn on the dark. and, about $3,000 he stole from a veteran's dying dogs gofundme page. george santos lied about all of that. and then, there were the myriad financial crimes that santos was allegedly involved, and everything from ponzi schemes to credit card skimming. and yet, despite all of that, his republican colleagues refused to show mr. santos the door. but, what happened today might finally change that. today, the house ethics committee released its report on santa's's alleged election related financial crimes. and, there are allegedly a lot of them. the house ethics committee alleges that santos got his hands on campaign cash through a variety of schemes, he allegedly pretended to loan money to his campaign so he could be reimbursed. and, created shell companies that his campaign would then pay, for expenditures like ads that didn't actually exist. he also allegedly got people to donate directly to those shell companies, but their donations would go towards helping santos's campaign. and, what the house ethics committee alleges that money actually went towards, is incredible. $6,000 worth of purchases at fara gano. $4,000 worth of purchases from hermes. more than $2,000 spent at resorts in atlantic city. more than $3,000 spent in a week and at the hamptons. an 800 dollar cash withdrawal from an atm at a casino. $1,000 cash is taken from an atm near santos's apartment. purchases on the adult entertainment website onlyfans. and multiple, more than 1000 dollar charges on the campaign debit card for botox. >> nice work if you can get it. now the republican chairman of the house ethics committee says he will file a motion tomorrow to expel mr. santos from the house, it is unclear if that motion will pass. santos himself has not resigned, but he has said he will not seek reelection. he has already been charged by the eastern district of new york with allegations including wire fraud, falsifying fcc records, and aggravated identity fast. but he is has pleaded not guilty to all of those charges. but santos's campaign treasurer pleaded guilty last month, for her role in one of his at alleged financial schemes. and just two days ago, one of santos's former fundraising aides pleaded guilty to a federal wire fraud charge in another alleged scheme of santos's. but as of this hour, george santos maintains he is innocent. and he remains, very much a member of the house republican conference. joining me now is the ranking member on the house ethics committee, which wrote today's report pennsylvania democratic congressman susan wild. congressman, wild thanks for being here. i'm interested to know how complicated it was to untangle these alleged financial crimes, or was it fairly out in the open? well, thank you alex for having me. and, let me just say, the first thing i have to do is give a huge shout out to an incredible staff of lawyers and other staffers on the ethics committee, who have spent months going through and unraveling, as you say, the evidence in this case. it is truly a phenomenal amount of work, and effort, that went into this report. and i am glad that it has now been made public. >> and i encourage everybody to read the report, which is available on the internet. i would love it if you could sort of characterize your thoughts about the scope of this fraud. i mean, to the layperson, it is a staggering amount of deception. but i wonder how you would characterize it? >> well, not just to a lay person, alex. it is a staggering amount of deception to anybody. and you know at the beginning, you mention, you went through a whole lot of his lies that really don't bear on his performance as a congressman, or anything else. but there is also, and you mentioned some of them, a litany of deceptions that were carried out, actual crimes involving sending money to himself fruit shell companies, and to donate to these companies, and lying on his campaign finance reports, and all kinds of things that really, really make him unfit for office. and, i think it is our responsibility on the ethics committee, to first of all, i'm a big believer in good government. i believe that, it makes me sad that americans generally have a poor impression of congress. and let me tell you, people like george santos don't help that situation. so i'm really proud to be on the ethics committee, which by the way is a completely bipartisan committee, an equal number of democrats and republicans. every single thing we get in connection with the santos investigation and the investigative subcommittee, and eventually voting it out of committee so that it would be published, was a unanimous vote of democrats and republicans. that essentially what, because that doesn't happen a whole lot in congress. but,. i think that it is our responsibility not only to the people of new york three, his district, but to the rest of the country, to make sure that people like this are not serving in congress, and not serving in any kind of position of public trust. and that when they somehow managed to make it through a campaign and get elected, that they are ferreted out, and eventually expelled. and that i think is what you're going to see happen, after thanksgiving. >> do you think george santos is going to be in congress by next monday? >> by next monday, yes. because a privileged resolution such as the one that the ethics chairman michael guest, a republican, intends to file. it has to be voted on within two legislative days. congress will not be back in session until the tuesday after thanksgiving. so, i believe. well, tomorrow there is a pro former session, and my understanding is that mr. guest will be introducing that resolution tomorrow, which means by my calculations that it will have to be voted on by wednesday, following thanksgiving. do i expect it to pass? i do. i have spoken to a number of people, who have voted no on prior motions to expel, or to censure mr. santos. all of them are now a yes vote. >> well,. >> and we should add,. let me just add, members of the ethics committee often vote present on such things, because we want to give the appearance of complete -- and that we are not in any way biased against somebody who comes before. us but, the work of the ethics committee is now done, there is nothing more to come before us. and, my understanding is that all of the members of the ethics committee will be voting yes on expulsion. >> congresswoman susan wild, ranking member of the house ethics committee. thank you so much for your time, and the latest on all of this. >> thank you. >> i want to bring into our conversation here, melissa murray, professor of law of and why you, and an msnbc legal analyst. melissa, thank you for joining me, as we pour through which is just a litany of alleged malfeasance, if not outright crimes. from a legal perspective, when you hear about. this i, mean there is a reason we went through all of the insane things george santos live, up and also the substantive, potential crimes. they seemed to, he's a character, it's an indication of his character, the sort of fabiola is a mom that would lead person to allegedly do things that are describing the house ethics report. but from a legal perspective, what are the implications of this, that is all being referred to the doj? >> so as you say, the event diagram here is very strong. you know, a lot of the information that was discussed in this very scathing ethics committee report could translate very easily, into federal crimes. there is already an indictment that is pending against george santos, first for 13 counts. and then there, was an additional ten counts, and a superseding indictment. it is very likely that there could be yet a now they're superseding indictment. it is very likely that there could be questions are raised about campaign finance laws that have been violated, the federal election committee could be involved. so, this goes beyond simply censuring or disciplining, or even expelling a member of congress. like, there are real legal viability exposures here. >> i am stunned by the degree to which. you know, we hear the term campaign finance violation, with some regularity in american. if this is a different order of magnitude entirely. the fact that santos thought, not only tried, but really got away with it, up until this point it seems. i mean, what does that tell you about our campaign finances in america? >> well i, mean we have already seen, we've got the campaign finance system that's broken. we have seen this citizens united, the flood of dark money into our elections. i mean, this is sort of more of the sane same, like a little bit more granular, using campaign finance funds in order to fund your own, especially lavish lifestyle, all that is a problem. but, beyond campaign finance, we should also talk about the way in which we have for years heard the republican party talk about rampant vulgar voter fraud, and electoral front. and here we have an example of actual fraud on voters. george santos won his seat, flipped his seat on these claims that were later, with a little sleuthing, we're determined to be false. that is fraud, on the voters. i mean that is actual election fraud. and now we find out that not only did he lie to the voters in order to gain his seat, he has been actually funding his lifestyle, the ethics committee is found. this and it is very likely that some of this would make its way into a court of law as well. so i mean, that to me is the most damning. if you want to look toward it literal fraud, i mean here it. is >> exactly, look no further than one of the votes that are keeping republicans in power. i do have to, ask in the context of the ethics concerns we have had lately, at the highest echelons of american government. we are talking about clarence thomas and his 250,000 rv loan, the payment of private school for an individual he had in his care. the purchase of his mother's home by wealthy patrons. here you have george santos, running a grift whereby people are diluted and deceiving to believe the money they are sending a forest campaign, when it's really to buy farragut shoes and get botox. >> i mean, how critical is it that. i mean, let me rephrase that. how much can expelling george santos give americans confidence that the system is not broken, it is not rigged, that is not really a remake isn't for grift. >> so i think george santos is only a drop in the bucket. here and expelling george george santos from congress, events finding and convicting him or finding him guilty of any of these crimes, that just a drop in the bucket. it is not going to restore american confidence in congress, among all of the political branches, they have the lowest ratings among americans, although the supreme court is not a political branch, but one that has increasingly seen its stature with the american public fall over this, use for all of the reasons that you suggest. but americans are at the point i think, where there are little skeptical of government. and i think representative wildes's statements were really at, she believes in good governance. i think americans want to believe in good governance as well. this undermines any feeling that government is working for the. people instead, it seems it's working for some of the people, and some of those people may actually serve in congress. >> and she was really drilling down on the notion of this is a bipartisan committee, a bipartisan decision, and it feels imperative that this decision to expel santos -- especially because the supreme court, which you point, out which i have been concerned about, they seem the desire to have the court hold itself to a high, rigorous standard seems to be a partisan decision, in this day and age. >> again, there are lots of partisan concerns here. those questions i think loom large. i also think they loom large over the question of whether not to expel george santos. i mean yes, this feels good in the moment, like he is clearly someone who does not deserve to be in congress, if these allegations are to be believed. but, if we are in the business of expelling individuals from congress, it could easily be turned about to people with whom we don't agree, who make statements until -- and so, i think those who have urged caution and expedient down the expulsion route, i think that's fair and worth thinking about but the. point of the matter is, this is someone who should not have been in congress from the jump, who lied to get their. and now, we are just seeing the sweater has woven, -- that simply unravel before. ice >> i would call it like a giant onesie. and what's better than a sweater and a blanket >> exactly. melissa murray, thank you as always my friend, it's good to see. >> good to see. >> much more tonight, including donald trump's unrelenting attempts to buy more time before he has to go to trial, and the judge who may be willing to help him. but first, what a second trump administration could mean for immigrants in this country, and what might be done about. if i will talk with president biden's principal deputy campaign manager about all that, coming up next. coming up next there are some things that go better... together. burger and fries... soup and salad. like your 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