but, did call it a sacred mission to do so. these new comments are coming, as we are seeing a whole lot unfold on the ground there as well, over the last 24 hours or so, including residents fleeing parts of southern gaza today, under a warning to do so from israel, as the idf strikes on the southern city of -- in announces what they call expanding operational activities. we're going to have a live report from jay gray in tel aviv, in just a moment. we want to start first though, with ambassador dennis roth, counselor at the washington institute for near east policy. msnbc foreign affairs analyst, he was the -- on the peace process in the clinton administration, and was instrumental in assisting israelis and palestinians to reach an interim agreement in 1995. ambassador, thanks for joining us on, this inflation. i have wanted to speak to you, ambassador, throughout this entire conflict. i'm so happy that you are joining us this hour. i want to talk first about this new op-ed out from the president. we know last weekend, prime minister benjamin netanyahu essentially said indefinitely, israel will control the security of gaza. the president now has a new op-ed, out in the washington post, that says the epa should have governing power over gaza. what do you make of this step being made by the president and his administration, to speak out about the future of gaza, and who will govern? >> well i think the president is focused on the reality that the israelis don't want to stay in gaza, and they don't want to stay in gaza, so someone has to be responsible for governing it. and there's a simple reality, the palestinian authority at this one has a hard enough time governing the west bank, it is highly discredited, it is very corrupt. there needs to be reform, and revitalization. and the president talks about ultimately, the epa being more responsible back in gaza. in a sense, i would underscore the word ultimately. in time, the p.a. should come back. they are not going to come back right, now they are not going to come back on the back of israeli attacks, that would completely discredit them. there does need to be some kind of intermitted ministration, so that when israel withdraws from gaza, you don't leave it like a rack. and that interministerial have to have an international mandate so that it has credibility, no one's going in at a point where hamas is still in control, or where hamas is in a position to resist. and so, israel will i think continue to act to ensure that gaza, hamas is weakened to the point where it is no longer in control of gaza, and it is not in a position where can can prevent others from coming in and managing it. i think the point of the palestinian authority coming back in time, is fully legitimate. and part of the reason being i, think part of the reason why the administration, the president was saying that the p.a. must be there, is that the arab states want to know that at some point, there will be a two-state outcome, and for there to be a two-state outcome, politically, the west bank and gaza have to be reunited. they have been divided since june of 2007, when hamas carried out a coup against fattah and the p.a.. so at some point, you bring back the p.a.. anyone who says you can bring the epa back now is kidding themselves, because they wouldn't come in even if they could. and secondly, they are not strong enough at this point. there needs to be thorough going reform. we have seen such reform before when -- was brought in in 2007. and, i think we can see that again. what's different i believe, is that arab states are much more open to helping to create that reform, and revitalization process of the palestinian authority in the west bank. seeing that as necessary, and really as a precursor for being at some point able to come back into gaza. >> what do you mean by international mandate? what does that look like? who leads, and who institutes it? >> excellent question. my preference would be to have a u.n. mandate. there is no way if the u.s. were to suggest a u.n. mandate for, the administration and peacekeeping presidents. and we have done that in other places -- after the cameras in cambodia, that's precisely what was done. but if the u.s. were to present to the security council, you have the security council, an initiative for a u.n. mandate, and a u.n. shaped administration, the russians would veto it. if the arab states or to present this as an initiative from them, the russians would not veto it. so what i would like to see is an international umbrella, some kind of u.n. mandate. i would like to see palestinian technocrats be the ones who have day today responsibility for the establishment of an administration in gaza, free of hamas. i'd like to see international forces, and they could be from the region as well like morocco, maybe kenya. i'd like to see a major attempt at reconstruction in gaza, tied to not only demilitarization, but primarily demilitarization. i think a country like canada, that has a lot of experience in post conflict situations could help manage that reconstruction process, and ensure that the materials go for that intended aims. i think there is a way to do this, i think there is a way to put together a very intensive act of diplomacy. but it also depends on israel i think succeeding to the point where hamas is weakened enough, where they can't resist anybody from the outside coming in and managing what amounts to a new administration. >> so if canada manages the reconstruction, who pays for it? >> i think you're going to see the gulf states. i think you're going to find the saudis, the emiratis, the countries who have provided so much material support to hamas, and hamas is so heavily responsible for what's happened in gaza. the countries ought to be prepared to help rebuild a gaza without hamas in control. given how much money they have given to hamas in the past, which has produced which is a very significant military infrastructure, which the israelis are going about right now in dismantling. >> prime minister benjamin netanyahu has been unwilling to accept a future of a two state solution up until this point, we know historically since he's been in power over the last two plus decades. what do you do with that? at first i think there is going to be a political reckoning for israel. you had the worst day in israel's history, on october 7th. and this was a strategic collapse, a colossal intelligence failure. the military was unprepared as well. the reality is there will be a reckoning within israel, as to responsibility. it will effect obviously the security and intelligence, but there will be a political upheaval as well. the political reality as we have seen today in, israel are likely to be the reality is we will see cisse, 6 to 9 months from now. i just think, even i would say with prime minister netanyahu, people forget that in the spring of 2000 and, nine he gave a speech at -- where he said he would accept a two state outcome, a palestinian state. he wanted it to be demilitarized. you know, it seems to me a, it will have to have the political reckoning in israel. and be, i would also say we've never really seen a systematic debate in israel, over what the relationship of the palestinians should be. that debate, i think is going to come, precisely because of what we have seen, what's happened in gaza the shock of october 7th. this is still a country that is suffering a trauma, from october 7th. we have 150,000 israelis who are not able to move back to their houses. so, this is not, we see everything going on in gaza, and it is a human catastrophe there. but there's a tendency to forget, we have 150,000 israelis who are not able to go back, and live in their homes. and they won't, until there is not only security, but a sense of security as well. >> ambassador dennis roth, thank you so much for talking to us, we appreciate it. >> when. >> all right, i want to get the latest on this news conference as well going on right now from israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu and other officials. -- live for us on the ground in tel aviv. j if you, will walk us through we have been hearing from? yeah and jasmine, it's interesting pulling off what we just heard from the ambassador about the politics here. prime minister netanyahu was pushed several times on the politics of what's happening, and if he feels like he should step down, or if he feels that there should be changes within his cabinet, and he refused to talk about it. he said that they were engaged in war right now, and that the time for those politics and the reckoning would come. but it wouldn't be at this point, they are focused on the ongoing war. he continued to say what he said for really the better part of the month now, that they are focused on three things, and three things in this order. eliminating hamas, finding and returning the hostages, and making sure that hamas is never a threat again. saying at one point that they are going to ni a late hamas. he did talk a bit about the hostages, the negotiations are ongoing, and he says any rumors that are out there about the number of people that are going to be released, any type of deal that may be in the works, are just that, rumors. but, that they continue to negotiate. and we have been told that those negotiations are going on continuously. and so, that is something that they continue to work on here. and he talked about having constant contact with the u.s., and how important the support of the u.s. is, as they continue to move forward. so, that is something that he has said repeatedly. it is something that he is counting on, as this now extends, and has a movement on the ground begins to translate as well. >> jay gray for, us thank you jay, appreciate it. coming up in just 60 seconds, an explosive end to elon musk's latest spacex launch, we will be right back. be right back. the subway series is getting an upgrade. the new #33. the teriyaki blitz. with double cheese and teriyaki-marinated meat. it's like a perfect steak spiral in the double cheese coverage. if you say so, peyton. who knew the subway series could get even better? 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and, why the second flight test it failed? >> yeah well, that is what we are hoping to learn. spacex is going to be conducting an investigation overseen by the faa to get to the bottom of this. but i will tell you that spacex is not calling this a failure, they are calling it a success, because this launch went even much better than the first one, which barely made it off of the ground, before they had issues, and they had to detonated. but we saw a similar situation we saw play out today. the rocket went up, it separated, so that part did get fixed. but ultimately, they lost contact with the starship, about ten minutes into the flight. and they believe that both the upper part of the starship and the lower part experienced a rapid, and scheduled disassembly. so basically, it exploded mid air. and that is the question that we are trying to get to the bottom of. but spacex has said that they are going to be looking at the data and the information, that they will then collect from this. and, that that will help to inform the future flights. and this is so important, because nasa wants to use this spacecraft as part of its 2025 moon missions. and that was certainly felt, the importance of this moment, even though it didn't go the way it did, by the folks who came out very early in the morning to see this actually take off. it was quite an experience with the ground rumbling, as that rocket launched into the air. i want to play a little bit about what the folks who sought here in person had to say. >> it was a once in a lifetime opportunity. it was amazing. >> what do you think? >> i like the explosion. >> so, starship is one of my favorite rock, it's because it's a rocket going to mars, and i think it's the future of space and everything. and so, i think if they can really get that, i feel like it will be cool. and they are launching a lot of starlinks, which are satellites elevate, and they can carry like two times more than the falcon can. >> future astronaut there, the last little boy that you heard from. but, an exciting day for spacex and for all of the folks here. but also, an important day, as they continue to work on this rocket. just to give you a sense, it is massive, it is nearly 400 feet high, the largest, most powerful rocket with some 39 engines on it, that all have to be working in sync for an order for this to work. and so no doubt, spacex will be working on, this and potentially scheduling a another launch to see if they can make it through that 90 minute flight. and this is going to be important, because right now these flights are -- but as i mentioned, the goal is to have astronauts on a flight, including the first woman astronaut slated for 2025. and so, it is a very big deal what is happening here, yasmin. >> priscilla thompson for us, thank you priscilla, appreciate it. still ahead, what is the biggest danger to the world in 2024? 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