hour of ayman, hate and vulgarity and disrespect. donald trump's dangerous rhetoric is present new concerns about real world political violence and his authority or intendancies. plus, hunter biden fights back, during house republicans to let him testify in public. and so long, santos. the embattled congressman finally gets the boot. i'm ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. ♪ ♪ ♪ it seems like donald trump just can't stop. or perhaps won't. donald trump's language on the campaign trail is getting more dangerous all the time. and as we have documented on the show regularly, his supporters take his warts to hurt. here is just a small taste of the vitriol that the disgraced ex president has been spewing levy to his supporters. >> this is a sickness of papal that needs to be cleaned out immediately. get them out. very simply, if you rob a store, you can fully expect to pay shot as you are leaving that store. [applause] shot! we pledged to you, that we will root out the communists, marxists, fascists, and the racaleft thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country. >> as the bulwark john lawrence puts it, trump rallies have become deterrence and hateful, garrett, in disrespect. lawrence top the former president the worst le model in the history of american politics, and his rhetoric offers chilling previews of what dangerous could lie ahead in a second trump term. and a recent interview with univision, the former president suggested, should he win a second term, he would use the fbi and justice department took after s opponents, saying, in part, quote, if i happen to be president and as somebody -- say somebody who is doing well and beating me very badly, i said, go down and indict them. at be out of business. that be out of the election. now there is always, also, that bombshell washington post reporting from earlier this month about trump's threat to invoke the insurrection act on day one of his second term. which would allow him to deploy the military against civil demonstrations. autocracies experts have long sounded the alarm over trump's praise for foreign dictators and his preferred disdain for democratic ideals right here at home. but now, they say, the former president increasingly intense focus on perceived internal enemies has actually pushed him even more and a lot with other dangerous totalitarian leaders. take a look here at to people have had to pick the brunt of trump's attacks in recent weeks. the new york judge presiding over trump's civil fraud case and his law clerk. in a recent violent detailing what court of appeals described as a, quote, deluge of threats targeting the pier include hundreds of threatening and harassing voice mail messages. those messages came directly after trump repeatedly pushed it above the judge and the clerk on his failed social media site. and despite this, trump hasn't slowed down, hasn't rolled back any of his criticisms. in fact, he's only continued them in recent days. doubling down on his insults begins the pair. and now even going after the judge's wife. on social media. here is how front of the show and authoritarian explore truth been quiet described trump's overall strategy. and an obvious one of the human and people, so the public will not have as much of an outcry and the things that yount to do. let's remember, that is the real issue here. the action thatcould come from trump spor a real. a recent poll found of republicans agree with this following statement. american patriots may have to resort to violence in order to save the country. and that is -- up five points from 2021. robert payne who studies politicalencet the university of chicago said, heat worries those numbers could for cost danger on the horizon and 2024. quote, the water looks calm on the surface, but their turbulence just under that waterline. and anymore, it doesn't take much to set it off. where we are hating is a tinderbox. here to discuss this is for not a money, paula ramos, any of winning journalist and him as a -- contributor, and carroll lenny -- msnbc legal analyst. great to have you here. paula, altar with you. trump's rhetoric on the campaign trail, getting uglier, more threatening, more vulgar. has it always been like this or get you see it now crossing a new threshold? >> it's always been like this. and it's just getting worse. i've seen this play out, we all have. i've seen this play out on the ground for the last five years. i've seen the way those boards have really fundamentally transformed a segment of the population, radicalized them completely. last five years, i've seen pastures become christian nationalists. i've seen men that have turned into anti-trans creators. i've seen immigrants turn into border vigilantes. i've talked to many mobs that have group into moms for liberty, and to prove this point, it's because these words have the capacity to do so. completely dangerous. the ability to dehumanize others. perhaps the difference is in 2016 trumpism was about dehumanizing emigrants. it was about treating emigrants as the enemy for everyone. and now trumpism is about dehumanizing absolutely everyone that is against him and is against democracy. and i think that's the fundamental problem we're up against. it's understandable or at a point where political violence is normalized. if you look at the fbi data, you understand also hate crimes are on the rise. because we're seeing the fusion of the rhetoric. and the question, is what's the next day? we saw january 6th. how much are people willing to go for donald trump? that's really scary question to pose and take seriously. >> rnan i want to get your reaction to what the former defensive counuck hagel had to say about trump'srent behavior. he told the new york times, quote, it is too simplistic to reference him as a neo-fascist or autocrat or whatever. trump is trump and he is no particular philosophy that i've seen after four years as president. and i'm not sure how to parse. that whether he's downplaying trump were saying he's singularly unique and he's been able to encompass all of the threats under his own vision of totalitarianism that, is as paula was just, a four-month trumpism. but what do you make of these comments? do you agree that trump is in a lead of his own here? >> first, shame on chuck hagel for those normalizing of the abnormal comment. it is exactly that type of pooh-poohing of what we are all seeing and hearing and feeling in our guts, in our bones, and between our ears about what is happening. where in a moment for american democracy, because in six weeks or less than six weeks, voters are to look to start voting in these early states. if donald trump wins iowa and new hampshire, right now the poll shows he's going to win both illustrates, no one's really mounted a serious challenge to his standing in those two states. he's going to be the republican nominee for president. the difference between a donald trump second administration for the first trump administration, this is what are even more irresponsible and shameful are because donald trump has learned that lessons of what guardrails existed in the first term. if he goes into the second with this rhetoric, it is seat planting fascism. he's planting the seeds now, in an environment he knows he will be able to enforce but if god forbid he manages to regain power, it will be a different moment. he'll be able to weaponize words into action. and it's going to be without the guardrails of the forest administration. because none of those who stood up and worked within the trump administration to at least slow down will be around next time. we're in a very dangerous moment. that's what words like hey girls cannot be tolerated. all of us who love this country, this democracy, need to call this out for what it is. a fascist movement to american democracy led by donald trump. >> carol, as i mentioned, a few moments ago, trump has reportedly tried to vote the insurrection act against protesters, should he retake the what house, and to fernand's point, he's learned what i guardrail is. so a second trump presidency, we have a better chance of manipulating them or outright blasting through those guardrails. and that is a good example, because that act which was crafted in our nation's infancy, actually allows the president to call on reserve or active duty military units to respond to threats in the state. and it's an authority that is not reviewable by the courts. so when we go back to god rails, are there any guardrails in place to prevent the exploitation of that act frumpy it used, if trump is reelected? >> as you noted,, amen there are not many guardrails. the insurrection act stands intention with, or it's an exception to, the possible -- which says you can't use federal military forces to deal with civilian unrest. . and that's what most people think. but the insurrection act is an exception to that. and there have been calls that this 150-year-old statute needs to be revisited and tightened up a cause it came to pass in a time when our nation was very different. it's not this kind of nation now. and donald trump has indicated his willingness to see when and how he can use that, to put them in the unrest that he may cause because of his views about institutions that underlie our democracy. so it is a very, very dangerous situation. >> paula, as the rhetoric and the threats rise, people are leaving election jobs in record numbers. that comes as no surprise, considering that recently election workers in five states received fentanyl laced letters. they are coming under threat, they're coming under attack. what kind of strain could this political environment, both with the rhetoric and the real world consequences of what we're seeing, due to our electoral system? >> i think we're seeing it play out right now. it is an extremely dangerous position to be. and but i have to, say i think this is less about trump at this point, and this has to do more about us, the un-american people. that's the way i'm seeing the election right now. we know what it can do to election workers. we know that authoritarianism can happen in this country. we know that we are not immune to a coup. we know what trump will do. he's already told us. and we know, if he wins, he won just govern. he will do it with more revenge, more rage. he will do it with more authoritarian powers. so it is now upon us, the american people, to understand how much do we truly value democracy,? right and i keep thinking about this, about this point study that came out in 2020. i have to say, it's shocking to think about it now. in 2020, after the election, there was a study on latinos. latinos at that moment believed they were more worried about democrats embracing socialist and leftist policies then they were about the trump -- republican party embracing fascism and anti democratic policies. that shows us there is a problem. we have to be clear about what's happening in this country. yes, perhaps, in less than a year we can have an authoritarian figure at the white house. we have to be extremely clear about what's happening. >> carol, trump has, as we have been talking about on this program and others, trump has targeted our country's legal system with attacks against the integrity of that judiciary. he's brought against prosecutors, judges, law clerks. how dangerous is that kind of behavior from a man to find himself back inside the white house? and basically in charge of so many aspects of our legal system? >> it is important to recognize that what donald trump is doing. he is playing a game that has really nothing to do with the way our legal system functions. he's setting things up so essentially he can't lose, regardless of the outcome all these trials. if he wins, and he's won. if he loses, then it's because the entire institution is corrupt and unfair. that's the way he is setting it up. and the judges are, you know, there was a time when i thought, well, everything that goes through that legal system is very measured and we have to process and things will go a long fear their normal course. but judicial patience is wearing a bit thin with donald trump. and there is probably no better example of that then the appellate decision out of new york state, reinstating the gag order. they didn't even write an opinion that explains their reasoning. they just, said we have seen the papers, we have seen the evidence here, that the parties have put forward. and that gag is reinstated. so this is going to be a bit of a struggle, with both sides. because donald trump is learning, he's testing, the judicial system to see him for a can. get federal judges have life tenure to insulate them from political ramifications, and he tried to address that by appointing a good number of judges. he's having difficulty at this point. his factories in federal court and state courts are few and far between. >> carol lam, thank you very much. fernand amandi and paola ramos. please stick around. we'll come back to later in the hour. but for the, break i'm speaking with democratic congresswoman melanie stansbury about what her republican colleagues know all of us up into actually want to hear from hunter biden probably. first, richard lui is here with the headlines. >> some of the stories, breaking out of paris. police saying one person is dead and two others hurt in an attack near the eiffel tower. suspect stabbed a tourist and his wife. officials say the suspect spoke of muslims being killed around the world. the suspect also attack to other people before being arrested. a 7.5 magnitude earthquake struck off the southern philippines, such a day. officials issued a tsunami warning earlier, but they now say the region is no longer under threat. there are no reports of major damage or casualties. and pope francis killed on today's climate summit to stamp their use of fossil fuels. he said the earth's climate is run amok. pope francis plan to attend the summit in person, but stayed in the vatican due to illness. his address was right by a vatican official. more ayman with ayman mohyeldin after the break. after the break. 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raskin, ranking member of the committee, blasted chairman comer energy at the college saying, quote, what a frank addition there is simply not interested in the fact and have no confidence in their own case. what the republicans fear most is silent and the truth. the subpoena is part of house republicans broader impeachment inquiry into president biden for nearly a year now, they've been trying to connect the president to his son's foreign business dealings, but have still produced zero, and i made zero, evidence. joining me now, democratic congressman melanie stanbury of new mexico, a member of the house oversight committee. she joins me now. congresswoman, thank you so much for coming back on the show. i want to start by getting your reaction to that which action. republicans rejecting hunter biden's request to take his deposition publicly, if there is nothing to hide, why not allow for a public interview? >> really, it's obvious that they have no evidence. this is such a bizarre thing. for moms and moms and models the house gop has claimed there was some sort of malfeasance. they have reviewed thousands of documents. they held a fake impeachment hearing. they got their butts kicked on live television in front of the country, and it was clear they have not a single shred of evidence. what they have is a bunch of conspiracy theories, that have been spun by rudy giuliani, donald, trump for the last several years. and that they continue to harp on. that in the fact the hunter biden was willing to come on to the committee in front of the american people, to speak openly about his businesses and about his relationship, his father, and the committee chair and house republicans didn't want him, i think, speaks for loudly about their lack of evidence. >> there was this poll in october, congresswoman, that found 16% of americans say they believe that the president acted either illegally or unethically when it comes to his son's business dealings. could hunter's strategy of fighting back work to change that public opinion? >> you, know i think it's very clear the committee has conducted a thorough investigation. they found no evidence. and the fact the house gop is not willing to present that evidence live in front of the american people really speaks to the lack of evidence. so, yes. i think that, you know, the fact that the president's not as willing to come on to the committee, under, oath speak to what, you, know his history and his past was and the issues that the committee has been investigating. i believe speak to the presidents innocence on this issue. but we all know this has nothing to do with a real impeachment. we know that the speaker next week is planning to bring an impeachment inquiry vote to the floor. and he doesn't even necessarily have the votes to do that. because members of his own party don't believe that there is enough evidence to move forward with the further investigation of the president. so i think it speaks to the larger issue here, which is that this is really all a design to help prop up donald trump. he requested that the committee and house republicans undertake this inquiry. he sees it as retribution against his own two impeachments. he sees it as a way to exonerate himself of his 91 charges in federal courts, for criminal activity. and he sees it as a way to advance his own campaign next november. so that's what this sham impeachment is really about. >> so i want to, if i can, congressman, talk to your former colleague, george santos. he's now been expelled from congress. it was an overwhelming bipartisan vote on friday. you have been very vocal about his misusing of campaign funds and his lies. despite everything that's emerged about george santos, four republican house leaders voted against his expulsion. what does that tell you about the state of house leadership here? is this purely political, that they need that numbers, or because there is something more sinister here? to a through y