it contributes to the looming specter of -- if there is a second trump presidency. former peach manager joins me live to discuss the speaker dubbed mega mike. impeachment, despite having no concrete evidence to make their case, speaker mike johnson will have the house vote this week to begin an impeachment inquiry into president biden. white house spokesperson, ian sams, is here with the administration's response. and, listen up biden, the new chair of the democratic governors association. minnesota governor, tim walz, tells me why he thinks it's time for the biden campaign to be old. i'm jonathan kaye part, this is the sunday show. >> the rising alarm over the dangers of a second trump administration is not just about the twice impeached, four times indicted on 91 counts, disgraced former presidents. they're also about the long list of enablers willing to help him. people like sun to flee congressman, kevin mccarthy. in his first television interview since announcing that he will retire from congress at the end of the year, mccarthy, the first house speaker ever ousted from the job, pledged his support to trump in 2024, and hinted at his willingness to serve in a maga cabinet. perhaps trump's most important ally is that man. he succeeded mccarthy. house speaker, mike johnson, of louisiana. the man trump dubbed magic mike. he is a key architect of republican-led efforts to overturn the 2020 election results. this week, johnson says he plans to move forward with a vote to authorize a formal impeachment inquiry against president biden. this is despite there been zero evidence that the president committed any crime. the speaker seems to be trying to rewrite the history of january 6th by releasing more footage of the capitol attack. only after he protects those caught on tape. >> we want transparency. we should demand it. the american people do. we trust, house republicans, trust the american people to draw their own conclusions. they should not be dictated by some narrative. we have to blur some of the faces of persons who participated in the events of that day, because we don't want them to be retaliated against. and to be charged by the doj. >> joining me now, colorado congressman, joe neguse, chair of the democratic policy and communications committee. former manager for trump's second impeachment, and author of courage in the peoples house. congressman a goose, as always, thank you for coming to the sunday show. why is speaker johnson trying to rewrite the history of january six? >> good morning, it's good to be with you. we've known from day one that this speaker is sycophants of donald trump. he comes from the extreme maga win of his party. it isn't surprising that the actions that he has taken as speaker during the early tenure here, the early part of his tenure, a speaker, have been consistent with what the president trump and the maga win of his party with demands. that includes, of course, this baseless impeachment inquiry that he apparently will call on the floor later this week. it includes the announcement that you made regarding the ball arena video footage, which i think is just deeply, deeply distressed sane, and problematic. to think that he would take this step and impede the work of law enforcement, the department of justices, they seem to hold accountable individuals who participated in that violent mob. to essentially disrupt the peaceful transfer of power. i think that would shock the conscious of most americans. again, it's an surprise and given his record, and the reality that he was one of the architects, or the architects of the baseless legal strategy that republicans pursued in an effort to keep donald trump nearly four years ago. >> as i mentioned, you were an impeachment manager in trump's second, right, the second impeachment. the results of january 6th. in your investigation, did mike johnson come up, his actions, that they come up? >> well, his actions came up more in the context of the proceedings in the house. that is to say, the electoral college certification itself. this is been well documented. of course, liz cheney and others have spoken eloquently about this. the reality is, he was one of the principal architects in the house of the strategy, to essentially deprive joe biden and the american people, of the valid electoral results in 2020. to try to subvert the will of the voters in 2020. that strategy was baseless, it failed, as you know, and unfortunately, it culminated in the attack on our nation's capital on january six. so, again, it's symptomatic of the extremism that has been tested sized within the republican party over the last several years. it should concern every american. >> you mentioned this in your first down sir, why is, and i want you to elaborate, why speaker johnson allowing to vote to authorize a baseless impeachment inquiry into president biden? especially when there is no concrete evidence. is this just a sock to the far right wing of the republican majority? >> you had asked the salient question, why? why pursue a baseless impeachments that the american people know has no evidentiary basis, and will be a waste of time? and my view, the reason is twofold. first, it is political retribution. as we've been discussing, and as the american people will know, several years ago, almost three years ago, now president trump incited a mob to ultimately suffered the peaceful transfer of power. he was rightfully impeached on a bipartisan basis for his conduct, and he has been focus, singularly, ever since, on political retribution. the sycophants in the united states congress have taken that same approach. so this impeachment is really political retribution. it's political revenge on behalf of president trump. the second reason is the republican party in the house are as devoid of any substantive policy ideas that would ultimately benefit the american people. they are not focused on trying to make the lives of the american people better, or easier. instead, they're very much focused on these political games. again, that's on surprise and given the track record of the last 11 months. as you will, no job at, then they tried to shut the government down twice. they tried to default on our national debt. the only thing of substance they've done 11 months is expel george santos. this took democratic votes to ultimately accomplish. it's a very, very deep contrast, and stark contrast with house democrats who have been focused on putting people over politics. lowering costs, building safer communities. i think that it's pretty clear that this is a effort to move away from the lack of any policy agenda on the part of the republicans in the house. >> you and i are out of time, but i have to touch on your comment about the impeachmen inquiry been a waste of time. we'll quickly, as you will, know there are two deadlines coming up. want to january, another in february. yes or no, will speaker johnson be able to get a deal done to avoid a government shutdown? >> you know, if past is prologue, i think it's unlikely. i'm certainly concerned about those outlets coming up in january. i think we would be far better served as a country if republicans who work with us, as house democrats, on ensuring that we fund the government and address some of the pressing needs and challenges of our time, rather than pursuing political theater at its worst, which is precisely what this impeachment is sure to become. >> congressman of colorado, thank you, as always, for coming to the sunday show. joining me now to continue this conversation, stuart stevens. senior visor to the lincoln project, an author of conspiracy to end america. five ways my old party is driving our democracy to autocracy. also, jennifer reuben. msnbc political analyst, opinion writer at the washington post, and author of resistance. how women save democracy from donald trump. and, christina greer, associate professor of political science at fordham university, an author of black ethnics. stuart, jennifer, christina, thank you all very much for coming back to the sunday show. stuart, your reaction to speaker johnson suggesting this week that there might be other facts about what happened on january 6th. >> yeah, i -- to the moon landing. there is a lot of stage, jonathan. this is just sort of absurdity that highlights the lack of any reason the republican party has to be in power now. there is no policy in the party, as congressman was saying. there is no reason that you say, why should i vote for republicans? except to defeat democrats. that is not really, that's not a policy, that is just a homeroom election. i think it shows a complete collapse of the party as a governing force in america. >> you know, jennifer, to stewarts point, speaker johnson january six comments, and his plans to proceed with an impeachment inquiry into president biden, seems to me a combination of two things. a manifestation of trump's iron grip on the republican party, but also, an example of, because of what johnson is doing, an example of trumpy the system, being a symptom and not the disease afflicting the gop. >> well the gop now is not a political party in any sense of the word. it's a cult. it's a cult following. the following is being done in service of a man who wants a dictatorship. finally, finally, the mainstream media has kind of clued into this. this is an example of what we can expect. they use governmental, borrow a phrase, they weaponized government, to get back at their enemies should disrupt the normal functioning of government. to cause chaos. that way, their guy can swoop in and take control. as he acknowledged, be a dictator for a day. when you're a dictator for a day, you don't go away. you keep going. so i think the american people, they have any doubt about what it's going to be like, should donald trump get back to the white house, this is a little bit of a preview. it's pretty frightful, actually. >> christina, as robert king and points out in the washington post, where he's basically, where he argues that we are sliding into dictatorship, he says that johnson is in trump's pocket. how worried are you about the influence he could have over the next presidential election, if by some nightmare scenario, resolution of the results lands in the house of representatives. >> john, this is what keeps me up at night, honestly. as jennifer said. we're not dealing with the political party, we're dealing with, you know, a myriad of single fans who will do anything that donald trump says or wants. we know that they're frightened of, him we know that we don't just have donald trump, but also speaker johnson to believe their ordained by god to do this work. so, as we think about the history from the mid 20th century, many of those dictators were initially elected. we see how they behaved. so donald trump consistently tells on himself, as does the entire republican party. everything they're saying, joe biden is doing. he's a tackiness because he's just going after his political -- that's absolutely not the case. that's exactly what they're doing. every single time the republicans criticize democrats for their behavior, it's because they are anticipating what they want to do once they get into power. once they do, we've seen that republicans are interested in legislation. they're not interested in governance. their interest in retaliation, and pushing forward an agenda that takes away civil rights and civil liberties from america. >> starting last night at the new york young republicans 111th annual gala, trump reiterated that he would be a dictator on day one if elected's a second time. why isn't anyone in the gop thundering against this? >> well, maybe because they like the idea. a trade of autocrats, they -- we have to listen to donald trump. i don't understand the politics here, the need to kind of parse what he's saying. he says what he means. this is not a complicated guy. if you go back to his announcement speech, it was really a declaration of war against democracy. now you have a guy, a speaker of the house, he says he's ordained by god. he's moses. i mean, when i grew up, i don't think moses was god's fourth choice. this is sort of, it's a way they're looking at the world. it's a really out of step with what americans -- to put these people in power. the majority of americans don't support this, and, really this tests is will america continue down the road of minority rule? the only way to do that is be a tremendous turnout to stop this. >> yes, we're going to talk more about speaker johnson as moses when we come back after a quick break. my panel will stick around. we'll continue this important conversation in a moment. he thinks his flaky, red patches are all people see. otezla is the #1 prescribed pill to treat plaque psoriasis. 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(dog bark) it's just smarter, healthier pet food. it's amazing what real food can do. someone asked me today, it's curious, people are curious, what is mike johnson think about any issue under the sun. i say, pick up a bible off your shelf and read it. that's my worldview. that's what i believe in. >> go pick up a bible. yes, you heard that right. that was how speaker, mike johnson. the christian nationalists, now second in line to the presidency. explain to the american people where they can find his policy position. stuart stevens, jennifer reuben, christina greer, they're with us to discuss this. before we went to a break, stuart, you spoke about the fact that speaker johnson was comparing himself to moses. jennifer, in a speech at a gala celebrating right wing christian lawmakers tuesday night, johnson had this to say about being voted in as the new speaker of the house. >> [inaudible] >> okay. so we are having problem with the sound. i'm just going to read the quote. he says, at the time, i assumed the lord was going to choose a new moses. thank you, lord, you're going to allow me to be aaron to moses. 13 people ran for the votes, the lord kept telling me to wait. then, at the end, the lord said, now step forward. me? i'm supposed to be errand. >> your reaction, jennifer. >> this is six stuff. these people really do believe there ordained by god. apparently god never told him that joe biden actually won the presidency, he is the rightful winner. they're in vocation of the creator, it's a little selective to put it mildly. this is dangerous stuff. let me be clear, you cannot say that the bible is your rulebook when you take an oath to the constitution. you can believe whatever you want is a private citizen. all of us have the right to choose our world view. when you put a hands, quote, on the bible, and say i'm going to uphold the constitution regardless of my personal belief, that supersedes. what he's saying is, the oath that he took a false oath. they can't be expected to uphold the constitution because they're on some mission from god. that is dangerous stuff. that is not only -- to our constitutional system, but it is a recipe for disaster. it's a recipe for discrimination, hatred. you already see this. they're going to ban muslims, they're going to throw palestinians out of the country. all of these things that they say are ordained by god. they're going to force women to give birth to children against their will. all of this stuff is the work of the, crowds of people who envisioned themselves as above and beyond the law, and the american people need to wake up, frankly, more people need to do what you're doing, jonathan, which is lay it out. this is the choice. as not about biden's age, or some obscure policy issue. it's about whether or not you want to have these nets running the country. >> right. christina, talking about laid, out and we, we don't need to look that far to see where johnson stands on a particular issue. he's championed legislation to ban abortion nationwide. he's an election denier. he's also attacked lgbtq community. he's called same-sex marriage a dark harbinger of chaos, as a same-sex married man, i am powerful. he has spent six years as an attorney for an organization called alliance defending freedom. and evangelical legal group focused on dismantling lgbtq rights. it's also a hate group, designated a hate group by the southern poverty law center. christina, is mike johnson, speaker johnson, serious about governing? or is he an avatar for a far-right extremism? >> well, no one in the republican party right now is serious about governance. they're serious about blocking any sort of legislation that would help move this country forward. it's talking about transportation, infrastructure, whatever it may be. what's frightening, jonathan, is that his worldview is shared by millions of americans to, especially white evangelicals, who have grip the republican party, a those primary voters. we're going to see more and more elective speaking directly to this faction that is slowly but surely becoming more powerful. i spoke to a man last night. we were discussing the retirement to kevin mccarthy. you know, more and more republicans who were seemingly middle of the road, and could compromise with democrats, or leaving the republican party. their seeding at two right-wing extremists. mike johnson, right, now seems as though he is part of the marjorie taylor greene, lauren boebert, matt gaetz, faction. right-wing faction. pretty soon, that will be the mainstream part of the party. they're getting larger and larger and number. that does not represent the vast majority of americans. it does not represent american values. we are not a country that believes and theocratic principles. we do have a separation of church and state, which is getting more and more blurry with each election of republicans across the country, including places like new york city. >> stuart, we've got less than a couple minutes left, as you well know, the very first line of the first amendment to the constitution states, congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. so how dangerous is it that the speaker of the house is using a christian bible as a policy document to govern a multi-faith, multi cultural nation? >> well, i think this is a direct line between this time, and 2015. when trump came out and called the muslim ban bad. they're absolutely should not, that shouldn't have been accepted by the republican party. there shoul