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>> "meet the fockers." he plays a modern-day robin hood. >> let's storm the castle together. >> like when they went after frankenstein. >> no. the peasants take everything back from the lords. >> i'm in. >> matthew broderick and two of the most powerful men in hollywood. this is "piers morgan tonight." we begin with breaking news a. jury in the manslaughter trial of michael jackson's doctor will get the case. ted rowlands joins me now. ted, another dramatic day and now we will get to i guess the final answer. describe what happened today. >> well, piers, two very passionate arguments by both sides. david walgren started off telling the your this wasn't a case about a doctor/patient relationship. this is a case about a guy willing to do something very dangerous for $150,000 a month. he also reminded the jury about michael jackson's three children that will be growing up fatherless. the jackson family was in the courtroom as they usually are and there were a few moments where it was very emotional. one of them and we'll take a listen in just a second here was when david walgren was talking about that minute where michael jackson likely died. >> this is when conrad murray gave just an ounce of attention to michael jackson to see what his condition was. but again, how long he had again in that condition, we'll never know. was conrad murray in another room? did michael jackson yell out for help? did he gasp? did he choke? were there sounds? we don't know. and we'll never know. because of the neglect and negligence of conrad murray. >> now ed chernoff was equally passionate during his close. he said that dr. murray was a little fish in a big, dirty pond and he told jurors, hey, this is reality. it's not a reality show. and he again -- and this was a theme throughout this. said that michael jackson accidentally killed himself. >> what they're really asking you to do, just say it. what they're really asking you to do is to convict dr. murray for the actions of michael jackson. and i'm going to -- you know, we've been dancing around this for six weeks. maybe two years. somebody's got to say it. somebody's got to tell the truth. somebody's got to just say it. if it were anybody else but michael jackson, anybody else would this doctor be here today? >> obviously, piers, a lot of emotion today in the courtroom and a lot for this jury to digest. >> ted, i mean, where would your money going now? guilty or not guilty? >> well, you know what? there's a lot of evidence that this jury's going to overlook and to be honest with you i wouldn't want to be a juror on this case because it is so difficult. clearly, the cause of death isn't established and walgren acknowledged that. they have to go through this and then search their souls. i think there's a chance that there's a hung jury in this case. >> thanks very much, indeed. we may hear a verdict tomorrow on that absorbing trial. but now, herman cain, he says the american people are sick of the accusations against him which he called gutter politics. if a fund raising is any indication, he might be wrong. he raised an impressive $1.2 million since sunday when the sexual harassment allegations against him first broke and in the face of new details today a defiant cain is not backing down. listen to what he said on sean hannity's radio show earlier today. >> this will not deter me. this businessman is not going to be deterred in his drive to basically do what i feel like i'm supposed to be doing which is to win this nomination and win the presidency. >> herman cain today. joining me now is jonathan martin, he broke the story about a $45,000 payment to one of herman cain's accusers. welcome, jonathan. another story broken by politico. you've led the way on this scandal so far. tell me about the latest development and why it's significant. >> well, there were two developments today. first, one of the women who first reported about on sunday, we had five figures on sunday as to the payouts for the two women. "the new york times" put one to the 35. we today reported, piers, the other one got about $45,000 when she left the organization, signing that nondisclosure agreement to not talk about what happened with mr. cain. the other news tonight from my colleagues ken vogel, alex burns, described more in depth what happened with mr. cain and one of these women at a hotel room at a convention put on my by the organization in the late '90s where mr. cain made a sexual overwhich you are to the woman and the woman sought out a board member of the organization just hours after the encounter. >> i mean, herman cain repeatedly changed his story over this and doesn't help him. having said that, the argument it happened a long time does hold some water. where do you think the depth charge will come in the scandal if at all? >> well, that's the big question that we're all waiting for. you know, the ap yesterday reported that there was a third woman involved, piers. so we are obviously still reporting, talking to sources. you know, mr. cain has been defiant ever since we broke the story on sunday night. and has said that, yes, there was an accusation of one woman and he's not talking about the other one. nor the third one that the ap broke. tomorrow, though, piers, could be interesting. tomorrow friday one of the women who has expressed some interest in if not going public at least putting out a statement for the media. the organization will decide tomorrow if they're going to authorize her lawyer to put out a statement on behalf of the woman. now, keep in mind here, this woman is restricted right now from speaking because in the leaving the organization she signed a nondisclosure agreement so if the organization decides it's not a breach of statement for her to speak you could hear a statement pushing back on mr. cain tomorrow with this woman's side of the story. >> finally, and briefly if you don't mind, jonathan, lots of rumors this is coming from the rick perry campaign team. he denied that in an interview with john king today. what do you say to that? >> we don't discuss our sources. that's a pretty common practice, piers. as you know for most journalists so i'm not going to get in to that besides to say we reported this story, my colleagues and i, over a three-week period talking to dozens of sources across the country and then ultimately the story about the two women itself, those details were taken from a half a dozen sources who knew various elements of those two cases. so, you know, current and former staffers of the organization, current and former board members of the organization and sources here in washington who work with the organization, piers. >> okay. jonathan martin, thank you very much. >> thank you. so is herman cain playing the race card or not? joining me is larry elder author of "what's race got to do with it" and ronald kennedy. welcome to both of you. randall kennedy, is herman cain playing the race card or is the race card being played against him here? >> well, to the extent that he has said that one of the reasons that this is coming up is because of race, it seems to me he's using race as a propaganda weapon here. after all, there's no evidence that racism is behind these allegations and typically speaking he seems to be pretty exacting in requiring some evidence before he's willing usually to say that there's racism. two weeks ago he said that race doesn't have much to do in the lives of black americans yet now without any basis for saying so he seems to be claiming that racism is behind these allegations in an attempt it seems to me to, you know, get the attention off of the allegations and on to something else. >> larry elder, would you agree with that? >> i think that's right. what he should have said and would have been credible in saying there's a double standard. after all, bill clinton was accused of this and much more up to and incluing an accusation of rape and accusations of bill clinton and didn't seem to have the same interest and jesse jackson was the front-runner in the primary in 1988 and rumors of jackson being a serial philanderer. his wife said don't bring these allegations to me and then all of a sudden the media went away. he should have said there's a double standard. >> what is extraordinary and i'll come back to you, randall kennedy here, he's raising lots of money, a million dollars or more since sunday when the scandal first broke. the popularity in the latest polling is showing signs of increasing, as well. the public or most crucially the people who will be voting for him as a nominee for the republican party don't seem to care very much. what do you make of that? >> the people that like him like him a whole lot and i think they're rallying to their man. i think mr. elder made a very good point a moment ago. it should be noted, though, that when you talk about a double standard it might very well be that the press learned from the past experience. it may very well the press gave passes to people in historically and that they have learned that they ought not do that and that they ought take more seriously allegations of this sort. >> larry elder, one of the things i like about herman cain and other people clearly do, judging by the fund raising and the polls srks that he's not your average politician. nothing about the way he's behaved in the last few months is the way you would expect a politician to behave even down to the way he handled the scandal. yes, been haphazard and nonpolitical if you like but there's something human about herman cain resonating with people, isn't there? >> absolutely. he's down to earth. his father was a chauffeur. his mother was a domestic. never held elected office. people like that. i want to address what professor kennedy said about the press having learned f. the press learned i would ask him to explain why it is that bill clinton held in such high regard. this is a man against whom a credible allegation of rape was made. sexual harassment. he settled a lawsuit he said had no merit. he was impeached for lying under oath about what he had done with monica lewinski and yet heralded by the democrat party. if harassment is a serious issue, i wonder why he is heralded that way. >> it's not a completely invalid point. is there one rule for as some believe black conservative politicians and another rule for middle class white politicians? >> no, i think what's shown is people have their bases and people who like politicians are willing to close their eyes to, you know, deficiencies for their man. and in this instance, people who generally talk about, you know, family values are willing it seems to be willing to give a pass to their man in this instance. >> okay. i want to have a quick double answer from both of you. i'll come to you, randall kennedy, first. one word. yes or no to both of these questions. will herman cain survive the scandal? will he be the gop nominee in january randall, you go first. >> no and no. >> yes and no. >> well, it's certainly fascinating. all we're talking about is herman cain and probably if you're mitt romney that's not such a great thing. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. coming up, the only man to take a madoff scandal and play it for a laugh. ben stiller and the cast of "tower heist." 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no pressure. >> thank you. >> be funny. you hate doing these things don't you? >> oh! no. i don't hate -- it's -- they're fine. they're fine. i like you. >> how do you know? >> i like the idea of you. i like how -- what i see of you on television. >> what is the idea of me. >> maybe it is not really you. who are you really? >> what do you think i am? >> piers, when did it begin? the need to delve deep in people's souls. >> i like doing that. >> you do? >> and you do, too. i have a theory that everyone who's funny has a massive ego born from chronic insecurity. >> uh-huh. >> here's what you said. i think most actors have big egos and insecure. it's a bad combination. i include myself in this group. whatever reasons we want and need approval from everyone in the universe although we think we're totally unworthy of it. we need to validate ourselves through work. >> wow. >> this is my thesis on comedians. >> i was drunk when i said that. no, i mean, i think there's a certain amount of that that's true. i mean, everybody's different. i think everybody has different motivations for doing what they do and why they do it an sometimes a combination of different things. i don't think you know inside a you will of it necessarily. >> do you like the pressure of having to be funny? >> no. not at all. >> when you walk down the street -- >> i don't consider myself that funny. you know, you made the joke in the beginning but i'm not really -- like i don't consider myself a funny guy in regular situations. >> do you know which of your 30 movies has grossed the most? >> the biggest? probably -- one of the "night at the museum" maybe. >> "meet the fockers. $280 million. let's have a peek. >> what did you do? >> i think he needs to poop. >> that's the sign for milk. >> what's the sign for sour milk? that tastes a little funky. >> that's from debbie's left breast, greg. >> this's the laugh there. >> spit take. spit take. $50 million. right there. >> i have to say, i mean, there you are. that's your biggest box office movie and milk with robert deniro. >> what does that tell you about your culture? >> what does that tell you about anything? >> i love -- those movies, i had a great experience working with deniro and always a dream for me but the first one for me is my favorite of those. >> you grew up in a show business family. >> yeah. >> an advantage or disadvantage? >> well, it depends what you're talking about. i mean i think it's an advantage if you go in to show business because you have a sense of what you're going in to and you know the world and around it n. that way, it's an advantage. but then you have to kind of make your own way and, you know? >> yeah. i mean, what i suppose i meant was i can see how having parents in the business can be helpful but it also means there's no escape. you were almost groomed for this role. >> yeah. i mean, you know, as a kid you grow up -- the world you grow up in is the world you grow up. my sister and i enjoyed that. we got to stay up late and my parents played nightclubs and went out to california and they did tv shows and it was just -- it was fun. we liked that more than going to school. >> married 57 years? >> yeah. >> pretty amazing? >> yeah. >> how do you think they've pulled that off, especially in entertainment. almost unprecedented. >> they -- i think they truly -- i think they just truly love each other. i think that's the key there and they -- i don't know. they're like a -- they're like one organism now. the way they work together now. they play-off each other. they have so much experience together. >> you have been married 11 yores. >> yes. >> you don't let your children watch your movies. >> that's not true. they're not that much interested. i'm not going the try to get them to watch, you know, something about marry or something like that. because they're 9 and 6. >> could be a bit disturbing. >> they watch the "night at the museum" movies and the kids' movies like "madagascar." they're very theatrical children, yeah. >> do you love being a father? >> i love being a father. yeah. oh my god, yeah. that's -- i think it's like -- i mean, for me it's the best thing. it's challenging. and, you know, as any father will tell you. >> in terms of your filming schedule, how do you juggle that with being a dad? >> you have to figure out how you're going to do it so that you make sure that you have the family time. like right now, i'm working on a film out of town so i'll come back as much as i can on the weekends and then the time off is really important so we always take in the summer we take as much time off as possible and as a family go off together. >> all comedians i meet seem to wrestle with demons. i studied your life fairly carefully and not that -- >> can't find the demons? no. i'm a boring demonless person. no. i had -- we all have demons. it is i think at the end of the day it's -- you -- you know, it's what you -- what you do with your life, right, how you take what you have and then you're in the moment and all you have is the moment. so, a lot of times in show business, i think you can get wrapped up thinking if that happened or that happened or this movie did well or that or i got that opportunity and ultimately you are in the moment always so i think -- >> there's no evidence of alcoholism. major drug abuse. >> well hidden. >> womanizing. you don't seem to do anything. >> all under the radar. >> a nice, funny guy. >> yeah. nice funny -- sorry. >> anything to get off your chest and confess? anything to chip away at the halo? >> brian grazer and i are having an affair. >> great. he's coming on in a moment. >> i know. and his hair -- i'm in love with his hair. i rub my cheek against his hair every morning. no. things are going good. >> let's take a little break. come back and talk about this new movie of yours which is going to be a kick i think. >> okay. >> got a feeling. >> good. daddy, come in the water! somebody didn't book with travelocity, with 24/7 customer support to help move them to the pool daddy promised! look at me, i'm swimming! somebody, get her a pony! [ female announcer ] the travelocity guarantee. from the price to the room to the trip you'll never roam alone. all right. thank you. come on! let's storm the castle together. >> oh, like when they went after frankenstein. >> no! it's a different kind of storming. when the peasants take everything back from the lords. >> i'm in. i'm in. >> i'm in. >> well, now we're undefeatible, aren't we? >> ben stiller's latest movie "tower heist." >> i was laughing you show the person watching themselves. >> hoping you would be -- >> fascinating. >> hilarious. >> wow. >> just like -- it's a blockbuster movie. you have made so many of them. >> yeah but not really. >> are you excited by this one? >> i'm really excited because it's actually -- it's a genre of movie i've never been in. >> it's a great caper and fantastically well timed. >> why. >> can you imagine this movie coming out with occupy wall street kicking off all over the country? it couldn't be better timed. we are going to find out now if this is a popular movement or not by your ratings. >> i guess so. all right. if you want to, you know, if you want to do it that way. i mean, i feel like the movie is reflective of the situation we're in economically and when we started