his american dream. and she's the ring leader on the real house wives of new york city, but tonight, jill and her sister lisa wexler are going it share secrets of the jewish mother and point of grace, one of the most successful contemporary christian groups, plus much, much more on the show tonight. you picked a great night to be watching and a great crowd we have here in new york to be part of our audience. [applaus [applause] >> thursday night a few blocks from our new york studio, president obama showed up at the tony st. regis hotel on fifth avenue to lift a load of dough in campaign cash from the very villains that he recently called the fat cats of wall street. of course, then he was all about standing up for the little guy. i can assure you, the only little guys that president obama's event in new york were the ones serving the swanky french food to the tables of the swells who shelled out $50,000 per couple to shake the same hand that slapped their faces for making too much money just days ago. let me tell you something, true reform in washington isn't happening and it's not going to happen with this administration because you just don't have any credibility to shake up the same people that you're shaking down in order to win your elections. like an abused spouse who keeps going back for more smacks to the face it's just as disgusting, the people that the president calls the fat cats will line up in the fifth avenue finest who be photographed with mr. obama, but hopefully not showing any of the facial bruises they received from him or his pal nancy pelosi who also graced the nice people of new york with her ever so pleasant presence. now, if you wonder whether the administration or the democrats in congress are really there for you, just remember that they'd be there a lot more for you if you ponied up $50,000 for a peep at the president and miss pelosi. i'm not sure what's more hypocritical, clamming to be fighting the fat cats while taking their money or being a fat cat and purring softly and licking the very hand that strikes you. this insanity can be cured, however, it really can. it's called an election. and there's one coming up in november. you can send a message at that can be heard even in the finest cocktail party in new york. [applause] >> well, that's my view, i welcome yours. you can e-mail me at mike huckabee.com and click on the fox news feedback section, i look forward to being able to hear from you this week. all right. coming up in the next segment, we're going to be talking about our government's debt and how it relates to you and to me. but jay leno has something to say about personal debt. . >> the senate this week voted tough on standards for home loans, under the new standards lenders would have to vary phi that the borrowers can repay the loan. really? is that considered a tough stand now, you have to pay back the loan, huh? now, borrow money from the mob sometime, they break your legs, that's or tough standards, that's a tough standards, having to pay back a loan. >> mike: a little later in the show we'll be talking about that very thing. should we have to pay back all this money that we're borrowing as a country? well, more of that in just a little bit. a lower manhattan community board has given the green light for a muslim cultural center, including a mosque to be built on the site of the building hit from part of the debris from one of the planes that struck the world trade center on nerve. the muslim group sponsoring the project manes to open its doors on september 11th, 2011, ten years to the day after the terrorist attacks. joining us now is the executive director of stop the islamization of america, pamela geller. pamela, good to have you here. [applause] >> now, you are not in favor of the mosque in the cultural center being built this close to. >> ground zero. >> mike: to where the 9/11 attacks happened. why? >> well, ground zero is hallowed ground and i think it's an outrage an insult and humiliating to the families and all americans. i think any decent american and muslim should be outraged we would be building a mosque which basically embodies the very ideology that inspired those attacks on 9/11. >> we asked the american society for muslim advancement to join us and they declined, but did send a statement and i want to read it because i'd like to get your reaction to it, here is their position on it. they say for over a decade the cordova initiative and american society for muslim advancement have worked tirelessly to build bridges with other favorites while condemning violence, extremism or prejudice of any sort. our mission is to be a beacon of hope and harmony to those who join us in condemning hatred and violence of any kind. week in the think of a more wonderful expression of our religion than the cordoba house where american muslims stand with fellow citizens it condemn extremism and terror, it is a project to honor those who were harmed on september 11th, and claim our patriotism to this country and stand side by side with all men and women are piece. they're saying look, we stand with the people of america, we are against what happened here. why does that still give you real concern? because obviously, there's some real heartache not just with you, but with a lot of people across the country about the building. their statement says, don't worry about this, this is a gesture of friendship and a gesture of piece. >> i think a real memorial at the hallowed ground of 9/11 would be perhaps a museum dedicated to the victims of 9/11 and perhaps a center that would work to expunge the violent texts that inspire these acts of jihad. it is very symbolic, mike. if we look at the world trade center, that was the epicenter of the financial epicenter, iconic of the world financial power in new york. if we look at the pentagon, that was the icon of military, super power in the world. and we-- >> you wouldn't have a problem if this were a church or a synagogue, but specifically a mosque and died to the religion that was adhered to by the terrorists. >> welcome. >> mike: and let me be fair. a per version of the religion, maybe islam. >> listen, these texts are in the koran and they are inspiring acts of jihad just two weeks ago in times square, another, another icon of the entertainment complex of the world. it's a very symbolic move to build a mosque at the ground zero. how can you separate the mosque and what it's teaching from islam? >> but you don't want the government to intervene and say you can't build it you're asking for what. >> the government should not intervene and tell us where we should build our houses of worship, but i think that the community should be responsive to non-muslims and that is a humiliation and in response it a public outcry to build a 13-story mosque at ground zero, opening up on september 11th, i mean, to anybody with any sense at all. this is a real slap in the face and knowing what we know about islamic history where you have been taking over mosques, symbolism is enormously important in islamic history and this, to me is an i peacement of muslim dominance and islamic spremsism. look, we couldn't show the muhammad in a bear suit, a huge bear suit on comedy central and bleeped out the word muhammad because of muslim sensitivity. the danish cartoon no media would broadcast the danish cartoons and they want to be sense it tiff to the muslim sense built. what about our sensibilities and why isn't this a two-way street and we can't build in saudi arabia. >> mike: i appreciate you. and center for giving their take on it. >> can i just. >> mike: quickly we're out of time. >> june 6th is a protest at ground zero, please come and voice your outrage at this, at we consider to be this terrible idea in apiecement of islam. >> mike: pamela, thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> mike: for telling us how you feel. 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(applause) >> there's good debt and there's bad debt. i mean, if you buy a house with a mortgage that you can afford, that's good debt, but if you keep maxing out your credit cards and buying stuff that you can't really pay for, that's bad debt. our government is in a lot of debt, but can america continue to carry it and how bad will it be if we don't do something about the debt? we're going to be talking now with fox business network's liz macdonald and stuart varney, host of varney and company. so we're the company today, stuart. [applause] >> you're varney and we're company. >> you're varney we're company. all right, america is in a serious debt situation, how much, stuart? >> greece is today where america is going to be tomorrow. we are drowning in debt. ten years ago our debt was half the size of our economy and today it's the same size as our economy and we're all going to pay a price for it. our standard of living is going to go down. unemployment goes to a new normal of 7%, taxes up, prices up, if i may say so, governor, it's down right unamerica. it will not look like it's supposed to look. >> mike: we are going to put it on screen and i want people to see firsthand as we're talking, you can see the debt there on the screen. 2000, it was 56% just as you said. it was 68% at the time that president obama took office it's now 92%. that's like saying you owe 92 cents out of every dollar that you earn. >> you're in the danger zone. >> that doesn't include fannie or freddie or social security and medicare. >> mike: not those small-- >> and those sums would block out jupiter or the sun if they were added in there. and stuart makes a good point and the issue is that we're basically issuing debt to pay off debt sort of like drinking scotch to cure a hangover or wrist whiskey, whatever you use. >> mike:'s not telling. >> yes. >> mike: the thing to understand. people say america should not have any debt. debt itself is not bad if it's manageable. they have debt for a home. what's the rule of thumb for the individual and country. >> the issue is the cost on the debt. and it's about to blow a hole in the u.s.'s balance sheet the size of egypt. in other words, if you're printing money or borrowing money to pay off the interest costs, that capital is not going into the economy to grow businesses. what they're saying, we only pull in 2.7 trillion in tax revenues every year and we borrow the rest and so, if it gets to 20%, it's trending up, the interest costs, then we get a credit rating down and then our borrowing costs go up, meaning more taxpayer money has to go to spend on those bond yields. >> who is going to lend us the money. >> that's right. china is saying that. >> we've got a trillion dollar deficit as far as the eye can see every single year we've got to borrow the money. don't you think the lenders are going to say-- >> the chinese are lecturing us now. >> they've walked away. >> about of they seize fannie and freddie, henry paulson former treasury secretary wrote his book on the brink and told congress the reason he did that, russia he says was advising china to dump fannie and freddie debt. reads like a tom clancy novel. the fannie and freddie started falling apart and the government had to seize those. >> mike: we hear the president say the economy is on the rebound. so are we doing better? >> look, the economy is expanding, that's true. there's some very limited new job creation, very limited. >> right. >> but this deficit, this hangover of debt will slow us down. we're not recovering in a robust fashion like we should be from a serious recession, far from it, it's a slow recovery. >> and now what gets me, the administration says we inherited this recession, well, every administration said that for the last two decades and by the way, vice-president biden has been in the, you know, in government since the nixon era and when they started borrowing, they put the thumbs on the scale to do their borrowing. >> mike: before we go. i've got to remind our viewers of something, liz is a great story of you, has nothing to do with the economy. you met mother teresa one time. >> yeah. >> mike: and mother teresa attempt today give you a blessing. >> oh, god. >> she was going to bless you and most people would have been thrilled to have blessing from mother teresa, what did you do? >> well, i was thrown because mother teresa used to go up to her volunteers and co-workers, i'm a lapse catholic, if i walk by a churchle' burst into flames and she would block out your face to see how you look in a habit like cecil b demille. oh, no, here she comes and make me into a nup and make believe you're going to bless me, i high-fived her. >> mike: you high-fived her instead of taking a blessing. >> and her poor nuns are thinking who let the american lunatic in the door. >> mike: i'm not sure we could make a baptist out of you with a deal like that. >> i don't think that mother teresa got espn over there. >> i can't stop that. >> mike: you can't top that. >> thank you for humiliating me on national television. >> mike: we'll be right back. 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[applause] joe guy, you brought your stuff. >> yeah. >> wow. you're not going to make me ride a horse today are you? >> no, not today. >> it's great to have you here, i need to tell our audience, i met you in south arkansas, i was down there deer hunting with a good friend of mine. i met this guy, he's incredible and he saw you walking a horse in the snow in this little bitty community called pickens, arkansas, and you were just walking a horse in like january and he stopped and found out your story. what an amazing story. you came here from australia to kind of see america. >> yeah. >> what are you looking for? >> well, first of all, came here being the land of opportunity and i sort of believing that i got here i could inspire people and i came here to promote my book and record my album which i did and then i figured i'd hop on a horse and ride a few thousand miles and get an idea how the country work and how people feel about-- >> just ride a few thousand miles on a horse. i was actually going to ride across the country and my wife got a little upset because i was on the heap one week and bye, see new 12 months and she was upset. >> mike: i wonder why, joe. >> she was crying, i'll do a loop and i've done a 1500 mile loop. >> mike: how many. >> 1500 loop. 1500, yeah, a little loop. >> and we done some clinics and hopped on the horse and rode another few hundred miles. one of my friends had a hundred horses and you went out there in the pen and one they told me later, they didn't tell you, they thought was untrainable and you had a saddle on him in less than two hours. >> yeah. >> mike: you were riding him and they had given up on him. >> yeah. >> mike: how do you do this? >> well, first of all, i guess, i know how a horse thinks and why it's doing what it's doing and get inside the horse's mind and i capture the horse's mind and it gives me its body and it's all about reading the horse, reverse psychology, psychology and body language, three things to read a horse, dog and a child. >> mike: so you could do this with a kid. . >> with he will. >> mike: there are parents all over america want to bring their kids. >> a couple of the kids would probably disagree with it. it works. i tell people all the time, you have to catch the mind. you've got the mind, the horse is yours. >> mike: what do you do that's so different or how do you get the horse to do what you want him to do. >> best of all, i i deal with a problem horse, i don't break the horse, i'm not interested, i'm interested in the horses that come back from trainers unbreakable. horse that is rear up and flip over at that people have been hurt on and buck you off, kick the eye and strike at you, mouth open lunging at you and what i'll do is, i teach them with the one blow, to stand still and every time they don't, i push them off me with the second blow in ten minutes the horse will learn how to move the feet. there's no harm or pain involved. two noises and then i start baiting the horse and adding all the pressure with tarps and bags and different things and what people have to remember is if you see footage of what i do, i put a lot of pressure on the animal, a lot of mental pressure and a lot of people don't understand and think it's too hard for the horse, but that horse has hurt people, that horse probably sent people to the hospital to emergency rooms so i'm pretty firm with what i do. i'll ask the horse one and then i'll demand it, the noises came and the horse will know do not move its feet and with the pressure, the horse will be thinking should i move, should i move and the mind taking over, don't move. whatever you do don't move. >> mike: it's unbelievable. your book is called request living a dream." you go out and what people need to know not like you're staying in the ritz carlton. you sleep in barns with the horse. you've slept just out in the open. >> yeah. >> mike: i mean, you're literally living the life of the cowboy. >> yeah. as a rule i try and calm wp my horse all the time. in case something goes wrong i'm there with him. when i met freddy back he offered me a place to stay, i want to sleep next to my horse and that's what i do. >> mike: it was like 20 degrees. >> it was cool, yeah, cool. >> mike: cool, cold, man, what do you talk about? you call it living a dream. and we've got information how to learn more about joe guy and get the book "living a dream" for me this would be like living a nightmare. also everyone in the audience is going to get a copy of the book, joe guy "living a dream" one of the things you do write songs and sing them. why don't you close us out with a song. joe guy, the long rider, one of his original songs. ♪ i called home again this morning ♪ ♪ while we talked for a little while ♪ ♪ i could feel the pain of her every breath, still picture that pretty smile ♪ ♪ while the kids are screaming