0 the famous military commander hand bell's attempt to ride elephants over the alps and conquer italy. the romans got the last laugh. they invaded cart thage, burned it down. covered the land in salt so no crops could grow. finally after two me lynn i can't, symbolic peace an ancient enemies hugged it out 28 years ago today. you never know. maybe on capitol hill and a couple of melinia they will be able to do something. >> bill: the o'reilly factor is on. tonight: >> we have got to stop being the stupid parity. >> i think he was stupid for using that term because that term is so obnoxious. >> bill: now republicans are fighting among themselves as president obama is trying to check mate the party once and for all. we have provocative analysis. >> do you care about murders or do you only care about murders with guns? >> i care about all deaths by the g.o.p. immigration and guns not about problem solving. talking points pass put forth a simple plan that would drawskly reduce gun violence in this country. has to do with federalizing all gun crimes and having very tough mandatory prison sentences for gun criminals. but you won't hear support for that coming from the democrats. instead, liberals want to make the debate about limiting firearms even though they know with 300 million guns already in circulation those limits could l. do absolutely nothing to prevent violent crime. absolutely nothing. the democrats and the president know that. likewise on the immigration front the president well understands if he secures the southern border, most republicans will agree to mainstreaming the illegal aliens that are already here at least in the workplace. that negotiation should take 90 minutes? but it won't because mr. obama will not commit to securing the border. now, i hate to be cynical. but that's what's going on. it's about politics, not problem solving. and the president has been somewhat successful in demonizing republicans. listen to this we have got to stop being the stupid party. i'm serious. it's time for a new republican party that talks like adults. time for us to articulate our plans and visions for america in real terms. >> i think he was stupid for using that term. that term is so obnoxious and so good for the other side that he should not have used that term. that term is going to be living now with the republican party for a long time and they are going to have his face on television saying it for the next four years. >> so there is is a real division in the republican party caused by friction over how to handle complex issues like gun control and immigration. last night it it was interesting to hear conservative rock god ted new jent really level a cnn commentator. >> we are not talking about guns. >> do you care about murders or do you only care about murders with guns. >> i care about all deaths by violent crime. >> i think you care about guns. i think you are obsessed with guns. >> no. >> 99.99% of the gun owners of america are wonderful people that you are hanging around with here today perfectly safe, perfectly harmless, wonderful, loving, giving, generous, caring people. would you leave us the hell alone? go after the nut jobs. go after the murderers because i don't know any. >> bill: that kind of straight talk is what the republican party needs. it should lay out its vision as governor jindal suggested but it should also aggressively counter attack liberal politics that are devoid of solutions. right now there is little incentive for president obama to moderate. new gallup poll for example says that in january 7' 0% of american hispanics approve of the job barack obama is doing. that number is up from 53% this time last year. and it is the immigration debate that has hispanics cheering on the president. talking points is not a dents. and ultimately there were be repercussions for that. >> bill: i don't disagree with that i don't think the court of public opinion has caught up with you. the comments you heard from jindal and trump there is division on the immigration front and gun front. there is not a lot of unity in the g.o.p. rights now, you are one of the more conservative senators, people like karl rove are saying you have got to back off and bobby jindal you have got to come to the senator more. could you see that? >> it sort of depends on the issue. with immigration reform i am in favor of immigration reform. do i think you have to have border security and what i'm proposing is that we have a report eve year for five years and the reform only goes forward if we approve the report. it comes back in congress and votes on it each year. i think you could then secure the border and get conservatives to support normalizing the people who are here. so on immigration i think there is a middle position that the country is ready for. >> bill: on gun control, the democrats and liberal media commentators are basically saying you have got to get rid of the assault rifles. you have got to get rid of a lot of these things and the republican party basically says no, we don't want that. so the casual voter is not really following the ins and outs of this, basically says there are those republicans again not looking out for the kids. that kind of propaganda works. >> i think we are farther apart on the gun issue. i think we have made some good points. even pierce morgan i think is is starting to listen a little bit. what we are talking about is that guns are used for protection. that 86% of crime is committed by people who stole their guns or bought them illegally. and that really gun control ends up affecting the price and the availability to law-abiding citizen really does nothing to deter crime. all you have to think about is how when someone goes and shoots 26 people, they don't care that there is the death penalty for doing that so laws aren't deterring them. so really what we need to do is talk about how we tried to make schools safer and really one way i think is to allow people to defend themselves. >> bill: all right. but you see my point that the president believes that he has the republican party on the run, on the defensive. he can make the broad generalizations that we want to be humane in the immigration front would want to limit big assault rifles. nobody needs them. majority of the folks are responding to his argument. and all the polls show that. >> but when you look at polls and ask people about do you think government is overspending? three fourths of people think government. >> bill: you guys are on the right side of the spending. you know, mitt romney ran an economic campaign, senator. and it was all economics. very little of social issues for mr. romney. he got his butt kicked. even in that arena. >> but part of it is this. when you look at whether or not they thought governor romney was competent on the issue on four out of five he wins. the only thing he loses is they liked president obama. he was likeable. that's hard to buy in a candidate. i have great respect for governor romney but president obama has his appeal. so we need to figure out how to present and have more appeal to voters but doesn't mean we have to change our positions. i think we should still be principled the party of low taxes. the party of lunid government and party and jobs. if we present it well and tell people, particularly those who are dependent now on government that big government is not their friend it causes the rising gas prices, the rising food prices. that it makes it harder for them to join the middle class because the president's big government programs cause prices to rise. if we can bring that together for people, i think people who want to move up the ladder will come to the republican party. >> bill: all right. well you are optimistic. i don't know. you are going to run for president, i think senator, aren't you? >> i don't know yet but we are thinking about it. >> bill: i know you are. all right, senator, thanks very much. we appreciate it next on the rundown, charles krauthammer will react to the conversation with senator paul. and then later, shocking story out of california. both of us actually. our pharmacist recommended it. and that makes me feel pretty good about it. and then i heard about a study looking at multivitamins and the long term health benefits. and what do you know? they used centrum silver in the study. makes me feel even better, that's what i take. sorry, we take. 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