0 pregnancy for pretty much any reason and the state will allow it. right now governor cuomo's job approval rating stands at 59%. so whose fault is this? cuomo's? everybody knows he wore ships at the altar of reproductive rights. >> protect the woman freedom of choice, enact the reproductive health act because it's her body. it's her choice because it's her body. it's her choice. because it's her body. it's her choice. >> bill: if i could speak with him and he would never consent to that interview, i would simply ask him, do you care at all, all about the unborn? now i'm sure you could see the linkage here. new jersey and new york simply will not forget the most defenseless. this kind of mentality is a weren't a crack baby. a crack baby is one born addict to do crack. if you put somebody -- if you took away a child from everybody who used illegal drugs before their pregnancy, you're going to be taking hundreds and thousands, start in colorado and washington state. people use drugs, a lot of people. >> bill: all right. so you are okay with a country saying to mothers, you can take heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine, anything two days before giving birth and we are not going to hold you accountable at all? >> we're going to hold you accountable if that child is danieled. >> bill: the child had cocaine in its system when born and you couldn't possibly know the neurological damage until the child develops a little built it's impossible to know -- >> much more done by alcohol. >> bill: stop making excuses. >> i'm not making excuses. >> bill: you are. stay on this ruling, beckel. >> all right. >> bill: the society in new jersey did not hold this woman accountable for this action. is that okay with you? >> it's okay with me if the child is not impaired. >> bill: okay. >> you keep saying okay. >> bill: you can't tell whether the child is impaired until it develops. >> what did you want to do? you want to take this child away and put him >> bill: here is what i want to do. you take the child away from the mother. you put it in the system. and you drug test the mother for 30 days. and see what condition the mother is in. then if the mother is clean, you return the child. that's the same thing to do -- sane thing to do. you might consider charging her with a crime because it's illegal to smoke crack cocaine any time, anywhere. >> but you know the foster system. you've seen the foster system. >> bill: i'm not going to justify the foster system. i'm saying this woman, nothing happened in a civilized, fair society, this is wrong. it's wrong! >> is it wrong? of course it's wrong. >> bill: okay. >> so we have to deal with it. take the child away from its mother? >> bill: yeah, for 30 days. that's what you do. cuomo, in new york, open season up 'til birth. up 'til birth. he wants no restrictions on late term abortion at all. you say? >> i say that's ridiculous. the first trimester did -- first of all, i happen to be against abortions. i'm not in a position to tell women what to do. trimester -- >> bill: in that regard, you say you disagree with como. >> yes. >> bill: now. again, we go back to our society. i think we're living in a barbaric society in america. i think we've become barbarians here the way we treat our elderly, horrible. it's horrible. the way we treat the unborn. awful. all right? and all of these policies are promoted by people like andrew cuomo on the left. you don't see the right promoting these policies. does that disturb you at all? >> i listen to that talking point of yours last night and you are frozen in the 50s. this country has changed and you better accept the fact it's changed. >> bill: has it changed for the better? >> i think it has in many ways. for example, education. you jump on that and say look there is 266% -- >> there are smarter kids today. >> bill: no, they're not. >> that's dead wrong. we never tested format and science the way we do now and we're increasing their abilities in both their ideas. the well father, 14% of what it was in 2002. it's 14% today. >> bill: it doesn't make any difference because the federal budget is so high today. >> yes. >> bill: all right. so the amount of dollars is so much more because we're $17 trillion in debt! >> why do you think it's high? because we've been waging wars we shouldn't have been waging, one. two, we've got social security and medicare out of control. >> bill: let's get back to the barbaric society that i think we have here now. it's a narcistic society. you heard cuomo said your body, your decision. it's all about you, right? you say i'm firmly grounded in the 50s? what was wrong, besides the civil rights stuff, which was -- i pointed that out last night. >> yes, you did. >> bill: which was definitely wrong. what was wrong with the values that we had in the 50s of honesty, hard work and self reliance? >> the assumption that those are not values today is just absolutely -- >> bill: then you have a -- you don't think that you have more americans today wanting handouts than you do back then? >> i think you have people -- >> bill: do you think you have more americans today wanting handouts? >> you have more people getting them? yes. >> bill: wanting them? >> no. i say getting them because they had no choice. >> bill: what about the disability? >> what about disability? people are disabled, they ought to have the right to have that. >> bill: it's 60% more dangerous today 2012, than 2002. is it 60% more dangerous than it was in 2002? >> you've had a major recession. >> bill: that doesn't have anything to do with disability! >> yes t does. >> bill: no, no. disability. >> disability. more and more people are finding access to disability. >> bill: why? >> because the law says they can. >> bill: aha! it's making it easier for them! >> somebody should not be able to have access to disability because you don't think they're -- >> bill: you think they're all disabled? >> i think most of them are. >> most of them? >> i think there is some fraud. last night about this great america in the 50s, we were dragged into fighting the nazis. somehow you made this myth about this last generation. you and tom brokaw, the greatest generation. the fact is -- >> bill: me and tom brokaw we're lumped in together? you're ranting now. i got to go. >> i'm ranting? that's strange coming from you. >> bill: next on the rundown, as the nanny state rises, can anything be done to stop it? we'll take a look. later, dennis miller on the president golfing with tiger woods and racial controversy over the sports illustrated swimsuit edition. we're coming right back hi. hi. i'm here to pick up some cacti. it should be under stephens. the verizon share everything plan for small business. get a shareable pool of data... got enough joshua trees? ... on up to 25 devices. so you can spend less time... yea, the golden barrels... managing wireless costs and technology and more time driving your business potential. looks like we're going to need to order more agaves... ah! oh! ow! ... and more bandages. that's powerful. sharble data plus unlimited talk and text. now save $50 on a droid razr maxx hd by motorola. both of us actually. our pharmacist recommended it. and that makes me feel pretty good about it. and then i heard about a study looking at multivitamins and the long term health benefits. and what do you know? 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