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CNN Newsroom with Poppy Harlow and Jim Sciutto-20191017-13:24:00

and pence or say trump just said something different? >> it's the heart -- this is what's so complicated about turkey. i do think they're going to have a challenge here. turkey lost about 40,000 people to terrorist attacks from kurdish pkk and puk-type activities, not related to the kurds that are working with the united states and syria today. but they don't see the difference. so if you don't go in and understand the history, why turkey is so aggressive on this -- on armed kurds on their border, to me, you'll never get to a good negotiation. you have to understand all of their pressure points. and we've never even talked about that. so there was that one time that there was talk in the united states about allowing turkey to go across the border into iraq to clean out these separatist, aggressive kurdish movements. that was years and years ago. and so turkey hasn't taken their eye off of that ball.

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MSNBC Live With Katy Tur-20191017-18:07:00

washington will be accused of effectively vindicating turkish aggression, because one turkish official after this meeting walked out and according to reports said, we got exactly what we wanted. and there are so many questions, katy, at this stage. who is going to police this safe zone? because, of course, u.s. forces are withdrawing. so will it be turkey policing the safe zone? of course, now, the kurds and turkish forces are archenemies. so are we going to see turkey policing a kurdish area? what is going to happen to the thousands of curkurds that have left that area? are they going to be allowed to come back? how can they come back? will they feel safe coming back? another crucial question, what is going to happen with regard to the syrian government in damascus. because you know that president assad will not like this deal. now, perhaps that's not something that we should worry about, but it is a concern, because you're going to see president assad's forces up against turkish forces. the potential for another conflict seems very, very real.

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MSNBC Live With Katy Tur-20191017-18:11:00

you needed some stability. if this war had continued for much longer, the isis prisoners, the isis detainees were going to break out. now, that is still a possibility. things aren't settled here by any stretch of the imagination. but what has just happened now is this safe zone, we're talking about a safe zone in northern syria being created. this safe zone was the kurdish homeland. it was the kurdish enclave. now it is going to be divided up with the russians and the syrian government taking a piece of it and the turkish army and its turkish militias taking another piece of it. so the kurds who had this homeland have just lost it and it is being cut in half. where those borders are, i think, is going to be a bit of a push and a pull between turkey and the government of bashar al assad, but they are both tied to russia. both assad and the turkish government are tied to russia.

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MSNBC Live With Katy Tur-20191017-18:12:00

and the kurds are tied now to the assad government. so russia has become the main peace broker here. >> and i want to underscore, i'm sorry for stepping on you at the end of that, richard. the kurds lost a lot of lives, lost a lot of lives fighting to contain isis, fighting to do away with the caliphate. >> reporter: so these kurds who were just described -- by the way, in that press conference, go back, there was a question asked to vice president pence and then pompeo weighed in about the kurds carrying out atrocities against christian communities here. that is something that turkish propaganda had been pushing. we have seen nothing like that of any sort. it has been, in fact, the turkish militias that have been carrying out atrocities just for the records. so somebody put that into the vice president's head. somebody else put that into secretary of state pompeo's head. the kurdish forces who were here worked for over four years,

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MSNBC Live With Katy Tur-20191017-18:14:00

al assad. and then who knows how this is going to play out on the ground, as these two sides fight it out and there are militias moving around. and the people who are providing the only kind of security on the ground, who were the kurds, are now the -- the armed kurds, are now being told to leave. >> and as you just mentioned, it seems now they're being slandered as well by the vice president and our secretary of state. allow me just to mention two things before we move on. one, the president yesterday seemed to confirm that we have nuclear warheads in turkey, usually, all the time, u.s. officials do not confirm the location of where we are nuclear warheads. the president seemed to do so yesterday. and now the u.s. is bombing its own military sites, our own military sites in syria in order to reduce their usefulness. richard engel, keir simmons, gentlemen thank you very much. >> let >>.

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MSNBC Live With Katy Tur-20191017-18:13:00

hand-in-glove with u.s. forces. they killed somewhere between 60,000 and 100,000 isis fighters, put them in prison. the kurds lost 11,000 people. they had 23,000 injuries. in the course of this fight, they formed a close friendship with american forces. american forces have been watching them for the last week get attacked by both turkey and its radical militias and not in a position to help. u.s. forces were put in a very uncomfortable position. they hated the fact that they had to watch this. they hated the fact that they watched their ally lose control of territory, lose their lives, forced to reach out, to make a deal with their former enemies, the government of bashar al assad, and tonight they are watching once again as american troops pull out, that their allies, their friends who fought against isis with them, lost their homeland, had it divided in half, half of it going to turkey. the other half going to bashar

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MSNBC Live With Katy Tur-20191017-18:26:00

deal. >> are you sure this will last more than five days? a lot of stuff can disappear in five days? >> i think it's going to last. i think president erdogan is very smart. he wants it to last. he want safe to say for his people. look, say what you want. a lot of bad things happen to turkey from that district. from that 22-mile stretch. a lot of people in turkey were killed. so that's not fair. nobody likes to mention that. this was a great thing for the kurds. this was a great thing for turkey. this is great for everybody. and frankly, the thing that i'm most happy about is that we were -- i took a lot of heat, but that we were able to do it so fast. i thought this would go on for longer. this was such a smart thing to get it done so fast. >> is president erdogan still coming next month to the white house? >> now i would say that's very much open. i would say, yeah, he would come. he did a terrific thing. he's a leader. he had to make a decision. a lot of people wouldn't have made that decision, because they don't know. they ultimately would have made it, but what he did was very

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MSNBC Live With Katy Tur-20191017-18:06:00

have now been forced to leave. so it means the end of an autonomous area that the kurds controlled for themselves backed by u.s. forces here in syria. that is what just happened right now. >> richard engel in northern syria. richard, i want to bring in your colleague, keir simmons. keir, you're in ankara, you're in turkey where that press conference just happened. what exactly did the turkish get and what exactly did the u.s. get? >> reporter: well, katy, the turkish government got a lot. i think that the u.s. government is going to be open to the accusations that effectively it's handed turkey a victory. i mean, vice president pence here took a limited number of questions, but one of the important questions he took is, is this a second betrayal of the kurds? because what you are seeing now is washington agreeing to exactly what president erdogan said that he wanted, which is this safe zone. washington has accepted that.

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MSNBC Live With Katy Tur-20191017-18:22:00

ad nauseam that there's no quid pro quo here. that's essentially impossible to do when the white house says, in fact, there was, just not what the white house was focused on. that's what we've seen in other cases with this white house, essentially normal i'd behavior and dare democrats to do something about it. >> garrett -- >> reporter: we will see now how democrats respond to this admission. >> i'm sorry to interrupt. the president is speaking about syria. let's listen for a moment. >> the kurds were great. great day for the kurds. it's really a great day for civilization. it's a great day for civilization. so i just want to thank everybody. >> mr. president, doesn't turkey get everything? [ inaudible ] >> well, sanctions won't be necessary, because turkey's doing what they're doing. i didn't need congress for sanctions, because, i can do sanctions that are tougher than congress and i was prepared to do that. i just want to thank and congratulate, though, president erdogan. he's a friend of mine and i'm glad weapon didn't ha didn't ha. because frankly he's a hell of a leader and he's a tough man, he's a strong man, and he did

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MSNBC Live With Katy Tur-20191017-18:25:00

inclined to do what has to be done. turkey is much more inclined to do what has to be done. turkey wouldn't have done this three days ago. the kurds would not have done it three days ago. this is a situation where everybody is happy. and i'm happy because there's no fighting. we can bring, certainly most of our people back home for the first time in many years. >> mr. president, you're talking about all of this shooting as though it was part of a plan. are you saying that you planned for these people to attack each other? >> no, no. but i do think this, david, i think it had to be an unconventional solution. because the conventional solution is to sit down, negotiate, and they've done that for more than 15 years. and that was never going to work. but all of a sudden, when they saw how nasty it was and how rough it would get, it would get a hundred times worse than what was happening. when they saw the level of nastiness, they said, let's make a deal. everybody together, let's make a

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