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united states, the individual that wore a white coat and stood at the podium changed dramatically from scott rivkees, widely respected. he's a clinician. he still sees patients. that mattered. to somebody like joe lodaco. to somebody like scott atlas. folks we don't actually consider, many of us who still see patients, physicians. we think of them as wearing themselves or wrapping themselves up in the white coat to put on a political message to help further an aim or an agenda. that's what was happening. the feno type of the m.d. in front of the microphone changed. now we're seeing a cottage industry of those types of doctors out there putting out misinformation. >> i want to read some more of the "times" reporting and then i want to press all of you on just the whole infection of politics and the conversation that's still go on around covid. this is also from the "times" report. "two former aides who spoke
law in certain states if something is done wrong or untoward. that needs to happen at scale in medicine and in public health. if you are -- you need to be held accountable. we don't have those mechanisms in place. you're going toless afind a cottage industry of physicians or those wearing white coats giving credibility to a political agenda in health. >> dave, what is the read, what is the talk in florida, among floridians, particularly if you're among this part of the state that was pandered to really with disinformation about the vaccine not being necessary? >> well, people become so cynical they know it was a political calculation for ron desantis to embrace the anti-vaxx nuts. i mean, these are the same people who are fueling rfk jr.'s presidential campaign. and it also allows desantis to show some daylight between him and his one-time mentor former
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does not open the university up to a line of litigation? >> i'm glad you brought that up because we've had other discussions on the program about how's eye, vague those instructions are. you can consider race but feel free to put it in your college as a because that's your experience. so you're saying this could spawn a cottage industry of litigation. like what? >> imagine a kid puts in a college essay, my parents are from senegal, i am black, i'm also a champion soccer player, and my dad happened to go to this university. there are a number of factors that are going to affect them, and maybe they consider that students race. so it has the student violated the law by thinking about this person's race? for the cottage industry point on this, i do wonder if you are a nonprofit that is opposed to the use of race in admissions, why aren't you suing every university over the coming years to get the records of their admissions decisions to try to figure out how these
>> i know you alluded to this but can you just explain how this will put colleges and universities into this legal quagmire? >> the truth is we don't know what that little expert you read at the end -- you will have now a cottage industry. it's ironic people writing essays stressing their unidimensional racial identity with the exact -- but any matter because the bottom line harvard and selected universities cannot return and will not return to a 1950s sort of ozzie and harriet world. they will do what is necessary to make that not happen. >> for vessel rental kennedy and harry lipman, thank you. >> thank you. next i will speak with two students involved in today's decision who disagree on whether affirmative action helped or hurt them.
essays, or whatever information, zip codes or magazine subscriptions, whatever they are doing to try to figure out people's race, why are they suing them? they absolutely could. the cottage industry, it was my term and it is a little bit cute, but it is. and why wouldn't it be? i think it would be the smart thing to do if this is how you are aligned as an organization or a nonprofit. >> thank you very much. richard, thank you very much for your perspective it is really interesting to hear from you this evening. >> thank you for having me. >> joining me now is university of baltimore constitutional law professor, michael higginbotham. okay michael,. if race is no longer supposed to be a factor, explain what is going to happen on college campuses. >> well, we are going to be in pretty big trouble in terms of creating racial diversity. it is a difficult time that we are in, college campuses are going to have to adjust because
their race had an impact on them going up. but, what does that do, number one, and how do you make that effective and functioning in a way that does not open the university of to a flood of litigation. >> i am glad you brought that up. we've had discussions on this program about how vague those instructions are. you cannot consider race but feel free to put it into your essay because that is your lived experience. so, you say that this could spot a cottage industry of litigation. like what? >> here's a great example. again, imagine a kid puts in a college essay, my parents are from senegal, i am black, i am also a champion soccer player and my dad have been to go to this university. right? there's a number of factors that are going to affect them, and maybe they consider that students race, right? so, has the school violated the law by thinking about this person's race? to the cottage industry point on this, i do wonder if you are a nonprofit opposed to the use of race in admissions, why are
you not suing every university over the coming years, to get the records of their admissions decisions, to try to figure out how these essays or whatever, information, zip codes or magazines of options, whatever they are doing to try to figure out what people's race are, why are they not suing them? and they absolutely could. cottage industry, that is my term that is a little bit cute, but it is. why wouldn't it be? it would be, i think, the smart thing to do if this is how you are aligned as an organization or as a nonprofit. >> thank you. richard, thank you very much for your perspective, really interesting to hear from you this evening. >> thanks for having me. joining me now is university of baltimore constitutional law professor michael higginbotham. michael, if race is no longer supposed to be a factor, explain what is going to happen on college campuses. >> well, we will be in pretty
death penalty brings additional time frames necessary. and it also brings a whole cottage industry of experts and lawyers in. there's a whole industry of people that are opposed to the death penalty, no matter who is charged. even though kohberger is suspected and charged with four heinous murders. you will have all kinds of people coming in to help him to try save his life. so it makes the case more complicate for the state to seek the death penalty. makes appeals far more complicated and lengthy. >> ainsley: aren't his attorneys saying they found d.n.a. evidence of three or four other men in the house. >> you know, ainsley, they do say that. of course, this is to be expected. this was a party house there were lots of people in and out constantly. i would expect there to be other d.n.a. in the location. but not on the knife sheath. >> steve: sure. people are ultimately want justice for those four people who were murdered there, francey. even if he is convicted, he would sit on death row until he