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the house itself, the fraternity house, the college, that might have made all four of them more likely to be targeted but i think from the early statements from town officials, we heard it was a crime of passion, tar targeted. we heard from the corner somebody was angry, personal. all of these things taken together that may have been leaked by the officials speak to something at the crime scene that led them to believe it wasn't a random attack. lawrence: thank you joining us tonight. still ahead, police are waiting on key test results to hopefully break the case open. what happens once the results are in? forensic expert joins us as we speak seek justice for the victims.
the house itself, the fraternity house, the college, that might have made all four of them more likely to be targeted but i think from the early statements from town officials, we heard it was a crime of passion, target targeted. we heard from the corner somebody was angry, personal. all of these things taken together that may have been leaked by the officials speak to something at the crime scene that led them to believe it wasn't a random attack. lawrence: thank you joining us tonight. still ahead, police are waiting on key test results to hopefully break the case open. what happens once the results are in? forensic expert joins us as we speak seek justice for the
the house itself, the fraternity house, the college, that might have made all four of them more likely to be targeted but i think from the early statements from town officials, we heard it was a crime of passion, target targeted. we heard from the corner somebody was angry, personal. all of these things taken together that may have been leaked by the officials speak to something at the crime scene that led them to believe it wasn't a random attack. lawrence: thank you joining us tonight. still ahead, police are waiting on key test results to hopefully break the case open. what happens once the results are in? forensic expert joins us as we speak seek justice for the victims.
>> obviously, the most important thing is to solve the case and execute this person. can you imagine being a parent in a situation like this. >> i cannot imagine ever bearing a child, in these circumstances, not having the answers that you want. not getting that closure. not seeing the justice take place. not having a lot of answers to so me questions that we have. you would think that this individual or individuals took an enormous amount of risk. a house full of people. why would you take that sort of risk. it seems like it is some sort of crime of passion. i wonder if this person or persons if they knew which rooms these four individuals were in weird why did you spare to? how did those people not wake up when the victims had defensive loans? this is such a puzzling case. it is so sad to see for young
targeted a specific person because they knew them. they may have targeted them because they followed them, drove them, had some passing contact with them. but i don't see this as a very close up and personal relationship type killing. >> which would say it wa wasn't a crime of passion. to that point as the killer came in the house, obviously look in one bedroom. if the target was there, if that's what was happening, and they kill both people in the room, why go to the other bedroom and commit another crime, or if they weren't in the first bedroom, why not leave it alone, go to the target's bedroom. but you have two different bedrooms, four people dead. to your point, it seems like it was something other than a crime of passion. >> this seems to me to be someone who wanted to kill. that's why i say there needs to be a team, there probably are by now, looking at other murders around the country that are similar. ted bundy hit in four or
five states over about five years, and the police departments never really connected those dots for several years actually. so i don't know that the system exists out there between states that allows them to sort of mine the data inside police files around the country if you will. there's rudimentary databases, but not the kind of databases they need to connect up the dots. they have to do it almost manually or have someone call from another department, say we have something here. again, my mind goes to a predator. it goes to someone who is a psychotic killer if you will. hate to describe it in those terms, but close up and personal. i just don't see that here. >> it is almost a benefit of the internet and the crime had so much press that people who had similar crimes in their communities that aren't far away are raising their voices, making those connections for law enforcement which i think
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everything else. not only dna, but fingerprints. there are footprints. there are other things that they will do. i think they will continue with their interviews. and i think it's not too late to bring in the fbi. i think it's not too late to deal with the state police. i think it's not too late to continue the interviews with other people who know whether there was a motivation, what happened, and whether, as the mayor said, it was a crime of passion, alison, or something else. >> mary ellen, not to get to grisly, but you also think this will be self do dna, because to stab for people is such a bloody crime scene. and it does leave, as you are describing, evidence from the killer at the crime scene. >> it would. the offender was not evidence conscious. they would've left a lot of evidence at the scene. but in particular, when you stab someone, blood is slippery. and your hand can slip down over the blade. and when that, happens you cut yourself. and when that happens, you bleed.
might be a stalker or someone who had targeted them or might kind of going back to the gainesville murders back in 1990. you say you believe this is a crime of passion; right? and they used an edged weapon and it always leaves a lot of clues, a lot of dna. do you think police hit a wool because we haven't heard anything about any potential suspects. >> no, trace. 13 hit a wall. i don't thinker. going to be very elective about what information they want to put out. they have even affianced a person of interest or potential suspect, they haven't gibbon a description of anybody or anything like that. could they have somebody en their sights? yes. could they have more than one person in their sights? yes. brunt they're being very selective about that. i think ales to your point, the question about a crime of passion, i think it was piti james who once famously said in the murder room, every murder comes down to one of the four ls, love, lust, loathing, or
>> at first i thought they actually had something going so you think that makes sense and you wait to see what they say but now they have said nothing and that they know nothing, so how can you say it's targeted? >> reporter: then the local mayor went further, telling "the new york times" that it could have been a crime of passion, later clarifying that was just one possibility. >> they don't want people to panic. and yet unless you have the evidence that you are willing to share with the public and be transparent about how the investigation is going, these words are complete ly giving false confidence. >> reporter: but police say they can't share their entire case. >> you can't put that out into the public's eye. it would impede the investigation and ultimately might impede justice at the very end of this. >> reporter: but with no suspect identified, many students packed up and left town. >> we don't know anything, so it's definitely uneasy on campus right now. >> reporter: by day four, police recognize their assurances of public safety weren't resonating