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whether they're drugs or money. i would like to think that people can see what is happening here in those terms first except that hunter biden and president biden have to do it on the public stage. i think the idea that this is anyway benefitting the president is far-fetched. i think this is killing them. his parents to see what's going on. he in no way is getting special treatment. to get back to your points about the hearing. you know, congressman fallon was being disingenuous not just about the trafficking issue. hunter biden's lawyer, abbe lowell who i interacted with including on this particular issue is that they in writing told the committee that hunter would testify in public. the second time they did it was at a public press conference on the hill. yesterday was the third time. you have to ask yourself, why don't they want hunter biden in public? it's simple. they love yelling about the questions. they don't want to hear the answers. they also don't want anyone to

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des moines, iowa. this is the story this hour. former president trump just held a news conference in new york city. the closing arguments on the other side of this equation are still underway in this fraud trial. the former president saying again today that he's innocent. he's done nothing wrong. watch. >> so they have no case. it's a shame that a thing like this is able to happen. businesses leave new york. >> martha: hunter biden on the other coast of the country, we're waiting for his arrival in court in los angeles on tax charges. one day after causing chaos on capitol hill when he showed up unexpectedly at his contempt of congress hearing as if he was open to testifying and speaking at the hearing except when he didn't like the way things were going, he stormed out. matt whitaker is standing by here in iowa where he's born and

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window in to whether president biden thinks his son should pay penalties if he's found guilty of this. >> that's the old adage do as i say, not as i do. that's what they constantly said. the wealthy need to pay their fair share. his son was wealthy. he was making a very high income. we don't know what his business actually did, what services that they provided or what goods they sold other than selling influence and pedalling access. he had millions -- it's not only what he's being charged with, there's other taxes in tax years he didn't pay his proper fair share. he could pay those. he's outside of the statute of limitations. he can still morally and ethically do the right thing and pay the taxes back. he's not. his dad doesn't say boo about that either. >> martha: he's paid some of them. pat fallon, good to see you. >> thanks, martha.

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>> martha: we're minutes away from hunter biden's arraignment in a los angeles courtroom. he's facing tax charges that could total, if convicted, to 17 years in prison. just yesterday the president's son caused a lot of chaos on capitol hill when he decided he would march in to the contempt hearing for him on capitol hill. he walked into the room, sat down until he didn't like what they were saying and got up with his attorney and friend and walked out. so he had defied a subpoena to testify in private. he insisted on a public hearing and that all carried out in front of a judiciary and oversight committees as they sent that contempt resolution to the full house now for a vote. texas republican congressman pat fallon was at that wild hearing

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difficult time trying to sell his economic plan with not much time left in the year to get some kind of result that is positive for them in that aspect. of course, there were a lot of questions by iowa voters about this massive under precedented illegal immigration surge that we're seeing affecting every city across the country, big and small. so every candidate got those questions and had similar answers in terms of what they would do as president. those are issues that the biden campaign has had a difficult time addressing generally the other thing that we saw is the woman you you had for the desantis town hall and the trump town hall. she was waivering on who she voted for. he said after talking to family and friends, i'm going to be voting for president donald trump. so people in iowa are talking to each other, having these discussions. it's impacted by what they hear from the candidates. so going into monday, those discussions will be happening as people are casting their votes.

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as well. >> martha: okay. let's bring in texas republican pat fallon. he was in the room when hunter biden showed up yesterday surprising everyone at his contempt hearing. thanks very much for being here. i'd like to start with those comments from the first lady. she says that house republicans are treating her family in a cruel manner what do you say in response to that? >> it infuriates me, martha. what was cruel -- hunter biden was cruel to himself and to the american public and the american taxpayer. he chose not to pay $1.4 million in taxes that he owe. he didn't do that. he chose to insolve himself in sex trafficking, involve himself in hard drug use. he chose to sell, influence and pedal access to his father to the tune of millions, many to our enemies, china for one. and so this is all on him. you know what? there's consequences for your actions. so to sit there and say this is about addiction or republican

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down and answer them or just come as an observer? >> that was a stunt. apparently he's filming a documentary he's going to try to cash in on. you need to know the truth. the truth is this is about the process. you get deposed. when we have a deposition, which is done in the same room with our committee hearings, you get to ask hundreds of hours of questions if necessary. there's an unlimited clock. when you have public testimony, each congressman gets five minutes. that totals to five hours. half of that time goes to democrats which would ask him softball questions. so to get to the truth, we need a private deposition and then a public hearing. hunter biden wants to by pass the process so he can have sugar at the end. that's not the way this works. >> martha: what did you make of the argument that republicans refused to come forth when they were subpoenaed on capitol hill and that one of the members said look, i'm happy to move forward

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your thoughts on how this is playing. it's designed -- hard to see it any other way -- to get a lot of attention for him, katie. >> the white house continues to argue that they're not going to comment on this. hunter biden is a private citizen. the secret service is escorting him back and forth on flights. so the taxpayer is footing the bill for a stunt that he did yesterday on capitol hill, flying him back to los angeles now to be arraigned on the federal tax charges. there's the tax charges on the money, which where was the money coming from? it was part of hunter biden's grand business scheme around the world that joe biden was a partner too and involved in, which the white house doesn't want to talk about. to your point, martha, about the policy issues that the biden administration and the biden campaign are trying to sell to the american people for his re-election is that rich people should pay their fair share. just today the white house

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with is a subpoena for hunter biden if you are willing to do the same thing for the republicans that didn't show up in the same environment? >> well, you know, you're comparing apples to screwdrivers. subpoenaing -- having congress subpoena members of congress is problematic moving forward. those subpoenas were issued by a committee, the january 6th committee that was not properly constituted. nancy pelosi appointed the members. every one of our committees, the democrats appoint their members and the republicans appoint their members. nancy pelosi refused to allow republicans in the january 6th committee. so it was a sham bureau. the democratic majority did not pursue contempt charges because they knew it was problematic. it was different. hunter biden is not a sitting member of congress and a properly constituted member of the oversight committee. >> martha: it was interesting. i keep going back to what he was actually trying to achieve.

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normal case, we've talked a lot about timing and connection with the proceedings that former president trump is involved in. there's a similar timing issue with hunter biden. because obviously he's -- it's difficult for him to defend a case where he was prepared to plead guilty at the misdemeanor level to some of this behavior. so it's matters when the case happens and whether he gets convicted. obviously there's some internal pressure i imagine for president biden to pardon his son. if he does that, he obviously wants to do that after the election rather than before. >> yeah, katie, we've seen this sort of shuttling coast to coast. hunter biden was in an airport yesterday after busting in to the congressional hearing and storming out. quite dramatic.

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