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iran. i recognise that if somebody came into my business with similar views, i wouldn't know them from adam. —— i wouldn't want to do business with nigel farage. ifind his views personally abhorrent, why can't coutts decide? but his views personally abhorrent, why can't coutts decide?— can't coutts decide? but being personally _ can't coutts decide? but being personally abhorrent - can't coutts decide? but being personally abhorrent to - can't coutts decide? but being - personally abhorrent to someone's views— personally abhorrent to someone's views doesn't allow you to stop doing _ views doesn't allow you to stop doing business with them. there are le-al doing business with them. there are legal rights — doing business with them. there are legal rights and liberties in the united — legal rights and liberties in the united kingdom and we have two... it united kingdom and we have two... [i is my united kingdom and we have two... it is my business. hang _ united kingdom and we have two... it is my business. hang on _ united kingdom and we have two... it is my business. hang on a _ united kingdom and we have two... it is my business. hang on a minute, i is my business. hang on a minute, coutts need _ is my business. hang on a minute, coutts need to _ is my business. hang on a minute, coutts need to come _ is my business. hang on a minute, coutts need to come out. - is my business. hang on a minute, coutts need to come out. they - is my business. hang on a minute, l coutts need to come out. they have said the _ coutts need to come out. they have said the exact opposite, that they did not— said the exact opposite, that they did not get rid of farage because of his political views. then it came to li-ht his political views. then it came to light that — his political views. then it came to light that they did. so they need to make _ light that they did. so they need to make it _ light that they did. so they need to make it clear. you as a business owner— make it clear. you as a business owner would actually say, we do not want to _ owner would actually say, we do not want to deal with this type of person. — want to deal with this type of person, with this type of beliefs. that is— person, with this type of beliefs. that is fine, if that's what they want _ that is fine, if that's what they want to— that is fine, if that's what they want to do— that is fine, if that's what they want to do and they want to put that
hold fire, let's hearfrom chris first. what are your thoughts, chris? good morning.- first. what are your thoughts, chris? good morning. good morning. i think the first — chris? good morning. good morning. i think the first thing _ chris? good morning. good morning. i think the first thing that _ chris? good morning. good morning. i think the first thing that comes - think the first thing that comes into my— think the first thing that comes into my mind _ think the first thing that comes into my mind as _ think the first thing that comes into my mind as we _ think the first thing that comes into my mind as we need - think the first thing that comes into my mind as we need to. think the first thing that comes . into my mind as we need to keep think the first thing that comes - into my mind as we need to keep in our minds— into my mind as we need to keep in our minds that— into my mind as we need to keep in our minds that nigel— into my mind as we need to keep in our minds that nigel farage - into my mind as we need to keep in l our minds that nigel farage whatever else he _ our minds that nigel farage whatever else he is, _ our minds that nigel farage whatever else he is, is— our minds that nigel farage whatever else he is, is a— our minds that nigel farage whatever else he is, is a fantastic— our minds that nigel farage whatever else he is, is a fantastic self- else he is, is a fantastic self publicist _ else he is, is a fantastic self publicist he _ else he is, is a fantastic self publicist. he will— else he is, is a fantastic self publicist. he willjump- else he is, is a fantastic self publicist. he willjump on. else he is, is a fantastic self- publicist. he willjump on anything, it seems— publicist. he willjump on anything, it seems to — publicist. he willjump on anything, it seems to me. _ publicist. he willjump on anything, it seems to me, that _ publicist. he willjump on anything, it seems to me, that will— publicist. he willjump on anything, it seems to me, that will promote i it seems to me, that will promote his profile — it seems to me, that will promote his profile and _ it seems to me, that will promote his profile and his— it seems to me, that will promote his profile and his ideas. - it seems to me, that will promote his profile and his ideas. he - it seems to me, that will promote his profile and his ideas. he has. it seems to me, that will promote his profile and his ideas. he has a| his profile and his ideas. he has a massive _ his profile and his ideas. he has a massive platform, _ his profile and his ideas. he has a massive platform, so _ his profile and his ideas. he has a massive platform, so he - his profile and his ideas. he has a massive platform, so he is - his profile and his ideas. he has a massive platform, so he is not. his profile and his ideas. he has a massive platform, so he is not anj massive platform, so he is not an ordinary— massive platform, so he is not an ordinary chap _ massive platform, so he is not an ordinary chap. he— massive platform, so he is not an ordinary chap. he is— massive platform, so he is not an ordinary chap. he is not- massive platform, so he is not an ordinary chap. he is not like - massive platform, so he is not an ordinary chap. he is not like the i ordinary chap. he is not like the other— ordinary chap. he is not like the other people _ ordinary chap. he is not like the other people on _ ordinary chap. he is not like the other people on the _ ordinary chap. he is not like the other people on the caller- ordinary chap. he is not like the . other people on the caller myself. but he _ other people on the caller myself. but he is — other people on the caller myself. but he is onto— other people on the caller myself. but he is onto something, - other people on the caller myself. but he is onto something, isn't i other people on the caller myself. l but he is onto something, isn't he, is he onto something here? i go backwards _ is he onto something here? i go backwards and _ is he onto something here? i go backwards and forwards on this but i think where — backwards and forwards on this but i think where i— backwards and forwards on this but i think where i have _ backwards and forwards on this but i think where i have ended _ backwards and forwards on this but i think where i have ended up- backwards and forwards on this but i think where i have ended up is- think where i have ended up is natwest — think where i have ended up is natwest had _ think where i have ended up is natwest had effectively - think where i have ended up is| natwest had effectively looked think where i have ended up is. natwest had effectively looked at their business _ natwest had effectively looked at their business and _ natwest had effectively looked at their business and they _ natwest had effectively looked at their business and they had - natwest had effectively looked at their business and they had said, | natwest had effectively looked at i their business and they had said, we have this _ their business and they had said, we have this brand _ their business and they had said, we have this brand called _ their business and they had said, we have this brand called coutts. -
going around with his credit card saying i bank with them, that is his business. but saying i bank with them, that is his business. �* . . , saying i bank with them, that is his business. �* . , , , saying i bank with them, that is his business-_ iti business. but apparently, he is. it was in the — business. but apparently, he is. it was in the public _ business. but apparently, he is. it was in the public domain. - business. but apparently, he is. it was in the public domain. what i business. but apparently, he is. it| was in the public domain. what are ou was in the public domain. what are you saying? _ was in the public domain. what are you saying? he _ was in the public domain. what are you saying? he was _ was in the public domain. what are you saying? he was happy - was in the public domain. what are you saying? he was happy to - was in the public domain. what are you saying? he was happy to bring | was in the public domain. what are l you saying? he was happy to bring it into the public— you saying? he was happy to bring it into the public domain. _ you saying? he was happy to bring it into the public domain. so _ into the public domain. so reputation me, he puts coutts at risk. �* . , reputation me, he puts coutts at risk. �* , , risk. because they elbowed him. i read the dossier _ risk. because they elbowed him. i read the dossier this _ risk. because they elbowed him. i read the dossier this morning. - risk. because they elbowed him. i read the dossier this morning. we have keir starmer coming on at 10.00 taking calls and i got rather sidetracked reading the coutts natwest dossier about nigel farage so i got a bit behind in my preparation for keir starmer. it is “p preparation for keir starmer. it is up to you, you can call him, it's your questions but all these things he were nailing him for, comparing blm to the taliban. net zero is net stupid. dehumanising immigrants. they accused him of that, being very, very critical of those people coming over in the boats. and also
with coutts because of his beliefs. and yes, he has a following, but thankfully it is a minority following. a lot of us find the way he acted completely abhorrent. so why not call him out?— he acted completely abhorrent. so why not call him out? again, coutts is art of why not call him out? again, coutts is part of the _ why not call him out? again, coutts is part of the natwest _ why not call him out? again, coutts is part of the natwest group. - why not call him out? again, coutts is part of the natwest group. theyl is part of the natwest group. they haven't _ is part of the natwest group. they haven't said. — is part of the natwest group. they haven't said, as— is part of the natwest group. they haven't said, as a _ is part of the natwest group. they haven't said, as a business, - is part of the natwest group. they haven't said, as a business, as - is part of the natwest group. they haven't said, as a business, as a l haven't said, as a business, as a group. _ haven't said, as a business, as a group. they— haven't said, as a business, as a group, they haven't _ haven't said, as a business, as a group, they haven't said - haven't said, as a business, as a group, they haven't said we - haven't said, as a business, as a i group, they haven't said we won't bank— group, they haven't said we won't bank with— group, they haven't said we won't bank with nigel— group, they haven't said we won't bank with nigel farage. _ group, they haven't said we won't bank with nigel farage. we - group, they haven't said we won't bank with nigel farage. we are l group, they haven't said we won't. bank with nigel farage. we are not going _ bank with nigel farage. we are not going to _ bank with nigel farage. we are not going to the — bank with nigel farage. we are not going to the bank— bank with nigel farage. we are not going to the bank him. _ bank with nigel farage. we are not going to the bank him. they- bank with nigel farage. we are not going to the bank him. they have l going to the bank him. they have said we _ going to the bank him. they have said we don't— going to the bank him. they have said we don't want _ going to the bank him. they have said we don't want nigel- going to the bank him. they have said we don't want nigel farage's name _ said we don't want nigel farage's name and — said we don't want nigel farage's name and profile _ said we don't want nigel farage's name and profile as _ said we don't want nigel farage's name and profile as somebody. said we don't want nigel farage's. name and profile as somebody who said we don't want nigel farage's- name and profile as somebody who has strong _ name and profile as somebody who has strong views _ name and profile as somebody who has strong views in — name and profile as somebody who has strong views in a — name and profile as somebody who has strong views in a different, _ name and profile as somebody who has strong views in a different, in _ name and profile as somebody who has strong views in a different, in a - strong views in a different, in a number— strong views in a different, in a numberof— strong views in a different, in a number of different— strong views in a different, in a number of different areas - strong views in a different, in a number of different areas that i strong views in a different, in a . number of different areas that do not align— number of different areas that do not align with _ number of different areas that do not align with our _ number of different areas that do not align with our own _ number of different areas that do not align with our own values - not align with our own values associated _ not align with our own values associated with _ not align with our own values associated with this - not align with our own values| associated with this particular brand — associated with this particular brand within _ associated with this particular brand within our— associated with this particular brand within our business. . associated with this particulari brand within our business. but associated with this particular brand within our business. but let me ut brand within our business. but let me put this _ brand within our business. but let me put this to _ brand within our business. but let me put this to you, _ brand within our business. but let me put this to you, shouldn't - brand within our business. but let me put this to you, shouldn't our| me put this to you, shouldn't our values... carlin birmingham is coming up. shouldn't our values be pluralistic values?—
ever known where mr farage banked had this not all come out? thank you very much, mr farage who is on a mission. why is a bank worried about their reputation because somebody banks with them and 99.99999% of people in the country wouldn't know he banked with them. i don't understand that. can somebody tell me, please question might get in touch with me. and another point here, i know this is about you and not about me, but another point here, over the last few years, any number of interesting people with interesting views from interesting places have banked with interesting banks in this country. mr farage, whatever you think of him, you could argue he is the least of it. i whatever you think of him, you could argue he is the least of it.— argue he is the least of it. i think that may well — argue he is the least of it. i think that may well be _ argue he is the least of it. i think that may well be the _ argue he is the least of it. i think that may well be the case. - argue he is the least of it. i think that may well be the case. i - argue he is the least of it. i think| that may well be the case. i think though— that may well be the case. i think though that — that may well be the case. i think though that coutts _ that may well be the case. i think though that coutts promotes - that may well be the case. i think though that coutts promotes its i though that coutts promotes its business — though that coutts promotes its business on _ though that coutts promotes its business on the _ though that coutts promotes its business on the back— though that coutts promotes its business on the back of- though that coutts promotes its business on the back of the - though that coutts promotes its| business on the back of the type though that coutts promotes its i business on the back of the type of people _ business on the back of the type of people that — business on the back of the type of people that would _ business on the back of the type of people that would be _ business on the back of the type of people that would be banking - business on the back of the type of people that would be banking with| people that would be banking with that particular—
coming up. shouldn't our values be pluralistic values? what do you mean b that? pluralistic values? what do you mean by that? accommodating _ pluralistic values? what do you mean by that? accommodating people - pluralistic values? what do you mean by that? accommodating people of. by that? accommodating people of many different _ by that? accommodating people of many different beliefs _ by that? accommodating people of many different beliefs and - by that? accommodating people of| many different beliefs and thoughts and political and philosophical positions? and political and philosophical ositions? . and political and philosophical ositions? , ., , positions? yes, of course, in society- _ positions? yes, of course, in society- iout _ positions? yes, of course, in society. but when _ positions? yes, of course, in society. but when you - positions? yes, of course, in society. but when you are i positions? yes, of course, in - society. but when you are running a business, surely you get to decide. and dame rose actually went on public— and dame rose actually went on public record _ and dame rose actually went on public record in _ and dame rose actually went on public record in the _ and dame rose actually went on public record in the guardian - and dame rose actually went onj public record in the guardianjust two days— public record in the guardianjust two days ago— public record in the guardianjust two days ago i_ public record in the guardianjust two days ago i think _ public record in the guardianjust two days ago i think it _ public record in the guardianjust two days ago i think it was, - public record in the guardianjust. two days ago i think it was, saying that her— two days ago i think it was, saying that her inclusion _ two days ago i think it was, saying that her inclusion was _ two days ago i think it was, saying that her inclusion was massively . that her inclusion was massively important — that her inclusion was massively important so— that her inclusion was massively important. so inclusion - that her inclusion was massively important. so inclusion is - that her inclusion was massively important. so inclusion is a - that her inclusion was massively. important. so inclusion is a policy of natwest — important. so inclusion is a policy of natwest bank, _ important. so inclusion is a policy of natwest bank, then— important. so inclusion is a policy of natwest bank, then they - important. so inclusion is a policy of natwest bank, then they need | important. so inclusion is a policy. of natwest bank, then they need to come _ of natwest bank, then they need to come out _ of natwest bank, then they need to come out and — of natwest bank, then they need to come out and be _ of natwest bank, then they need to come out and be absolutely - of natwest bank, then they need to come out and be absolutely clear. come out and be absolutely clear that specific— come out and be absolutely clear that specific banks _ come out and be absolutely clear that specific banks within - come out and be absolutely clear that specific banks within the - come out and be absolutely clear. that specific banks within the group do not _ that specific banks within the group do not wish — that specific banks within the group do not wish to— that specific banks within the group do not wish to take _ that specific banks within the group do not wish to take certain - that specific banks within the group do not wish to take certain types i that specific banks within the group do not wish to take certain types ofj do not wish to take certain types of clients _ do not wish to take certain types of clients because _ do not wish to take certain types of clients because of— do not wish to take certain types of clients because of their— do not wish to take certain types of clients because of their political- clients because of their political beliefs — clients because of their political beliefs or— clients because of their political beliefs or other— clients because of their political beliefs or other beliefs, - clients because of their political beliefs or other beliefs, then i clients because of their political. beliefs or other beliefs, then they need _ beliefs or other beliefs, then they need to— beliefs or other beliefs, then they need to make _ beliefs or other beliefs, then they need to make that _ beliefs or other beliefs, then they need to make that clear. - beliefs or other beliefs, then they need to make that clear. you i beliefs or other beliefs, then theyl need to make that clear. you can't be saying — need to make that clear. you can't be saying we — need to make that clear. you can't be saying we are _ need to make that clear. you can't be saying we are all _ need to make that clear. you can't be saying we are all of _ need to make that clear. you can't be saying we are all of her- be saying we are all of her inclusion— be saying we are all of her inclusion but— be saying we are all of her inclusion but we _ be saying we are all of her inclusion but we want i be saying we are all of her inclusion but we want to l be saying we are all of her- inclusion but we want to exclude people _ inclusion but we want to exclude people on— inclusion but we want to exclude people on political— inclusion but we want to exclude people on political or— inclusion but we want to exclude people on political or religious. inclusion but we want to exclude | people on political or religious or any other— people on political or religious or
do it in the first place?— do it in the first place? for you, he is a great — do it in the first place? for you, he is a great antiestablishmentl he is a great antiestablishment figure in a sense, nigel farage? look, whether you agree with it or not, _ look, whether you agree with it or not. he _ look, whether you agree with it or not. he is — look, whether you agree with it or not. he is a — look, whether you agree with it or not, he is a principled man. that is lost in _ not, he is a principled man. that is lost in politics at the minute. this is a unique _ lost in politics at the minute. this is a unique figure _ lost in politics at the minute. tt 3 is a unique figure in many ways, in politics, a principled man? t is a unique figure in many ways, in politics, a principled man?- politics, a principled man? i think we are moving — politics, a principled man? i think we are moving away _ politics, a principled man? i think we are moving away from - politics, a principled man? i think we are moving away from the - politics, a principled man? i think. we are moving away from the issue here. i don't think we need to get into what nigel farage is or isn't. they handled it really badly and she probably did have to go but they should be able to choose who they want to do business with and make it a lot clearer and nobody should ever know. that is my point.— know. that is my point. thank you. points all along _ know. that is my point. thank you. points all along the _ know. that is my point. thank you. points all along the line, _ know. that is my point. thank you. points all along the line, very - points all along the line, very powerfully and intelligently made, as ever. thank you so much for the
their business and they had said, we have this brand called coutts. he - their business and they had said, we have this brand called coutts. he isi have this brand called coutts. he is promoting — have this brand called coutts. he is promoting the _ have this brand called coutts. he is promoting the fact _ have this brand called coutts. he is promoting the fact he _ have this brand called coutts. he is promoting the fact he banks - have this brand called coutts. he is promoting the fact he banks with l promoting the fact he banks with coutts— promoting the fact he banks with coutts and — promoting the fact he banks with coutts and there _ promoting the fact he banks with coutts and there is _ promoting the fact he banks with coutts and there is a _ promoting the fact he banks with coutts and there is a lot - promoting the fact he banks with coutts and there is a lot of- promoting the fact he banks with| coutts and there is a lot of cachet among _ coutts and there is a lot of cachet among the — coutts and there is a lot of cachet among the people _ coutts and there is a lot of cachet among the people who _ coutts and there is a lot of cachet among the people who bank- coutts and there is a lot of cachet among the people who bank with| among the people who bank with coutts _ among the people who bank with coutts the — among the people who bank with coutts. the bank— among the people who bank with coutts. the bank sort _ among the people who bank with coutts. the bank sort of - among the people who bank with coutts. the bank sort of said, - among the people who bank with| coutts. the bank sort of said, this looks— coutts. the bank sort of said, this looks as _ coutts. the bank sort of said, this looks as if— coutts. the bank sort of said, this looks as if it — coutts. the bank sort of said, this looks as if it might _ coutts. the bank sort of said, this looks as if it might injure - coutts. the bank sort of said, this looks as if it might injure that - looks as if it might injure that particular— looks as if it might injure that particular brand. _ looks as if it might injure that particular brand. to _ looks as if it might injure that particular brand. to say - looks as if it might injure that particular brand. to say as . looks as if it might injure that particular brand. to say as a i looks as if it might injure that - particular brand. to say as a group we won't _ particular brand. to say as a group we won't offer _ particular brand. to say as a group we won't offer you _ particular brand. to say as a group we won't offer you any— particular brand. to say as a group we won't offer you any banking - we won't offer you any banking facilitiesm _ we won't offer you any banking facilities... but— we won't offer you any banking facilities... but they _ we won't offer you any banking facilities... but they said... - we won't offer you any banking facilities... but they said... it. facilities... but they said... it affects — facilities... but they said... it affects the _ facilities... but they said... it affects the brand. _ facilities... but they said... it affects the brand.— facilities... but they said... it affects the brand. . ., ., ., , affects the brand. hang on, who was at cominu affects the brand. hang on, who was at coming in? _ affects the brand. hang on, who was at coming in? this _ affects the brand. hang on, who was at coming in? this is _ affects the brand. hang on, who was at coming in? this is brian. - affects the brand. hang on, who was at coming in? this is brian. this - affects the brand. hang on, who was at coming in? this is brian. this is l at coming in? this is brian. this is something — at coming in? this is brian. this is something that _ at coming in? this is brian. this is something that affects _ at coming in? this is brian. this is something that affects everyone, l at coming in? this is brian. this is i something that affects everyone, not 'ust something that affects everyone, not just nigel— something that affects everyone, not just nigel farage. if they are willing — just nigel farage. if they are willing to take him under his political— willing to take him under his political views, what about average ordinary _ political views, what about average ordinary individual, again, who are being _ ordinary individual, again, who are being asked in the banks, overthe counter— being asked in the banks, overthe counter what they are spending their money— counter what they are spending their money on _ counter what they are spending their money on and how they are using their— money on and how they are using their money? whether or not they can withdraw— their money? whether or not they can withdraw it _ their money? whether or not they can withdraw it or not and whether... how— withdraw it or not and whether... how would — withdraw it or not and whether... how would we know, how would we have
have to _ reported or something like that. we have to assess whether or not we want _ have to assess whether or not we want banks — have to assess whether or not we want banks to have that kind of power — want banks to have that kind of power over our finances. they are unelected — power over our finances. they are unelected officials. i think government should be taking a new look at _ government should be taking a new look at this. i have been asked, others — look at this. i have been asked, others were asked, i have a friend accused _ others were asked, i have a friend accused of— others were asked, i have a friend accused of money—laundering because they return _ accused of money—laundering because they return somebody's finances to them _ they return somebody's finances to them who — they return somebody's finances to them who had invested in their business — them who had invested in their business. without any investigation. so again. _ business. without any investigation. so again, with all this march towards _ so again, with all this march towards a _ so again, with all this march towards a digital economy and things like that, _ towards a digital economy and things like that, do we want banks to have this much— like that, do we want banks to have this much power? i don't think so. there _ this much power? i don't think so. there needs — this much power? i don't think so. there needs to be new rights for the consumer. _ there needs to be new rights for the consumer, for the account holder, where _ consumer, for the account holder, where banks cannot refuse new transactions or money transfers based _ transactions or money transfers based on — transactions or money transfers based on their view of your activity _ based on their view of your activity i— based on their view of your activi . ~ , based on their view of your activi . ,, , , based on their view of your activi . ~ , , ., , activity. i think this is really, really interesting _ activity. i think this is really, really interesting and - activity. i think this is really, really interesting and it - activity. i think this is really, really interesting and it is i activity. i think this is really, really interesting and it is a l activity. i think this is really, - really interesting and it is a huge debate which is at the heart of this. mr farage clearly knows that, whatever you think about mr farage.
nowadays, that is fine. they make that absolutely clear. so surely they have a duty to the public to say, don't come and bank with us if your views are x, y or z because we do not want you as a customer. so if they want to protect their brand, then surely any business that wants to protect their brand has to start from a basis of honesty.— to protect their brand has to start from a basis of honesty. whether you are makin: from a basis of honesty. whether you are making cakes _ from a basis of honesty. whether you are making cakes or— from a basis of honesty. whether you are making cakes or making - are making cakes or making investment, you should be able to choose your clients. nicky, we have brian, mark, chris, let's have you, what do you think about this? it is full of so many interesting angles. there is the broader angle that was brought up by brian, this is happening to people out there, is it happening to people out there, is it happening to people out there, is it happening to you? andy mr farage angle, what do you think? i happening to you? andy mr farage angle, what do you think?- angle, what do you think? i think that coutts _ angle, what do you think? i think that coutts have _ angle, what do you think? i think that coutts have the _ angle, what do you think? i think that coutts have the right - angle, what do you think? i think that coutts have the right to - angle, what do you think? i think. that coutts have the right to choose who they do business with. if i owned a business, i certainly wouldn't want to do business with