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are right. it is a business. and if you want to get the business' attention, don't just show up and buy a ticket. don't try to shut it down for everybody else that wants to see the film. ainsley: if you all look at the fact. >> no one is trying to ban anything. ainsley: jamila, it's been playing for 34 years. tradition factor people are upset about. academy awards love story southern bell and confederate soldier and maddy mcdowell was the first american actress to win an academy award. those are a lot of positive things that came out of this movie. wouldn't that be positive for the african-american community? hatie mcdaniel won the award whether this movie or not doesn't take anything away from hatie mcdaniel who could not go into any restaurant or establishment as she accepted her oscar award for her performance. so, to say well, you're denying the heritage, you know, clark gable is a black man. was a black man. nobody talked about the fact
ones who are going to carry a lot of people through. >> jamila: it makes me glad to be human. it makes me recognize that as a humanist, i'm not a person who prays or subscribes to religion or whatnot, and if that's helpful, great. but it's the work of human hands. it's the work of people saying i'm going to put myself at risk to save another human life because human life is the greatest good we have, and it's always to be protected. it doesn't matter if you are, straight, black, white, wet, dry, whatever. it's about putting humanity first, and that's the greatest thing that any human can do. >> lisa: president trump sounding off on his pardoning of sheriff joe arpaio. we will be back in a minutes. for your heart...
bernie sanders truly did the commuting of someone like him bt then has a problem with this, calling it -- >> jamila: my issue, i agree, here's the thing. here's my point. a bad pardon, we are on the same side with that. this is someone, however, arpaio was looking at making certain judges do not come after him to obey the law. he was investigating the family member of the judge. >> eboni: let me say i despise the actions of the sheriff. that's the thing about pardons. we are not going to relitigate the underlying nature of what chelsea manning did or oscar or sheriff joe. that's the very point of a pardon. the president, whoever that is occupying 1600 pennsylvania avenue gets full discretion over who to administer them too. we can have a feeling who we can like or dislike it, but that's the nature of a presidential
>> kat: president trump address firestorm around his pardon of joe arpaio, the controversial maricopa county arizona sheriff. >> he has done a great job for the people of arizona. he has very strong on borders, very strong on illegal immigration. he is loved in arizona. i thought he was treated unbelievably unfairly. i stand by my pardon of sheriff joe, and i think the people of arizona who really know him best would agree with me. >> kat: jimmy law. this man violated the constitution and was very, very proud of having done so and yet we don't say president trump saying he may have made a mistake but i pardoned him. same great job. >> jamila: it's going to be a judicial crisis. arpaio did violate the constitution but let's ignore that for a moment. let's talk about the fact that he violated a federal order and while he was being investigated for the illegal violation of a
pardon. >> jamila: dangerous message. >> lisa: they are always divisive. they are more harmful politically to the president than they are helpful, and we go through this the end of every administration. president trump has decided to take on this contentious one early on. >> kat: he doesn't want to acknowledge that sheriff joe did anything wrong. >> lisa: a liberal law professor at george washington university made the point that benny just made and gillian. looking at bill clinton and his pardoning of marc rich and saying it pales in comparison to previous presidents. >> kat: we have to say goodbye to our specialists, gillian turner and jamila bey. up next, more on that devastating flooding in texas and louisiana and what folks at home can do to help. you haven't noticed me in two years. i was in a coma.
federal order, he hired a detective to look into the wife of the judge was prosecuting hi him. how can a sitting president think it's okay to pardon someone who would seek to have, i mean, i guess judicial retribution or something for even being investigated. this is dangerous. this is frightening, and this cannot stand. this cannot stand. >> lisa: from your perspective, was at a judicial crisis when president obama commuted the sentence of oscar lopez, someone who is a domestic terrorist who said in the '80s i'm an enemy of the united states government? someone who's been -- the armed forces national liberation was involved in more than 100 bombings that led to -- >> jamila: okay. we are on the same side on this. >> lisa: i have a problem.
general kelly is getting control of the staff. he's moving the people out that he doesn't want, and now we'll see who he can attract in to fill some of the gaps that can make the thing work smoothly. a lot of work has to get done at the staff level at the white house. they don't need to have people kind of fighting with each other all day long. not kind of, but actually fighting with each other. they need to get their work done, and i think general kelly's clearing out the brush so that the new shoots can come up. >> what did you think, jamila, about this tweet from the breitbart editor, war? do you think it depends on your perspective that this is bad news for the president, that he'll harbor some ill will toward the same sort of characters like h.r. mcmaster and others who he was feuding with and just bring it on the outside? what does that mean? >> you know, there's a level of dissonance in the past few days following bannon's own remarks about people who we would consider, on the outside, his base. you know, that he would mock
we have to bring you back if you want to talk about that then, too camille. we will be glad to talk about that. thanks camille and jamila for being with us this morning. >> thank you. >> thank you. ainsley: you're welcome. what's it like to come face to face with isis fighters? >[gunfire] ainsley: our next guest is the one that is run into the gunfire to rescue a little girl. his powerful story and his message from the iraqis to president trump. that's coming up next. and the dramatic new video showing the moment a man crashes his car right into a 10 commandments monument. stay with us. ♪ anything could happen ♪ anything could happen ♪ anything could happen ♪ anything could happen ♪ and you always laugh like you're hearing it for the first time.
media for her lies? >> unfortunately become conventional for folks to use race or gender or allusions discrimination on that basis as a dodge to not talk about the issues that are substantive. and i don't want to overstate the case here. i am skeptical of a lot of more overwrought claims about benghazi, i'm a lot less concerned about some these other things. but, the fact of the matter is, the reason that she has come under scrutiny is because she was a high profile obama official. there is zero evidence whatsoever she has come under unique scriewt any because of her race or gender. it doesn't matter how many times people state the fact that she happens to be a woman or that she happens to be black stating that fact is not proof a of discrimination. ainsley: jamila she went on five sunday shows. she blamed a video. we learned the truth after that. she said bowe bergdahl the deserver was serving with honor and distinction. that was false. he was charged with desertion. then she said during spy gate that she doesn't know anything
jamila, what was your favorite story to talk about today? >> bethune-cookman. american students look to vietnam, the protests in the early to thousands around the world bank. american students on college campuses have always been hellions to raise hell, and i am all for free speech particularly when young people who are shaping this country get together and do it in a way that makes a wave. it >> kat: i have a question for judge alex. i loved the show "judge alex." what's your favorite case ever? >> hard to pick one in particular but i remember one girl who was dating a guy for six months and when they broke up, she handed him a bill for every penny she spent on him. i'm telling you, she itemized postage stamps. this idiot paid her back about