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to just one thing, steph. that is that he has total immunity for anything that he did but he can argue in some way, shape, form, was related to his job as president for the four years he was in office. he is, in essence, arguing that presidents are kings. for that reason, i, think this argument ends up being a loser in front of the court of appeals. >> okay, here's what i don't get, mark, i think i'm in a big circle jerk. donald trump is on the podium saying, if he becomes president, he plans to indict joe biden. at the very same time, the basis of his defense and all of these charges is that he cannot be charged because he has presidential immunity. how can those two things be true? >> are you suggesting that donald trump could be a hypocrite? i've never heard such a thing. look, what is being argued here is quite extraordinary. we are hearing from trump that his interference at the 2020 election was somehow an official presidential act that he had constitutional authority
attend tomorrow's appeals court hearing as he argues he is protected by presidential immunity. former president is also trying to get the case in fulton county, georgia, dismissed on those very same grounds. joining me tonight to discuss, former u.s. attorney, joyce vance, spending 25 years as a federal prosecutor. and mark joseph stern, senior writer covering the courts and the law at slate. miss vance, help us out. what are exactly the legal argument when it comes to presidential immunity? >> trump's argument comes down to just one thing, steph. that is that he has total immunity for anything that he did but he can argue in some way, shape, form, was related to his job as president for the four years he was in office. he is, in essence, arguing that presidents are kings. for that reason, i, think this argument ends up being a loser in front of the court of appeals.
sized hole in accountability for the highest office in the land. is that believable? >> it's really is. particularly, if you look at some of the arguments mixed in the different cases, including in the new york state case at one point his lawyers argued that we should have a temporary stay while i'm still presidents because after i'm president i can be prosecuted criminally. now that he is not president, he is saying, it applies to everything i've done as president. so, they are not using the law and the constitution or any provision. they are using the donald trump immunity defense which is wherever i am, whatever i'm doing, there is immunity. that is a king not a president. that is what jack smith is saying, essentially what judge chutkan said that we do not have kings, you cannot have absolute immunity. even if there were some immunity to carve out for presidents for their official
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ourselves. this is jack myth's federal indictment for election interference based in washington, d.c. and donald trump argued to the trial judge, judge chutkan, that he is immune meaning that he cannot be prosecute the because he claims what he is being charged for fell within the duties as president. judge chutkan rejected that. saying we don't have kings in the country. so now what will happen today is a three judge panel, selected at ran dem from the d.c. circuit, will be asking a series of questions really barraging the lawyer, lawyers will get up there would not at a time, first donald trump's lawyer because he is the one appealing, and he will make his argument and then the questions will come rapid fire. you are trained as soon as you see one of the judges start to ask the question, and take a breath, you shut down what you are saying you listen and you a answer that question. it is scheduled for 20 minute, but they will take as long as
that a president could actually order the assassination and if he is not impeached and convicted immune. >> he is trying to make the argument for jack smith, and this is what jack smith is warning about, are we a country of represents or kings. and trump's lawyer is saying we are a country of presidents and the president can act as he wants or chooses and we have violence. we have violence of january 6th, but the president himself can direct that violence openly and using the official government resources and this is fine. i think that what it does is to establish how dangerous this presidential immunity argument truly is, and to your point, elie, we could have had the original argument speaking about the outer perimeter. hey, i was doing my job, and to protect me and the institution, i should be given the coverage the same way the presidents get the civil immunity and we should
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