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males of military age that has been a big sticking point netanyahu has said in a statement or his office said in a statement, the war will not end until all its goals are achieved, including the return of all our hostages, the elimination of hamas military and governmental capabilities does that wording is that any different than how the wording from when this war began, the military and governmental capabilities i. think what is different is the next sentence in netanyahu's statement. and he's the next sentence said that the current israeli proposal for a hostage deal enables or allows israel to achieve exactly those goals. meaning, what was interesting in netanyahu's statement after biden's speech, he did not attack the speech. he confirmed that everything biden said was basically these rarely position and he did not push back. i think it was very interesting
members of his coalition who are very right-wing that have said they will leave the government if this deal it goes forward. >> so netanyahu and in effect is caught by his own, his own coalition president biden is trying to break through that logjam. he has supported and israel from some members of the workout i'm not to do that, but we're we're we're seeing this is going to take a walk, more pressure from the us. it's probably going to mean breaking up is current israeli government to move forward was really gets at the heart of it because as you mentioned, benjamin netanyahu is really caught between moving forward potentially moving forward with some sort of deal. we're at risking his on political situation. >> so friend of mine, martin, who was are invested, israel said to me months ago, but the basic us strategy was to make prime minister netanyahu swallow the frog, meaning the basic peace plan we have or choke on the frog, meaning his government collapses because he can't accept it. so i think that's exactly where we are right now. kani swallow it,
and end this war that they began. >> reporter: yasmin, one of the big concerns, is everyone on the same page of what is in this deal ? we have seen a pattern before where the white house described what israel is willing to do and then netanyahu came out with, suggesting that was not quite it. we are seeing that again now with netanyahu putting out a statement saying, we are not willing to end this war until hamas is completely eliminated its governing and military capabilities. that is not something president biden laid out. they are also making it clear that they could resume the fighting at any point in time, even if there is a cease-fire. which is not something that hamas wants to see. while we wait for a response from hamas, there is questions about whether israel has committed to what president biden says they have committed to. one opportunity for israel to clarify that may come when prime minister netanyahu addresses both houses of
age that has been a big sticking point netanyahu said in a statement or his office said in a statement, the war went on and until all its goals are achieved, including the return of all our hostages, the elimination of hamas military and governmental capabilities does that wording is that any different than how the wording from when this war began, the military and governmental capabilities i think what is different is the next sentence in netanya statement and the next sentence said that the current israeli proposal for a hostage deal enables or allows israel to achieve exactly those goals. meaning, what was interesting in netanyahu's statement after biden speech, he did not attack the speech. he confirmed that everything biden said was basically these rarely position and he did not push back. i think it was very interesting because at least
in dead cat diplomacy was that parties to a negotiation sometimes really did not want to deal with. what they wanted to make sure was the dead cat or the blame and responsibility for collapse of the negotiations was on the other guy. and i think there is a good deal, certainly on the part of hamas is in stings on this. we will see whether or not hamas responds. if they do, the war cabinet in israel has already approved this and then it will have to go to the full cabinet, and that's with the proverbial rubber will hit the road because netanyahu's extreme right-wing coalition members are clearly and adamantly opposed to this so that's the key question. can he usher this as the president outlined through the perilous waters of domestic israeli politics? but as i mentioned, a lot about this plan is uncertain. the president had to do it. if the only way to de-escalate and perhaps end of the war. took a risk but it was a risk that was clearly warranted and a long time coming? >> i am struck by the fact that
announcement. the three phases have been in play for the last few months and it's not clear to me they have moved forward in terms of resolving the core issue, whether this is going to be a permanent ceasefire. we heard from — be a permanent ceasefire. we heard from hamas saying it views the proposal positively, but you don't think the two sides are any closer to agreeing on this? that's exactly what _ agreeing on this? that's exactly what hamas - agreeing on this? that's| exactly what hamas said agreeing on this? that's - exactly what hamas said last time when they accepted a ceasefire and netanyahu ceasefire and neta nyahu refused. ceasefire and netanyahu refused. ijust don't ceasefire and netanyahu refused. i just don't think it's clear that hamas actually wants a ceasefire right now or that the netanyahu government does. biden is trying to pressure netanyahu and his coalition partners to agree to a ceasefire that they are very reluctant to agree. the israelis are moving forward with the invasion of rafah as we speak, so we are a long way away from having a ceasefire or even serious negotiations. when it comes to _ even serious negotiations. when it comes to the _ even serious negotiations. when it comes to the white _ even serious negotiations. when it comes to the white house, - it comes to the white house, you said president biden is desperate for a ceasefire deal. how much influence do you think
doesn't appear that he can willie choke on it. and the government fall. we'll see, you recently wrote a column about what comes when this war is over, which is a looming question that looms over these pieces talks at it is, it is kind of the big question out there and you're first line is telling me how this war ends, because it is a big question. >> are we getting more clarity? >> so what president biden is true? find a do, and i think he's doing this with help, encouragement from israeli military leaders is describe how this war ends. describe the pathway to the end, and the dad after it began, thinking about governance and gaza, those are questions that many israelis are prepared to address, but some in prime minister netanyahu, coalition or not ready do, to address. and that's the basic impasse here this is a vision of how this terrible war that's caused so much suffering does finally come to a close and president, president biden, i would commend him for pressing that. the problem is there's not yet
as well as the return of all the remaining in hostages. now, president biden said in his speech that this was an israeli proposal, but i think the reaction from the prime minister's office does expose a little bit of daylight between the two men, the prime minister's office says that the israeli government is united and the desire to bring home or hostages as soon as possible. well but they said that netanyahu and his government remain firm. and the fact that they cannot end the war before they are completely have gone after hamas. now, in his speech president biden did apply pressure on the israeli public to pressure their own government to come to an agreement on the steel. and he did call out certain members of the israeli government who he said were opposed to ending the war in gaza. listen to what he said. >> i know there are those in israel who will not agree with this plan and we'll. call for war to continue indefinitely
today, and much closer to what hamas wants. >> i mean, hamas for a long time, it has returning civilians or returning some dead active males of military age that has been a big sticking point netanyahu has said in a statement or his office said in a statement, the war will not end until all its goals are achieved, including the return of all our hostages, the elimination of hamas is military and governmental capabilities. does that wording is that any different than how the wording from when this war began, the military and governmental capabilities i think what is different is the next sentence in netanya statement. and then next sentence said that the current israeli proposal for a hostage deal enables or allows israel to achieve exactly those goals meaning, what was interesting in netanyahu's stay? statement after biden's speech, he did not attack the speech. he
governing coalition have taken a somewhat different view, predict this kind of thing before when other deals have seemed close have said this deal as it seen in their eyes, would be tantamount to a surrender hamas that it would reckless, they wouldn't support it, and they would remove their parties from the governing coalition, causing it most likely to collapse. now that doesn't mean that a deal couldn't get across the line in the knesset, the parliament here, because the opposition has said that it would support but your deal, but certainly that is something else to be preying on netanyahu's mind that if he does go ahead with this deal, that could very well mean early elections. and if opinion polls and right, that would mean his ejection from office. now, the same time as well, that is going on, talks a set to take place in cairo on sunday between the united states, egypt, and israel to try to get the rough for border crossing between gaza and egypt reopens. now, earlier this month is israel took control of that border crossing as part of its operations against hamas in rafah egypt has said that it can't allow humanitarian aid