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investment in a strong surveillance system is going to be critical. >> one of the lessons may be around the way we handled schools. i mean, there's been plenty of focus around that, during this last week, especially. the head of the teachers union testified before congress about this. so, knowing what we know, do you think closing so many schools for so long, was that a mistake? >> well, i think that it's hard to say whether or not it was a mistake. i think, you know, we knew what we knew about the virus at the time. we made decisions that we made, based on the lack of knowledge about the virus. lack of access to vaccines. you know, really trying to protect the most vulnerable and the population. my guess is that the next time that we encounter a respiratory pathogen that's going to spread quickly, we'll make different decisions, based on what we've learned during this pandemic. >> all right. thank you so much for being with us, anne rimoin, really
campaign to eradicate that disease across sudan. i think cholera would also be a massive trigger. if it got out, it would be endemic, ends up the disease that preyings on vulnerable people who don't have alleges to clean water. the other really important point to understand in this context, only 16% of the hospitals or clinics are even working. any pathogen get out in the population would be catastrophic. >> sam kiley in djibouti, thank you so much. in moscow, alesci navalny is now up against two big trials, according to his spokeswoman. he's facing new terrorism charges, along with a extremism case that had him in court today. this comes as his daughter tells
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harry will attend the coronation at buckingham palace, putting out that line in just the last few seconds. pleased to confirm he will attend the coronation at westminster abbey on may the 6th. let's return to the president's trip in belfast. live now to professor duncan morrow, lecturer in politics at ulster university. thank you for being here on the programme. it was intensely personal, he talked about renewal, repair, the technicolor change over the last 25 years, the challenges that still remain. what did you think when you heard joe biden? i think when you heard joe biden? i think you are right, you could feel the personal pathogen. he talked about tasting the divided agreement and peace in northern ireland and that it really mattered. he was keen to stress that. this isn't a visit he made because he has to but because he wants to. it comes in the
>> jesse: fauci had someone film him cry. kind of girly. i don't know scientists with emotions. i don't, i'm sorry. but it wouldn't be a fauci documentary without lies and that's exactly what we got. the guy still refuses to admit he funded gain of function research in wuhan. >> there is a number ever experiments on viruses how are you going to know whether or not they are capable of infecting humans unless you examine them which means doing something under certain circumstances make a pathogen more transmissible or more pathogenic which some people refer to as gain of function research. >> jesse: yeah, did he it. the another thing the lab leak theory is funny. >> the working on was not only sars co-v two it would be molecularly impossible for them to turn it into sars cove 2.
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as if it was heresy on radio or television if i paid attention to the idea that it came from the virology lab instead of the wet market. look where we are today. this week in an interview it was saud he believes it came from a lab leak. >> i think part of the problem is that some of the people initially, not you, but some of the other people speaking in favor of a lab leak were talking about it as a bioweapon. they were suggesting that this was somehow intentional on the part of china or scientists or something ask creating this pathogen. that was wrong. in fact, all the intelligence agencies, including the fbi and energy department have said they do not believe there was intentionality behind it. that's part of the problem. lab leak, now we are saying it could be an accidental lab leak versus it could be animal spillover. and i also think part of the issue is china has been totally wrong in not allowing independent investigations, but
bio weapon suggesting this was somehow intentional on the part of china or scientists, or something, in creating this pathogen. that was wrong, and in fact, all the intelligence agencies, including fbi and energy department have said they do not believe there was intention behind it. i think that's part of the problem that the lab leak, we are saying it could be an accidental lab leak versus animal spillover. i also think part of the issue is, of course, china has been totally wrong in not allowing independent investigations, but to this point, i really don't see what level of evidence will have to be produced in order to convince both sides of this that they are wrong. i don't know if we will ever come to a definitive answer, because people are so doug in and how they think about the origin of covid . so what i'm proposing, i just wrote a "washington post" column about this, we can think both are possible grade don't stop investigating, move forward. we need to prevent the next pandemic.
people now to be implicated with the potential release of a pathogen that has caused the pandemic. >> but he is saying -- his what weld call anecdoal evidence is they're both in that place and they're not everywhere. your response is what? >> you can have both things at the same time. you can have a pathogen in a particular space, but it doesn't necessarily be implicated with the research institute. it could happen in america, where there's more evidence showing there's animals susceptible to sars co-v 2. there's humans there. genetic samples have shown. -- i haven't seen anything from the wuhan institute of virology they had precurors of the virus. >> so when he jokes and people on the internet say, duh, overlap, you're saying that's not significant of anything. >> that's right, that's right. >> yeah. do you want to do more joke fact