on this new hour of diamond, a key member of israel s core cabinet has resigned. what does this departure mean for netanyahu s war on gaza? also, tonight, extremism on the rise, hate group surge across america and why are migrant family still being separated at the u.s. border and being left in limbo. here with is live, let s do it. we began with an important seismic shakeup in the israeli government. benny gantz, one of the three core members of israel s war cabinet and vitamin netanyahu s top clinical rival has resigned. in a press conference today, he said, quote, netanyahu prevents us from moving forward to real victory and accused his far right coalition of prioritizing political considerations over war strategy. last month, gantz gave netanyahu an ultimatum, present a plan for the day after the war in gaza, by june 8th, or else. it was one of the most visible signs of division within the emergency wartime government, a team of political rivals who had until recently projected unity. but netanyahu has not produced a plan for gaza s future beyond rejecting a two state solution and insisting on israel s long- term security oversight over gaza and the west bank. so gantz followed through on his threat to step down, delayed by one day due to the brutal israeli attack to rescue hostages in gaza. today, netanyahu, for a second time, publicly urged gantz to stay, posting on x, quote, israel is in an x essential war on several fronts. benny, this is not the time to abandon a campaign. this is a time to join forces. with gantz s resignation, it will not merely think netanyahu s government but it does mean that he now needs the far right members of his coalition more than ever to stay in power. already, the national security minister highly controversial figure, ben-gvir, one of israel s most radical nationalists and is now demanding a seat in the war cabinet. he is saying he was the power of his party to be given expression and not as it has been until now. gantz was asked today whether his resignation leaves the israeli government without any adults in the room. here is what he said. i was very privileged together with my friends to bring to the cabinet room all the experience we have. i know that the other people, mainly off-balance and they know it should be done hopefully they will stick to what should be done, and it will be okay. this is the biggest shakeup to israel s leadership since october 7, and comes at a critical moment in the war. a comp room hostage deal is on the table right now. the world is waiting for a response from hamas, but it is not clear if israel will also accept the terms outlined by president biden. netanyahu says there are gaps between the proposal biden described and the one he approved, and even ministers like ben-gvir have rejected it. netanyahu will make his case for what he describes as israel s just war when he comes to speak before the u.s. congress. we must ask, will gantz s departure result in real fundamental change for the war in gaza? the problem does not lie singularly with netanyahu but with israel s ideological and institutional approach to the palestinian issue, largely speaking. the policies preventing, for example, palestinian statehood and liberation are deeply entrenched in israeli society and the resignation from one so- called moderate cabinet minister will not necessarily change that. joining me now to discuss this ambassador alan pincus, the formal israeli consul general in new york and chief of staff are four is really foreign ministers and eastern africa studies on the council of foreign relations. he is also the offer of the book, the end of ambition, america s past, present, and future in the middle east. gentlemen, it is great to have both of you with us. ambassador, i will start with you and get your take on this is recognition. does any gantz is recognition change anything about how israel conducts this war in gaza or these talks for a cease- fire and hostage deal? high, good evening. it looks like a drama. it looks like a political earthquake. it is not but it does have the potential to evolve and do something very dramatic if mr. gantz resignation. which is according to most of his critics was related by at least five or six days months. to a large extent, any guest in decision-making and the cabinet was marginal. his ability to affect change in both the prosecution of the war and in developing and crafting a strategy for postwar in gaza was marginal. he essentially became an enabler. i think if you read stephen cook s article on foreign- policy yesterday, even the americans got him wrong in terms of thinking he is some centrist, even left of center. in terms of policy, he is a decent man. there is no malice there. he meant well when he joined the government. it was a time of emergency. effectively, he enabled netanyahu. he is complacent and he is an accomplice to every mistake, every strategic fluid assumption that this government made. now, in terms of how this will affect the war, it doesn t change the fundamental element, the fundamental parameters of what needs to be done. israel still faces a binary choice, except the plan or not except the plan. it sounds bizarre, i m in, netanyahu rejects israel s plan. it is like, you know. 1994. george orwell except that it is netanyahu s 2024. so in that respect, nothing changes as a result of his departure. stephen, there is an interesting element in his press conference, i should say, a fact that came out and that is he is honestly calling for new elections in israel this fall but that was somewhat echoed by chuck schumer here a couple of weeks ago. senate leader chuck schumer, the highest making jewish official american history demanding that netanyahu step aside and calling for early elections, as well. first of all, do you see that happening? what are the chances that the next reiteration of the israeli government does not move further to the right, if you do bring in somebody like ben-gvir or give more power to the more right of netanyahu elements in the government and society. there is pressure coming from the outside for a new elections, and certainly from within, from benny gantz. the other major figure in the opposition. but netanyahu, even with gantz s decision to leave the government has a solid majority in the knesset so he can stick it out as long as he has the support of his partners, the radical right. think of a. this government is likely to move further to the right, as a result. however, it is true, any gantz has played essentially a marginal role. now that you have ben-gvir demanding on a greater say in the war effort, that is likely to move things to the right in ways that are not good for the palestinians, obviously, and the israelis, as well. gantz poss resignation is actually quite puzzling to me and ways. if he is concerned with national security and israel, if he is concerned about the war effort, it strikes me that he would want to remain in the war cabinet and insert himself rather than take himself out and let the country continue its march to the right. and who knows what will happen. ben-gvir and most of us want to resettle the gaza strip. that is an ultimate disaster so it may be that gantz thought he could save himself but fight for another day and improve his political chances. but it leads to a suboptimal outcome for everybody else. what does that mean, stephen, for the united states in the situation? you got the secretary of state, antony blinken now heading to the region for the eighth time since october 7th. they are on the cusp of waking up to an israeli government that is more extreme and, as you just said, potentially calling for the resettling, the full reoccupation of gaza and the displacement, perhaps, of the palestinians. if you do bring in people, or not bring in, but to give people like into mark ben-gvir more power over the conduct of this war and gaza policy. i was perhaps the least optimistic person in washington when it came to a cease-fire anyways. and i am even less optimistic about this. there is no basis for agreement at this point. unfortunately, it seems, after all this terrible bloodshed, that the conflict is not yet ripe for a resolution and secretary of state tony blinken is going to find the same problems that he found on his previous trips. ambassador, your thoughts on what america should do now? as you probably heard my previous hours, spoke to former u.s. army major who resigned saying that america actually does have a lot of leverage over israel. perhaps more so than any other country in the region. he needs to step up and exerted to change course. as a diplomat, former diplomat, i should say. what you think america should do now as it sees this israeli government, and even just consistently moved to the right and to the extreme right with no fundamental change in policy, vis-@-vis the palestinians? in president biden s credit, to president biden s credit. he warned mr. netanyahu, the government was informed that this is an extremist government and then when mr. netanyahu instigated a constitutional coup in january of 23, it was followed by biden not refraining from inviting him to washington, to the white house for nine full months, and then the war rocha, et cetera, et cetera. so yes, the u.s. has all kinds of levers that it can use. it chose, until now, not to use them. and i heard your interview with major, and you made actually, you presented, submitted two premises, and you are right on both. both has letters and chooses not to use them, and, to a large extent, most of its lovers, because mr. netanyahu has been entranced and defiant and is actually seeking confrontation with biden. his plan right now is to try and stall and waste time and wait until america is sucked into its election cycle, full force. around september. and then he hopes that mr. trump will be elected. there is no question and there is no doubt about that. what the u.s. needs to do now is one of two things. it needs to do its basic calculus of how much our american interests being sergeant here. and that pertains to a possible escalation in lebanon and direct feed, rather than what the palestinians or pull out, meaning, you know, say to mr. netanyahu, do what ever the hell you want, but leave us out. which is obviously not a reasonable or realistic option. but what they can do. i know we don t have time. the u.s. can do and has not done until now is for president biden, not anyone else, not secretary of state link in, not national security advisor sullivan. for biden himself, for the president himself to stand out, stand up, and make a speech differentiating, drawing a distinction, a clear distinction between israel and mr. netanyahu and calling mr. netanyahu s bluff, if he believes that is going to be a blow. i don t know. will have to wait and see if the president is watching this, maybe he will heed your advice. ambassador, i noticed very late in israel. thank you so much for staying up for us. i really appreciate it. we appreciate it. we greatly appreciated. stephen cook, great to see you, as well. my friend, congratulations on the book next up, why a man dressed up as an exterminator started a hateful conspiracy theory that is spreading like wildfire ahead of november s election, then later on, caitlin clark left off with team usa. was she snubbed? 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first, thanks for having me on. i think it is right on target. what we saw after january 6th, 2021 was a period of time where you know, extremists kind of went into a short period of trying to regroup obviously the arrests and prosecutions had some substantial impacts on that world. but arrests and prosecutions aren t enough, and when you re not dealing with the root causes of the problem, these groups are able to kind of essentially regroup and then re- emerge even stronger. and i think that is exactly what we are seeing and what the southern poverty law center is pointing to. how does conspiracy theories play into the activity and rise of hate groups right now thinking about the harassment we saw play out at a migrant shelter in san diego. what led people to the january 6th insurrection, how is it that these baseless theories are resonating so much with people on the far right driving them to make these both online and real-life threats, even things like pizza gates that we saw several years ago? and menus, conspiracy theories are kind of a defining feature of extremist hate groups. one of the things that they do that is so important for them is that they offer a bridge of sorts and that conspiracy theories can reach a much broader audience. of course, we saw that on january 6th, in terms of the attack on the u.s. capitol. lots of different sorts of folks that ended up showing up by the thousands at the capitol that day. you had the proud boys, you had the three presenters. oath keepers, neo nazis, neo- confederate, a lot of folks that weren t necessarily affiliated with those groups. one thing they had in common is they all believed in this conspiracy theory about the stolen election. and you know, these kind of ideas are really, provide people a special sense that they are aware of things that the average person isn t aware of, and provides them with this kind of special knowledge, secretive knowledge, special insight. it really goes along with the idea, the that extremist groups offer to their adherents, that you re a part of a special population, special culture, special country, special race, special religion that is different and, quite frankly, superior to other groups. when you look at this record number of anti-lgbtq+ and white nationalist groups in 2023, numbering 186 and 165 respectively, why are these groups specifically, in your opinion, growing so significantly as they have grown? has there m.o. shifted and having this kind of hatred towards the lgbtq+ community? that is 18 many hot button issues that these kind of groups are good at identifying and then targeting and really spending a lot of time directing disinformation towards and propaganda and really trying to highlight the supposedly dangerous and risk a so that go along with, from their perspective, these hot button issues. immigration has been one for years, as well. and frankly, right now, they have at their fingertips, some of the most powerful technology in human history, in terms of social media platforms and the problems that you mentioned, the root problems that we are really not addressing, social media platforms, the lack of regulation around those. that will certainly be one of them coupled with national leadership that is helping essentially espouse some of the same ideas using literally, in the case of donald trump, the language of nazi germany to help promote these ideas. so they had these megaphones, whether it is national leaders or social media platforms at their disposal, that really empower them to a substantial extent. do you think that we have the adequate legal tools to take on these organizations x when you think about, as you were just mentioning, the issues of social media. it obviously rubs up against the issue of free speech in this country, that is always a find point when you re trying to go after these groups, he almost kind of have to wait until the free speech becomes actionable and they go out and carry out some kind of attack or potential violence. at which point it violates the law but up until the point of actually doing something about it, it falls, some would argue, under free speech. we have the legal tools the way that we have designated foreign terrorist organizations to go after isis and what have you? do we have enough adequate resources and tools to go after domestic terrorist organizations? i think we do have, i don t think a new statute is the answer, per se. i do think essentially utilizing resources that we have, being more aggressive, understanding that arresting and prosecuting is an important part of it, it is a necessary part of it but it is honestly not the only part of it. and then a civil issue, in terms of talk about the law. i do think that it needs some changes in that realm as it relates to social media platforms and being able to hold them more civilly accountable for the material that they are publishing and, of course, that means congressional changes to section 230. and i do think it is clear that social media platforms are not willing to take the kind of aggressive actions that are necessary to essentially cleanup their platforms. all right, professor pete sent me, it is a pleasure, thank you so much for joining us. i greatly appreciate your insights. thanks for having me. next, families are still being separated at the southern border. and why. and why. the best way to solve a problem is to keep it from happening. 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[sfx] ambient / laughing. last october, a peruvian family was taken into border patrol custody in the san diego area, during the process the parents were separated from their 18-month-old son, then released without him, according to a report from prison. if it wasn t for several military organizations that stepped in to help, that family may have never been reunited. they were able to track the boys whereabouts to a detention center hundreds of miles away, in texas. according to this february reporting from prison, legal advocates have accounted for at least 1000 instances of family separation across san diego county under this tactic known as street release, where migrants in custody are released without resources or shelter. at the start of his presidency, joe biden officially rescinded trumps zero-tolerance policy in the reunification task force that, according to dhs, has reunified 795 children with their parents, as of march. but despite those efforts, families are still being separated under a president who campaigned on a humane approach to immigration and strongly denounced the policies of his predecessor. now despite that, biden has signed an executive order this past week that drastically curtails humanitarian right to seek asylum. joining me now to discuss this, and more, is president and ceo of global refuge and a former policy director on the obama admin, and msnbc contributor who has done a lot of reporting on this and many other issues. it is great to have both of you with us. i will start with you, under a settlement reached in december with the families who were separated under the trump administration, border officials can still separate families in limited circumstances, such as if an adult poses a danger to a child or to national security. that didn t appear to be the case with the family that we just mentioned. to what do you oh these types of policies still taking place today? i think most people would be hearing about this now and still be shocked that this policy is still happening in this country? i think part of what we are seeing is a situation where policy does incentivize family separation. and that is true not just on u.s. soil but at the u.s.- mexico border, as well. when you think about even the new executive order, which exempts unaccompanied children, what that means is that a family that is fleeing for their lives, makes a possible choice of either allowing their children to travel unaccompanied across the border so that they can reach safety, or to remain in mexico obviously, families have experienced assault and far worse. in terms of the specific case that you are describing. i think this is where you know, there still some confusion on how policies are being implemented. we care for unaccompanied children and, obviously, it is horrific to see that even under this administration, we have echoes of what we saw as a real policy under president trump, which was essentially government sanctioned kidnapping. this report the site a difference between the family separations under trump versus biden, under trump federal immigration officials separated small children from their parents, whereas under biden, officials separated different family four nations, mainly parents and their adult children what does this say overall about our immigration system, specifically that these policies are continuing under a democratic president? is that just the result of vague policies and the lack of clarity as to how this should be implement it? or is it because there is something different at play here? i think what you re seeing is a biden administration that is falling into a political trap i do think we have to be very clear when we are talking about zero-tolerance, going back in history, that was such a dark chapter in our history, we had a trump administration that made decisions out of cruelty and made decisions out of the action of dehumanizing others. and here we have a biden administration that is falling into a political trap. over the last four years we have seen this admin that has made promises and that suddenly, it is shifting to the right. as you pointed out, ayman. i want to remember that the very very last week of the 2020 november election, the biden campaign released a video call separated. and in that video, just five days before everyone went out to vote, he specifically highlighted trumps zero policy initiative. he highlighted the cruelty. in here we are, just five months before the election, and as we have been discussing, he has been starting to sound and use language that does sort of remind us of donald trump. and at the end of the day, that is a political trap because the bottom line is, you cannot out trump trump when it comes to immigration and the border. what worked in 2020 was that humanity, as you described, anything that tries to shift to the right of donald trump is a failed political strategy. so to that point, krisher. makes a really good point with this flaming framing of a political trial when it comes to the issue of immigration. i do want to turn to biden s new executive order. any any time the seven day average of a legal border crossings reaches 2500 migrant entering the u.s. between legal ports of entry, with some exceptions, will be banned from claiming asylum and deported talk to me about how this is implemented. several department of homeland security officials responsible for carrying out the actions. on the condition of anonymity to msnbc, there is concern that the tension facilities across centers for migrants could quickly become overcrowded. what are you hearing about this and why? it is such an important question because for organizations like local refuge who work with asylum-seekers, the executive order raises a number of concerns. for one, there are very significant questions about its ultimate legality and enforceability. you know, the trump administration used the same authority to shut down the southern border and that was also really locked by federal courts. also raises some serious locations for asylum seeking families who are trying to seek protection because of these arbitrary numerical limits. i think the final important point is just understand that we know from trump era policies that were hard-line restrictions. they don t actually deter people from crossing the border. so we are perplexed by a policy that isn t going to actually be effective, that is harkening back to the trump administration, and i think it is a result of congressional inaction. but the administration could put in place a system that respects our border, but also respect our humanitarian and legal obligations. back in april, reported on how migrant women are being targeted by cartels as they wait and limbo at the mexican border to hear back about their asylum claims. i remember talking to you about it back then. how do you see biden s new order exacerbating this specific issue? i mean, as all of us know, the desperation isn t in there. what we are seeing is simply a more dangerous situation. what this means on the ground is that more families, their lives will be in the hands of the cartels. they will be held hostage. they will be exposed to sexual violence and sexual assault. many families will be sleeping in tent cities. many families will go hungry. many families will be repatriated to countries that are death sentences. many families will set a suddenly be staring into the united states at this time them, no matter the violence that they are facing, no matter the inhumanity, no matter the cruelty. no matter how many attempts there are by the cartels to end their lives, in this country, or try to make it harder for them to seek asylum. we all know that that desperation will only mean that these families will literally put their lives in the hands of the cartels to find other routes to cross into this country. that is what we are facing. a troubling situation for every one involved. thank you so much for the both of you, greatly appreciated. coming up, far right extremism spreads across israel, sanctioned by one of the country s top government officials. i have type 2 diabetes, but i manage it well jardiance! it s a little pill with a big story to tell i take once-daily jardiance at each day s start! as time went on it was easy to see i m lowering my a1c! jardiance works twenty-four seven in your body to flush out some sugar. and for adults with type 2 diabetes and known heart disease, jardiance can lower the risk of cardiovascular death, too. serious side effects may include ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration that can lead to sudden worsening of kidney function, and genital yeast or urinary tract infections. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop jardiance and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection ketoacidosis, or an allergic reaction. you may have an increased risk for lower limb loss. call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of infection in your legs or feet. taking jardiance with a sulfonylurea or insulin may cause low blood sugar. jardiance is really swell the little pill with a big story to tell! it s never a good time for migraine, especially when i m on camera. that s why my go-to is nurtec odt. for the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults. it s the only migraine medication that helps treat & prevent, all in one. don t take if allergic to nurtec odt. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. people depend on me. without a migraine, i can be there for them. talk to your doctor about nurtec odt today. what tractor supply customers experience is personalized service. made possible by t-mobile for business. with t-mobile s reliable 5g business internet. employees get the information they need instantly. this is how business goes further with t-mobile for business. from pep in their step to shine in their coats, when people switch their dog s food to the farmer s dog, the effects can seem like magic. but there s no magic involved. 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anticipated games of the season, the first wnba clash between former college rivals, and now start rookies, angel rees and caitlin clark. the most notable moment came in the third quarter, when chicago sky guard kennedy carter hit checked caitlin clark before the ball is inbound, essentially pushing her to the floor your average fan but what a cheap shot, it is also the kind of hard lay one occasionally sees in pro sports. regardless, the incident sparked hot takes galore across the sports world. with many mostly male commentators calling on league officials to protect caitlin clark. other reactions were plainly inappropriate. espn host called mcafee called her, quote, a white b word. he later apologized. the chicago ran an editorial calling a hip check to sold. the median meltdown is part of what the atlantic dubs the one downside of gender equality in sports, a movement in women s basketball means more commentary from men who don t know what they re talking about. join me now to discuss this is the author of that piece, contributing writer for the l.a., jamel hill. it is great to have you on the show. you know, so much to unpack here. let me start with charles barkley and other male commentators who accused the wnba layers of being jealous of clark s popularity, the carter foul seems to have supercharged that view. what do you think that type of criticism gets wrong about how veterans are treating clark? well, one, thanks for having me on. one, i think a lot of them and who are commenting, they seem to come at the same time, forget about how they competed if they were former players in the way that charles barkley was , forget about how they commentate and frame a lot of the story lines that happen on the men s side, whereas when men challenge each other, when a new rookie comes in and there is some kind of. were, of course, you have want to see how misses person really who they say they are, it is often considered a competitive and natural part of the game. yet, with women, they seem to reduce their level of competitiveness to something that is very triggering, particularly when we are talking about a leak that a 70% black. they go with these code words, petty, jealousy. making it sound like we re talking about a real housewives reunion on bravo. this is not what this is, this is a competitive fire. and naturally, of course, when you are the talent, the generational talent that caitlin clark is, there s going to be a lot when you come to the next level. the women in the wnba are the escalators of the world at their sport. it is a reason why the olympic team has won seven gold medals in a row. it is a reason why they are 70 and three and they haven t lost a game since the 90s. where did the thing is women were coming from? this leak. if they re that good that would me naturally for any rookie, there s going to be a bit of a learning curve where they can understand the physicality and the way the game is played. it is very natural in men s sports when you go from college to the pros, that in college, you can t get away with in the pros. that is what makes it the pros. but the men who commentate seem to forget all of this when it comes to caitlin clark. you bring up an interesting point. i do want to ask you about that. there has been an obvious racial component to some of these debates. carter and angel rees, who were seen cheering after the foul are both black. and people are talking about that and explained that point how does race play into the media s explosive reactions to the story lines? will this is a collocated question, and a complicated answer. so let me go back and sum it up correctly. okay, again, the wnba is 70% black. so the face of the caitlin, they made out to be black. one of the tropes, and many of the tropes about the black women is that there confrontational, aggressive, petty, jealous, all the things. so when those traits are ascribed to women in general, when people want to talk competitively about women. i think, in this case, particularly sticks because you have that object of black versus white. let s be honest, another white player had done, it would not merely have been as inclusive as it was. because you have the dynamic of her and angel rees, a black player and a white layer having a personal rivalry, it becomes racially charged by the optics. i m old enough to remember when johnson, when they were college rivals came over to the pros. a lot of what people talked about then, how their talents are characterized was based off racial perceptions in this country of both of them. i don t know why people think that this wouldn t be alive and well in this rivalry, but it is. and angel rees has bore the brunt of a lot of this because she chose to, you know, sorta be confident about the level of play that she has when they were in college. and listen, i don t agree that she should have been clapping when kennedy carter took her down but at the same time, within the context of a broader rivalry. they took some cheap shots at each other, that s what happened. again, it is interesting how the same things that are celebrated, marketed, and that fans love on one side of the game, a totally different gender, they are suddenly clutching their pearls on the other side. i grew up a little bit in detroit. i know very well what a violent or tough basketball game looks like. but to ask you about something you brought up really quick. we are almost out of time, though. the debate that was parked this weekend about caitlin clark being left off the u.s. olympic rascal team. some describe it as a snub. she is still a rookie, though. she s a two-time nieces mentor winner. has not included the standout rookie before or any rookie is before, what is your reaction and do you agree with calling it a snub? i don t think it is a snub and i honestly wasn t surprised. i thought this months ago. i think she is going to have a pretty hard time making the team. and that is not about her ability. i think eventually caitlin clark, i think this is almost a guarantee. about the transition, she went from playing college ball to play in a professional league within a matter of weeks, when they were holding the child in their camp, she wasn t able to play in any of that. she has some international experience but not a lot. she is at a position where it is a little bit tougher because you are a guard a little bit on the slight side. she is adjusting to the physicality where the international level is more. it is a very successful team there is a lot of people that do not get on this team and work this time around. and so i think if we just take the caitlin clark nests away from it and people will probably better understand the decision. like you said, the women s team is the most dominant team in the sports. it is tough to break into at any level, let alone your rookie year. thank you so much, greatly appreciate having this conversation with you tonight appreciate you. 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reporter: good evening, jericka. new details continue to emerge of that risky rescue operation, an enormous morale boost in israel, a stinging blow to hamas, and more suffering for civilians caught in the middle. israeli commandos storm the residential buildings in gaza where hamas was hiding those four hostages. a deafening hail of gunfire, but on the other side, their first steps of freedom in 245 days as they re ushered on a beach and aboard a ch-53 sea stallion helicopter. once home, almog meir was swarmed by friends at the hospital. his uncle relieved. there was a big party for him. all he wants is a cigarette and friends. reporter: but in a cruel twist, that party was interrupted. in the same hours israeli forces made their daring rescue, meir s father, long suffering from an illness, died, never to see his son again or even know he would soon be saved. today was his funeral. a day of smoldering rubble and horror in gaza. we were sitting on our living room and suddenly we heard strikes targeting our neighborhood, says this resident. i went outside and saw dead people. apartment buildings now flattened where hamas had embedded the hostages among palestinian families. the israeli military says about 100 were killed or wounded, including hamas combatants and civilians, a distinction not drawn by the hamas-run ministry of health, who say the dead and injured number nearly 1,000. like this 4-year-old boy hit in the head with shrapnel, severely brain damaged and fighting for his life. i thought he was dead, cries his father. i had already dug his grave. before saturday, israeli military ops had saved only three hostages, with the latest able to penetrate so deeply behind enemy lines israel hopes hamas will be pressured to finally come to a deal. but so far, jericka, hamas remains defiant. chris livesay tonight in tel aviv. thank you. tonight, president biden returns to the u.s. from his five-day visit to france, but he won t be here for long. on wednesday he heads to italy for the g7 meeting with america s allies. cbs s skyler henry is at the white house with more on what we can expect there. skyler, good evening. reporter: good evening to you. there will be work cut out for the g7 leaders dealing with several of those issues as president biden juggles multiple international challenges and deals with his main political challenger here at home. without naming his predecessor, president biden jabbed at former president donald trump today during a wreath-laying ceremony at a world war i cemetery in france. i think as a measure of a country s support for democratic values that they honor those who have risked their lives and lost their lives. the idea that i come to normandy and not make this short trip here to pay tribute. and it s the same story. think about it. america showed up. reporter: the former president skipped that same cemetery during a trip to france in 2018 and reportedly afterwards called those who were buried there, quote, losers and suckers. this afternoon in las vegas, trump said that never happened. for me to say suckers and losers about people that died in world war i, in front of military people, it s not a possibility you could say a thing like that. reporter: sunday was trump s first official campaign rally during a west coast swing where i saw thunderous crowds since being found guilty in the so-called hush money trial in new york. cbs news confirms he s scheduled to meet via zoom with his probation officer on monday from his mar-a-lago home. likely voters say that guilty verdict pales in comparison to other issues like the economy, inflation and the border. if joe biden truly wanted to sign an executive order to stop the invasion, right now all he needs to do is say i hereby immediately reinstate every single border policy of a gentleman named donald j. trump. reporter: new cbs news polling out sunday shows the likely rematch between biden and trump neck and neck with the former president ahead by 1% nationally and president biden ahead by 1% in the battleground states. as for president biden, he will also make a trip out west for a star-studded event in los angeles next weekend, but not before that g7 trip to italy. jericka? skyler henry, thank you. well, this weekend hundreds of airline passengers had an extremely close call with disaster. it happened at india s mumbai airport. video posted on social media shows one jet landing just as another jet was taking off on the same runway. the country s aviation authority says it is investigating. to ohio now where at least 43 horses were killed in a barn fire in logan county northwest of columbus. firefighters from multiple counties responded. one official said by the time they got there the 60,000-square-foot barn was fully engulfed. tonight, the sprawling heat dome that broke records across the west is on the move. meteorologist andrew kozak of cbs philadelphia joins us with the details. andrew, good evening to you. yeah, jericka, once again excessive heat affecting nearly 20 million people across the desert southwest. up to 112 in arizona. for vegas, inland california, up to 110. it s all due to this area of high pressure, the heat dome that s driven by the jet stream. that s well to the north. that s to start things off. but by the end of the week, it does shift to the east coast, giving perhaps some of the hottest temperatures across areas like new york, down to d.c. and baltimore. switching gears, real quick, 180 down to florida, 6 to 8 inches of flooding rain by the end of the week possible for miami, fort lauderdale, and that s due to this area of high pressure, bringing in that caribbean moisture. we re watching that by the end of the week and watching potentially a heat wave for the east coast as well. remember, if we re hot, the pets are hot, bring them in as well. jericka? good advice, andrew kozak of cbs philadelphia. thanks. now to a concerning number of tornadoes. more than 500 have been spotted in the u.s. since april. and there s new evidence tonight that tornado alley may be expanding beyond the midwest. cbs s dave malkoff shows us why. reporter: april 2nd, 2024, an ef-1 tornado sliced the roof off a funeral home in sunbright, tennessee. noah and lexi hamby were next door, outside. we was probably about right here when it hit us. reporter: he was carrying their 4-year-old. she had their baby in her arms. i mean, it literally swooped me up off my feet with the baby in my hands. he had me by the hood of my jacket and was like choking me. if she wasn t wearing a hoodie, she would be gone. reporter: they were trying to find a basement to take cover in a part of the country that s not used to tornadoes. the most likely place in the world for a tornado is right here in tornado alley. in fact, look at the 1950s. you can see a clear line right through the center of the country. but if you fast forward to the 2010s, tornadoes don t necessarily stay in their alley anymore. dr. timothy coleman wrote a study released in april after researching tornado locations dating back to the 50s. the tornado alley now in the united states in terms of the maximum area for tornadoes is an area from the southeastern u.s., parts of mississippi, alabama, up into tennessee, kentucky and even parts of southern indiana and illinois. reporter: meteorologists have not settled on a definitive reason for this change, but the shift can be dangerous. a lot of that increase in the east has been at night into the winter when people don t expect tornadoes and may not be as ready for them. we really about lost our lives. reporter: as the hambys tried to get to a safe place, they found their neighbor, kevin daniels, just in time. and he grabbed hard, i grabbed him. they both had a baby in their arms. i drug everybody out of here. that s where me and my daughter were. reporter: learning what so many in tornado alley were taught, that seconds count. two seconds slower, me and her would be gone, absolutely. reporter: dave malkoff, cbs news in sunbright, tennessee. well, here s something to chew on. inflation has not stopped americans from eating out. new numbers this month show restaurants are having their biggest year ever. cbs s elise preston is in los angeles tonight to explain how this is even possible, especially with the cost of food. elise? 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three-to-one, three-to-one today with violet birth, we have schreiber tonight, did nine on cnn welcome, to the whole, store i m anderson cooper, drag is an odd form that s been around for centuries, including shakespeare s times. women weren t allowed back then to appear on stage. so man dressed up to play the roles of female characters drag performances have evolved a lot over the decades, exploding in mainstream popularity in recent years with tv hits like rupaul s drag race. but now it s also become a political target. republican lawmakers and six days have passed laws aimed at restricting drag performances and places where children are present. the laws have been amended, blocked, are currently being challenged in federal courts. over the next hour, cnn s randy k digs into the colorful history of drag it takes a look at how and why its come under attack this. is how it begins yes, it is always starts with the foundation can sealer and foundation. right well, concealed. he just got some foundational not yet, but give me a few years. i probably well, we re going to let off quite how long does it take you to get all made up but phone drag it varies. would on average, you re talking 30 or 40 minutes, but the transition from your average homosexual to ravishing drag queen interesting it s good to see the process step by step. some can enjoy every bit it s my moment to just take myself into a whole another world and just be happy despite whatever going around at the palace bar and restaurant in miami south beach well, tiffany tiffany phantasia is lip-sync into the song, rather be by clean banded so she is slang. that s a drag term for killing it. she s been performing and drag for 20 years in drag. i feel more powerful i feel three. i feel independent. i feel love, i feel joy, especially when i m seeing some papers i love. the freedom of expression. i love making somebody has, i love the glitz and glam because no matter what i m going through a growing through somebody else, is that energy and for those five minutes nothing matters what do you think is the draw for an audience? why do you think people? i tend to directions because it s different. it goes against the status quo. it challenges society we are told as we grow up, you re supposed to act this way, talk this way to this man. that third and here s some body defying all events and performing for you. whether seeing live our lives, thinking or whatever they re defying the social norm, they re going against eagle and that s fascinating for a lot of people drag has fascinated audiences for more than a century there were hugely popular drag balls in harlem during the roaring 20s in the 50s and 60s, crowds packed into clubs featuring what were referred to at the time as female impersonators before a backlash shove, drag into the shadows but perhaps no one has helped bring dragged back into the spotlight today more than dragged superstar rupaul s with the tv competition show rupaul s drag race? sashay, away. but a hit show has been running for 16 seasons collecting a whopping 29 emmy awards along the way. rupaul s world. of wonder production company has built a drag empire launching drag race tv franchises. these type of good is minus zeta, a call in more than a dozen countries around the world. ready, i can show. was on drag race. the audience is connecting with the tenacity of the human spirit that s what that show is really about when you you tear it down to just nuts and bolts we all relate to someone who has been cast off and they prove us wrong. i remember, you can t love yourself. how the how you go, love somebody out. thanks in part to rue rupaul s drag has become more popular than ever. there are dragged branches, drag dinner shows, drag beauty pageants even drag bingo wright, eric, he was we re getting so close to me drag is the main attraction every new year s eve in key west, florida afraid at all, you re just kind of dangling up here a crowd of enthusiasts so revelers counts down to midnight as a drag queen descends from the balcony at this bar in a giant high-heeled shoe we found that queen of this. i ve reported live from these it s devotees for years. and now i m left wondering how did this can t be form of entertainment becomes such a target for the political right. like it is here in my home state of florida republican lawmakers and right-wing leaders across the country are pushing through laws restricting drag shows the law here in florida signed by republican governor ron desantis it aimed at banning children from attending drag shows. it blocks venues are publicly permitted events from admitting children to an adult live performance which according to the law includes any performance that quote, depicts or simulates the lwd exposure of prosthetic or imitation genitals or breasts there are these like these drag shows sexually explicit in what they re doing in luck adult entertainment, people can do what they want with some of that, but there should not be any of these kids. they re the law is up in the air now after a federal judge put it on hold pending a state appeals supporters of the restrictions claim that drag shows are harmful to children. some accused drag queens of being child a derogatory term often used to demonize members of the lgbtq community as pedophiles good the desantis administration filed a complaint against the miami restaurant. our house accusing it of exposing minors to what it called sexually explicit drag shows and threatening to pull its liquor license after a state investigation found no unlawful content in the performances the venue, which denied any wrongdoing, agreed to pay a $10,000 administrative fine and set a minimum age requirement of 18 for their drag shows read coming to your city. does desantis officials also threatened to yank the liquor licenses of the plaza live theatre in orlando, and the hyatt regency in miami for hosting an event called a drag queen christmas we re minors accompanied by their parents, were present even though a report by undercover state agents acknowledged they did not witness any lewd acts. both settled for a $5,000 fine. it is specifically intended with the heightened penalties ten $10,000 fines and fees the suspension of liquor licenses to create fear and to intimidate businesses out of wanting to host drag performances, especially when there are unclear about exactly what is allowed and what is not allowed representative smith, democratic carlos guillermo smith was florida s first lgbtq latino lawmaker. he s currently running for state senate it has led to a chilling effect with pride as well. several pride events across florida have also been canceled or restricted out of concern, drag queens might be seen by children in public resign, hit, particularly hard by the political backlash drag queen story hours like this there once was a boy with the rainbow harms they had signed saying that drag queens were pedophiles with 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named mama ashley rows tell me just a little bit about your background. i was involved in church pretty much my whole life, which led me to get into ministry. and the whole time i knew i was gay, i knew i was struggling even through all that journey feeling of unwanted nus and unloved and never being good enough to where here i am today spreading this message that everyone it was love accepted, and wanted no matter who they are. i remember how it felt to not feel that way. so it s kinda drives me to do what i do today you were once a pastor at an lgbt church, was like pastor mike today, drag queen by night and again, the drag queen, it wasn t even just by night. we started doing events. we started doing fundraisers variety shows, drag dinner shows, drag gospel shows raising money for those in need perfect. it can be $100, could be a couple of thousand dollars. and our events and we not only focus on queer lgbtq plus charities, but we focus on animal shelters, domestic violence, mental health i always knew that my character, mama ashley rose was going to be something different. you re going to be wholesome, going to be not the club bar scene because it was never really my scene. and i just knew that i had to bring something to the table that no one else was doing i look forward to meeting oh, i can t wait for you to meet mama nice to reach. nice to meet you. good seeing you, to see you too. so tell me about you. so mama is just a southern lady that spreads a message to everyone is loved, accepted, and wanted no matter who they are. and we provide a safe space so my job is to make people for loved, make people feel safe, give them a little laugh, a little chocolate sometime i don t when people think of a drag queen this is not the look that i think most people think of. what if my life could bring. it s changed make somebody move absolutely. so drag is an art form and we know that art comes in all shapes, sizes types, and everything. and i love to tell people we have adult television, we have children s television, we have adult radio toluse radio, all that. so i m kinda like the disney channel of drag, who s ready for story time? all. kids if you can come up and have a seat on the floor. so for me, dragged story hour is first of all, teaching literacy. there once was a boy with, uh, rainbow heart it looks a little different. we know that illiteracy is an issue and the world right now. but teaching and reading about kindness, my books are about kindness, about love, about loving yourself. we read stories about how to handle bullies and the list goes on with that, just teaching life skills, you see it s literally just a person in a costume no different than a disney princess reading a story to kids and adults. my sparkly earrings, they see it as this like glamorous princess they re going to listen to a story from someone dressed in a costume before they will have just any random person what kind of backlash have you faced doing drag story hour up until last year? we had no issues and a year ago this december, we had neo-nazis show up outside this building. they had signs saying that drag queens were pedophiles with aids they were projecting on the side of buildings saying that grooming was in process. they were yelling and screaming at children and families. were you scared? i was scared. i was scared jason says he also had to find a new location for an annual drag pageant at the last minute, because the orlando venue was afraid of being targeted by the desantis administration they were really concerned about losing their liquor license so they asked us to make our event 18 up and my response was like, no, i m not going to make an event 18 up when it never has been we don t do 18 and up events. so we had four days to find a new venue to move a whole paget, a whole production show shortly after that in orlando high school was forced to cancel an event featuring jayson he had been scheduled to speak to the school s queer and ally alliance. i have been invited by students for years to go in and the students invite me and of course, with approval of educators and this after-school program, after school club. and i usually say, do you want me to come as json or do want me come as momma and always i mean, they wanted to drag queen, right? so a woman who is part of the moms for liberty, who is also on the orange county school board, basically had a shutdown educators and the principal and the dean were literally their jobs were being threatened if they allow this event to happen. that school board member, alicia for ronde, says she raised questions after hearing complaints it s from dozens of parents but an investigative report by spectrum news 13 in orlando revealed a majority of the emails for ron to received about the event were supportive of it. we have reached out several times different for a response to the report, but i ve heard nothing back i just wanted to be a drag queen and tell funny stories and make people laugh i had no idea it was going to be in this atmosphere. it s scary time. it was a scary time for us secondly, fear of threats, fear of safety the political backlash, jason and many others are now experiencing is familiar to me anyone who knows the history drag more on that next. every week, there ll be police raids every time there was a police raid, it was people in states of drag who were arrested the simons are going off and the tornado here i m thinking, i m going to die. and i thought that was violin earth with liev schreiber donated nine on cnn did you know sling has your favorite news progress for just $40 a month my favorite news for just $40 a month my favorite news for just $40 a month. $40 a month? my favorite for just $40 a month $40 get your favorite news. are $40 a month sling lets you do that with so many choices on booking.com, there are so many tina fey as i could be. so i hired body doubles to help me out splurge 18. it loves a hotel near row de you drive 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gorgeous, 200 page book outlining the history of drag and the political backlash against it. all intertwined with anecdotes from my own irresistible and unpredictable relevance to clean you re welcome why do you think the history of drag is so important? the history of drag is important because people don t know. and in fact, it feels like their cycles of acceptance and then backlash that have happened throughout history sasha grew up steeped in drag history one of sasha is biggest influences this was her grandmother dina she encouraged me to channel lane or diva. she coached me on how to make an inference and the gown the her condo had like one set of stairs coming down from the loft and i would put my costume on up there and then walked down the stairs dramatically. so i have a lot one of her grandmother s favorite hotspots, uh, clubs spotlighting female impersonators in san francisco called for nokia s she would go to for nokia on the weekends drive in from the suburbs of daly city and of course it was a club mostly targeted for straight audiences. and she loved the drag shows. she thought it was so entertaining, and she told you about it. and she told me about it as a little kid. i feel very lucky that i grew up with out shame around drag, at least at home female impersonator clubs across the country, including one in new york called club at t2, became all the rage during the 1950s and 60s the people. who came to the ad to club were everyday people your mom and dad may have come to the 82 club, but also it was packed with celebrities judy garland, milton, berle, elizabeth taylor, richard burton, errol flynn salvador dali, the surrealist, of course, loved drag and the ad he to club dragging the us has strong roots going back to harlem racially diverse groups of people flocked to the rockland palace for headline grabbing drag balls hosted by a black fraternal organization called the hamilton lodge during the harlem renaissance and the roaring 20s harlem drag balls were enlarge pageant deep masquerade experience. and it was meant largely for the black community later on, there started to be more and more white patrons alyssa max goodman wrote a book on the history of drag in new york city called glitter and concrete after a while, they re just became thousands upon thousands of people who would attend. there were prizes given for the best costumes. it was an affair that was i mean, i think it was considered social suicide. if you didn t go in the early 1900s, one of the biggest celebrities in the country, julian l tinge, performed in drag julia elton was one of the top paid performers in vaudeville of julia elton was a female impersonator. so there was this appetite for that type of entertainment we re looking to week four of the class, joey jeffries is a drag. his story, who also teaches a course on rupaul s drag race at the new school in new york city. and at new york university julia elton was very successful financially, artistically. julian elton had any number of plays with music on broadway julian l2 and had his on makeup line, his on magazines. julian l2 inch have a theater named after him el tinge also became a big movie star in films like the aisle of love featuring a van unknown rudolph valentino the premise of his movies was very much like the premise of his plays. which is also part of his identity. i m a guy. i m in some life-threatening situation that requires me to get an address and that is the only reason i am getting an address. it s the sum like get hot narrative it s a similar premise and the hollywood hit movie starring tony curtis and jack lemmon, as well as other hugely successful films like tutsi mrs. down, fire thank you for denia. don t fire drag was also popular among members of the us military. broadway productions and movies portrayed soldiers performing and drag shows for the troops drag was central to a morale effort during world war two. and to the point where eisenhower was giving commendations to troops that use dragged to say that you are doing a great job in your serving your country. in irving berlin, in stage musical, became a movie featuring soldiers and drag called this is the army starring none other than ronald reagan ready to the chorus curtain? but appearing in drag outside the movies and female impersonator clubs was a far different story. there were very strict rules at the club at two, for example, where he men had to arrive in men s clothes, put on their makeup, their and then leave in men s clothes that s largely due to a crackdown on what we now call drag queens and gaze during the mccarthy era in the 50s, that became known as the lavender scare. the attitude at the time that created the lavender scare was homosexuality was as much a threat to the us as communism. it was a dark period in the 50s four draft your performance because there was legislation out there that was stopping it banning it, and trying to restrict it somewhat in the ways that we re seeing today. we really never had a law that banned drag. but there was a law on the books here in new york that band masquerading and they started enforcing this ancient law against masquerade to cut down on people dressing up outside of their legal gender. if you re caught in a bar or walking the street and you didn t have enough pieces of the appropriate gender clothing on you literally would be taken to jail. being a drag queen was something shameful and you would maybe lose your job if people found out that you d like to dress and drag you could lose your family institutional and cultural stigma against drag was huge and it was deeply tied to fears of brown trans, people. and even around like gay people generally that harassment and discrimination against drag queens would go on to play a vital role in the uprising that ignited the fight for lgbtq rights that might finally, they d had enough of it they didn t enough of being pushed around it change that night next sunday on 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happen too often. was pleased to come in, take a pay off, and leave this was a little different rather than coming in and coming through doors commonly, they burst through the doors they started throwing things around. they were pick up the bottles, throw them away they took people, slam them against the wall. they smashed everything they could possibly see somebody started throwing things to do or when the police wanted to leave a stone according to have them your pocket. those people who actually fought that night or street kids like me, marginalized people, drag queens so drag queens were on the front lines. the stonewall up absolutely almost everything we did in that first year, which i call the first magical year leading from stonewall to the first pride. all of that had drag queens involved in every aspect there wasn t a demonstration that they weren t present some way, shape or form. they were at the meetings giving their voice, getting their opinion two of the most prominent activist to emerge from the movement where drag queens, marsha p. johnson and sylvia rivera, both women of color, who became icons of the fight for lgbtq rights. the two form to trans rights group and open north america s first lgbtq youth center i think one of the most impactful things that sylvia rivera and marsha p. johnson did was found a house that became a safe place for young queer and trans people for teenagers who had escaped home for homeless kids living in new york to come and live. and they called it the street transvestite action revolutionaries, or star house the became like an, an activist organization as well as a hub and a home for so many in need to do around the same time, gay and transgender kids founded another safe haven in an emerging underground drag scene called the house ballroom. it s like forcing into the looking glass captured in the critically acclaimed documentary. paris is burning and depicted in the tv hit post forum started in harlem in the 1960s it was created by drag queens of the time latino and african-american drag queens, who wanted to create her own pageants because that s what they were in the beginning. they were pageants. they were tired of competing in the patch since that were downtown and losing to their white counterparts beautiful. felix rodriguez get is as a filmmaker who has been documenting house ballroom culture for decades seen on his youtube channel, old school ballroom a boil is like the super bowl for black and latino, where people it s where all these houses which are like teams come to this venue to compete against each other it s a group of people that are together as a family. they can be compared to everything from be similar to fraternity and sorority to being a gay gang. it was a time when gay men and trans people pool of color were thrown out of their houses, literally from their family. and they had to find a place to live houses were the communities that welcomed people they ll situations a competitive new dance style also came out of the ballroom scene bogeying, which is very powerful hello, in a lot of people think that madonna created it, but she had vogue dancers in her tour and created song logan became in popular but vogue ing started in the ballroom scene and still continues to be in the ballroom scene the ballroom culture is still thriving today. in fact, the venue where we interviewed felix rodriguez is a brooklyn club named $3 bill that host weekly ballroom competitions called ota, or open to all right now, but back when ballroom was still under to ground, another drag phenomenon was also hitting the scene he was wearing mohawks and shoulder pads and waiting boots. let s just say that the repo of today look had not yet come together lady bunny is now an iconic drag queen who s been making audiences laugh for more than 40 years they tried to make me go to rehab and i said, you know what, that s done? an idea are you nervous not at all, but she got her start back in the 80s when drag was far from mainstream, along with another relatively obscure performer at the time named ru paul oh you want once they send that to the audience we met in atlanta and we re instantly as thick as thieves so what was the scene like? did you bond there will ruin. i did bond there at one point, we became homeless to get i came to new york with root paul. we can to the pyramid this is in 1983 and i was drunk i lip-sync to, i will survive halfway through it. there s that little low in the song. where did she comes back with the big gone now, go during that low, i had fallen lost a shoe and the wig was hanging by a thread, but i got up there on that one shoe and finish the rest of the number and i was a favorite at the pyramid wir sind then at the time all of this drag and all of this fun was happening at the pyramid. the specter of aids was raised and of course we were young and sexually active. we didn t know what to do. you found in wig stock yes. to help raise funds for the aids crisis? yes i started wig stuck in a park across the pyramid. i wanted to showcase the many different kinds of talent it. was drag queens who lyptsi lip-sync for example i just felt that there was this wealth of talent that could appeal to a wider audience. and my hunch was correct aids was running, ramping through new york how was drag and wigs docx a, a political reaction to what the reagan administration was doing or not doing. i think that the political statement was that there s no shame in our game that there s nothing wrong with us that we love what we do. and then it s entertaining so i felt like what my role was to be a jester and to put on a fun show to make us forget about aids, to make us forget about everything except we re still here and we re glad that we re here. and let s celebrate week stock went on to draw crowd swelling into the thousands stock, as well as becoming a subject of a welding receive documentary week stop. the movie, launching lady bunny into the limelight root. paul began rising to start ms well, transforming her punk drag look into the glamorous glitz of her breakout hit supermodel and paul definitely knew how to work in growing up, i knew i would be famous. i knew i wanted to be famous. i didn t know how i was going to be famous drag presented itself to me and i thought, okay, this is is the rest is root hall would say is history you may leave the stage rupaul s drag race over the past 16 years has hot rotted dragged back into the mainstream public consciousness. it makes drag accessible not only as an art form, but in a place that people can watch it right there on their television screen or streaming all that success may drag a huge draw for detractors to do no such thing as a family friendly drag show. we re going to make that clear in the state of florida coming up, a sponsor of the florida law aimed at drags speaks out and drag queens clap bashing. do i look like a stripper anderson cooper 360 weeknight today 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legacy. wednesday, june 19 at ten on cnn. close captioning brought to you by ru la law. i kinda brands up to 70% off retail at roulette law.com, rubella you never pay full price sees the deals on top before their car southward like their sisters at stonewall drag queens and florida are fighting back this was the scene in tallahassee in april of last year when hundreds of drag artists and their supporters marched on the florida state camp to protest the law aimed at restricting grab former democratic state lawmaker carlos guillermo smith, address the crowd from the state house steps they are fabulous are urea if you look at the current law in florida, it does not specifically mention a ban on drag shows. so what s wrong with it well, it doesn t have to directly mentioned drag queens for it to be targeting this community. in particular, when this legislation was filed it was filed by a republican lawmaker who made many ugly assertions and baseless attacks on drag queens as being a threat to children well, guess where else drag queens aren t and brynn mention in a big long list in the 20 line definition of this bill that republican lawmaker, he s referring to, is this man, florida state representative randy fine this bill didn t talk about drag queen it doesn t mention the word drag queens deals yet when representative fine, introduced the bill, which further restricts laws already on the books, protecting children from adult live performances he posted on facebook that would ban the city of melbourne from welcoming drag queen adult entertainers from grooming our children. it s not mentioned in the bill, but you have mentioned it in a post that s fair point, but that is the kind of entertainment that inspired me. to do the bill. you hadn t men dressed as strippers effectively performing as such in public? i don t care what consenting adults do, but i think we should keep this stuff away from our kids. what was the goal of the bill, the gold the bill to protect kids. what specifically do you think children need to be protected from? well, i think they need to be protected from sexualization. it s totally unnecessary and the fact that we already have so many good laws to protect children from adult performances. it exposed that this bill was really just about targeting drag if you think the law is targeting drag shows and drag queens, why not just mentioned that directly? because if they overtly mentioned drag performances in the letter of the law, it would have immediately been obvious to any attorney in any the judge that this is an unconstitutional censorship of their first amendment freedom representative fine argues that while the law mentions prosthetic breasts, which many drag queens where it spells out other criteria that would be necessary to make drag shows admitting children illegal so wearing prosthetic breasts does not equal an adult life performance. it has to be that and three or four other things. this is all meant to be vague. it s meant to intimidate, isn t there a danger in intimidating some of these venues from hosting drag? performances or not intimidating them were laying out what the definition is and we re saying if you do these, there s going to be consequences. do you think drag queen shows and drag queen story hours can be family-friendly no, i don t. that doesn t mean they re all illegal. that doesn t mean they re all adult life performances. but no, i don t believe it s appropriate for kids do you see drag queens as a threat to children i think that s a challenging question. that s like saying, do you think adults are a threat to let me put it this. i do think drag queens are looking to groom children. are they groomer? i think some are. i don t understand why a man wants to dress up like a woman. and then read stories to children. i don t think it s that complicated that doesn t mean that 100% of those violate the law. i want to be clear about that. how would that be harmful to children? because i think it confuses them drag queen story, our says our goal in doing this is to celebrate gender fluidity. there is a purpose behind this, and it is to confuse and indoctrinate children in a majority of this legislature, we do not believe in gender fluidity we do not believe in transgender science. do you know of one case of a child who attended drag queen story hour and then decided to become transgender. i do not know. have you ever been to drag queen story hour? no. have you ever been to a drag show not that i can remember. most of these people and i ve seen have never even been to a drag show. they ve never experienced the drag is an art and seeing that there are different types of drag jayson to dechambeau traveled to the florida capital when the bill was being debated. he did to testify before the legislature in full drag mama ashley robes. i have a question. do i look like a stripper? well, i walked up and my first response and comment to those do i look like a stripper because many politicians have said that i dress like strippers, like i don t dress like that. do you see yourself as a threat to children? no, i do not see myself as a threat to children nor do i see any drag performer threat to a child. drag performers know that if you re in a club, if you re in a nightclub, fearing a bar 18 and up, you perform differently, right? especially in our events, are performers know that when we have family here they dress different. they perform different. so now we know threat. but the overall message and the reason why you do drag story hour as what to teach that message that your love accepted and wanted no matter who you are and let you know that everyone should read the idea of the grooming that dragged does is just the message of tolerance. and that the message of acceptance could be so dangerous that it would brainwash a child. maybe if they don t want a world of tolerance they should be afraid of us because we are fighting for that. you know, about the history of drag. having written a book about it, do you worry about the history repeating itself? the history is repeating itself currently all around us. for awhile, it felt like we were getting progress they say if you don t learn the past, you re going to repeat it i think there s a lot of strength to be found in history to we see the way that despite being thrown in jail, despite being fine, despite losing their jobs queer people continued to gather together and put on shows and find ways to keep existing and stay true to ourselves. so if they can do it, we still have a chance today how much do you think gender identity and sexuality are playing a role in? these new laws that are targeting drag, gender, identity and sexuality are the reason that drag is being targeted. because if it was just costumes without any possibility of queerness, i think it would be fine they re ignorant and the ruud and homophobia i would tell ron desantis, we are not your political pawns stop using that s for clickbait the one and only miss tiffany fantasia there are tim million other things that you need to be taken care of and put policies in place to circumvent the problems of the average flow of radiant here we worried about a dam drag show. we re not doing anything, but making sure that you people i haven t a good time and not worry about the problem that they have because you re not doing your job governor desantis has not responded to our request for comment in her drag show called don t bring the kids, lady bunny takes on republican lawmakers pushing anti legislation with a parody of adele s song. rumor has it but given the guns birthday is that hooters with your under gop hypocrisy can t take it no more dreadfully aren t the people is d to watch out for groomer? is it? rumor? is it despite the crackdowns, these drag queens insist the drag show will go on. i would be a miss to stay. i wasn t scared. i d be a miss to say that i there are times i just want to pack the makeup up and not do it again but i m not going anywhere. we re going to keep fighting there is a fighting spirit in drag we can make magic with nothing and even if they take everything, like for a month we re still going to find a way to put on a show to entertain the thing i ve found is people love drag if we have a chance to put on a show for you, you re going to fall in love legal battles over drag performances continue. so far, laws proposed in florida texas, tennessee, and montana had been blocked by federal judges on constitutional grounds. the states are appealing those decisions. thanks for watching the whole story. i ll see you next sunday
after 22 witnesses and 16 days of testimony, donald trump has become the first ever american president to be convicted of a crime. this trial will go down in history. but without cameras in the courtroom, americans never got to see the evidence for themselves. they didn t get to see trumps eyes close and his mouth go slack as he sat slumped at the defense table. they didn t get to hear stormy daniels salacious testimony, firsthand. i didn t get to watch the judge clear the courtroom, seemingly in anger, as he butted heads with one particularly truculent witness. instead, americans have to rely on word from the few reporters who were actually in the room, making notes, writing down, committing to memory the things we saw and experienced. things that a transcript cannot capture. take a look. that was something to behold. i could hear gasps all around me . i wasn t sure we are going to get to a place where we had any guilty verdict against donald trump, let alone all 34 counts. donald trump was crying from the oval office. he was writing checks from the white house. this is a professional jury as you can get. and you can never read anything from them. in terms the vibe from the room, you heard about it being kind of a courtroom, it s real. i was in the courtroom, his eyes have been close most of the morning. i can t say what is happening behind those lids. one simple work, guilty, repeated over and over and over. something we have never seen before. , tonight we welcome you to the special msn ec event, prosecuting donald trump a witness to history. over this next hour, andrew weissman and i will lead you through what you missed inside the courtroom. not the line by line details of witness testimony, but with the help of our msnbc colleagues, will tell you what it was really like to sit just behind donald trump as the details of the case spilled over. we will tell you what it felt like in the room when witnesses took the stand just a few feet away from the former president. the unscripted, unpredictable moments when the former president seemed to be nodding off, uttering curse words. what people said to each other in the line for the bathroom after that riveting controversial testimony from stormy daniels. from andrew weissman and best legal minds, we will hear from what they saw inside the court, that the nonlawyers, like the rest of us, might have missed. start things off with our first impressions from inside manhattan courthouse. it is a surreal moment going for the first time. and see a former president of the united states, who is simultaneously the world s greatest con artist. those two things at the same time as a criminal defendant, just spends things in a way that nothing else can. and the weirdness of that alone is your first in the courtroom. in that first hour, it is hard to take in anything other than the weirdness of donald trump. anticipating going into the courtroom, i was actually excited to do it. but first of all, because i feel like a somebody who has written a trump book and has been covering this man from the beginning of his presidential campaign on, this kind of felt like a crescenta moment for him , and for the country. it is the only trial that he is going to face. so it definitely felt like a big moment and something that i really did want to witness for myself. having worked in another investigation, and we could not charge the sitting president and donald trump, that was a department of justice rule. now, in a full-fledged criminal case, it was kind of remarkable. i thought there would be a lot of people there. a lot of pro trump people, in particular. and they really weren t. and then found my nbc pham, around the spot where we do stand up, found all the producers and camera operators and everything and stood in line for a really long time. i will say, the thing that i learned was it is not what you are wearing that makes a difference. it is what you are wearing on your feet, because where you are going to get caught is through the soles of your dress shoes, you idiot, why didn t you wear sneakers? people understand, it is not you just walk up to the courthouse and they whisk you in and it was this easy breezy kind of thing. you line up outside, across the street from center street because they anticipate a number of people showing up. so you have three different lines, it is, flake flying on an airline was actually kind of put you in a different group of people to board. two courtroom that look identical, the only difference being the judge and the jury, et cetera, are in the overflow. the overflow room hold other members of the media and also withhold members of the public. the overflow room has a very large monitor at the front of it that shows directly councils table. so you have the prosecution on one side, the defense on the other. what you very clearly see donald trump. it was like a spa compared to the courtroom. you can go to the restroom whatever you want to. you can, and there is this absence of tension. in the overflow room. that i didn t know i was feeling in the courtroom. until i wasn t in the courtroom. and it is almost like, you know, you re standing in this very difficult window all day. and then the wind stops. it is that kind of very different sensation in what seems to be the same place. the day before senator tommy tuberville of alabama had gone to the trial and said it was the most depressing building he had ever been in, and he scorned on it. and i take that man s statement with a grain of salt. but it was perfectly nice. it was a good, highly functioning municipal building. it kind of struck me how much a certain class of americans are used to very elite spaces, and they are not used to public spaces. in a simple spaces, bureaucratic spaces, you have to spend a lot of time in those kinds of spaces. elite people, people of power and money, they tend to be in grandeur. donald trump in that setting, both when he is walking past you, he walks in and out and you kind of seen for the first time. this was the first time i have seen him in person, he was less than expected the first time i was in the courtroom, donald trump was very surprised to see me because i had been mostly reporters, very few anchor types showing up there. and donald trump has hated me longer than anyone who was going to walk into that courtroom. he was once very fond of stormy daniels and you know, very fond of michael cohen. in 2011, when donald trump started about the presidential birth certificate, i said he was lying about it and i called him on the lie and donald trump had never been called a liar before in his life when he was leaving that day, he just did the stupidest thing you could possibly do, he looked right at me, in this grand way, that everyone in the courtroom could see, and he was trying to do a face that would be tough guy and scary and threatening and full of hate, but he is a terrible actor. and so it came out as just an insanely twisted face that meant nothing but madness. and i loved it. if there were cameras in the court, people all over america in all 50 states would be calling in sick to work in order to stay on and watch this thing. i mean, it is so freaking compelling in person. and the drama of this particular criminal case against trump is both lurid and cogent and full of amazing characters, and has just enough surprise to make every witness kind of a cliffhanger. it s, you can t. i don t know if trump is falling asleep or if he is just resting his eyes, but it is not boring. it is riveting. riveting is the perfect word to describe what it was like inside donald trump s trial. every trial is dramatic, it is why we all get addicted to tv shows like law and order and the wire. this is real life, and it was no exception. but it is one thing to hear the news about it, or if you are a nerd like me, to read the cold transcript. but tonight, we re going to continue to learn from people who were inside the courtroom, day in and day out, waking up at the crack of dawn to wait in line to get one of the few seats available to the public and the press at 100 center street here in manhattan. so tonight i m joined by a very special legal panel, who also spent many hours in the manhattan criminal courthouse, please welcome nbc senior legal correspondence and attorney, laura jarrett, in legal contributor, and former terminal trial attorney, katie fang, and msnbc legal correspondent, law litigator, lisa rubin. they are here with us for the whole hour, along with msnbc hosts giving us their impression from inside the courthouse. lisa, obviously, some of these witnesses got a ton of attention. they may not have been the most important witnesses. but stormy daniels, michael cohen. maybe the most surprising witness, which was the defendants last witness, the last anyone heard from bob castillo s. the big picture, what was your impression of how they did that people might not get from just reading accounts and hearing from us about what was technically said what was the sort of demeanor and tone that people might get i think the most important part about the witness that you can t get from reading the transcript, or sometimes even watching our coverage is the entrance and the exit. because all the witnesses were brought in through a side door to the courtroom, instead of the traditional back door where you walk along the entirety of the gallery, he watched through the center aisle and walked to the witness stand. here, each and every witness, no matter hostile to donald trump or friendly, had to walk by his first row of surrogates on their way into the courtroom. went by corporal security officers and those of them who had counsel, their counsel then load thereafter. in some cases, trump really wanted to have an interaction with the as with rona graff, his former executive assistant and other cases, the body language was as hostile as hostile could be. michael cohen looks like you wanted to vault over the courtroom doors so that he could avoid being even proximate to donald trump. that that entrance and exit was really fascinating to watch. katie, i had a question to you is somebody who spent so many years as a criminal prosecutor. lots of people have talked about how there should have been cameras in the courtroom, at least audio. and let s leave that aside for a moment. how do you think, if there had been cameras, that might have affected witnesses, the lawyers on either side, or even the defendant, donald trump, if this had been televised. i think it would ve increased the intensity of the experience for everyone involved, especially the witnesses. you kind of ask yourself on and off, donald trump himself would have maybe reacted to more visibly than he did. maybe she wouldn t have acted or looked like he was asleep if you knew that there was a camera trained on him. but when it comes to the witnesses themselves, it is important because if they knew, just like we have seen in other trials, that they would be on the witness stand. i think it would ve amplified maybe even performances that we saw from some of the witnesses. i think you are more hyperaware. i also think the jurors would have been aware, even if you never saw their identities, i know that they know it is important, what is at stake. but when you re in a courtroom, it is a small space. people need to understand this is not some huge cavernous federal courtroom. it is a small state courtroom and so people are within very close proximity, within feet of each other. and that is the jury. so if you know also, does not just people in the court that are watching or the overflow room, is america and the world, i think that amplifies the intensity. i was really surprised by how close the witness stand was to the jury box. really close. and actually the witness stand for donald trump was much, much further. so that was something i think you don t get from being there. much more for supersmart legal panel who were inside the courtroom, coming up. first, it is one of the most shocking testimonies of the truck, when stormy daniels took the stand, all while apparently, unbeknownst to us, wearing a bulletproof vest. after the break, our team takes us not only inside the courtroom, but inside the elevators and, wait for it, bathroom lines. where reporters try to process what they had just heard. you re watching prosecuting donald trump, witness to history. many of the journalists in the room are looking at each other think, my gosh, i can t believe that this is happening. i cannot believe this is actually being set on a public state. either way, how am i going to communicate this on television? everybody wants super straight, super white teeth. they want that hollywood white smile. new sensodyne clinical white provides 2 shades whiter teeth and 24/7 sensitivity protection. i think it s a great product. it s going to help a lot of patients. head & shoulders 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that bullet proof vest her lawyer says she wore to court. here are some more firsthand accounts from my colleagues from inside the room. when she came in, all of us kind of took a deep breath. no one expected we don t know who the witnesses are until that day. for a reason. right? the prosecution always protects their witnesses. resources we might figure out who witnesses maybe an hour beforehand. that morning, donald trump had posted on truth social that they had just informed of who the witness was and they had prepared and that person shouldn t be able to take the stand. and so the minute he had posted that, and then, by the way deleted it an hour later, we said, it is going to be stormy. i have compared this trial to watching two movies that are made eight years apart. and none of the central characters look the way you remember them in 2016. that is true of michael cohen, for example, as it is stormy daniels. on day one, she came in in a jumpsuit with her hair sort of haphazardly piled up on top of her head, wearing glasses, and not looking at all like the adult film star that we remembered. i have since come to learn, because her lawyer said this on another media outlet, she was wearing a bulletproof vest. and that accounted, i think, for her appearance, as well. she was wearing an outfit that accommodated her wearing a bulletproof vest because she felt that her life was at risk in coming to court and testify against former president trump and the reaction of people in margo world, who are loyal to president trump, i could just tell you this by looking at my twitter feed, reinforced why she felt she was in danger. we know trump reactions to stormy daniels thing, you can see. but there s donald trump, known to millions of people as the orange turned that has to sit there for the first time in his life and listen to himself being called the orange, his defense lawyer thinking that somehow harms stormy daniels. that she flippantly refers to donald trump as the orange turd. there s not a juror there who cares that stormy daniels refers to him as the orange turd. not one, they re not offended by it. these are new yorkers, these are people who have hurt worse in every trip on the subway. so we leave the courtroom, we walk out, there is like a row of bathrooms during breaks. everybody kind of lines up in the bathroom like you would in any kind of public place. we are all online looking at each other, giving eyes to each other. oh my gosh, that really what happened? getting onto the elevator, going down for lunch, did she just accuse the former president of this? did she just say this happened with the former president everybody s kind of mulling over and digesting what it is we all just heard the jurors, i think, have been admirably sort of stonefaced. i know i have seen reports, i didn t see it with my own eyes, but i ve seen reports of some jurors kind of involuntarily reacting to some of the more salacious details i came out, particularly during stormy daniels paths tory., the jury was like stonehenge. like they were very restrained. this is a case about falsifying business records and the defense team made it sound like a 1970s rape case. they went after her about really hard about the fact that she has been in the porn industry for years. you have been in more than 200 porn films, how could you be a damsel in distress in the hotel room? in that moment, look at right at the jurors faces to try to see if i could read anything and get any glimpse of what they were thinking. they were inscrutable. they are maintaining a poker face the whole time. this is the same courtroom that harvey weinstein was tried in. this is a storied courthouse. this is a storied prosecution team. they have done sex crimes before. this was such a momentto have the woman at the center of this case basically told she couldn t have possibly been a comfortable because she had been. she was treated so differently than other witnesses. hope hicks and david pecker, the person at the head of the national enquirer, were devastating witnesses. they are sensitive testimony is so damning for donald trump and their cross-examination was kid gloves. nobody s testimony is in some respects, more devastating than hope hicks, because of her proximity. nobody questioned her credibility but if you take a step back and you separate these women and you forget about the accident of their respective births, hope hicks, for example, coming from very wealthy, greenwich, connecticut. sort of the academy of poise and grace in the trump white house, contrasted with stormy daniels, who had, by contrast, very rough childhood, a mother who abandoned her. all this comes out on her direct examination. but the difference in how they were trusted, i think, is really palpable. sort of a toxic brew of class and misogyny. there was absolutely a judgment about her credibility based on what she did for a living. and then you have to think to yourself, well, wait a second. hope hicks may look the way that she did, but she not only worked for trump once, she worked for trump twice she left the white house in march of 2018, came back to work for the former president, and stayed after he lost the election, despite the fact that she was privately advising him that he had lost in the things that his lawyers and allies were saying about his not losing the election and his winning were fraudulent. she still stayed. i have to question, who lacks credibility now? so fascinating to hear their stories. the legal brains in the room or hyper focused on the defenses strategy to go hard after stormy daniels on cross- examination. but not hope hicks or david pecker. our panel had a front row seat to it all is back. so, katie, from your spot in the courtroom, what do you think of stormy daniels? how did she do from actually seeing her life, as opposed to just reading it cold? she did a spectacular job. stormy daniels s testimony did not come across as rehearsed. whether you liked it or not, because of the sincerity. didn t seem like she rehearsed or practiced her testimony. given, she had prepared and that is the big difference. preparing with lawyers is totally different. but she prepared for that and she did a great job and i think she knew that even though, i call it a detour, not a sideshow but 80 torr of the case took a detour to export what happened between her and donald trump because he had to create the foundation of why the payment was made by michael cohen. how it got to the level of the business records being falsified. but you needed to have that dialogue. and what is really important, everybody likes to say that this is a paper case but is about humanity in some way, right? people s courage, people s involvement with others. extramarital affairs, hush money payments, all that is a very human thing and she brought that humanity to the case. i had the same reaction. i thought, in many ways, she did better on cross, because you got a better sense of her as a person. and she was responding sort of naturally to questions that she didn t know what was coming up and she really got a sense of her and also i thought how smart. exactly. you know, the sort of assumption, as you said, are ones that are sort of, i sort of found myself checking myself saying why am i so surprised? i should not have been. so laura, so one of the more unusual aspects of this case was how it ended with bob castillo being called by the defense. i did not see that coming. lisa always thought they would call him. i thought they wouldn t do it. i am with you. one of the reasons i m with you is that bob castillo, if you remember, was somebody who donald trump said before this case was indicted, that he wanted the grand jurors to hear from you that well, okay, that is a really stupid move because it is never going to stop the grand jury from indicting, you just revealed something to the prosecution. and as a defense lawyer, one of the things you have, sometimes almost the only thing you have is surprised. and so here they sort of, it was flopped out to the prosecution a year ago. so obviously, the call record here does give some flavor to castillo. i don t know if he explains the clearing of the courtroom and how dramatic it was to be in the room with the judge who was so fired up. i thought he was going to throw him behind bars. so bob castillo gets on the stand and right away, he is combative, he is aggressive. he is rolling his eyes, he is muttering audibly. could you hear it? i am in the courtroom, lighting up the chat like, guys, this is going off the rails fast, okay? we had a sense it was going south but i didn t know it was going to go as south as it did. in the overflow, by the way. you are also communicating to your colleagues? we sort of have a bizarre pony express situation now. allow do some electronics not also we can use our phones in the physical courtroom because i think there s a concern that somebody is going to mess up and tape it, even though we had been admonished not to but we can use our laptops. and so we can send messages by email, by slack, by dm but we can t use our phones. so in the chat, we are all sitting color from the courtroom about what we are observing, that tone, about how things are going. i often just focus on the jury is i m very interested in what they re picking up on. right away, the jury is looking at each other like something is about to go down here. so it had been a sleepy morning. everybody was sort of feeling monday, all of its glory. and then bob castillo get on the stand in the afternoon and we are off to the races. so because he was so, i think, contemptuous of the judge and the process and did not like being interrupted this is a federal prosecutor who really felt like he should be respected and he thought susan hoffinger, the prosecutor, was telling him in a way that he didn t like and he didn t like interrupted when she was objecting. most of those objections were sustained. so in the room, the tension is boiling, okay? and finally, the judge sends the jury out. i go oh god, here we go. but then, robert costello is giving it back to the judge, and the judge got so upset he clears the courtroom from the press, which is highly unusual, okay? usually, there s a security situation, that is one thing. this was not that. the judge was fired up and i think he was worried about what he might say and so he clears the courtroom for only a few minutes, we should make that clear. it wasn t long. we all come back in and he is still kind of rolling his eyes for the remainder of the afternoon. there is a period, the period where everyone gets out of the courtroom other than, you have honestly the defense team, on the prosecution table. but then the public and the press are out of the room. not all of them. that is what i was going to say. so it is really interesting because i think as we mentioned, the first two rows, which were sort of friends of, like bride and groom. they are still there. but this is what, all of us have to go through, the cold record. it is chaotic. the media is screaming we have a right to be here. our media lawyers trying to object. the court officers are having none of it. everybody is ushered in. thank you, the judge to make a record of what happened. so in a couple of hours we also the transcript, we know what happened. in the moment, we all were sent out but obviously should not have happened. this legal panel the state put four more of our excellent discussion. but first, you could feel the tension in the courtroom when trump s one-time fixer, michael cohen, took the stand and came face-to-face with his ex-boss for the first time in years. he was like sammy groove on a and he just skillet and can weigh, a long line of under links flipping on their bosses. after the break, our team gives us their first-hand account of what that moment was like. the first moment when trump s lawyer, todd blanche, gets up and asked cohen, did you call me a little crying [ bleep ] or whatever it was, and the judge immediately instructs them to approach as the d.a.s office raises an objection. everyone was talking about that. 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[vroom] [train horn] [buzz] clearing the way, [whoosh] so you arrive exactly where you belong. once the testimony from stormy daniels was over, we didn t have to wait long before the next very dramatic testimony , michael cohen, trumps former fixer and loyal attack dog. now a star witness for the prosecution. and his testimony placed the former president at the center of this alleged criminal scheme. so what was it like in person? what was it like when michael cohen saw his old boss for the first time in years? and what was it like to witness the showdown between cohen and trumps defense lawyers? during what turned out to be just a brutal cross examination ? let s go back inside the courtroom with our msnbc and nbc colleagues. the jury has been waiting for this moment as long as we have. it is highly anticipated. they have come face-to-face before in the civil fraud trial, but this is criminal this is different. and he is the only one who can tie donald trump directly to this crime. he is the linchpin of the prosecutor s case and he has given up the goods. he has put him from trump tower to the oval office in a way that nobody else can. there s a few moments that really stood out. the first moment wins trumps lawyer, todd blanche gets up and asks cohen, did you call me a little crying [ bleep ]? the judge immediately instructs him to approach, as the d.a.s office raises an objection. everyone was talking about that. everybody was talking about how strange way for blanche to open up the proceedings. when you prosecute cases whenever but he has her hands dirty. that was michael cohen of the time when he was working for donald trump and doing these things for him, it always, always captivates and captures the interest of the jury when they hear from the fixer, when they hear from the henchman, when they hear from the guys that did the dirty work for the kingpin. i did not notice any interaction between the former president and michael cohen. but i did notice how closely michael cohen is making i can t with the jury, especially when he is describing some of the most emotional parts of the story. when he is describing his come to jesus moment when why he decided he is going to choose his family over donald trump i think cohen was successful in maintaining control over his own demeanor. he did not get agitated. he did not act out. there were times where he got short or little snippy but mostly maintained the kind of equilibrium throughout that i think was probably helpful with the jury. i think he did do a pretty good job of humanizing himself look, there are many people on the jury that will never know a person whose loyalty to an accused criminal defendant was as extensive as michael cohen s was by his own admission. of course, michael cohen is a person who pled guilty on two different occasions to a panoply of federal crimes. one of the federal judges called it a smorgasbord of crime. i think you humanized himself? yes. i think it is necessarily relatable? not quite. but he doesn t have to be a person that they want to have a beer with. these are some the most stunning days in court when michael cohen finally took the stand. as the piece mentioned, the jury seemed to have been waiting for that moment as long as the journalist in the room had. but being there, in person, there s some really noticeable differences between the michael cohen we have gotten to know on cable news shows or maybe his podcast versus who we saw testifying. his demeanor, how he sounded i will have to say, i posted a double take when the defense played a clip of cohen from his podcast, when you heard his voice from the podcast, and compare that to what you had heard from the stand over the last day. in that contrast is something that can play very well for the defense in summation to argue there are really two michael cohen s katie, lisa, and laura are back with us. i wanted to ask about that issue of how you thought his very polite, unflappable, even killed demeanor. solemn. which, in many ways, is what you want a witness to be. i thought that played given that they did see this other piece, they actually heard his voice and he also was describing the way he behaved in bullying people and acting as, a phrase that i hate but i m going to use, as sort of trumps pitbull. he has done that the moment is coming for a long time, for anybody getting up there, it is rattling and he kept his cool, even when things got thrown his way that he was not prepared for and that were a surprise and made him look like a liar. even he was crossed at some point about his information about his wife and his child. that i thought oh, okay, what is going to happen, i was waiting for fireworks. but they didn t come, he kept a calm, and i think that he came off as, on the stand, sort of hat in hand on his. there were times where i felt like he was sort of resisting in terms of like, well, that doesn t play alive. i thought just tell them, of course, just own it. you have already come this far. they heard two on the podcast talking about revenge is a dish best served cold. let s lay it all out there and they won t punish you for it. the jury think you re being authentic. even if what you said is horrendous, right? jurors are like drug dealers and they think they are being honest, they have to come off as authentic. so i m surprised there were times where there was like, you could feel that resistance. katie, wanted to talk to you about juan merchan, the judge overseeing this. full disclosure, i now have a man crush on him. i just think he is just a spectacular judge. the first thing when i went to court, the very first time, i was struck by his voice and we have all been in court, we have seen judges and seen judges who can t control a courtroom. we have seen judges who control a courtroom by raising their voice and through histrionics and hear, he controlled the courtroom by being the adults in the room and had such a calm judicial temperament. and i just felt like he wasn t going to tolerate and he expected everyone to behave properly. it was just, i thought, sort of remarkable. that is sort of my view. don t let me influence you. how do you think he did? this is the first ever trial of a current or former president, enormous pressures, enormous claims of violations of the gag order that he found 10 times and a lot of novel legal issues to deal with, how did you think he did managing this case? we have been inside courtrooms, in front of judges, very high-stakes cases, the one thing that we know is the person who is gatekeeping everything is the judge, right? and to laura s point that she made earlier, the jury looks to the judge, sometimes as a paternal figure or a maternal figure or somebody who is going to be there to kind of guide us through this process, which can be confusing it can be mazelike for some people. the thing about donald trump is he has introduced us to different judges, right? we have seen the brett kavanaugh s of the world, and his demeanor during a confirmation hearing. we have also seen justice arthur engoron through the civil fraud trial. we have seen judge kaplan from federal court for e. jean carroll s trials. we have seen different judges. the thing that i think is so, so poor in terms of america not being able to know judge merchan is not being able to see and hear him because he is measured and he is calm, even in the face of all the scrutiny and all these complex legal issues. why? because this man came to the united states, he immigrated at the age of six from columbia. he is one of six children. he was washing dishes. he went to school. you know, he graduated at the first member of his family to go to college. he lived in queens. he worked at the new york d.a.s office, and the new york state attorney general s office and has been a judge since 2006. if there is anyone who isn t, i beg you, find somebody else that is not more new york than judge juan merchan. a lot of new york are, when you think about donald trump having a jury of his peers in this trial, but having a man like judge or sean who is overseeing just the personalities, right? and having to be able to manage that. he has done a fantastic job and i think it is just not good that we haven t been able to see that in terms of on video. i love your response, because donald trump has attacked this judge, is not the first time he has attacked judges because, as donald trump says, he is unfair because of where he comes from, to quote. we all know what that means. and your answer tells us exactly where this judge came from and there will be controversy from this trial, one side or the other, in every trial, one side is disappointed or not, as to what happened. and the fact that we were all there, inside the court, i think we can all agree. this is such a fair trial, and such a fair process because of the judge, there are really good lawyers on both sides. whatever was happening, it is not because the process isn t working. again, it is really important, and i think the judge is primarily responsible for that. so, all right, we re not the only ones consumed by this trial. our viewers also have a lot of questions, we ll answer a few of them. you re watching prosecuting donald trump, witness to history. ya know, if you were cashbacking you could earn on everything with just one card. chase freedom unlimited. so, if you re off the racking. .or crab cracking, you re cashbacking. cashback on flapjacks, baby backs, or tacos at the taco shack. nah, i m working on my six pack. switch to a king suite- or book a silent retreat. silent retreat? 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[ bird squawks loudly ] to a pet shop. meg s moving company uses t-mobile. so she scaled down her fleet to save money. and don s paying so much for at&t, he s been waiting to update his equipment! there s a smarter way to save. comcast business mobile. you could save up to 70% on your wireless bill. so you don t have to compromise. powering smarter savings. powering possibilities. welcome back to prosecuting donald trump a witness to history. a special report on in person, in the courtroom reporting of the first ever criminal trial of an american president. over the last 50 minutes or so, we have given you an inside look at the trial through the eyes of our msnbc team . but we know that you have lots of questions about what you saw over the last several weeks here is andrew wiseman and our legal panel. jakes, rachel. let s get right to your questions so meritor from new jersey asks, the gap city courthouse, why were special accommodations made for trump and his allies? i know you have been very fixed on the last part of his allies. for example, he was allowed to rent and against the judicial system in others and lie blatantly, and his son and allies were allowed to keep their phones while in court. so, why was that? i will give you what i think is the only reasonable argument for it, and then stipulate that it has been abused and wildly so. i think the legitimate reason is for his own security. these are arrangements that are made between the court, the nypd and the secret service. for example, trump enters through a separate entrance to the courthouse. there is a street that is blocked off for his motorcade to approach that entrance. these separate elevators, he s got his own holding rooms. when he appears for the press conferences, he comes through a set of darkened glass doors beyond which are those holding rooms however, there are some things that are going on here that definitely have been abused. the first of which is the reserved seats those are supposed to be for extra members of his defense team, and that is the way that the d.a.s office has used their side of the drive side, as you said earlier. in trump s case, he is using it for sort of rotating surrogate operation. and those surrogates not only have their phones, but they are tweeting from the courtroom. we can prove that they are tweeting from the courtroom, timestamps on their tweets or truth social post, and there often doing it to circumvent the gag order, which one of them admitted on another media outlet last week. there are some special arrangements here, that should have been made for former president security and yet they have been rampantly abused by him and his friend. including the group of people from congress wearing sort of identical uniforms, sort of mini me s of the former president. i should note, all former presidents are given secret service. donald trump has not been treated differently. from the netherlands, she asks, is the decision of the jury final? well, welcome to gain a panel of lawyers. this is the kind of question where, his lawyers don t have a great name, which is it depends. but here is like a one key answer if there is a conviction , that is something that can be appealed on the law. if there are legal mistakes that were made. the jury was instructed improperly on the law, is evidence was kept out that was material, improperly. those kinds of things can be appealed and it can take quite some time. so there is recourse there. so it s really complicated. let me just say, thank you so much to our incredible team. it is really great to be here, nerdy out with lawyers and all of us having been in the courtroom. thanks so much for your perception and insight and personal stories. and thank all of you for spending the last hour with us. if you can t get enough trump news, and you want to take even deeper, try the msnbc podcast, hosted by mary mccord and me. have a
shell. powering progress. defensive democracy. president biden is about an hour from landing in philadelphia tonight after playing paying a march to fallen world war i heroes at a cemetery in france. congressman jerry conley of the house foreign affairs committee joins me to discuss the study in contrast with implications for global stability. inside the biden campaign with the re-election effort in full swing in the first presidential debate a few weeks away, adrian elrod, campaign senior adviser and spokesperson is here to talk about the biden-harris game plan ahead. former congressman joe walsh, former congressman donna edwards and andrew of punch bowl news will weigh in on everything from donald trump s interview tomorrow to notable comments on the and other sunday shows and you know we are going to discuss this disparaging comment from rudy giuliani about fulton county d.a. fani willis. i have two prosecutors. i am jonathan capehart. this is the sunday show. president biden is flying back from france at this hour after a five-day trip highlighting america s fight for freedom and democracy abroad . biden began his visit with a d speech at the site of the day honoring the soldiers who stormed the beaches of normandy, and defeated fascism. earlier today, the president stopped by the world war i cemetery outside paris where he praised the nato alliance that has secured peace for the past eight decades. mr. president, what do you hope americans take away? the knowledge that the best way to avoid these kinds of battles in the future is to stay strong with our allies. do not break. do not break. 80 years of relative peace, especially in europe, is a historical admiration. we have been able to maintain this piece because of institutions like nato, created with and sustained by leadership in the united states and presidents from both parties. we cannot take this peace and world order for granted. biden s remarks were also a clear rebuke to donald trump and the selfishness he is shown on the world stage. in 2018, trump infamously refused to enter the cemetery where biden spoke today. the atlantic reportedend quote, trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain and because he did not believe it important to honor american war dead. trump said, why should i go to that cemetery? it s filled with losers. former white house chief of staff john kelly, a retired four-star marine general, also confirmed that conversation to cnn, but trump denies it ever happened, calling the story quote, made up, at a rally in las vegas today. he also complimented hungarian strongman victor or bond and shared his own dark vision of the world order. the world is going to look up to us with respect. they re not going to be laughing at us. they right now are laughing at us. your closer right now to world war iii than you ve ever been in this is no longer army tanks going back and forth. these are nuclear weapons the likes of which, and the power of which has never ever been seen before. trumps fear mongering about nuclear war comes less than 24 hours before he will be sitting down with a probation officer in new york. nbc news has the reporting that trump will be interviewed tomorrow as part of the presentencing requirements for his criminal conviction. as biden prepares for g-7 summit in italy this week, trump will be focused on securing his own freedom because as dana milbank writes in the washington post today, trump is serving the highest cause he knows, himself. joining me now is democratic congressman jerry connolly of virginia, member of the house foreign affairs committee and senior member of the house oversight committee. as always, thank you very much for coming to the sunday show. let s start with breaking news out of israel for a key rival of israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, opposition leader benny gantz, just resigned from israel s war cabinet. what could this mean for cease- fire negotiations? i hope it puts more pressure on netanyahu to agree to his own government s proposal for a cease-fire agreement that president biden has been championing. i think the loss of gantz really fractures unity in israel at a time when it desperately needs it but i do think and hope it puts political pressure on netanyahu to end the fighting and the killing, and come to an agreement so hostages can be released and civilians can try to restore their lives. hundreds of palestinians were killed in the raid that rescued was four israeli hostages yesterday. , and that impact negotiations? the initial response in israel is celebration at the release of four hostages who have been there for eight months . that is to be celebrated, but the loss of life incurred in doing that is something that i think is horrifying, and i would hope the israeli military and the israeli government take a moment of reflection about the high cost of their operations generally in gaza. one more question on israel before we turn to domestic issues. there is also talk of opening up another front in the north to deal with hezbollah in lebanon. would that be a wise thing for israel to do? i am not a military adviser but i think israel has its hands full right now with the operations in gaza and the occupation of the west bank to open up really a third front on the lebanese border with hezbollah, i think, would really tax the israeli military in ways that go back to rivaling the war of 1973, and i hope it can be avoided. let s turn our attention stateside. mckay [ inaudible ] reports about how terrified europe is of a second trump presidency reading quote, one word came up again and again when i asked european officials about the stakes of the election. existential. but here s what senator tom cotton had to say about ending the current war on european soil in ukraine. the way to have peace in europe and for that matter, peace and stability around the world is to remove joe biden from the white house on election day this year and return donald trump. that is how we will get back to peace and stability. congressman, why shouldn t europeans be afraid with comments like that? they should be and they are. i ve been very involved in the legislative arm of nato for the last decade plus, and i can tell you i have never seen the europeans as anxious about american politics as they are right now. everything is at stake and as you indicated, nato, ironically, house work. it s kept the peace for most of 80 years. it is the one thing putin respects. he will not cross the nato border because of article five it says an attack on one his attack on all of us and we mean it. he has respected that. he has respected nothing else in this war but that so to call into question the viability on the utility and the efficacy of nato when it is working and we have a war going on is really reckless, and i don t think any european is going to turn to tom cotton for advice as we go forward. we should point out that article five is been invoked only once in nato s history, and that was to protect the united states after the terrorist attacks of 9/11. meanwhile, far right parties have made significant gains in elections today so much so that french president macron announced today that he would dissolve the nation s parliament and call for snap elections and this is significant because his current term does not end until 2027. are the far right forces gaining record support in europe as much a threat as a trump 2.0 in washington? i think there is a lot of variety among what is generically called the right in europe. the right in italy is very different than the right in germany and austria and on and on. obviously it is alarming to see this kind of far right parties make gains in european elections. european elections sometimes are a second vote for europeans, so they might not vote for the people who govern their own country but it is kind of a free vote, a way of expressing dissatisfaction with the status quo. obviously it reflects deep concern about the immigration issue in europe and we have to take note of that and respect that as a potent issue going forward. potent issue in europe, but does that also mean americans should look at what is happening in europe, american officials look at what is happening in europe and taking? yes. we can t afford to ignore what s happening in europe. that does not necessarily mean exactly that will happen here but it does not mean nothing. it is resonating with voters and we ve got to take cognizance of that. jerry connolly, member of the house foreign affairs committee and senior member of the house oversight committee, thanks for coming to the sunday show. joining me now, barbara walter, professor of relations at the university of california, san diego, she is the author of how civil wars started how to stop them. thank you very much for coming back to the sunday show. so, is it me or does it feel to you that trumps rhetoric of revenge and vengeance has kicked into a whole new gear, and how significant is it that his high-ranking followers are openly calling for the prosecution of trumps so-called enemies? well, the evidence is very clear. if you go back and listen to tapes and watch videos of trump in 2016, he is a very different person today and what he is saying is different than in 2016. he is much more aggressive. he is using much more negative, hate-filled, threatening language. it is like he is a bully on steroids today whereas he was not in 2016, and one of the things we also know from lots of research is that rhetoric matters, especially violent rhetoric, that if you have leaders who begin to normalize the idea that violence is legitimate, that their supporters believe it and some of them actually follow through with it, so it s not agnostic. it s not a game. this is not something that has no repercussions. if you have somebody like trump , who so many people idolize and his so many people believe is their hero and who is going to save them and he s telling them that the only way to save america is through violence, the only way that they won t be in danger is if they take back their country, they are going to believe him. the washington post has a front-page story about the former trump director who wrote in a 2022 essay quote, we are living in a post-constitutional time. according to the time, that quote has helped craft proposals for donald trump to deploy the military to quash civil unrest, sees more control over the justice department and assert the power to withhold congressional appropriations and that is just on trump s first day back in office. barbara, why should americans be very concerned about this? again, history tells us a lot. it used to be that the way autocrats came to power in democracies was through military coups. they got the military to help them, but that is not the case in the 21st century. today, the most likely way an autocrat can take control of democracy is through essentially legal means. they play the democratic game. they get elected. they build a base. they tell people that they are going to save them from all these bad things that could happen to them. they convince them that democracy maybe isn t the best system. it s not efficient, not effective, not serving them, then they slowly withdraw the guardrails of democracy in one of the reasons why trump is so in awe of victor orban, the leader of hungary, is that he is really the very first 21st- century leader to do this, and he did it masterfully. it is almost as if he wrote the book on it, and trump has met with him a number of times, and i suspect that one of the things they are talking about is how we can do this in the united states, and we know that organizations like the heritage foundation have crafted very lengthy manuals for how the republican party can do this in 2024 if trump wins. right, and it s called project 25 out of the heritage foundation. barbara, thank you very much for coming to the sunday show. coming up, the view from inside president biden s re- election campaign. adrian elrod, senior adviser and spokesperson for the biden- harris campaign joins me in studio to talk about their strategy on contentious issues like border security, the economy and the war in gaza. plus, how drag performers are helping lead the charge on attacks against the lgbtq+ community. you are watching the sunday show on msnbc. you are watching show on msnbc. if you re living with hiv, imagine being good to go without daily hiv pills. good to go unscripted. good to go on a whim. with cabenuva, there s no pausing for daily hiv pills. for adults who are undetectable, cabenuva is the only complete, long-acting hiv treatment you can get every other month. it s two injections from a healthcare provider. just 6 times a year. don t receive cabenuva if you re allergic to its ingredients, or if you re taking certain medicines, which may interact with cabenuva. serious side effects include allergic reactions, post-injection reactions, liver problems, and depression. if you have a rash and other allergic reaction symptoms, stop cabenuva and get medical help right away. tell your doctor if you have liver or kidney problems, mental health concerns and if you are pregnant, breastfeeding, or considering pregnancy. some of the most common side effects include injection-site reactions, fever, and tiredness. with cabenuva, you re good to go. ask your doctor about switching. i told myself i was ok with my moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis symptoms. with my psoriatic arthritis symptoms. but just ok isn t ok. and i was done settling. if you still have symptoms after a tnf blocker like humira or enbrel, rinvoq is different and may help. rinvoq is a once-daily pill that can rapidly relieve joint pain, stiffness, and swelling in ra and psa. relieve fatigue. and stop further joint damage. and in psa, can leave skin clear or almost clear. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal; cancers, including lymphoma and skin; heart attack, stroke, and gi tears occurred. people 50 and older with a heart disease risk factor have an increased risk of death. serious allergic reactions can occur. tell your doctor if you are or may become pregnant. done settling? 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yes, i think so. part of what we wanted to emphasize in that ad is under president biden, you have the freedom to live under democracy. you have the freedom to make your own economic decisions. before trump put three pro-life supreme court justices on the court we women have the freedom to make our own reproductive health decisions. that freedom was taken away solely because of donald trump s a part of what that is doing is connecting the dots. we currently have the freedom to live under a democracy but if donald trump steps back into the white house, democracy will be at risk and when you saw president biden, who had an incredible week overseas honoring our following fallen and the 80th anniversary of d-day, how american allies in america fought to protect democracy across the world is a smart risk now than it ever was. now weaving all of these things together, talking about the freedoms we have in the president biden and the freedoms we won t have if trump wins the election, that is core to this campaign, and you will continue to hear that message throughout the next five months. while the president was in france yesterday, thousands of palestinian protesters rallied outside the white house urging the president to halt military aid to israel. how are these protests waiting on the campaign? first of all president biden, unlike former president trump, supports freedom of speech and expression. these protesters are exercising their right. that being said, we understand it the challenge. president biden is certainly fighting for every vote. he s not taking anything for granted but this is the freedom people have. they have the right to protest. they have the right to speak their mind. is not going to take anything for granted and it s important to keep in mind during these challenging times on the foreign policy front, on the global front, can you imagine having donald trump back in the white house trying to manage all this? president biden is a seasoned foreign-policy pro-who served as the chair on the senate foreign relations committee for a long time. he has these relationships with world leaders that go deep so we are going to be reinforcing the fact that is an important attribute the president has. at the same time we are working hard for every single vote. one thing that is going to make getting every vote a little problematic is the president s new executive action on the border which temporarily halts asylum requests once the average number of daily encounters tops 2500 at points of entry and it is drawing criticism from all quarters on both sides of the aisle. are you afraid of alienating progressive voters who argue that this policy is too harsh? no, we are not because here is the bottom line. republicans in congress did not act because their supreme leader donald trump said you can t. we will not pass the most historic bipartisan bill that has come forward in congress for 10 years because they did not want joe biden to have a win. they did not want him to have a political wins a president biden has to use every lover he can in the white house to do something about the border. americans know, democrats and republicans understand that there is a crisis of the border and asked to get solved but if congress is not going to act, if republicans in congress are going to block products progress on this than president biden is going to use every level at his disposal to try to make some change so this was an important executive action last week. it is something that has to take place and it is unfortunate that congress won t act. hopefully they will. there is still time to come to the table. that s where we are. okay, great economic news for the country, particularly the president. unemployment remains below 4%, but what guidance importers biden supporters are complaining about is that they are not hearing some of these things. reporter: you re not the first person who told me that the president is not necessarily communicating his accomplishments. why do you think he s not doing that? he needs to do better at basically putting it in people s faces. i accomplished this. i did this and the benefits you have now or because of me and my administration. that needs to be clear because i don t think many people do know what he has actually gotten done. so the question is this. is it that you re not communicating, or you are not breaking through when you do communicate, and if it is the latter, how are you going to breakthrough? she just did a really great job. i don t have to tell you this. it is really hard to breakthrough in the cycle. that s why we are using surrogates and taking our message to the voters. we have an aggressive digital strategy working with surrogates to get that message out but at the same time, everything president biden has accomplished, record gdp growth, record unemployment, the 15 million jobs he s created under his presidency, we understand americans are still hurting. prices are still too high which is why he is really making the case that in a second term is going to continue to work hard to lower prices and drug cost unlike donald trump, who has no economic plan. the first presidential debate is in three weeks, june 27th. i m not convinced trump is going to show up. are you already planning for that possibility? we are showing up. i can t speak for what he s going to do but president biden is showing up and looking forward to this conversation. he has a lot of things to talk to donald trump about and is looking forward to having a major platform to tell the american people. thank you very much for coming to the sunday show. coming up, donald trump s first official rally since his criminal conviction just one day before his first meeting with a new york probation officer. my panel is studio will weigh in on that and more, next on the sunday show. the sunday sho. and while we re still miles from the lake, i m gonna launch this boat right here. see ya. 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for sure. you see many of these potential running mates for donald trump going on tv, rushing to defend him and his various cases and advancing some of the same arguments. i agree that she is probably a top contender. on capitol hill the conversation usually centers around people like senator tim scott or jd vance. some conversations involve senator marco rubio, as well. there is the question of him having florida residency and former president trump having florida residency in this arcane role for the top of the ticket in the vice presidential nominee cannot be from the same state technically so how do you address that issue constitutionally but he is in the conversation. elise stefanik is out there doing this because she wants to be trump s vice presidential nominee. she is someone who came up in the republican party is someone viewed as a moderate, someone who will change the face of the party. she started this organization, winning for women, a republican women s group supporting candidates across the country that were more moderate, more centrist talking about issues that are more appealing to suburban women voters, for example, that republicans have lost out on in the last few elections and you see the transformation in real-time here. yes, huge transformation. you invoke the name of another person auditioning for terms vpn that is senator tim scott. listen to what he claims would happen if donald trump wins re- election. protecting law and justice is job one for president trump. he will not target his political opponents. he were fire merrick garland and restore confidence in the department of justice. for real, he will not target his political opponents? this week all he said was oh you know, i might have to get revenge. come on. every time he speaks i don t recognize who he is but to end this point, i don t know who the vp pick is going to be but it will be somebody who is going to have to lie about the election and say that donald trump is a victim right now who will weaponize the justice department. that s the job requirement. tim scott is just like all these republican vp wannabes, and they are going down to the very bottom to defend donald trump to say that he is saying things that he doesn t say. donald trump himself has said how he s going to weaponize the department of justice. we are not making that up. those are his own words so i think these republicans are trying to clean up donald trump s act but it is really not working. i want to squeeze in one more potential vp nominee. this is congressman byron donalds at the town hall event. this is a change my mind, not element seven, element six. watch this. during jim crow, more black people were not just conservative but more black people voted conservatively. the congressman went on with reverend sharpton yesterday and they got into, you know, shouting match with byron donalds saying i didn t say that i m not going to sit here and have you lie. we just saw that. why can you byron donalds post a video of himself saying that during jim crow over 4000 fathers, brothers, mothers, sisters were lynched. during jim crow, people s rights were taken away from them. during jim crow, black families were terrorized across the south. byron donalds, i don t know what vision what version of america he is living but it is not a version many of our parents and grandparents would recognize. i want to give a shout out to my colleagues who did a masterful job interviewing him and pointing out all those things. my sound off panel is going to stay with us. don t go anywhere. we are going to discuss rudy giuliani s crazy comment about fani willis. with bounce pet, you can cuddle and brush that hair off. bounce, it s the sheet. 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all right. you already know what i m going to ask. none of this applies to trump. absolutely no remorse. he is not following the rules. my great fear is, though, he s going to be sentenced to prison and become even a bigger martyr than he is now. i spent a lot of time in criminal court reading pre- sentence reports. it s hard to imagine that trump is going to do anything that really mitigates in front of the judge for sentencing and i think a probation officer is going to have to conclude that this is a man who will not abide by the rules of probation that are set for him. well i mean, he doesn t have to go to jail. can t they put him under house arrest? there are a lot of options but it still means he will be, on some level, on probation and the question is, is he going to comply with those rules and the answer is no. and he wanted and he will scream he s a victim. let s keep in mind, rules on travel and things, you have to get permission to leave but also, he can associate with anyone who has a criminal record. his entourage is lousy with convicted criminals. s entourage, his campaign operation, hard to imagine he would be able to agree to even that simple rule. okay. no time to keep going. former congressman joe walsh, don edwards, thank you very much for coming to the sunday show. when we come back, how performers are fighting back against the taxon drag entertainment. drag entertainment. hollywood white . new sensodyne clinical white provides 2 shades whiter teeth and 24/7 sensitivity protection. i think it s a great product. it s going to help a lot of patients. my mental health was better. but uncontrollable movements called td, tardive dyskinesia, started disrupting my day. td felt embarrassing. i felt like disconnecting. i asked my doctor about treating my td, and learned about ingrezza. ingrezza ingrezza is clinically proven for reducing td. most people saw results in just two weeks. people taking ingrezza can stay on most mental health meds. only number-one prescribed ingrezza has simple dosing for td: always one pill, once daily. ingrezza can cause depression, suicidal thoughts, or actions in patients with huntington s disease. pay close attention to and call your doctor if you become depressed, have sudden changes in mood, behaviors, feelings, or have thoughts of suicide. don t take ingrezza if you re allergic to its ingredients. ingrezza may cause serious side effects, including angioedema, potential heart rhythm problems, and abnormal movements. report fevers, stiff muscles, or problems thinking as these may be life threatening. sleepiness is the most common side effect. take control by asking your doctor about ingrezza. ingrezza we really don t want people to think of feeding food like ours is spoiling their dogs. good, real food is simple. it looks like food, it smells like food, it s what dogs are supposed to be eating. no living being should ever eat processed food for every single meal of their life. it s amazing to me how many people write in about their dogs changing for the better. the farmer s dog is just our way to help people take care of them. shingles. some describe it as an intense burning sensation. or an unbearable itch. this painful blistering rash could also disrupt your work and time with family. shingles could also lead to long term, debilitating nerve pain that can last for months or even years. if you re over 50, the virus that causes shingles is likely already inside of you. 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for me the for the people that came to help, it was really just all in a day s work situations like this really show everyone and certainly showed us in this instance just how much all of us out in the world depend on all of you and again, i want to thank the crew from medic 24 firefighter hayden campbell, firefighter, paramedic, atom iq, and fire inspector paramedic, kimberly booser, who helped bring gray into the world. i got to be reunited with them over the weekend and i also learned when i spoke to adam and his crew, they were just as happy as i was to have a friendly female face on that crew. thank you. to kim for taking charge because man, she did. we also do want to just take a moment to thank all of the first responders here in the district of columbia, but across the country that all of us trust with our lives every day, because you really have no idea when you might need to make that call and having those people on the other end of the line makes all the difference in the world. they are truly lifesavers, so thank you to all of them, thanks to our panel, thanks to all of you for joining us. i m kasie hunt. don t go anywhere. cnn news central starts right this morning. a former president meets with his probation officer, you wonder if james madison had that in mind when writing the constitution what can donald trump say that might impact? his sentence? tony blinken back in the middle east set to meet with the israeli prime minister just after the dramatic hostage rescue operation in gaza. and a key number of his war cabinet resigns and now the us is calling for a new un security council vote and back-to-back shark attacks does miles apart part off the coast of florida officials are now issuing a warning because of it. i m kate bolduan. would john berman, sarah sayyed is out. this is cnn news central morning something no former president has ever done donald trump will sit for a pre-sentencing interview with this probation officer. this interview will be part of the report the probation department will submit to judge juan were shot ahead of trump s sentencing on july 11, and for normal defendants it could be a significant factor in determining whether there will be present time. of course, donald trump is not a normal defendant. will this now cnn, chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst john miller jaume, we ve got some new information about how this will be similar and different to other meetings like this. so the normal process is that the probation officer sits with the defendant and in some cases, in this case, the defendant s lawyer and they go through a tick list. it s what is your home situation? du you live in a stable environment? do you have employment? can you get employment? are you suffering from any drug addiction? what is your criminal background as it violent in this case, donald trump is going to be different from a lot of defendants. in fact, the vast majority he lives in a triplex at the top of a building with his name on it. he has no criminal record. and yet like any other defendants, he does have multiple other open felony cases but as far as employment, drugs, and so on the question that they re trying to resolve at the probation department as a couple of things, but key to it is is he a good candidate for the community corrections environment in english, that means the prison correction environment, or being on probation without going to jail, but having to accept the conditions of probation. now, a lawyer present in bys zoo this will not be in-person and todd blanche will be there with donald trump. how unusual is that? is that what joe schmo, defendant normally gets? joe schmo defendant usually it comes down to see the probation officer, their probation officer wants to get a look at him or her, get a sense of that. but during covid, the system had to keep going. so virtual probation interviews became a thing. and this makes sense because he s in another city. you said probation here. what would probation exactly mean for donald trump so probation is if you are convicted of a crime and they say we re not going to incarcerate you, but we need to check up on you to make sure you re not going to re-offend or you re not re-offending parole is when you go to jail and they let you out early and they check on you after the fact. so this is an interesting thing. the manhattan district attorney, alvin bragg went to a lot of trouble to bring this case and to get this conviction. and he said in his controversial day one memo that he wants less people to go to jail especially in non and violent crimes, but he didn t single out white-collar crimes. so we don t know what they re going to ask for. and then very finally, john, this meeting will happen today well, we hear what comes out of it or how will we know what comes out of it? so technically we shouldn t hear what comes out of it the psr or the pre-sentencing report goes from the new york city department of probation to that state supreme court judge juan merchan. and it is to help him as he decides on the sentence, whether it s in jail or prison, or whether it s on probation. didn t what those conditions should be if it s probation, donald trump will probably have to check in with a probation officer once a month. sometimes once a week. he sounds more like a once a month candidate. and make sure he doesn t get arrested again, that s days out of trouble. john miller and education as always, thanks so much for being here this wall civics lesson really is no. i mean, all this stuff is new to me. donald trump will learn a lot about it today, no doubt, it s good that you don t know about. i appreciate that. so far yet, but the things john miller doesn t know. so we ll hunter biden, take the stand or are we now just hours away from closing arguments very soon, you could have that answer as hunter biden s trial gets back underway in delaware next hour, the president s don is facing multiple charges related to a 2018 drug purchase. he has pleaded not guilty. so where did things go now after what end? the week with the week ending last week with very dramatic and emotional testimony. marshall cohen is outside court for us. how soon do you expect to have that answer of where this really is headed and how fast march kate good morning. we should find out pretty soon because the proceedings resume here in wilmington, delaware at 8:10 and am just about one hour from now. and one of the first items on the agenda is to have an answer from the defense. they told the judge that they want wanted to take the weekend to think this over, figure out the final contours of their strategy. if hunter is going to take the stand in his own defense, or if they re going to rest their case to move on to closing arguments. now why might they want to do that? we ve always said it s unlikely and it would be incredibly risky. but before the trial, they said then some of their court filings that one of the things that they would want him to tell the jury if he decided to testify in his own defense was that he has been cleaned sober, and law abiding since 2019. kate, the jury is heard so much testimony about his rampant drug abuse, really painting him anyway sorry struggling and negative light they said, if he did testify, he would want to convey to the jurors directly that he s been cleaned for several years now, but of course, if he did testify, prosecutors could grill him and they said in filings that they would probably want to bring up his discharge from the navy ten years ago after a positive drug test and that they might try to attack his credibility by bringing up that in their view, he not only light on this gun for him, but he s also lied on his taxes. so a huge decision, it would be a risky move. we should find out in about one hour so then add it all up with the caveat of it s uncertain what we re going to hear right when court picks back up, but how soon could the jury have this case well, if he doesn t testify, then it s time for closing arguments. both sides will be able to give their final push to the jury on why they think they should get a conviction or an acquittal, then there s jury instructions as well from the judge educating the jurors, instructing them on the laws in this case. the elements of the alleged crimes and how they should conduct their deliberations. now, one of the things that the defense wants the judge to instruct the jury you re about today during those instructions, is what they call their theory of the case. the simplest, most straightforward reason why in their view, this trial should to end with three not guilty verdicts. and they told the judge that she should instruct the jury that hunter biden, quote, did not believe that he was either a drug user or addict at that time when he bought the gun and when he possessed the gun, they ve said all along that if he did not know, he was a drug addict, if he did not no, he was a user than he cannot be convicted of these crimes. so it could happen today, kate, it very likely will and i ll pick back up an hour from now. thank you, marshall. appreciate the reporting. still ahead for us secretary of state back in the middle east and about to meet with israeli prime minister prime minister now facing a new reality after that dramatic hostage rescue operation in gaza is quickly followed by a key resignation from his war cabinet. the test now for blinken ahead as we learn new details about that rescue operation. plus nvidia is one of the hottest stocks of the year of 144%. and now the major change hitting today the market s about to open and they ve woken a monster that is the new reaction from caitlin clark after learning, she will not be playing on the us olympic team in the most anticipated moment of this election. and the stakes couldn t the higher the president and the former president s one stage moderated by jake tapper and dana bash, the cnn presidential debates 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liebermann live in tel aviv this morning. what a tumultuous few days there aren t john, this was such a celebratory moment and it s still is after a major operation to rescue four israeli hostages from a densely populated area in gaza. but the israeli government itself is already fractured following that with prime minister benjamin netanyahu trying to thank gone to one of his war cabinet members who just quit the government hospital in central israel. they hug does if there was no tomorrow because for so long they feared there wouldn t be four israeli hostages were rescued from gaza in israeli operation on saturday after eight months of captivity among the rescued, one of the most well-known hostages, noa argamani, were united with her father here video from october 7 showed her pleading. were held as kidnappers drove her into gaza and you d like a shield that s her father. thanked he israeli military for the rest. but reunions like this remain all too rare. this is only the third successful israeli rescue operation since the war began. while elite media reunited with her son, almog, one day before her birthday yes. still androids and 20 hostages in gaza and this will be want a deal. now the daring daytime operation in the new sayyed refugee camp in central gaza lifted the spirits of a nation but unity was fleeting as anti-government protests demanded a deal to secure the release of the remaining hostages, and a ceasefire saudi on sunday war cabinet member benny gantz resigned from the government, accusing prime minister benjamin netanyahu of slow walking the war for his own political gain netanyahu vowed to keep pushing towards total victory over hamas the cost of which was once again apparent witnesses in gaza describe israel s operation as hell on earth inside a dense residential area with the crowds of mid-day positive juno an increasing bombardment started hitting everywhere something we never witnessed before maybe 150 rockets fell and less than ten minutes palestinians rushed the wounded to ambulances in this disturbing video, many, including women and children, bore the horrific scars of heavy bombardment. i ll aqsa martyrs hospital quickly filled with the injured, the dead next were eating people s remains. we pulled out six martyrs, all torn up. children and women the operation drew swift and severe international condemnation and hamas called it a massacre. the palestinian ministry of health in gaza says more than 270 were killed in the israeli strikes. 700 wounded which would make it one of the deadliest days for gaza in months. the idf disputes those numbers, saying it estimated the number of casualties was less than 100. cnn cannot independently verify these figures on sunday, national security adviser jake sullivan told cnn s dana bash that innocent people were tragically killed in this operation he called on hamas to accept a ceasefire. that s on the table right now. and the best way to end this war is for hamas to say yes to the deal president biden announced and that israel has accepted what s unclear now is how easy it is to accept this deal from israel sayyed with guns, quitting the government netanyahu has even more pressure from his far-right coalition partners who have threatened the dissolve the government if he accepts the ceasefire deal. so this is not at all an easy path forward as blinken expected to arrive here later on today, john. yeah, it will be interesting to see the impact of the hostage rescue combined with benny gantz leaving the war cabinet. the impact that will have on negotiating oren liebermann. terrific new details in that report. thank you so much so temperatures, so hot they could kill you, were millions of americans need to be extremely careful today and then a catastrophic failure that is what officials say after a large chunk of one of the country s most beautiful highways cracked and then collapsed in a landslide if you have chronic kidney disease, you can reduce the 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county officials said, what happened is both tragic and terrifying, but historically, shark attacks are exceedingly rare. they re highly unusual and it s extremely unusual for two to happen in the same afternoon when four miles of one another is the sheriff mentioned we re reaching out to us to speak to subject matter experts as to what may, you know, what may be causing that but golf temperatures, the steering current, whatever that is and you may remember that on may 28, there was another incident and galveston beach where a 19-year-old woman was bitten in her left hand by a shark, but survived as reported by cnn affiliate k prc on sunday, that south walton fire this strict in florida issued a warning on x, say the following. we are guests in the gulf. the post says, we all must accept some amount of risk when entering the water that does not take away from these two ladies whose lives are changed forever, but looking for someone to blame is not the answer. they said over the weekend, walton county officials were flying yellow and purple flags for moderate surf hazards and the precedence of dangerous marine life after what happened there friday, john, back to you. all right. rafael romo following this forest, raphael. thank you very much kate. now for eight months in captivity, four israeli hostages are now back home after a dramatic rescue operation. can saturday. and from ever all of everything we ve seen, it was overwhelming for the families of the four that were rescued. yet there are still believed to be 116 israeli hostages still being held captive in gaza today, meaning so many families are still left waiting one of those families is the family of abbe own abby s an american citizen who lives in israel five of her family were either killed or taken hostage in the hamas attacks two of her family, eight-year-old, carmella dan, and 13-year-old noa dan, you see them there. they were killed 12-year-old arrays and his sisters, 16-year-old. so har they were taken hostage and released in november. their father oh, fair calderon. he s still being held in gaza. an abbe on joins us now. abby, thank you for coming back on we ve talked so many times now in the last eight months, how does it feel today? we re how did it feel even on saturday getting the news that the four hostages were rescued and back safely and israel it was super emotional we were we were out. were outdoors with friends and family and we heard the news. and literally she started crying it s it was unmatched. it s unbelievable almost that it was real. and we thought for a second it was a rumor. and then we got confirmation and i think we just cried for hours because as much as we want the 116 for everyone s be home to know that for families will hold again, was amazing it s also now been eight months that ofer has been held hostage what is the latest, if anything, have you heard anything is he still believed to be alive he s believed to be alive. we are fighting to bring them home alive. look, last week was an emotional week it started off with four hostages being declared dead. three of them, amir, i m cooper, chaim peri, yoram metzger, from your odds and so it continues to be a living trauma for sauron areas for their mother, for all of our extended family to know that the people that are there or not safe, that every single day, every minute, every hour, it s urgent that we get an out of it. we get them home and seeing those four people, three of whom we ve seen in a video, alive to know that they were killed in captivity only makes this more urgent. and the fight for over more do allow yourself to feel disappointment when your heart also verse for joy for those families, just the pain of knowing that affairs was not among the four this time, how how do you deal with those feelings? it was it was this really intense moment because they said, it s no argamani and three men and i was like i just, you know, my whole body expanded and i was i was shocked because men are not the category of people that would be coming out in some sort of agreement. and so it was really, really surprising and ultimately you feel joy and happiness for anyone that comes out because it is in nightmare. it is a nightmare of eight months of 248 days for every single family member for the hostages, for anyone involved in this conflict. and we just know that if a hostages would be released, that any any of the challenges of this conflict would immediately be deflated. and that s our goal, is to make sure that every single one of them come home. and that this conflict ends you have made the point. i ve looked back at our conversations. i mean, you ve made the point in every conversation that we ve had to say that you don t want to see any deaths anymore, whether it be on the side of israel or amongst the people in gaza and how does that feel today okay. everything is devastating and heartbreaking. i have never in my life as an american or someone that lived in israel for the last decade i ve never lived through a war on the soil where i reside. and to know what happened, turn october 7, and to think about and appropriate response, there s no such thing but to know that the terror to happen them seventh or any of the deaths that have happened since are all unnecessary. there has to be a different way. and i just know the first step toward that solution is bringing the hostages home. i mean, i mourn every single leinz. there s no question. and i wish that our leaders, both in israel and the united states and around the world with steph, up even higher than they are now, and figure out a way to end this. this is something that cannot continue. now for family members, not for the rest of the world, not for the people who are suffering on the ground gaza, but the hostages and palestinians, it has to end president biden s national security adviser was asked what impact he thinks this rescue operations saturday will have on what we re talking about on the ceasefire negotiations with hamas. let me play for you. what jake sullivan said yesterday, api it s really hard to say, right now. it s hard to say how hamas will process this particular operation and what it will do to its determination about whether it will say yes or not. we have not gotten a formal answer from hamas i set this time even before the bigger impact on overall negotiations. i mean, just what does your gut tell you that you think that the rescue operation of these four hostages from the hands-off hamas will mean for oh, fair i hope if he hears that he feels some sort of hope that his army and its country are fighting for him but i truly believe that there has to be a negotiated agreement because this was a dangerous operation, because soldiers, for the hostages, and for anyone in the acidity. and we don t want to see more death. we want to see the 116 brought home with the minimum amount of death that s that s everyone s goal. they were taken from a party from their beds, from their homes. these are innocent civilians that should be brought home and the pressure in my opinion, needs to be on hamas to release them because if that pressure is big enough, then we get to a place where we can negotiate an agreement i feel so much joy that these four people are home, but i don t believe that putting our soldiers and hostages and other civilians in harm s way is a it s the best the best self forward abby. thank you so much. i m so thankful to see you again and i look forward to the de that we re talking about, the return of all fair thank you so much for coming on. it s going to happen thank you so much, john wright new comments this morning from caitlin clark, the star wnba rookie speaking for the first time after learning, she is not on the roster of the us olympic team competing in paris. cnn s coy wire is with us this morning. this was surprising. i think to people who maybe have just been introduced to the wnba this year yeah, john, there s no doubt about it. there are very strong opinions on both sides of this debate of whether or not caitlin clark should have made team usa for women s hoops many say it s a missed opportunity. the indiana fever phenom has helped shatter viewership and attendance records dating all the way back to her iowa hawkeyes college days. and now in, the, w, she s currently top 15 in the wnba and scoring nearly 17 points per game. she s coming off her best game as a pro scoring 30 points on friday. now, many others are saying that it s completely justifiable that she is not on this projected roster. take a look at this roster of four the 12th players have no previous olympic experience of those for each of them, or at least to time wnba all-stars, none of these players on this projected roster are under the age of 26. clark still just 22, says that being left off of this roster will only make her better listen yeah, they called me and let me know before everything came out, which was really respectful of them and i appreciated that they the same for ever go that made the team for every girl that didn t make the team. yeah, there s a lot of players in an olympic pool, so it wasn t like i was only when they had to call that a mccloud few calls. honestly, no disappointment. i think it just gives you something to work for you. it s a dream, you know, hopefully we can be there think it s just a little more motivation do you remember that? and, you know, hopefully in four years before you comes back around you and i can be there. she got the call on the bus and she texts me to let me know and i just tried to keep our spirits. i mean, the thing she said was, hey coach, they woke a monster, which i thought was awesome. they woke a monster john love that line of a us women are seeking an eighth straight gold at the olympics dating back to 1996, the olympics or just 46 days away, and other basketball news, john berman, celtics are to know nba finals against the dallas mavericks. i m convinced 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changing the fabric of our country. they are destroying our country in nevada is being turned into a dumping ground and you are the whole country she is being turned into a an absolute dumping ground. the illegal immigrants are turning and they re turning at a level that nobody s ever seen before. they re fighting. our families that some of donald trump s message to supporters at an nevada campaign rally yesterday. trump campaign has high hopes for the state that joe biden won and 2020 from the stage, trump focused on slamming biden s new executive action on border security, and he launched his own latino americans for trump coalition. there s also new cnn reporting that president joe biden is considering following his recent border move with a second move on immigration that could protect some undocumented spouses of us citizens from deportation cnn, steve contorno, arlette saenz, both working different angles of this for us. so steve, what more did you hear from donald trump yesterday well, it was a continued attack kate on joe biden s record and that has been central to his outreach to latino voters in black voters and other voters of color. essentially, that your life under trump presidency was better than it has been under joe biden. that is the central case that he is making to voters of, of every shot stripe and it s coming even as you hear that that dark rhetoric about immigration, trump is promising to deport millions of americans. and one of the largest deportation operations in the country s history, if he wins and yet he. is polling suggests that he continues to make headway with latino, spanish-speaking voters four years ago, joe biden won latino voters, handle these 65% of those voters, one for joe biden, trump just got 32%. now, you re seeing almost parody not only nationally, but he s battleground states like nevada and trump also did make a promise that will certainly affect a lot of latino workers who work in the culinary industry. he made a promise about what he would do with tipped wages if he wins. take a listen when i get to office, we are going to not charge taxes on tips, people making we re gonna do that right away. first taking office because it s been a point of contention for years and years and years. and you do a great job of service, should take care of people now, the culinary union that represents nevada workers are very powerful union put out a statement blasting this proposal. they said quotes nevada workers are smart enough to know the difference between real solutions while campaign promises of a convicted felon, kate that s quite a statement coming from the union right there. steve arlette, what are you learning then about this new reporting on another immigration move potentially by president biden okay. sources have told cnn that the biden administration is considering a new step that could potentially offer legal status to undocumented immigrants who are married to us citizens, officials are looking at an existing authority called parole in place, which would shield the certain groups of undocumented immigrants from deportation and allow them to stay in the country and worked at legally while some of them would be able to seek citizenship, it s expected that this could impact about 750,000 to 800,000 undocumented immigrants at this moment. and it comes as it could potentially appeal to latino voters in states like nevada, arizona, and georgia. but this also comes as the administration is trying to shore up support, not just with latinos, but also progressives and immigration advocates. many groups access frustration with president biden s executive action last week that essentially shut off the asylum process for undocumented immigrants are who are coming to the country illegally when a certain daily threshold hold is met, you ve heard progressives who said that that is similar to policies that were adopted adopted during the trump era, and groups like the aclu have threatened to sue the admin ministration to try to stop this over the weekend, a homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas defended the administration s moves. take a listen but i respectfully disagree with the aclu. i anticipate they will sue us. we stand by the legality of what we have done. we stand by the value proposition. it s not only a matter of securing the border, martha, we have a humanitarian obligation to keep vulnerable people out of the hands of exploitative smugglers now it all comes as president biden is really trying to address a politically vexing issue increasingly, immigration, border security has risen in the list of concerns for voters heading into 2024, you take a look at polling at many believed that trump has would have better policies than biden. but at the same time, the president is i m also trying to shore up with key parts of his constituency, constituencies are heading into that november election. are let thank you so much, steve contorno. thank you as well. john wright with us now, senior spokesperson and adviser to the biden campaign aide or an l rod. thank you so much for being with us. this proposal reported proposal out there to provide some kind of legal status for the undocumented spouses of us citizens. what would that be designed to do? who would that be designed to help? yeah well john i certainly don t want to get into the front of the white house s announcement on this. but what i will say is the following, president biden is how to take matters into his own hands. is president, because congress failed to act. the most historic bipartisan piece of legislation that we have seen in front of congress in over a decade was stopped because maga republicans list sent to their leader, donald trump, who said, i don t want to give joe biden president joe biden, uh, when i don t want to give him a political victory during a 2024 presidential campaign year so president biden has had to take matters into his own hands by issuing executive actions that will will, will, will improve the situation at the border because congress failed to act and congress failed to act again, not because of democrats, but because of maga, republicans. how does providing a legal status for undocumented spouses of us citizens? how does that help people help the situation at the border well, again, i don t want to get in front of the white house on this, but i what i will say is that it s important that the president shall leadership on this, which is what president biden is doing. you see donald trump on the campaign turnout, tell talking about the border, talking about the crisis at the border, blaming democrats when really democrats are the ones john, who want to get something done, where are the ones who worked with republicans across the aisle to negotiate a historic deal that republicans immediately shot down in congress could have easily pass both chambers. they wouldn t let it pass because donald trump said to speaker johnson and other republicans in congress, i don t want to give joe biden to win this cycle. so president biden is doing what he can. he s using every lever his disposal, which of course is, you know, john, when you re the president united states, you can do a lot, but you are somewhat limited in terms of what you can do without congress acting. so it s very important that president biden, you do what he can in the executive branch, but he also hopes that congress will act hello, to play some sound from before. one of donald trump s events in nevada yesterday. in its rhetoric from marjorie taylor greene and another republican supporter. and it s the type of thing that we have heard on the trail recently, which is almost messianic rhetoric concerning donald trump. listen to this oh president trump as a convicted felon what you want to know, something the man that i worship is also a convicted felon and he was murdered on a roman cross is sensitive park to worship and bring back the grid is present we ve ever known in our generation so what do you think when you hear rhetoric like that i don t even know what to think, john, i mean, look, i i m not going to speak for the american people, but i think that rhetoric speaks for itself. and what our focus is, john, on this campaign is made make sure that every single voter understands the contrast understands what is at stake that donald trump and his maga allies are focused on seeking revenge and retribution. they are running a negative campaign that is not focused on the american people, but it s focused on themselves. we are making sure that the american people understand that president joe biden in this fighting for them. he wants to continue his policies of lowering costs for families lowering prescription drug costs continuing his agenda of economic freedom. whereas are republicans are focusing, focusing on themselves and donald trump has made it very clear that if he steps back into the white house, he will rule as a dictator on day one. he will seek, you will use the white house to seek political are the engine retribution on his political enemies? he is said, things that, you know, he s, he s praised the third reich. he s used racist rhetoric at every chance that he has. president biden has delivered for the american people 15 million jobs record unemployment growth when it comes to latinos, in particular, at one point, john, when president donald trump was an office, there was 47% unemployment among latinos. joe biden has created over 4.8 million jobs for latinos. we want to make sure that every single voter, all latino voters, understand what s at stake and what president biden has delivered for them? adrian elrod, appreciate you being with us morning. thank you okay. more than 20 million people from california to arizona could be seeing triple digit or near triple-digit heat. let s get over to cnn s derek van dam tracking this one for us. derek, what are you looking at? yeah. kate, 30 is coming out of phoenix arizona warning that the high risk of heat stress or heat-related illness is present here in the city today, if you don t have access to adequate cooling or adequate hydration as well, they ve had 14 consecutive days where the mercury in the thermometer has climbed above one in hundred degrees and we have no relief really insight, especially this week, 20 million americans under some sort of heat alert, including heat warnings for vegas, sin city. it is sisley and their 11 consecutive days with temperatures above 100 degrees. this is the warmest start in the month of june for n
brian: it s 8:00 on the east coast, monday, june 10. this is fox and friends . take a look together, joe biden s siblings, we don t do that. just stare at us, if you don t mind. i didn t memorize, roll it back. steve: valerie and james biden. brian: valerie and james biden are outside the courthouse. steve: ragingul about, watch this, shocking video captures moment a bull goes out of control, what is the bug doing in the crowd. lawrence: okay. lawrence: one final tour, teaming up as foreigner is ducted into the rock-and-roll hall of fame, they will joan us just ahead. ainsley: final hour sta starting steve: hunter biden live going into court in 15 know minutes. whether or not he will take the stand. show of support for hunter, his father s brother james is there and hpresident s sister valerie is there. ainsley: do you think he will take the standpoint? brian: i think he will, he walked into there press conference. lawrence: correct me if i m wrong, brian, james biden not only his uncle, he is his business partner. brian: yes, who is accused of lying. ainsley: he would have to take cross-examination. steve: it would be brutal. brian: open the laptop. rick, what are we see something we are waiting on the arrivals, it is black s.u.v.s, defendant, hunter biden, his aunt and uncle, and we re waiting to see if first lady jill biden will be here. president biden is scheduled to be back in the white house this afternoon. we are anticipating jill biden will be here. only time she has not been at the trial is when she went to france for did sheing-day commemorations. we will find out if hunter will take the stand. we could get jury deliberation by this afternoon. if he does testify, there will be rebuttal. prosecutor is using text messages, hunter s audio book and testimony including his exwife and his ex-girlfriend. he swore on a form he was not a drug user. a conviction carries a fine and prison time. none of them saw him use crack in 2017, the month he bought the firearm. prosecutors introduced laptop into question. it did not appear to be tampered with. they are due in court in 12 minutes and we ll see who the defense will call, including hunter biden. lawrence: rich, i want to be clear on the reporting with amount of principles guarded by secret service. there is no chance of the president being there today, only the first lady? we don t have an indication that the president will be here. we are watch ing out to see if e will join. it has only been the first lady. we re watching that entrance. steve: bring in fox and friends news contributor and independent counsel sol wise wisenberg. good morning. good morning to you. steve: the big question, when thigh start things off in 10 minutes, should hunter biden take the stand in his own defense? could he undo all the bad stuff his family has said about him? conceivably, could he? i guess so. i wouldn t put him on the stand. if you re trying to play to a juror who might beic sympatheti to the president and his son, there is evidence of that. main reason i wouldn t put it on, we ve seen what happened when you mutt him on. i think his team in front of the senate was a disaster. we know that won t go anywhere, but i don t think he did well. i don t think all of the partly cloudy r and hijinx he pulled, i don t think that went over well and i don t think abbe lowell wanted to do that, i think that was client driven. a ainsley: can t you be sympathetic and still think he s guilty? listen to witness testimony, his own memoir, he admits he was addicted at the time filling out that form. yes. if jurors listen to instructions, they are not supposed to let sympathy o overtake the evidence. you are in biden country and this family is popular and a lot of people have kids who suffer with addiction, there is always possibility you will have somebody who engages the jury nullification and have a much more favorable jury pool in delaware than former president trump did in manhattan. brian: say hunter, they do not put him on, what do you say? it is not his x in the box? not him in the laptop? it is and a witness says it was. this seems to be tough for defense to marshal any type of argument . you would think so, there is a motion every defense files, rule 29 motion for acquittal that says the government has not proven its case. it is almost always denied. abbe lowell filed three on behalf of hunter and there will be a fight over jury instructions. argument will be, you showed he used drugs before, you showed he used drugs after, he had just gotten out of detox, what evidence he was using or addicted to drugs and thought he was when he filled out that form. it may sound ridiculous, abbe is inventsive, they are trying to give a hook to the juror to say, look, they have not proven their case. lawrence: i m curious with all the family in the courtroom, you have been on special co counsel, u.s. attorney ashes pointed by trump and you were not in the criminal case, what does it look like to you when all the family members being in delaware with that name and that political weight, is that bad or good for the prosecution? oh, i think they d rather be in another jurisdiction. i don t think that is great for them. but they have a strong case. what i would be worried about if i m on the prosecution team, if you get a conviction, will it st stand up because of the whole diversion agreement and whether or not that should have been in effect, whether or not the government breached that agreement. that is real issue on appeal. steve: if he does not testify today, court could start deli delinquent delinquent / / deliberating later today. lawrence: there is the first lady. steve: don t see the president with her, they probably have traveled together. thank you. now they re in and now apparently abbe lowell was going to think whether or not hunter would testify over the weekend and they ll talk about that in court. he was going to notify david weiss if he was going to testify. lawrence: what about today is different to have so many family members in the courtroom today? that is all speculation, there is way more family members today in the courtroom versus any other time. steve: if he does not testify, it is time for closings arguments and abbe lowell will say, look at his loving family. that is last thing they will see before they go in deliberating. lawrence: many he wrote about. brian: and the book on tape so he can t deny it. lawrence: former president donald trump hitting vegas to hold his first campaign rally since his new york tradition. steve: mr. trump looking to build support in nevada with the primary set for tomorrow. ainsley: and madeleine rivera joins us now. madeleine: after lucrative swing in california, former president trump went to vegas and rallied voters and heard trump take shots at his conviction. when he indicted me over nothing, they opened a whole new box and i got indicted again and again, never been indicted like, i was like a ping-pong ball. happenings madeleine: fox news poll shows trump beating biden in the silver state in a head-to-head match up. he made news by saying he won t charge taxes on tips, that is massive for the industry in vegas. he did not mention on stage, trump went on x to support sam brown, a fearless american patriot who has grit and courage to take on enemies both foreign and domestic, biden campaign reelection, politico reports changing course from reengaging black voters to the border to quell concern regarding his reelection prospect. they said the ramp up was long planned. steve: thank you. brian: what a three days president had. goes to silicon valley and gets 12 million and huge capacity crowd in newport beach and does this in nevada, has to be a big lift to see the crowds and the money. he trails joe biden in total cash by 36 million. he s in the game now and has ability to build infrastructure in battleground states. i don t think it is there yet. steve: something he did yesterday, injected issue of taxes in the debate. who thinks their taxes are too low? nobody. ainsley: especially for that group, service strae in nevada. lawrence: been hit hard. steve: he would like to eliminate taxes on tips, he would have to do it through congress. mr. trump would need a republican congress and he can get stuff done. 2017 tax cuts lawrence: that will be up. steve: has to happen in congress. republicans have one idea and democrats have ainsley: democrats might want to say, we tried to reduce your tachs and don t want you to pay, you barely make enough money as is. we will not charge tach on tips. lawrence: problem democrats are going to have, that tabs cut combaf most americans a tax cut. they want to tax the rich. they would have to reverse the bill. what i find refreshing, having a candidate for president willing to talks about policy. there has been talk about the border and what heun was to do and talk when it comes to taxes and foreign policy perspective where he stands and what will happen. you don t get that from joe biden. you get papers from the white house staff and hear stuff every wons in a while, but talking off the cuff on what he plans to do and push the nation forward, you don t hear from joe biden. all you hear is that donald trump is the worst thing yet, he will take america back. you don t hear what he s going to do. ainsley: i like he called it the party of common sense. people say, it is common sense, close the border, you don t want another terrorist attack, you don t want illegals here, we can t afford to pay for our own families. he kept asking are you better off under biden or trump? first time in our lifetime we can compare two presidents that have been president. brian: at benigans they said you have to enter your tips because of reagan. i said, i m not going to. after a while, i entered 0. i don t think tips should be taxed. it is not up to you. you had obligation to pay. no one explained that to me. ainsley: a lot of people lie, $5 $ten, when they take home. brian: zero, none of your business. steve: when you were working at benigans, how many times did people order chicken wings and asked for right wing, not the left. brian: they would scream at me. john tapper would yell at me. ainsley: i would think i m getting punked and feel stupid, is there right and left? steve: there is a right wing and a left wring. lawrence: i love brian con confessed to not paying taxes. brian: i was like 16, none of your business. lawrence: i agree with you, by the way. ainsley: that is why benigans failed, they were paying your tax bill. lawrence: u.s. is calling for un security council to vote. brian: after idf daring rescue over the weekend. trey yingst live from tel aviv. trey: four hostagesress cued from hamas captivity. at a hospital israeli civilians reunited with loved wops. new video reveals what the rescue looked like. intense gun violence and h helicopters take the hostages to safety. one mother explains what she thinks. we are happy to see him. trey: this was day of hope, for palestinians, day of destructionion. nearly 300 people, mostly civilians, were killed. now as we gather more inform algz about what took place during this raid, there was a political shake-up in israel, two members of the israeli resigned from their position in the emergency government. back to you. brian: they want gallant to quit, too, defense minister, will he? right now these two previous members are urging defense minister gallant to step down and try to force prime minister netanyahu into election. we don t have any indication he will agree to that and over the weekend i spoke to a top adviser to gallant who said he is focused on defeating hamas and looking to hezbollah. ainsley: so glad the hostages came home. lawrence: we ve been seeing protests, ceasefire, and now deal is on the table, why won t they tell their friends in hamas to take the deal? hamas said they will not sign the deal and continue to march in the street and say ceasefire. i hope this changes, not as hopeful it will change rhetoric in the street now that the deal is out there. brian: they are trying to pressure hamas higher-ups at qatar to take the bills and joe biden said pressure them and hamas walked away. steve: see how long qatar keeps them in qatar. ca carley joins us with terrible news. carley: america s crime crisis, georgia congressman mike collins revealing a staffer and his friend were robbed over the weekend. both are safe, the suspects did steal a watch. collins adding, our nation s capital has become a war zone because of d.c. government. police believe the vehicle has been involved in several armed robberies across the city. and day three of bob menendez federal corruption trial. a business man claimed he bribed him to protect his friends and family from a similar investigation. menendez is accused of accepting gold bars, cash and a car in re return. couple beaches on florida expand reopened after a woman and two teens were hurt in two separate shark attacks on friday. a woman was so hurst part of her left arm was amputated. less than two hours later, two teenagers were attacked, one is expected to be okay and the other was airlifted to the hospital. pray for swift recovery. four people hurt when a bull broke loose and jumped into a stands during a rodeo in organization. take a look at this video. oh, oh. heads up. oh, my gosh. open the gate, boys. carley: that is crazy. rodeo officials say the bull headed back to the holding pen and leaped over the fence. handlers got things under control. everyone is expected to be okay. i know they have a story to tell they were in the rodeo when that happened. have you ever seen anything like that before? steve: no, never seen a bull jump that high. holy cow. ainsley: pray for the people attacked by the sharks. one girl someone in my bible study knows her family. he bit off her left hand and she had to have her leg amputated and she is in high school. lawrence: we ll be praying for emthis. trump rallies nevada voters as he calls the gop party of common sense. steve: j.d. vance is rumors to be here in person. ainsley: hello, how are you in steve: ask him about that coming up. shine on me. real quick. lord, you know what s on our hearts. you know where we struggle. you know where we need to be pushed. help us give it all to you. the good, the bad. help us turn to you in everything we do. amen. i invite you to join me in more prayer on hallow, stay prayed up if you have generalized myasthenia gravis, picture what life could look like with. vyvgart hytrulo, a subcutaneous injection that takes about 30 to 90 seconds. for one thing, could it mean more time for you? vyvgart hytrulo can improve daily abilities and reduce muscle weakness with a treatment plan that s personalized to you. do not use vyvgart hytrulo if you have a serious allergy to any of its ingredients. it can cause serious allergic reactions like trouble breathing and decrease in blood pressure leading to fainting and allergic reactions such as rashes, swelling under the skin, shortness of breath, and hives. the most common side effects are respiratory and urinary tract infections, headache, and injection site reactions. it may increase the risk of infusion-related reactions and infection. tell your doctor if you have a history of infections or symptoms of an infection. talk to your neurologist about vyvgart hytrulo for gmg and picture your life in motion. your best days of the year start here, at kubota orange days. it s the year s biggest selection of kubota tractors, zero-turn mowers and utility vehicles, including the #1 selling compact tractor in the usa. plus, the year s best deals, like 0% apr for 84 months, or up to $3,300 off select compact tractors. orange goes all day; sale s ending soon. visit your local dealer today. find your nearest dealer at kubotaorangedays.com ( ) ainsley: former president trump rallying thousands in battleground nevada as republicans double down on the question, are you buyer r better off under biden than trump? steve: republican senator from the great state of ohio j.d. vance joins us now. good morning. how surprised are you of the reception the president got in silicon valley? they did not embrace him last time. they have seen four years of the biden administration and compare that to disaster of the biden admip stragz and it is not a comparison. you had people centrist, sitting out and you have donors supporting president trump. way i put this, donors who were involved in silicon valley in a pro-trump way are not big tech, they are little tech, they are starting innovative companies, they don t like the big guys. that is where the republican party is going, prosmall business. brian: david sachs was your contact, how many people were there and could you give idea what it was like in that room. we re trying to digest ai on the fly, the president has to have a policy on this. what was it like? these are leading innovators in that room, couple hundred people, very successful. trump was teeing off a little bit and saying, here is what i worry about with ai. does anybody know about that? bryan: in the meeting? he spoke for 90 minutes and talked about the implications. what media tries to do when joe biden has embarrassing moments, biden and trump both have their difference. it is ridiculous, trump is operating at a different level of energy and intelligence. ainsley: his fund raising his been off the charts since his conviction. in weeks since the conviction they earned small dollars and big dollars. people are pissed off and frustrated joe biden brought war and high inflation and adopt pro promised and delivered something else, not jump has a plan, we saw results and results were better. lawrence: looks like the former president is close to v.p. decision, you say, i m not going to be considered. i just want to be a senator. political insiders say you are closest to the president when it comes from ideology or economics, you like him, you like trump, you are out on social media and speak your mind. would you say you are the obvious pick? i would not say that, it is donald trump s decision, i m glad it is not my decision because there are so many good people. i have not talked to donald trump about it, i am interested in helping him out, if thatten moos i m helping ohio, if he asks me to serve, i would do it. lawrence: are there people on the list that shouldn t be on the list. if you were not considered, would you tell us the people? if there were people on the list i thought scum bags, i would say so. doug, tim scott, marco rubio, they would all make a fine vice president. steve: we heard some have been asked to present documents to be vetted. they have asked for a number of things a number of people have been asked to submit this or that. i don t think everything they have been asked, have you committed a crime? have you lied about this? ainsley: do you feel you are disadvantage if you don t ask him about it and say, you can choose who you want, i d like to be considered. i am sure some are vetting themselves? the vice presidency is important job to help the country, if it comes to me, great. it is not something i m going to lobby for, i don t think that is the right attitude. maybe trump respects that, maybe he doesn t. brian: your foreign policy scares me a bit, are you an ice la ulationist? not at all, be focused on problems directly facing us. i think eastern asia is more presing problem. they have some linkages, with russia, we have to ask the europeans to step up. the new world will look like america focusing on china and europe. brian: can you tell them to step up and lead? 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brian: it just has to happen. carley: he planted the seed. now it may happen. funny is attractive. steve: nobody funnier. brian: funny andic tas his shirt off every movie andex ise men need abs. lawrence: music liege teaming up as foreigners are inducted into the rock-and-roll hall of fame. let s check in with dana perino for what is coming up at top of the hour. steve: she s a fan of foreigner. lawrence: she married a foreigner. dana: good that gutfeld is funny and doesn t take his shirt off. it is a family affair in delaware, president biden s wife, brother and sister show up to support hunter in court. and president trump raises 30 million out wests and makes a big promise. and caitlin clark will not need a passport, she is lflt off the women s olympic team. bill will join me coming up in a few minutes. there are many ways to do things. at old dominion freight line, we do them this way. this way has people who start early. people who care and inspire each other to do things the way they should be done. this way uses technology ( ) and goes the extra mile ( ) to deliver your promises on-time, every time. this way is why we re the number one national ltl carrier for quality. for us, this way is the right way which is why it s the only way we go. choosing a treatment for your chronic migraine - 15 or more headache days a month, each lasting 4 hours or more - can be overwhelming. so, ask your doctor about botox®. botox® prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine before they even start. it s the #1 prescribed branded chronic migraine treatment. so far, more than 5 million botox® treatments have been given to over eight hundred and fifty thousand chronic migraine patients. effects of botox® may spread hours to weeks after injection causing serious symptoms. alert your doctor right away, as difficulty swallowing, speaking, breathing, eye problems, or muscle weakness can be signs of a life-threatening condition. side effects may include allergic reactions, neck and injection site pain, fatigue, and headache. don t receive botox® if there s a skin infection. tell your doctor your medical history, muscle or nerve conditions and medications, including botulinum toxins, as these may increase the risk of serious side effects. in a survey, 92% of current users said they wish they d talked to their doctor and started botox® sooner. so, ask your doctor if botox® is right for you. learn how abbvie could help you save on botox®. steve: they have accomplished a legendary music careers selling tens of millions of albums. for them this feels like the first time. foreigner will finally be inducted into the rock-n-roll hall of fame on october 19th. and they are kicking off their farewell tour this summer with rock band stix for their first show tomorrow in grand rapids, michigan. joining us right now foreigner s lead singer, kelly hanson, screen right. and stix singer and keyboardist lawrence. they join us, you are right in the center. good morning to you. good morning. steve: congratulations making it into the hall of fame. how cool is that for foreigner? i think it s been a long time coming and i think that those original guys who recorded this stuff almost 50 years ago really deserve, you know, to finally get in that place as, you know, many others should be. steve: not only is foreigner going to be in the rock-n-roll hall of fame but kicking of your farewell tour with stix. lawrence, this is not your farewell tour. you haven t going anywhere, right? we re going on tour until we can t go on tour anymore. that s our mission. steve: i remember you guys were both on fox & friends ten years ago when you were announcing that you were going to travel the country together, all summer long and you did and then you stopped. what happened? well, you know, as you can see we ran out of botox. kelly ran out of lip filler and i actually ran out of hair dye around this area here. i looked at pictures of us from ten years ago. not the same people. we re much more vibrant and ready for a morning interview like this because we get up at 6:00 a.m. now. steve: sure you do. the way it works as i understand, as you guys go out across the country and get your tickets at ticketmaster, folks, is one night stix will open and foreigner will close. the next night foreigner will open and stix will close. how will you know? we call it flip-flopping. steve: you ve got a bright future in politics, then, when you are done with this? yeah, maybe, or maybe need some plastic surgery, who knows? you never know. it s usually settled by an arm wrestle. we should mention special guest on the tour is john wait is on first and then foreigner or stix depending on the night and who wins the coin toss. it is lot of hits on stage. i think there are four or five number ones and just a lot of great songs that you certainly will know. four hours of classic rock which is amazing to unfold over the course of 7:00 to 11:00 p.m. steve: we love both of you. the renegades and juke box hero tour kicks off tomorrow in grand rapids. kelly and lawrence, thank you very much and good luck to you. want to make sure everyone goes to live nation or ticketmaster. dana:nd
my guest is the renowned colombian novelist juan gabriel vasquez, who weaves powerful stories out of fact and fiction. is there anything magical about colombia s current reality? juan gabriel vasquez, welcome to hardtalk. thank you for having me. it s a pleasure to have you. now you inhabit two different intellectual worlds. you are a political commentator. it is yourjob to have instant, strong opinions for newspapers. on the other hand, you re also a novelist who writes complex, nuanced novels that are sort of riddled with doubt and uncertainty. which of these two mental attitudes comes more naturally to you? well, i m first and foremost a novelist. iwas. i began writing fiction at a very young age, and it was always my ideal to write the kind of novels that i had grown up with. but in south america, a novelist is also a citizen. and so you develop very quickly the need, the compulsion sometimes, the feeling of obligation to comment on the political reality. so in a sense, there are two different and opposite ethics. erm. you write fiction out of uncertainty and doubts and questions. novels are written to ask questions, not to give answers. but at the same time, you re a political commentator who tries to have certainties, who tries to shed doubts. are you faking it when you come up with those certainties for your columns? no, but there are few. there are very few, very few moments during the week in which you are absolutely sure about something and you write to convince, you write to do a kind of proselytism. you write to try to get answers. interestingly, you dig deep into your home country, colombia, and yet you spent a significant part of your adult life out of colombia. yes. would it be correct in a way to say that you became confident in your voice, you know, exploring your home country once you d left it? yes, yes, ithink that s quite accurate. in a sense, also, i was following a very old latin american tradition of leaving our countries to write about them, to understand them better. this is something that has been happening since, uh. ..since the nicaraguan poet ruben dario lived in paris and madrid in the early 20th century. and then, of course, the generation that i grew up as my role models, the latin american boom, and. and garcia, gabriel garcia marquez. ..garcia marquez, yes. ..perhaps the most famous south american author of our times. yeah, yeah. he belonged to a generation that wrote, that retold the history of our countries from abroad. so we have this very strange situation in south america where the best novel about colombia 100 years of solitude was written in mexico, and the best novel about peru by mario vargas llosa was written in paris, and carlos fuentes, the great mexican novelist, wrote in washington and london. so it is a kind of necessity, perhaps, that we find to, you know, get a little removed from the places that we are discussing. it s interesting to just reflect on garcia marquez, cos. yeah. i know it s become a bit of a cliche, but this this phrase used about his work and, indeed, 100 years of solitude was magical realism . you do something very different. yes. you use a lot of recent history, of facts, and you weave personal stories around those facts, and it s often quite brutal and it s quite violent and difficult. yes. was your writing a deliberate reaction against that sort of quote unquote magical realism ? no, no, my writing isjust the recognition that my world is different. my world view comes from a different place. i was born in a big capital city in the middle of the andes, so 2,600 metres over sea level. whereas garcia marquez was born in a very small town, caribbean town, with a very different culture and outlook. so his demons, his obsessions, his ghosts were quite different from mine. and you were also raised at a time of horrible violence, instability, chaos. yes. ..in your home city, bogota. yeah. i mean, did that. do you reflect on that and think, you know what, i was actually quite traumatised as a kid, as a young adult, by what was happening around me ? yes, well, when i left colombia in 1996, i was 23. i thought i was leaving because i wanted to become a certain kind of writer, and that was the latin american tradition. with time, i understood that i was also fleeing the violence. i was also fleeing a a particular situation. this was the years of drug wars and drug related terrorism. erm. narco traffickers like pablo escobar were at the height of their power as you were a teenager and a young adult. exactly, exactly. napoleon says somewhere that in order to understand a man, you have to understand his world when he was 20. and i turned 20 in 1993, which was the year in which pablo escobar died at the height of his threats to the colombian system. so that s that. do you, do you think, when you reflect on it and of course, i m mindful you were writing in europe about this colombia of corruption, of chaos, of violence do you think you were expressing in a way, a sort of deep fear and anger about what had happened to your homeland? frustration in a sense, but mainly mainly uncertainties, maybe mainly the feeling that the stories that were being told were not complete. i think i write out of a sense of darkness, of shadows in the collective story of my country, and i think of fiction as a way to shed some light, particularly, on that, on that very special place in which the historical meets private lives, in which private individuals, as brothers and sisters and lovers and fathers and siblings, they have. they suffer the consequences of politics and history and those forces that we have never learned quite how to, how to control, but that do change our lives. and this is the territory of our human experience that i try to tell in my novels. you call it fiction, but of course you fill your books with facts, sometimes very personal facts. yes. i mean, i m thinking of one of your most successful novels, the sound of things falling, which involves a plane crash. and in fact, you really did find, i think, the transcript of the recording of the last moments of a plane, which i believe was carrying a family friend, which crashed. that s right, yes. and you very literally took these horrific final moments and wrote about them. yes. you also included some other bizarre facts, like the hippo that escaped from pablo escobar s infamous zoo and which was then hunted down years later. and that was the beginning of your book. so i guess, you know, your audience might be sometimes quite confused about these blurred lines between fact and you re a journalist, so you deal in facts but then fiction, which is where you as a novelist come in. yes, i ve understood with time that in my work. my work always begins with meeting an actual person who has a story that seems to me interesting, or who is hiding something, who has evidently some kind of secrets. and i start asking questions. so i always begin writing as a novel. as a journalist. i m a journalist first, and then, since my novels often deal with the colombian past, with our collective past, i turn into a historian ifind documents, i go into archives, and then the last the last person to come into the process is the novelist. and the novelist s only task is to try to say something that neither the journalist nor the historian has said. but in so doing, you twist and bend the truth. or do you not believe there is such a thing as truth? i do believe there is such a thing as truth. epistemologically i do believe that, but i don t think it s accessible through one story. i don t think one story can.interpret it fully. so you need several stories coming from several parts. and this is particularly true in my country, where we are trying to deal with a recent history of violence. and we are all trying storytellers, journalists, historians, novelists who are trying to open a space in which different stories about these last 50 years coexist, have the right to exist. but if, if your perception that, actually, truth is complex and it requires the understanding of different people s perspectives and memories. yes. ..and they can recollect the same event in very different ways. yes. where does that leave colombia s attempt to reach, you know, what in south africa was known as truth and reconciliation ? is it possible in colombia? that s what we are trying to do. the peace agreements that were passed in 2016, which i think is one of the great successes in the history of my country, these agreements between the colombian government ofjuan manuel santos and the farc guerrilla. yeah, it should be said it was with the farc group, which was the dominant insurgent group. only one of them. ..but there are many other rebel groups who have not made peace and who are not part of that agreement. exactly. but it was the biggest guerrilla, perhaps the oldest one, and the strongest one, certainly. so it was a success story to make peace with this guerrilla movement. now, part of the. part of what the agreements created were two institutions, the commission of truth and the transitional justice tribunals. both of them are, among several other things, in charge of telling stories, opening spaces in which people can come and tell their story, be recognised as victims of violence, or as perpetrators who ask for forgiveness. the victims may or may not forgive, but the most, the most wonderful human situations have been created or allowed by this, by the institutions. and they all go through the same phenomenon of telling stories. but is it really healing wounds, or do those wounds still fester in your country? that s that s a great question. you never know if remembering can be sometimes exciting, new resentments or keeping hatred alive. i do have i do have faith in the power of remembering correctly and accurately the past. carlos fuentes, the mexican novelist, said there is no living future with a dead past, and part of our role, i think, as novelists and storytellers in general, is keeping the past alive, trying to keep it true, keep it honest, so that we can understand it and move forward. ah, i mean, something pretty extraordinary happened in 2022 when the colombian electorate voted into power. yeah. ..president petro, who in a previous life, not so very long ago had been a committed guerrilla fighter in the m 19 group, and now he sits in the presidential palace. but that clearly sticks in the throat of many colombians. and ijust wonder, as you look at your country today, whether you fear that petro, who came to power pledging, total peace with all of the different armed groups in his country. yes. ..whether in fact his presidency is deepening polarisation. well, i m very critical about president petro. i think he is a populist and a demagogue of a very old latin american tradition. but he had this unique opportunity of and this is why i thought his election was good news of implementing the peace agreements of 2016, which had been disregarded or actively sabotaged by the last conservative government of ivan duque. he hasn t. it s not looking so good right now, is it? i mean, as i understand it, of the different armed groups. because he seems to be saying that he wants a, you know, an ultimate peace and a disarming of all the groups, including criminal gangs as well as insurgent rebel groups and paramilitary groups, he wants them all to be in this umbrella of total peace. yes. well, of the 20 or more different armed groups, only about five are currently engaging with the government. yes, and not only that, to me, the bad side of the whole project is that he is taking away from the 2016 agreements, all the attention and the resources and the rhetorical energy of the government. so he is forgetting them, leaving them to die a slow death through inattention, through negligence, concentrating on his own projects. whereas we we looked forward during his election to the first serious implementation of those wonderful agreements that we managed to pass in 2016 after much polarisation. it s not it s not just a question, is it, of the men with guns. it s also the politicians who for decades and decades, at the very least, turned a blind eye and sometimes were actively complicit in the violence, the murder, the chaos and the mayhem in your country. do you think there will be an accounting of those politicians one could say the old political elite in colombia will they be held to account? well, i certainly think they re one of the. one of the main objectives of the peace agreements and the peace negotiations has to be to find the truth, to have people speak the truth and, and accept some kind of truth as the only way for which we. a reconciliation of the country. but there has to be a reconciliation. it s absolutely no use to go through these difficult processes that have divided us and polarised us as a nation. so as you say that and you talk about your hopes for the future of your country i m just looking at my notes where i noted down that right now, opposition leaders in bogota are saying that they have plans to launch national strikes to paralyse the country if petro attempts to establish this talk of a constituent assembly, assembly to bypass parliament and the courts. there s allegations of corruption being bandied around involving close family and associates of petro, including charges that his son is facing of bribery with allegations that it was linked to campaign finance, which of course, he the son and indeed the president himself clearly deny all involvement. but nonetheless, it looks in a way like colombia is sinking back into something very dark and dangerous. i think we are not strangers to a certain kind of dynamics in the whole of the continent. 0ur continent, our continent in south america is being divided into different kinds of populisms right wing populisms such as bolsonaro in brazil some years ago and milei in argentina and the left wing populisms active in nicaragua and venezuela, which are turning their countries into failed democracies. in the middle, we have this negotiation between two kinds of extreme ideas, extreme projects, political projects in colombia. and in the middle there are some looking for a way to create a new political centre of a progressive kind, and this is turning into one of the most difficult things of all. because of the current situation of that tension between what the government of petro is doing, a populist demagogue. on that spectrum of latin american politics with the populism, as you describe it, of both the left and the right where do you see the greatest danger lying for colombia? which way do you believe it might. it s very clear to me that the greatest danger is that petro s government will open the way for a right wing or rather, extreme right wing populism, which is already in the making and gathering force as a reaction to what is going on from the government. that is the most worrying situation for me. underpinning much of the violence in colombia and we ve talked about politics and insurgency but underpinning much of it has been drugs. yes. narco trafficking. yeah. ..and the vast amounts of money and indeed the power that come with controlling the drugs. you have suggested that the only way out of this for a country like colombia is the full legalisation of currently illegal narcotics. yes, for any country, i would think. but particularly. what do you think that would do to colombia? i think drugs are a double problem. you have public order problems linked to the violence and the corruption and the instability created by criminal gangs who try to vie for control of the trade. and on the other hand, you have public health problems linked to consumption of drugs and what that does to. the burden that places on health systems. if you legalise, every experience tells us that legalisation would get rid of the first problem violence, corruption, mafias, criminal gangs are a product of the illegal character of drugs, not of drugs themselves. and we saw that during prohibition in the united states only during prohibition did we have not only alcoholism and private problems, but also mafias and corruption and violence, which are the results of illegality, of the criminal world that is built around the protection of an illegal business. you legalise, you get probably rid of all these things, and you can devote the insane amounts of money that we use in drug wars to prevention and education and treatment of addiction. when you, as a journalist, write about the narco traffickers and the scourge that drugs represents in your country and you write about corruption and the corrosive nature of corruption you re in very dangerous territory. journalists and writers get targeted in colombia. yes. some of them occasionally get killed. do you worry about that? well, this is. this is a trend in the whole of the continent. journalists are being persecuted and imprisoned in venezuela and nicaragua. there are networks closed there. they re being actively persecuted by the government. i m interested in your personal story because we discussed you moving to europe to get a distance where you could write about colombia, but you then moved back in around, i think, around a decade or more ago. 2012, yes. yeah, so you have a presence inside colombia now. do you feel constraints on what you can say? i d rather not think about that maybe. surely, you have to. well, i, uh. i do believe there s a kind of.obligation i have as an intellectual, as an observer, and as a novelist. we have a certain kind of take on colombian life, novelists, and it is it is very difficult to. not to do what albert camus, who is a big figure for me, said it is the role of the journalist to say things are so when you effectively see that things are so, and this is what i try to do. and i know you are friends with many writers around the world, including salman rushdie. when you see what happens to writers who take on, uh, those who don t want their voice to be heard on certain issues, does it make you become more careful about what you say and write? well, salman rushdie is a great example of somebody who has spent the last 30 years defending the freedoms the rest of us take for granted and thriving. i think he is an example of, of courage and of resilience. and it s. for me, it s a source, it s an inspiration and a source of admiration in many senses. and you will continue to write about your country from inside your country? i have never, except for one book, i haven t written a page of fiction that is not obsessively about my country, about trying to understand its violence and trying to, uh, explore it and illuminate it. and as a journalist, i only try to defend our right our right to peace, to have a peaceful country. which is, you know, hopefully in the making, but not there immediately. juan gabriel vasquez, thank you very much forjoining me on hardtalk. it was a pleasure. thank you. hello there. weather for the week ahead is perhaps not the story you want. no significant summer sunshine or warmth, i m afraid. in fact, the story in armagh on sunday really sets the scene just a high of ten degrees. we had cloudy skies with light rain or drizzle with a cool northerly wind as well. now, that rain is sinking its way steadily southwards and it will clear away from eastern england and south east england during monday morning. behind it, this northerly wind and this cooler air source starts to kick in across the country. so a rash of showers, a cold, brisk wind driving those showers in off exposed coasts and drifting their way steadily south across scotland and northern ireland as we go through the morning. here s our cloud and rain still lingering across east yorkshire, lincolnshire first thing in the morning, some heavier bursts that will ease away. best of any brighter skies, perhaps across southern england down to the south west. here, showers should be few and further between. but nevertheless, that wind direction still really digging in right across the country. so sunny spells, scattered showers, a brisk northwesterly wind for many, so temperatures just below par really for this time of year, a maximum of 10 15 degrees for most. we might see highs of 17 or 18 if we get some sunshine across south west england and wales. now, as we move out of monday into tuesday, the low pressure drifts off to scandinavia, high pressure builds. it should start to kill off some of the showers out to the west. but with those clearing skies, well, those temperatures will be below path through the night as well, low single figures for some, quite a chilly start to our tuesday morning. hopefully some sunshine around on tuesday. there will continue to be some showers, most frequent ones running down through central and eastern scotland and england. further west, some brighter skies and once again, highs of 17 degrees, but for many, just a maximum of 10 15 once again. moving out of tuesday into wednesday, winds will fall lighter still for a time, but there s another low pushing in and that will bring some wetter weather to close out the end of the working week. it will gradually start to change the wind direction. so, after a drier day on wednesday, it will turn that little bit milder, but also wetter as we head into the weekend. live from london. this is bbc news. french president emmanuel macron calls a snap election after his alliance is heavily defeated by the far right in a european parliament vote. translation: i decided to put back in your hands the choice of our parliamentary future. in a few moments i will sign the decree convening the legislative election. they will be held on june 30, the first round, and july seven, the second round. the israeli war cabinet minister benny gantz pulls his party out of the israeli government, accusing benjamin netanyahu of making empty promises over the war in gaza. 0n the campaign trail across the uk, the parties begin setting out their manifesto promises this week with the liberal democrats launching their manifesto later this morning. and coming up in business we ll be exploring the rise of swiftonomics as the billionaire pop star s eras tour gets under way in scotland. hello, i m sally bundock. a very warm welcome to the programme. we start in france, and in what s been described as a huge political gamble, the french president emmanuel macron has called a snap parliamentary vote after his alliance suffered a big defeat by the populist right in european union elections. mr macron said he couldn t ignore the result and dissolving parliament was an act of trust in the french people. the national rally party led by marine le pen is on course to win a record 32% of the vote
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cost of war. we didn t have any us forces on the ground. second, we ve been working for months to support israel and its efforts anything that it s an illicit activity, they re going to engage in for a profit. the fbi el paso can confirm that members of brynn have crossed into the united states from london. this is cnn newsroom with max foster hello, and a warm welcome to our viewers, joining us from around the world. and max foster is monday, june the 10th, 9:00 a.m. here in london, 10:00 a.m. in paris brussels, and berlin as europe s starts the week on a shifting political landscape that seems to be moving further and further as well to the right, results are coming in for the next european parliament and far-right parties are projected to win a record number of seats after four days of voting in 27 countries. exit polls show the mainstream center-right european people s party will remain the largest group. european commission chief ursula von der leyen celebrating her party success, whilst acknowledging that extremes on both ends of the spectrum are gaining traction. the center is holding but it is also true that the extremes on the left and on the right have gained support and this is why the result comes with great responsibility for the parties in the center we may differ on individual points but we all have an interest in stability and we all want a strong and effective europe will protesters in paris express their outrage at gains for french right-wing parties, which took more than one in three votes cast according to the official results french president emmanuel macron has dissolved parliament and called snap elections in the coming weeks, johnny s now claire sebastian, we re focusing on france because it s the most dramatic story but if we take the top three mayes, germany, france, and italy whilst the bigger picture is that the center ground held their position in key countries. the right surged, yeah. i mean, obviously particularly dramatically in france where the national rally, which is a big yes, far-right party, took more than 30%, more than double what emmanuel macron s renaissance party took. but the afd in germany, they ll turn to for germany party also was second place. this is a party that has been deemed so far, right. that marine le pen of the national rally actually kicked them out. you can say they re of the id grouping which was already seen as the most the extreme right grouping in the european parliament today. now gained seats in germany and in italy, giorgia meloni s brothers of italy, he had a really strong showing as well. so it is, as you say, these key, these key countries, these key parties that are now really mainstreaming these far-right policies. and in terms of those policies, take a listen to it. marine le pen said in france after this result ready to exercise power if the french justice during these future legislative session, we are ready to rebuild the country, ready to defend the interests of the french, ready to put an end to mass emigration, ready to make the purchasing power of the french a priority? pretty ready to begin the re-industrialize creation of the country. overall, we are ready to rebuild the country, ready to revive friends ready to put an end to mass immigration. no surprise that, that is always been the sort of core focus of the european far-right, as at, as it has been gradually rising over the past years and decades, purchasing power interesting one there. this is of course, an appeal to people in europe who have been suffering under the weight of a cost of living crisis are worried about the cost of policies like the green deal support for ukraine, things like that. so i think this is a real show of where we are, right? we ve seen five years where we ve seen increasingly more europe with this green deal with the joint approach to covid with the solidarity. have ukraine, these parties and are looking not to exit europe like we saw with brexit, but to control europe from within and to reduce its influence over these kinds of, these parts of life. and the most profound immediate impact is this french general election it s not as if macron is gonna be out completely, but he may end up having to deal with a far-right prime minister effectively. and this is just ahead of the olympics. why on earth did he choose to call this election? many people are baffled by it. yeah, i mean, the eyes of the world will be on france at this point. he says that he s looking for clarity, right? he needs to have clarity for the people effectively for the legislature to reflect the will of the people given the strong showing for the far-right, but it s a gamble, right? he wanted to go his way and it leaves a source telling cnn that convinced, convinced, convinced will be the approach in the lead up to the election if it does go his way, he then we ll gain a greater mandate among it for his liberal agenda right now, he has lost the already has absolute majority who s already struggling to get policies through. so in that sense, perhaps it has nothing to lose, but if not, he then has to, perhaps if the far-right gain the most seats in parliament, cohabit with the far far-right prime minister. and then we look ahead. of course, the 2027 when francis having presidential elections, when marine le pen has her sights clearly set on that i think claire. thank you wasn t just emmanuel macron, but faced a stinging rebuke in germany, as claire says, the social democrats of chancellor olaf scholtz score their worst ever result, just 14% that was the moment that the far right party alternative for germany learn the exit polls show it winning 16% of the vote to take second place. they re the party known for its anti-immigrant policies has risen from a fringe group to a huge mainstream presence. now now, let s even do maury is the head of the us and america s program at chatham house joins us from london because lesly a lot of people suggesting that without trump, none of this would have happened well, i think that might be a stretch. i mean, if you really think at the global context which is driving so much of what we re seeing the covid, pandemic, low growth in europe the effects of climate change, the pressure on the energy transition in the aftermath of russia s invasion of ukraine. the far right has been gaining traction for some time in europe. this is clearly at a different level, and there s no doubt as you ve suggested, max, that that donald trump and those around him have worked in insignificant ways below the radar, above the radar to try and give a voice to far-right elements across europe and certainly we ll see this as a success story for the conservative movement to which they re committed. but i think that they, as we ve said with donald trump and with trumpism, there is an argument to be made that trump is a symptom of a number of underlying causes that are leading. many people to suffer much more harshly the effects of those, those constant, those sort of global factors that i ve just outlined. the unequal effects of low growth are significant and the ability of the far-right to displace that frustration onto immigrants, which in fact what we need is a sound immigration policy to help solve some of the problems of labor shortages that europe will face two and the us is obviously needing to think about this instead, we re seeing quite the reverse that even the center is tacking to the right because of the pressure from this far-right s it would strengthen though. donald trump wouldn t it arguably in terms of foreign policy, because lead is like marine plant will lappin would be expected to closer to his alignment. and work more closely with him. and many of the far-right leaders du, identify with a lot of what trump says. so if he becomes president, he would have more allies in europe i think that s right. i think it s clear that donald trump has last i ve said ben a fan of those. he was quietly and sometimes not so quietly supportive of brexit and the far-right in the uk, certainly in europe. but if you look at the broader a european pushing right now, some of it in light of the anticipation of a possible trump election, is to work together to build strategic autonomy and coherence within europe. this will see anything but that right now we re seeing really a pull inwards france is going to be focused very much internally two days before the washington summit, before the native summit in washington, dc france will be admired and in a domestic elections. so the focus internally this will inevitably make it more difficult for europe to think strategically about the possibility of a trump election. but yes, you re absolutely right that for donald trump and those around him, this is a movement that they would like to see a focus more on sovereignty, on nationalism anti-immigration, and especially pushing back against the climate change agenda, oil and gas being absolutely critical to the trump s supporters so that, that movement i think is one that the former president we ll, certainly welcome you ve mentioned environment, you mentioned immigration, one of the key elements of the right-wing campaigns appears to be inflation as well, cost of living and that s appears to be what has tapped into this election. a tapped into people and got them a lot of support, something that the mainstream moderate parties haven t really managed to do. and then this second issue, which was ukraine, which ties into it because of the cost of supporting ukraine. we don t know exactly where trump s stands on ukraine, but where does all that tie together? well, as you rightly pointed out inflation, low growth, stalled growth, the effects of that are highly unequal. we re seeing that even in the united states where the growth has been much stronger when jobs have been a job creation has been very good for the whole. but the effects are still so highly unequal and it s those voters that are suffering the effects not only of the invasion of ukraine, of the sanctions of the so-called poly crisis are our voice finding their voice through leaders that are mobilizing them around and gender that isn t clear will actually deliver for that the benefits that they need to see the question of how you invest in a way that distributes goods more across the whole of society is an absolutely critical when it s one that people on the left are thinking very seriously about. but the right has been much more effective in certain corners at mobile slicing, those voters were simply not seeing the benefit they re experiencing, the hurt of those problems of growth and they re attributing it to the migrants that are coming across the borders they re seeing climate change is increasing their cost of living. so that message has been very powerful and one that europe is struggling with asieh is, is president biden in the united states to communicate a new way of thinking that can really put forward and broad and longer-term agenda very difficult to see those games if you re on the bottom end of the income scale. yeah, let s even geomorphic in london really appreciate time has ever now in the coming hours of probation officer is set to interview donald trump as part of the sentencing phase of his hush money trial. the meeting will be virtual with his attorney present as trump is back on the campaign trail, trump s advisers are eager for him to leave, talk of his legal troubles out of his speeches. but so far, that s not the case. cnn s alayna treene reports former president donald trump in his first campaign rally since being convicted in a manhattan courtroom last week surprisingly, did not talk about that trial specifically during his speech. instead, he spoke about his legal troubles more broadly. he also criticized special counsel jack smith, who was not part of this case referring to him it s a quote, dumb son of a and also claimed that the weaponization of the justice department in this country is worse than what you would find in a third world country. take a listen to how he put it i tell you what. no third world country has weaponization, where they go after political candidates, like we have either this guy can t get elected anything without cheating. the only way he can get elected is to cheat. now, despite that rhetoric, i will tell you that from my conversations with donald trump s campaign, they really do want him to leave this weekslong trial in the past and really begin turning back to a general election and pain message that includes talking about immigration, something he spoke about at length on sunday as well as the economy and crime and he did make one new announcement on sunday. he said that in a second administration of his would eliminate taxes on tips and that s something particularly important to voters here in nevada, especially given in the state s reliance on tourism and transportation. now, just looking ahead, to monday, donald trump is set to have a pre sentencing hearing with a probation officer. now this is pretty routine. following a conviction like his however, what s not normal is that it is going to be virtual will towed. he ll be at his mar-a-lago home with his defense attorney, todd blanche that alayna treene, cnn, las vegas, up next a shakeup inside israel s emergency government after key official says he s quitting the war cabinet, the announcement of blow to israel s prime minister even as he celebrated a rare rescue of hostages, why that operation in gaza is now drawing scrutiny. a reaction from across the globe ahead, how the us national security adviser responded to questions about the death toll in israel s latest operation i m out here telling people how they can say you ve money with experience, you got subscriptions. yeah, netflix, hulu, retrial, forgot to cancel it. they re hoping that actually mean what am i told you that experience has description cancellation we re you can just 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sheltering. it has of course, come under heavy bombardment as we have seen in recent days and weeks. and of course, we ve been hearing from civilians on the ground have described the chaos and carnage which took place afterwards, the heavy bombardment, the lack of anywhere really to escape to for safety, we ve also seen images emerging from the nearby al-aqsa martyrs hospital, as we know, this is a hospital which was already severely overrun given recent airstrikes that we have seen in the area. but again, bodies piled up in these overrun malls. we ve seen casualties being treated on the ground according to some eyewitnesses on the ground, ambulances weren t actually able to get into the area to provide support for those injured because it had been deemed a military zone in that environment had a contingent, of course. this is really stoked concern over really what the actual purpose of this operation is. in terms of the protection of civilians. we ve seen those warnings from world leaders at calling for the israeli military to do more to protect civilians over the course of their military operations, be that targeting hamas are trying to rescue of hostages held captive by hamas in gaza. but again, this is one of the deadliest attacks that we ve seen in recent days and weeks earlier to play into gantz s resignation. it did. he was due to announce his resignation on june the 8th. that was the deadline that was saturday. as a result of the rescue of four israeli hostages, which you ve just been talking about, of course, on the other effects of it, gantz postponed it by a de sunday evening goes before the cameras and announces his resignation interesting, because at the beginning of the war, ganz joined the government. he formed this national unity government because israel, he said, you know, we needed to be united now in this war against hamas. and they form this war cabinet, again, specifically insisted that he be a part of the war cabinet is basically him, defense minister yoav gallant and prime minister netanyahu. there are a couple of observers as well and specifically ensured that the far-right ministers in prime minister netanyahu s governing coalition. we re not in the war cabinet, so all of what we ve seen in the war, the decisions have been made by israel in the actions have been a result of the israeli war cabinet. now gantz has gone from that. we ve already got national security minister itamar ben gvir hey, who never even served in the israeli military, by the way, because his views were considered to be two extremist. he s now clamoring for inclusion in the war cabinet. and i suppose what we ve had until now is that ganz provided an element of cover for netanyahu to say to his right-wing coalition members, look, this is the way that we re doing things because this is our war cabinet. now that cover but has gone. i think that you could see the war cabinet taking decisions which may be gantz would not have approved netanyahu is beholden to the right-wing more than he was quite because he d still has the numbers in the knesset, the parliament, his government is not under threat. his position as prime minister is not right now. the threat, unless his coalition parties leave the government, he s got 64 out of 120 seats and the coalition right now, next election, elections are planned for october 2026, but now, absolutely, he s more beholden than ever to those right-wing members of his government. and i think in addition to the war, the other thing that way of course, paying attention to is the ongoing hostage talks. now we had president biden come out couple of weeks ago with that ceasefire plan, which the americans say israel has already accepted. and the ball is now in hamas has caught israel likely to go forward with a deal that those right-wing minister s have already said would cause them to leave the government, leaving prime minister netanyahu the unpalatable prospect of elections, which opinion polls say that he would lose well, it s one would imagine that given what gantz has been saying that netanyahu is now acting more out of his own personal political self-interest. that that is something that would come into play even more with his peaceful, a peace deal or israeli proposal becomes more right-wing it makes it less likely to be achieved absolutely. and i m sorry, these ongoing attacks that we re seeing targeting areas or we know civilians are sheltering. i m making it more difficult. of course, when it comes to hamas is perspective on those ongoing ceasefire negotiations that s been the warning for some time now from regional leaders who ve been playing a key part in mediating talks between hamas and of course, israeli officials and the united states. we ve heard from egyptian officials just yesterday saying that because latest round of strikes on the nuseirat refugee camp will have a negative impacts on those ongoing discussions. we heard that previously, of course, with regards to the situation in an offer that any sorts of ground operation in rafah would scupper ceasefire negotiations. and what we ve seen, this supposed peace plan put on the table by president biden supposedly with the approval of the israeli government, calling for a peaceful exchange of hostages for palestinian prisoners. clearly, what we ve seen now is released. thankfully of israeli hostages. but at the cost of more than two hundred lives. of course it in gaza. and so that has really put concern four regional leaders, particularly in the middle east, who have been pushing for this piece band, the united states of course. but in more pressure on the israeli government and on hamas to both accept this peace proposal. but if we continue to see these rounds of strikes that we are seeing in gaza, where we aren t seeing these significant civilian casualties as a result, that is likely to suffer any sort of ongoing peace negotiations. and of course, we ve got blinken now traveling to the middle east, meeting with officials in both egypt and of course in israel and of course there is that mounting pressure from the us government, from the biden administration for both sides to come to a lasting agreement but clearly we are not seeing those movements on the ground with regards to any sort of attempt to actually push towards that peace plan. okay. matter, elliott. thank you both very much. us national security adviser says the an enduring ceasefire deal between israel and hamas is the only credible path forward and is calling on hamas to accept the latest proposal. those comments from jake sullivan coming just a day after the israeli military operation that rescued those four hostages from gaza, where officials say scores killed as nauta was saying, sullivan was asked about that during an interview with cnn we didn t have any us forces on the ground. second, we ve been working for months to support israel in its efforts to rescue and recover hostages from gaza. civilians were killed, and that is tragic. it is heartbreaking. i ve said before that the palestinian people are going through hell in this war. their caught in the crossfire hamas hides among civilian infrastructure hides underground, and puts the palestinian people in harm s way. and this whole thing, this whole tragedy could be hoover all the hostages could be home, there could be a ceasefire if hamas would just step up and say yes to the deal that the israelis have accepted in that president biden elaborate did a week ago. so the world should call on hamas to take this deal. the united states will support israel and taking steps to try to rescue hostages who are currently being held in in harm, held by hamas. and we will continue to work with israel to do that, we will also we ll continue to reinforce the point that all of their military operations, including hostage rescue operation, should take every precaution to minimize the amount of civilian harm arm or civilian casualties that is a point 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274 palestinians israel says it estimates the number of casualties from the operation to be under 100 cnn can t independently verify either sides. bigger s former us president donald trump is stepping away from the campaign trail today for a pre-sentencing interview with a probation officer, trump was convicted of falsifying business records in new york as part of a hush money scheme is sentencing is scheduled for july the 11th on to biden s federal gun trial resumes today, but is not yet clear if the president s son will testify in his own defense, hunters accused of having a gun whilst being addicted to crack cocaine and lying on a form about his drug abuse soon as marshall cohen has more president joe biden s son, hunter biden has a huge decision to make. will he testify in his own defense at his criminal trial? that s currently underway in wilmington, delaware. he s facing three felony charges for allegedly lying about his past and continuing drug use in 2018 when he bought a gun, it s against federal law for a drug user or a drug addict to buy a gun or possess a gun in this country. so why might he want to take the stand? because it s a very risky move. there are so many things in his past that the problem prosecutors could throw at him if he s on the stand. well, for his part, the defense attorneys that have been representing hunter throughout this case have said that one of the things they want to make sure that the jury hears, if he does testify is that he can tell them that he has been clean and sober and law abiding since 2019. the jury in this case has heard so much about his rampant and almost unstoppable drug abuse in the years, including when he bought that gun in 2018 18 that s a big part of the prosecution s case. so the defense might try to rebut some of that by telling the jury about his subsequent sobriety and how he was trying to get sober not too long after he bought that gun. now, the prosecutors have said in pretrial court filings that if hunter does testify, they might want to ask him about his discharge from the navy in 2014 because he tested positive for cocaine back then and also they said they might try to undermine his credibility. you might try to impeach his credibility they said, when they charged him, that he loved biden federal background check forums about his drug use. they said in these filings that if he testifies, they might also try to convince the jury that he lied. also about his taxes. they have charged him in a separate federal indictment in california all about his taxes and alleged tax evasion. and the prosecutor said that they may try to bring in some of those allegations into this case. to demonstrate to the jury that in their view, he cannot be trusted on the stand on his tax forms are on a gun form, either so we ll find out monday when the proceedings resume in delaware at 9:00 a.m. eastern we should learn pretty soon. if you ve got going to testify, if he doesn t, then we will probably be heading straight to closing arguments in this historic case. marshall cohen, cnn, washington the governor of, texas says president biden is gaslighting americans with his new action on the southern us border. mr. biden s executive order bars migrants crossing the border illegally from seeking asylum. if that number exceeds a daily average of 2,500. but greg abbott says that policy and now it s less than a week ago, isn t aggressive enough all this new button policy is going to do is to actually attract an invite even more people to cross the border illegally. and you ve seen on videos now, ever since that biden order went into place, there s no slowing down of people crossing the border in fact, is just accelerating. and so this, this is gaslighting less, pardon, as soon expected to follow up on this order with another move, this time focusing on providing legal status to long term undocumented immigrants married to a us citizens us officials say members of venezuela s most notorious gang are taking advantage of southern migration routes and now established in the united states, the trend are gu again, is allegedly running a multistate human trafficking ring attacking police officers and dealing drugs. rafah romo tells us how they entered the country and how law enforcement is trying to counter the threat for the last several years they have terrorized multiple south american countries police so the region see, i ve been a swollen gang known as that in their agua has victimized thousands through extorsion, drug and human trafficking kidnapping, and murder. and now you as law enforcement including customs and border protection and the fbi, say the gang has made their way into the country the fbi, el paso can confirm that members of thread day have crossed into the united states is about a vasa a former venezuelan police officer now living in florida, says he fled his country in large part because the gang had become so powerful, they could kill law enforcement like him with impunity. boza says, a fellow police officer who refused to cooperate with the gang was shot 50 times. its enable you refused and was murdered. he tied his body to a motorcycle and dragged it throughout the san vicente neighborhood to demonstrate the power of the tren de aragua. they have followed the migration russian paths across south america to other countries and have set up criminal groups throughout south america as they follow those paths. and that they appear to have followed the migration north united states. you as border patrol chief jason owens, who has confirmed multiple arrests of our members over the last year, issued a warning in early april after reporting yet another arrest, watch out for this gang, he said, it is the most powerful in venezuela known for murder, drug traffic king six crimes extortion, and other violent acts. the challenge for law enforcement officials is that it s very difficult to know how many members of friendly aragua are already here in the united states. what somebody venezuelan immigrants are telling us here in florida and other states is that they are already beginning to see in there the communities, the same type of criminal activity they fled from in venezuela. will they do have their hands and prostitution contract killing, selling of drugs selling of arms you name it. they just all types of criminal activity that they can engage in. anything that s an illicit activity. they re going to engage in for a profit trend, de, aragua, a violent venezuelan street gang it is operating in the united states. a judge in miami-dade county sit in a hearing that one of two suspects in the murder of a former venezuelan police officer in south florida, allegedly is a member of the gang and more recently, a new york police source told cnn the 19-year-old who allegedly opened fire of two officers there s after they tried to stop them for riding a scooter in the wrong direction. has tattoos associated with the gang illegal yet no 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to ukraine using profits from frozen russian assets $50 billion will become available to ukraine for use in the war with russia. but some details must still be worked out before the deal can be finalized. sources say us president joe biden tried to fast track the process. so an announcement can be made in the g7 communicate this week us officials say the deal would send a message to moscow that it won t outlast international support for ukraine. ukrainian forces say they ve destroyed a state of the russian stealth fighter jet. meanwhile, in a drone attack over the weekend, there are only a few reportedly income that and it was nearly 600 kilometers from the front lines in the war the decades old balloon feud meanwhile, between north and south korea, picking up speed over the weekend, north korea sent dozens of trash balloons into south korean territory. and south korea responded with loudspeaker broadcast. but one south korean politician is urging both countries to stop the quote childish chicken games might valeriia joins us now from sold, we ve had another update as well about a response from north career, i believe max it s right and we were able to confirm through south korea s joint chiefs of staff that they have seen indications that north korea appears to be preparing loudspeakers of their own along the border of the dmz to blair propaganda messages from the northern side to here and the southern side i d, of the dmz. so again, max, if you re just following this whole drama, this is all resulting from dueling balloons from south korea for years, sending slices of life, slices of freedom via balloons to north korea and north korea in recent days responding by calling those deliveries filth and sending trash balloons here to the soul metropolitan area. and in different parts of south korea. so yesterday, we saw south korea respond with loudspeaker propaganda broadcasts for the first time in about six years. and max, it s worth pointing out when we say propaganda broadcasts coming from south korea, we re not talking about old cold war stuff we re talking about a song from bts that played on these huge military loudspeakers emanating from the roofs of these trucks that you re seeing on the screen right there. other k-pop songs. so we re talking about soft power blaring from south korea to north korea also, south korean news reports detailing human rights abuses perpetrated by kim jong un and his regime in north korea. north korea for its part kim yo jong, the sister of the northern leader, saying that this could be a prelude to a very dangerous situation, warning of more consequences. but max earlier last week we were able to speak to the founder of a south korean group. he defected from north korea in 2000 and he justified sending these balloon deliveries north. and what was sent in those deliveries. here s what he told us now, me will one we send money, medicine, facts, truth, and love. but to send filth and trash in return that s an inhumane and barbaric act. so max, a lot of mixed feelings about this. the main opposition leader here in south korea, ej him young, a saying that this is essentially a game of chicken from his point of view. and it could lead to a localized conflict or very absolute worst-case scenario and all-out war that seems to be mu during the points of views of many constituents we, we ve been talking with over the past few days, specifically farmers who live near the dmz, who have said, you know what, we re just trying to live our lives here and we want this all to stop. but in some max, we here at cnn have counted 1110 trash balloons from north korea to south korea everybody living here in seoul just wants it to stop. they ve said that this is getting old really fast, but it s all about the tempo of how this for tat increases, or hopefully slows down over the next few days, max okay. my malaria live in seoul. thank you so much now a bit arrivals india and geopolitics on that in a 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that does it for me today but we have a big show for tomorrow night with guests governor josh shapiro and representative dan goldman. follow us on twitter, tiktok and instagram, and listen to every episode of the show as a podcast for free wherever you get your podcasts. we will see you back here tomorrow night at 8:00 p.m. eastern. much one is coming up on msnbc. much one is coming up on msnbc. on this new power of ayman, what does the departure of benny gantz mean for the war on gaza? also, why are migrant families still being separated at the u.s. border and being left in limbo? i am ayman mohyeldin. let s do it. we begin with an important seismic shakeup in the israeli government. benny gantz, one of the three core members of israel s work cabinet and benjamin netanyahu s top political rival has resigned. in a press conference today he said quote, netanyahu prevents us from moving forward to real victory, and accused his far right coalition of prioritizing political convictions of her work strategy. last month gantz made a public ultimatum, resent a plan for the day after the war in gaza by june 8th or else. it was one of the most visible signs of division within the emergency wartime government. a team of political rivals who had until recently projected unity, but netanyahu has not produced a plan for gaza s future beyond rejecting a two state solution and insisting on israel s long-term security oversight over gaza and the west bank so gantz followed through on his trip to step down, delayed by one day due to the brutal israeli attack to rescue hostages in gaza. today, netanyahu for a second time publicly urged gantz to stay, posting on xcode, israel is in existential war on several fronts. this is not the time to abandon the campaign. with the resignation, israel no longer has a centrist in the work cabinet. it will not immediately sink netanyahu s government but it does mean he now needs the far right members of his coalition now more than ever to stay in power. the national security minister, highly controversial figure, one of israel s most radical nationalists and extremist is demanding a seat in the work cabinet saying he wants the power of his party to be given expression as it has not been until now. gantz was asked today whether his resignation leads the israeli government without any adults in the room. here is what he said. i was privileged to bring to the cabinet room all the experience we have. i know other people are staying . they know what should be done. hopefully they will stick to what should be done and then it will be okay. this is the biggest shakeup to israel s leadership till since october 7th and it comes at a critical moment in the war, comprehensive cease-fire and hostage deal is on the table right now. the world is waiting for a response from hamas but it is not clear if israel will accept terms outlined by biden. there are gaps between the proposal biden described in one s that have been rejected. just weeks from now netanyahu will make his case for what he describes as israel s just word when it comes to speak before the u.s. congress but he must ask, will gantz s departure result in fundamental change for the war in gaza? after all, the problem does not lie singularly with netanyahu but to israel s ideological approach to the palestinian issue broadly speaking. opposition to the palestinian neighborhood is deeply embedded in israeli society. joining me now is the author of the book the end of ambition. ambassador, i will start with you and get your take on this resignation. does this change anything about how israel conducts this war in gaza or talks for a cease-fire and hostage deal? hi and good evening. look, it looks like a drama. it looks like a political earthquake. it is not but it does have the potential to evolve into something very dramatic if mr. gantz s resignation, which according to most of his critics, will was belated by at least five or six months. to a large extent, his influence and decision-making in the cabinet was marginal. his ability to affect change in both the prosecution of the war and in developing and crafting a strategy for postwar gaza was marginal. so much so that he essentially became an enabler. and i think, if you read stephen hook s article on foreign-policy from yesterday, that even the americans got him wrong in terms of the thinking. he is so centrist, even left of center in terms of policy, he s a decent man. there is no malice there. he meant well when he joined the government. it was a time of emergency, but effectively, he enabled netanyahu. he is complicit and an accomplice to every mistake, every strategic flawed assumption this government made. in terms of how this will affect the war, it does not change the fundamental elements, the fundamental parameters of what needs to be done. israel still faces a binary choice. accept the plan or don t accept the plan. it sounds bizarre if you read the headline that he rejects israel s plan. if you read the planus like it s 1994. in that respect, nothing changes as a result of his departure. there was an interesting element in his press conference, a fact that came out that he s calling for new elections in israel this fall but that was somewhat echoed by chuck schumer here a couple weeks ago, senate leader chuck schumer, the highest-ranking semiofficial in american history demanding netanyahu step aside and calling for early elections, as well. first of all, do you see that happening, and what are the chances that the next reiteration of the israeli government does not move further to the right if you do bring in somebody or give more pressure from the outside. there is pressure coming from the outside and from within but netanyahu, even with gantz s decision to leave the government has a solid 64 seat majority so he can stick it out as long as he has the support of the radical right. this is likely to move further to the right. benny gantz had played essentially a marginal role, but now that you have others demanding a seat in the work cabinet that affects it in different ways. it strikes me that if gantz was concerned about the work cabinet it would strike me that he would want to remain in the work cabinet rather than take himself out. if you think they want to resettle the gaza strip, that is an ultimate disaster so it may be that gantz thought he could save himself the fight for another day and improve his political chances but it leads to assault optical a suboptimal outcome for everybody else. there on the cusp of waking up to an israeli government that is more extreme and potentially calling for the full reoccupation of gaza and the displacement perhaps of the palestinians if you do bring in people or give people like itamar ben-gvir even more conduct over the war in the policy. i was perhaps the least optimistic person in washington when it came to a cease-fire anyway. now there is less optimism. there is no basis for an agreement at this point. it seems after all of this terrible bloodshed that the conflict is not yet right for resolution in the secretary of state is going to find the same problems he found on his previous seven trips. ambassador, your thoughts on what america needs to do now? according to the former army officer who resigned, he said america does have a lot of influence over what happens. what do you think america should do now as it sees this israeli government consistently moved to the extreme right with no fundamental change in policy vis-@-vis the palestinians? and president biden s to president biden s credit, he warmed mr. netanyahu when the government was formed, this is an extremist government and then when mr. netanyahu instigated a constitutional coup in january of 2023 it was followed by biden refraining from inviting him to the washington white house for nine full months and then the war broke out so yes, the u.s. has all kinds of leverage that it could use. it shows until now not to use it and i heard your interview with that major, and you made actually you submitted two premises and you are right on both. u.s. both has lovers and chooses not to use them and to a large extent, it lost a lot of its levers because mr. netanyahu has been intransigent and defiant and is actively seeking confrontation with biden. his plan right now is to try and stall and waste time and wait until america is sucked into its election cycle full force around september, then he hopes that mr. trump will be elected. there s no question and there s no doubt about that. what the u.s. needs to do now is one of two things. it needs to do its basic calculus of how much our american interests being threatened here, and that particularly pertains to a possible escalation in lebanon and indirectly or even directly in iran, or pullout, meaning you know, say to mr. netanyahu, do whatever you want but leave us out, which is obviously not a reasonable and realistic option but what the u.s. can do i know we don t have time but with the u.s. can do and has not done until now, is for president biden, not anyone else, not blinken or stolen, but for the president himself to stand up and make a speech differentiating, drawing a clear distinction between israel and mr. netanyahu and talking to israelis and calling netanyahu s bluff if he believes it is indeed a bluff. i don t know. we will have to wait and see if the president is watching this. i know it is very late in israel. thank you so much for staying up for us into the middle of the night. what else would i do it 3:00 a.m. but talk to you? we greatly appreciate it. stephen cook, great to talk to you, as well. next up, why a man dressed as an exterminator started a hateful conspiracy theory that is spreading like wildfire ahead of november s election. then later caitlin clark left off of team usa. was she snubbed? team usa. was she snubbed? hi honey. ahhh.ooh. look, no line at the hot dog stand. yes! only pay for what you need. liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty. i have moderate to severe crohn s disease. now, there s skyrizi. things are looking up, i ve got symptom relief. control of my crohn s means everything to me. control is everything to me. feel significant symptom relief at 4 weeks with skyrizi, including less abdominal pain and fewer bowel movements. skyrizi is the first il-23 inhibitor that can deliver remission ill tell your dou have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine or plan to. liver problems may occur in crohn s disease. now s the time to ask your gastroenterologist how you can take control of your crohn s with skyrizi. control is everything to me. learn how abbvie could help you save. craig here pays too much for verizon wireless. so he sublet half his real estate office. 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how is it these baseless theories are resonating so much with people on the far right driving them to make these online and real- life threats, even things like pizza-gate that we saw several years ago. in many ways, conspiracy theories are defining features of extremist hate groups and one of the things they do that is so important for them is that they offer a bridge of sorts and civil conspiracy theories can reach a much wider audience than those directly involved in extremist hate groups and we saw that on january 6th in terms of the attack on the u.s. capital. we had lots of different folks who ended up showing up by the thousands at the capital that day. you had the problem is, the three presenters, oath keepers, , neo-confederates and lots of folks who are not necessarily affiliated with any groups. one of the things they all had in common is they believed in the conspiracy theory about the stolen election of these kinds of ideas really provide people a special sense that they are aware of things that the average person is not aware of. it provides them with this special knowledge, secretive knowledge, special insight and it really goes along with the idea that extremist groups offer to their adherents, which is that you are part of the special population, special culture, special country, special race, special religion that is different and quite frankly, is superior to other groups. when you look at this record number of anti-lgbtq and white nationalist groups in 2023 numbering 86 and 165 respectively according to the splc, why are these groups, in your opinion, growing so significantly? has there m.o. shifted and having this kind of hatred toward the lgbtq community? that is one of many hot button issues these groups are good at identifying and then targeting and really spending a lot of time directing disinformation toward propaganda and really trying to highlight the supposed dangers or risks that go along with, from their perspective, these hot button issues. immigration has been one for years, as well, and frankly right now, they have at their fingertips some of the most powerful technology in human history in terms of social media platforms, and the problems, you mention the root problems we are really not addressing social media platforms and the lack of regulation around those would certainly be one of them, coupled with national leadership that is helping essentially espouse some of the same ideas using in the case of donald trump, the language of nazi germany. do you think we have adequate legal tools to take on these organizations when you think about, as you are just mentioning, the issues of social media, it obviously rubs up against the issue of free speech in this country and that is always the fine point when you re trying to go after these groups, you almost have to wait until the free speech becomes actionable and they go carry out some kind of attack or potential violence, at which point , it violates the law but up until the point of actually doing something about it, it falls somewhat under free speech. do we have the legal tools the way we have designated foreign terrorist organizations to go after isis and what have you, do we have enough adequate resources and tools to go off there mystic terrorist organizations? i don t think any statute is the answer per se. i do think essentially, utilizing resources that we have, been more aggressive, understanding that arresting and prosecuting is an important, necessary part of it, but obviously not the only part of it, and then of the civil issues you know, in terms of talking about the law, i do think we need some changes in that realm as it relates to social media platforms and being able to hold the more civilly accountable for the material they are publishing and of course that means congressional changes to section 230, and i do think it is clear that social media platforms are not willing to take the kinds of aggressive action that are necessary to essentially cleanup their platforms. all right, it s a pleasure to have you on the program. thank you so much for joining us. i greatly appreciate your insights. next, families are still being separated at the southern border. why? the southern border. why? visionworks. see the difference. 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i think most people hearing about the snow would still be shocked that this policy is still happening in this country. i think part of what we are seeing is a situation where policy does incentivize family separation, and that is true not just on u.s. soil, but at the u.s.-mexico border, as well. when you think about even the new executive order which exempts unaccompanied children, what that means is a family fleeing for their lives faces the impossible choice of either allowing their children to travel unaccompanied across the border so that they can reach safety, or to remain in mexico, where obviously, families have experienced assault and far worse. in terms of the specific case you are describing i think this is where there is still some confusion in how policies are being implemented. we care for unaccompanied children and obviously it is horrific to see that even under this administration, you know, we have echoes of what we saw as a real policy under former president trump, which is essentially government- sanctioned kidnapping. this report does cite a difference between family separations under trump versus biden. and from, federal immigration officials separated small children from their parents was under biden, official separate different family formations, namely parents and their adult children. what does this say overall about our immigration system specifically that these policies are continuing under a democratic president? is that just a result of vague policies and a lack of clarity as to how this should be implemented, or is it because there is something different at play here? i think what you are seeing is a biden administration this falling into a political trap. we have to be very clear when we are talking about zero- tolerance, when we are going back in history, and that is such a dark chapter in our history, as we had a trump administration that made decisions on cruelty, on the action of dehumanizing others in here we have a biden administration that is falling into a political trap. over the last four years we have seen this administration that has made promises that suddenly is shifting to the right. as you pointed out, i want to remember that the very last week before the 2020 november election, the biden campaign released a video called separated, and in that video just five days before everyone went out to vote, he highlighted donald trump s zero tolerance initiative. he highlighted the cruelty. he highlighted what we are seeing on the screams and here we are just five months before the election and he has been starting to sound and use language that does remind us of donald trump and at the end of the day that is a political trap because the bottom line is you cannot out trump trump when it comes to immigration and the border. what worked in 2020 was in humanity. anything that tries to shift to the right of donald trump is a failed strategy. to that point, i do want to turn to biden s new executive order. the seven-day average of border crossings reaches 2500 migrants with some exceptions, they will be banned from claiming asylum, and deported. talk to me about how this is implemented. several department of homeland security officials responsible for carrying out the action speaking on the condition of anonymity saying there is concern that detention facilities and processing centers for migrants can quickly become overcrowded. what are you hearing about this, and why? it s such an important question because for organizations like global refuge to work with asylum- seekers, the executive order raises a number of concerns. for one, significant questions about its ultimate legality and enforceability, you know. the trump administration use the same authority to shut down the southern border and that was ultimately blocked by federal courts but it also raises implications for asylum-seeking families were trying to seek protection because of these arbitrary numeric limits and i think the final important point is just understand that we know from trump era policies that were hard-line restrictions, they don t actually deter people from crossing the border, so what we are perplexed by is a policy that is not going to be effective, that is harkening back to the trump administration, and i think is a result of congressional inaction but the administration could put in place a system that respects our border, it also respects our humanitarian and legal obligations. back in april, you reported on how migrant women are being targeted by cartels as they wait in limbo by the mexican border. how do you see biden s new order exacerbating this specific issue? as all of us know, the desperation does not end there. what we are seeing is simply a more dangerous situation. what this means on the grounds that more families, their lives will be in the hands of the cartels. they will be held hostage. they will be exposed to sexual violence and assault. many families will be sleeping in tent cities. many families will go hungry. many will then perhaps be repatriated to countries that are death sentences but more than anything, many families will be staring into a united states that is telling them that no matter the violence they are facing, no matter how many attempts there are by the cartels to end their lives, in this country, we are trying to make it harder for them to seek asylum. we all know that desperation will only mean that these families will be truly putting her hand lives in the hands of the cartels to find other routes to come to this country. a troubling situation for everyone involved. thank you so much to the both of you. greatly appreciated. coming up, far right extremism spreads across israel sanctioned by one of the country s top government officials. country s top government officials. i brought in ensure max protein with 30 grams of protein! those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks. -ugh. -here, i ll take that. woo hoo! ensure max protein, 30 grams protein, 1 gram sugar, 25 vitamins and minerals. and a new fiber blend with a prebiotic. 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(vo) new and existing customers get iphone 15 on us when they trade in any iphone. verizon it was one of the most anticipated games of the season, the first game between angel reese and caitlin clark. the most notable moment came in the third quarter when chicago s guard kennedy carter have checked caitlin clark, essentially pushing her to the floor. your average fan might call it a cheap shot. it is also the kind of hard play one occasionally sees in pro sports and regardless, many mostly male commentators were calling on league officials to protect caitlin clark. other reactions are plainly inappropriate. espn host pat mcafee called clark white b-word honorable trying to praise her though he later apologized and the chicago tribune wrote an editorial comparing curtis hip check to assault. the media meltdown is part of what the atlantic dubs the one downside of gender equality in sports. a boom in women s basketball means more commentary from men who don t know what they re talking about. joining me now to discuss this is the author of that piece, jemele hill. it s great to have you on the show. so much to unpack here. let me start with charles barkley and other male commentators who accuse the wnba players of being jealous of clark s popularity. the carter fell seems to have supercharge that view. what do you think that type of criticism gets wrong about how veterans are treating clark? one, and thanks for having me on, i think a lot of men who are commenting seemed to at the same time forget about how they competed if they were former players in the way that charles barkley was, or forget about how they commentate and frame a lot of the story lines that happen on the men s side whereas when men challenge each other, when a new ricky comes in and there s some kind of period were of course you re going to have them want to see, is this person really who they say they are it s considered a competitive and natural part of the game but yet with women, they reduce their level of competitiveness to something that is very triggering, particularly when we are talking about 70% black so they go with these covert, petty jealousy, making it sound like we are talking about a real housewives reunion on bravo. that is not what this is. this is competitive fire and naturally, of course, when you are the square, the generational talent that caitlin clark is, there s going to be a learning curve when you come to the next level. the women in the wnba are the best players in the world at the sport. it is a reason why the olympic team has won seven gold medals in a row. it s a reason why they are 70-3 and haven t lost a game since the 90s. where did they think these women are coming from? this league. if they are that good, that would mean naturally for any rookie that is going to be a learning curve where they understand the physicality and the way the game is played. it s very natural and men s sports. the things you can get away with college you can get away with in the pros and yet the men who commentate seem to forget all of this when it comes to caitlin clark. you bring up an interesting place. also there has been an obvious racial component to some of these debates. carter and angel reese who were seen cheering after the foul are both black and people are talking about that and explaining that. how does race play into the media s explosive reactions to these story lines? this is a complicated question and complicated answer. again, the wnba is 70% black so one of the tropes, and many of the tropes i should say about black women is that their confrontational, aggressive, petty, jealous, all those things. some of those traits are ascribed to women in general when people want to speak negatively about women but i think in this case it particularly sticks because you have that optic of black versus white. but what another white player have done the same thing it would not have been as explosive as it was in because you have the dynamic of her and reese, a black player and white player having a personal rivalry it becomes charged just simply by the optics. i am old enough to remember when larry bird and mackey johnson came over into the pros. a lot of that fueled how people talk about them, how their talents were characterized were based off of rasul perceptions in this country of both of them and i don t know why people would think this would be alive and well in this rivalry but it is and angel reese has borne the brunt of a lot of this because she chose to be confident about the level of play she has and listen, i don t agree that she should ve been clapping when kennedy carter took clark down but we also see this within the context of a broader rivalry. again, it s interesting how the same things that are celebrated, marketed and that fans love on one side of the game with a totally different gender they suddenly are clutching their pearls on the other side. i grew up a little bit in detroit and this was during the 80s, so i know very well what a violent or test basketball game looks like. i want to ask you about something you brought up quickly. the debate that was sparked this weekend again about caitlin clark being left off the u.s. olympic basketball team. some decide described it as a snub. she is still a rookie, though. the u.s. basketball has not included a standout rookie or any rookie s before. what is your reaction and do you agree with calling it a snub? i don t think it is a snub and i honestly wasn t surprised. i thought this months ago. i thought she s can have a pretty hard time making the team and that s not about her ability. eventually caitlin clark is going to be on an olympic team. that s almost a guarantee but she went from playing college ball to playing in a professional league within a matter of weeks when they were holding tryouts in their camp. she was not able to play in any of that. she has some international experience but not a lot. she is in a position where it s a little bit tougher because she s a guard, she s a little on the slight side, she is adjusting to the physicality of the wnba. again, this is a very successful team and there are a lot of people who don t get on this team and were not this time around and so i think if you just take the caitlin clark this away from it then people will probably better understand decision. and like you said the women s team is the most dominant team in sports. it s a tough team to break into in any level. thank you so much. appreciate having this conversation with you tonight. all right, appreciate you. that s it for me tonight. thank you for joining us. catch ayman every sunday on msnbc. c. heap stuff is too thin! i told you not to get the other toilet paper. here s charmin ultra strong. ahhh! my bottom s been saved! woooo! with its diamond weave texture, charmin ultra strong cleans better with fewer sheets and less effort. what s everybody waiting for? 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