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take quite a while to get sorted back out. >> yeah, that makes sense and i wasn't aware of the passengers on the ramp area. thank you for that information you're bringing to the conversation. john, jim cavanaugh mentioned the security of the cockpit doors now on airplanes. i seem to recall that was something that was put into effect in the wake of 9/11. but are they all impenetrable by a gun if a gun were able to get on board a plane, which, again, to jim's point, he's made this as a really positive story in that this was stopped. nobody has been injured. there's no employees or passengers that are at risk now. so that's the silver lining of this incident. but is there gun or bullets, weaponry, ammunition that could penetrate a cockpit door? >> the doors have been hardened in the wake of 9/11, and that's true on all airliners today. so, the -- they are designed to
so, john, it's got to be very concerning for any pilot who may have been walking into atlanta hartsfield airport thinking, wow, here comes a gun that gets that close, it's in the terminal, somehow it gets dislodged. talk about it from the pilot perspective. i mean, there's got to be all sorts of things that run through a pilot's mind when they hear about a gun dislodging at the airport. >> well, any time there's a discharge of a weapon in an airport, it's extremely serious. and the question is, what's the secondary security concerns and what i mean by that is, okay, the weapon discharged. is there an ongoing threat? that's the first i think you want to protect are the passengers and the airplane. so, that's -- from what i have read, they were able to quickly determine there were not any secondary security issues, although they do have a large number of passengers out on the ramp area, so this is going to
about airport security. there was a surveillance camera. you're shaking your head. >> number one, he came over a fence and they have video of him coming over the fence. >> at like 1:00 in the morning. >> now really the most troubling part i have with this is that he was on that tarmac in the ramp area for seven hours. no one saw him. there was no one in the control center for security at that airport that was looking at any video cameras that saw him. one of the other things, too. every pilot before a flight takes a prewalk around inspection and looks to make sure there is nothing leaking and they usually look at the landing gear and up into the compartment. >> i heard a lot of times it is close closed this is everything that they're going to have to take a look at.
ramp area for an aircraft of the a-380 size to be taxing by at that time. >> nbc's tom kocostello reporti for that. >> how large that wingspan of that new jumbo jet, it's as wide as a manhattan city block. three weeks of an operation failed to turn the tide, nato members are split over the scope and intensity of the air strikes in libya. new york times headline reads the pace of attack in libya conflict dividing nato. yesterday france and great britainç urged the allies to rp up the strikes. to do more to shield libyan citizens from attack. but the obama administration assists that the u.s. will stick to its plan to sit in the backseat in the libyan campaign. hosni mubarak and two of his sons are now under investigation