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of where they might take him if they wanted to make sure they could stabilize him. they want to get him out, get him the kind of treatment he needs so they can keep him alive. that really is their goal. you have to keep in mind also, the people up in that area all so proficient that they knew that they weren't shooting to kill. they were shooting, it appears, to injure and take him down. that's why initially when i started getting calls, he's in custody, he's been shot. my first question was dead or alive, dead or alive. that was the issue. it appears he was shot and then they were able to take him into custody. you can see him sitting on the ground in that position with his hands behind his back and a camouflage. >> thank you for the great reporting again. the first time any of us have seen david sweat since he
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there have been no charges filed against anyone. police say in lake mary that they will interview both george zimmerman and matthew apperson but both men is said they want their attorneys present for that. so that's taking a little time. it should be pointed out that the lake mary police department has body cams. so it's quite possible that an officer got george zimmerman not at the moment of the shooting but immediately after to gauge his reaction. erin? >> all right, marty, thank you very much. martin savidge. and now natalie jackson. she was the attorney for trayvon martin's family and jose baez the former attorney for casey anthony. a lot of experience in florida with this happened. martin going through the whole background here, this is about three years after zimmerman shot and killed trayvon martin. you represented the martin family. when you hear this today, what could you think? >> i think that it's very relevant to the protests that are going on today and the black lives matter movement. i'm really seeing favoritism towards george zimmerman.
investigation in florida after a road rage incident. but police say this time george zimmerman was on the receiving end of gunfire. >> an officer from lake mary police department was flagged down by george zimmerman in his vehicle on westlake mary boulevard, okay. he reported that he had just been involved in a shooting. simultaneously lake mary police department received a 911 call from a third party on behalf of a matthew apperson a white male who stated that he had just been involved in a shooting with george zimmerman. >> reporter: that 911 caller says apperson told him zimmerman was waving a gun and that's when apperson fired. however, zimmerman says apperson pulled up behind zimmerman and started flashing his lights honking at him and screaming obscenities. apperson fired a shot which allegedly almost hit zimmerman's head leaving to zimmerman suffering a minor injury from
>> reporter: even more so than in years past? >> sure. >> reporter: this is a former nypd sergeant. he says given so much police scrutiny over controversial incidents in places like ferguson and baltimore, police have a tougher job now than in years past. >> we might not have seen an environment like this since the 1960s and the mentality of the cops are the bad guys. now they're kind of taking it out on the cops. almost like emboldened criminals to fight the cops. >> reporter: no motive for that shooting there in mississippi. a very small community there. still trying to cope with what happened there. erin? >> all right, jason, thank you very much. and "outfront" now retired nypd detective harry hawk along with our political commentator marc lamont hill. harry, you just heard jason carroll. it's a very sobering piece. you're talking about officers around the country, who have been shot, who have been killed
>> when you say no peace. did that create -- >> martin luther king said no justice no peace. >> okay. >> i would be uncomfortable that that's a violent statement. justice is always a precondition of peace. if people don't get justice, they will march. they will protest. they will stop highways. all of that is not being peace informal the traditional sense. >> that's peaceful protests. that is peaceful. >> the no justice no peace is what is clogging the highways. they weren't shooting police officers. >> i define it as violence. no justice, no peace? i hear violence in that. >> which is often why the people who are marching on highways without guns were being attacked by police officers because of that mentality. >> when did that happen? >> when i was in ferguson it happened many times. we were tear gassed, trampled. no one had any we haves. i was there. >> there was rioting, though. >> not in the places where i was, no. it's not true. i'm not saying no one rioted. but that wasn't the overall case. >> right. >> what i'm saying it's too early to make connections here. and it's irresponsible i think to make the connection between a peaceful movement -- >> we have the police numbers
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that was taken down. we have a screen capture of it. it's been sent around on social media. when they say they are blaming ukraine, that happened later. initially they said, good for us, we downed a ukrainian plane. then they realized. >> here's the clip from tom costello. it's audio between a ukrainian rebel and a russian military intelligence officer discussing the downing of flight 17 after the fact. >> there you have it. this horrible recognition by the people who shot this down. they weren't shooting at a
>> having ideological motivation. >> right. they weren't shooting because of identity or something like that. but it is terrifying. >> right. >> and the whole point of why we need gun control legislation is part of why the background checks are insufficient although they are the first step we need. it is accessibility of handguns to people with no respect for human life to stand there and fire into that crowd. a crowd with children. >> that image is crazy. that image is really maniacal to be standing there pointing that gun. you can see it there. it strikes me -- there's polling numbers. i wanted to talk to you, make sure things were cool in your neighborhood first of all, but i wanted to talk about this story. there's this kind of two america thing on guns and the gun conversation. and in one america guns are i grew up, my dad took me to the shooting range, i went hunting.
said the regime would never kill its own people. he lies and he smiles and he winks. global pressure is starting to build today. there's no doubt about that. the hope is, it's the beginning of the end. the fear is, what gadhafi might do between now and then. and just in case there is anyone listening tonight who might believe the gadhafis who say they would never kill their own people, although i find it hard to believe anybody would believe it at this point. tonight, another voice. more proof. a man who says he saw people die today on the streets of tripoli after friday prayers. what happened when you left -- what happened after mosque today? >> people were in groups walking down the streets. the military came and they tried to shoot at people. and they weren't shooting to scare people off, they were shooting to kill. they killed people in front of my eyes. children, old men. >> you saw people dying?