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have super secret classified systems where we keep the most sensitive information. for someone to misuse that system by putting information there that is not sensitive or related to a national security issue but is information that's politically embarrassing for the president, that is a misuse of this system. that also represents a national security threat. >> big picture, gloria. how damning is this whistleblower complaint? >> i think it's very, very damning. i think it opens a pan dora's box. going to the credibility of the whistleblower. the whistleblower's complaint mirrors, you know, what we learned in the summary of the telephone conversation. the whistleblower was pretty accurate about that, as susan was saying. this opens a whole host of questions. were these lawyers in the white house who directed people to put these files in the file 13 or the vault or whatever you want to call it, was there a consciousness of guilt there? did they know? and were they trying to cover up
whistleblower's complaint are reve revealed. >> thank you very much. >> reporter: among the key allegations, not only did president trump seek ukraine's help in interference in his 2020 re-election campaign but the white house subsequently took steps to keep it quiet. the seven-page now declassified complaint says after the president's july 25th phone call with ukrainian president zelensky in which trump pressed the ukrainian leader to investigate biden and his son, the whistleblower learned from multiple u.s. officials that senior white house officials had intervened to lock down all records of the phone call. white house officials told me they were directed by white house lawyers to remove the electronic transcript from the computer system in which such transcripts are typically stored for coordination, finalization and distribution to cabinet-level officials. instead, the transcript was loaded into a separate electronic system that is otherwise used to store and handle classified information of an especially sensitive nature. the whistleblower saying that
impeachment. she's not given a deadline to her committees. that might not satisfy many democrats on capitol hill, pushing to not lose momentum on this, potentially having a vote on articles of impeachment this fall. of? >> let's get back to our analyst, chris cillizza. the new information we're getting on ukraine and all of this, if there say formal vote in the house of representatives to impeach, not to start an investigation, but to formally impooch the president of the united states, tl do you think there will be a majority, 218 members? >> i do, wolf. i wouldn't have said that candidly. i said on air one of the reasons they haven't brought it up in the past is there wasn't a majority. you had a lot of democrats representing districts, donald trump being one, 2016, who were still wary of this and said look at the public polling on impeachment, suggesting a large mantle, 55, 60% of people don't
something happening to this, quote, unquote perfect call that would make you think, maybe this wasn't a perfect call, and if the president thinks it's a perfect call, there is a lot of people around him who do not. the whistleblower says officials told him white house lawyers directed officials to remove the electronic transcript from the normal computer system where it's housed and move it to this highly classified system. how significant is this? >> well, it's very significant because the big point here is there wasn't classified information in the transcript. it could be politically damaging, as we now know, to the president. so the fact that, according to this complaint, white house lawyers reviewed the transcript and tlahought, this is going to make the president look bad and put it in this secured classification raises questions and sounds the alarm bells on this. and sources i'm talking to, they say that basically this was an effort to cut down on leaks, because they were worried that this would get out there. now, the irony, of course, is
>> we consulted with white house counsel's office and were advised much of the information in the complaint was, in fact, subject to executive privilege. a privilege that i do not have the authority to waive. >> reporter: republicans lashed out at democrats who questioned maguire's integrity. >> they've accused you of breaking the law. >> i'm not political. i'm not partisan. >> reporter: republicans are trying to question the credibility of the whistleblower. >> on page one the complaint reads, quote, i was not a direct witness to most of the events described. this seems like a very important line to look into. >> reporter: maguire explained he does not know the identity of the whistleblower and no one within the white house or the justice department have asked him to disclose the identity. >> did the president of the united states ask you to find out the identity of the whistleblower? >> i can tell you emphatically, no. >> reporter: but one republican did call out the president for his phone call with ukraine's president. >> i want to say to the
suggests others were well aware of it. and this whistleblower account and the one we read today, there were 12 people in the room during the call with zelensky, who were aware of what the president had said and the question that gloria raised, how many other conversations with world leaders have been put in the, quote, lockdown vessel as well? and set aside in these circumstances? it does raise the national security concern. and i think it goes back to continuity and how unstable this administration has been. maguire is a career civil servant, a patriot. no doubt about that. look what he walked into. this is the downside of having constantly acting heads, specifically the dni. situations and questions he wasn't able to answer. not because it wasn't classified information but he wasn't aware. he didn't know rudy giuliani was sent over to speak with ukrainians for certain instances. he didn't know if he had
a source close to the president told me he appears to be lacking in folk sbus more distracted as he becomes more consumed by the whistleblower complaint. up against a mounting crisis for his administration, president trump is throwing punches in almost every direction, taking aim at democrats running the whistleblower hearing up on capitol hill. >> just watched a little bit of this on television. it's a disgrace to our country. it's another witch hunt. here we go again. and i have to put up with adam schiff on an absolutely perfect phone call. >> reporter: the president is also sounding like he wants vengeance, lashing out at a private breakfast, demanding to know who tipped off the whistleblower, saying that president trump asked for president zelensky's help in the 2020 election. >> who gave the whistleblower the information? that's close to a spy. do you know what we used to do in the old days when we were
administration on a number of security issues. he has access to a lot of classified information. she says there wasn't classified information on there, but we don't know yet. and there will be more investigating into that. >> finding out whether there's one or two or duplicates of classified information is relevant to this election, scott. and when it comes to use of private e-mail in anyway shape or form. ivanka trump is a smart person. and she like the rest of us heard this. >> she deleted the e-mails, she has to go to jail. >> scott? the she by the way is not ivanka, just to be clear, in case there's confusion. >> it's obviously not a great story and headline for the white house, the core question is, how do you move forward from an issue like this, what they have to show is transparency, they had to show involvement from the white house council here, what i found interesting is that her private lawyers were answering
rekeying is disclosing a confidential conversation, which is exactly what he did. >> shannon: john, what do you make of this? the inspector general is looking into the use of those mamas and how they were handled. >> i think unfortunately mr. comey out to be. i think we are seeing mr. comey thinks he lives by one set of rules and those rules are not the same that apply to the rest of us as americans or even apply to the agents in the fbi. he did like information. the only question is whether it was classified. it's already privileged. he's leaking confidential conversations between the fbi director and the president to the media without the president to president permission. this has done great damage to the fbi, both internally and externally. what president in the future is ever going to trust another fbi director that he can discuss confidential matters with? what fbi agents will trust their leadership to understand that they live by the same rules they hold their agents to enter they hold the rest of us and the
little boy. a lot of people are asking questions about why they won't just let him go. an interesting piece says what i think a lot of people are wondering, "the only reason that they would refuse to let them go is because they are terrified that he really might be successfully treated. if they are wrong on a question of life and death, it is being scrutinized internationally. no one would ever trust an nhs end-of-life assessment again. letting him go would require the british health care and judicial systems through the one thing bureaucracies bristles are doing, knowing how it undermines their institutional authorities, they would have to admit they were wrong. they can't do it, to preserve the public's trust, the child must starve." pretty harsh. >> it's awful. i would say it's deserved, as you mentioned, the the doctorst the british hospital have not been able to diagnose his problem. they are saying he certainly doomed but they don't understand what is happened. as you have pointed out on your previous shows, i believe