0 now we're going to bring in 19.1. the problem is we're spending more, you know, it's sort of curious that the president says, you know, his door is always open and he's willing to talk and everybody on capital hill willing to talk to the president and he's on the road show. i mean, what seems to be the problem? and what, and four days from the, you know, this deadline? >> you know what the biggest problem is, we don't have enough buses to move congress 150 miles to show up at the campaign rallies and he needs to start leading in this process, remember what he did. he came one this idea the sequestration of the way to cut. right? and then he tried to disown it, and then he tells you after it's passed if you pass a bill i will veto it. the house passes bills that makes the cuts in better places and the senate won't take it up. now we're four days away from it. now he thinks oh, this might be an issuen he goes and tries to create hysteria and go across the country. that's wrong. >> is there anything ka that can be done in four days, other than postponing it? >> look it, it's not going to break us by going through. can we cut in a better manner, yes, do we need to make more cuts? more efficient cuts, yes, we can, but i don't think in four days with the president not even going it it come down and talk to harry reid. i don't see how you get that. what happens? we roll through the four days and actually we have the sequestration and have the cuts we changed the next day or day after we changed on march 2nd, tell me what's going to happen. the end of the month the continuing resolution, the funding of government because the senate has not passed the budget in almost four years, i love to remind people the ipad was not introduced the last time they passed one. what we'll have to do is fund government for the rest of the year. the house will take action next week and fund it it so we bring certainty there and we'll start working towards putting the path where we pass the budget in april that puts us on balance in the next ten years. >> so there will be the cuts, the sequestration cuts will go into effect? >> yeah. >> you think this is not going to be catastrophic and not going to throw to recession and shut down our military and do all of these things. >> no, in-- >> i wanted to be sarcastic. the only thing catastrophic that we kept our word in washington that we said we'd do this 18 months ago and the president change the plan that agreed to. and washington kept their word. >> greta: have you heard from the president at all or the speaker? >> the president did call the speaker, i believe, last week, but i have not heard from him. >> and says what? >> let's get together? >> i don't think he said let's get together. i think he maybe talked a little about sequestration and then told the press that he told the speaker. >> greta: and that's the end. >> that's all i've heard. >> what do you think the american people think about this? >> the american people think it's crazy in the process. one, it's crazy that you spend more time trying to create hysteria where you bring out the secretary of treasury, secretary of transportation, planes won't be flying and the budget is more than it was in 2008 and planes flu fine then and traffic was high then. so why create that? i think what the people are saying is, stop playing games and stop playing campaigns, and get down and do the job that needs to be done. >> congressman, thank you, always nice to see you, sir. >> thanks for having me. >> senator john borasso the best way is to cut to government waste. he points to a report that shows that the government wasted 115.3 billion of your tax money on improper payments and the bulk of that programs like medicare, medicaid and unemployment insurance would more than compensate for the sequester and the senator joins you cans, you don't want to cut medicare and medicaid, do you? >> this is overpayments made by mistakes in government. i have a report coming out tomorrow, greta that goes through a government accountability statements that show there are 51 government programs, that are ineffective. overlapping, don't get the job done. 180 of them economic development programs under five different cabinet positions. we have 173 programs promoting the same thing, we have literacy programs, economic literacy run by 20 different agencies and we have 55 different jobs programs and they don't know if anybody that goes through the programs actually, greta, gets hired for anything. >> we've done an awful lot here on the record on waste and fraud. the federal government is replete with waste and a couple of things caught my attention. one, i don't know if you mentioned that, but i had no idea the selective service, the draft ended about 1973, but of course, still have to register and spent 24 billion dollars a year and a staff of-- i'm not sure we have to spend 124 million when we don't have a draft. >> the va has 500 public affairs officers. why do they need 500 public affairs officers. >> greta: this report and assuming it's correct probably is the most stunning to me. last summer or last fall, office of management and budget in compliance with the transparency act of 2012 sent a detailed report to congress and noted that under the sequestration, that would happen, is that the national drug intelligence center would lose 2 million dollars of its 20 million dollar budget. however, three months before the omb issued its report that agency has been abolished. >> this is what the president's doing. he's just trying to scare the american people and congress into raising taxes. and i'm not buying it. we need to cut wasteful washington spending and that's why i'm coming up with the report to show so many places, af been travelling all around wyoming last week, greta. and people only believe 50 cents of every dollar they sent to washington is used in a constructive way. taxpayers get the fact that there's a lot of waste in this government. and they understand that even with the sequester, spending is going up. it's just not going up as fast as the president wants to go up. >> what i don't get. the first thing you do when-- first thing you do is assess how much money you need. and see whether you have waste and fraud. we've been doing the shows for a long time. and this leaves no appetite in the city to look for waste and fraud. unbelievable. and waste and fraud wouldn't hurt anybody if we got rid of it. but you know, there's just no appetite. why don't politicians want to get rid of waste and fraud. what's the, you know, impediment to that? >> i have the report coming up tomorrow. too much waste in washington, and you can go line by line, through all of these things, remember the president promised back in 2008 he would go line through line through the budget. all the lines are here, greta. >> greta: he hasn't done that. >> incredible waste. >> greta: and i remember a congressman wrote him a letter and he wanted to do that and he never heard back. >> he would come down to the white house and do it with you. and i make the same offer to the president after this report comes out tomorrow and happy to go over it with the president line by line. let's face it the sequester is going to hit and the spending will get cut and there's no way that republicans are going to trade, a tax increase for spending cut. we're not raising taxes on anyone. >> my guess is that the american people thought that the house and the senate the president sincerely went through and got rid of the waste and fraud and at that point we needed more revenue, and i imagine some of the resistance is because it's disgusting how much waste and fraud there is, and americans are good people and make sure that the government runs well, but the fraud and waste is just disgusting. >> and the other people, people say if you had a balanced budget amendment to the constitution and lived within your means like american families have to doyea wouldn't mind trying to help deal with the debt and the deficit. without a balanced budget amendment to the constitution i'd say don't send washington anymore money they'll waste it. >> we're talking 82 billion and did a story the department of labor said between i think it was june of 2011 and july of 2012 that they found 5 billion in improper payments for unemployment. 5 billion. >> we found 110 billion in inappropriate statements, but this government is spending twice now what it did ten years ago and there's plenty of waste to be dealt with and we can't find 2 1/2% cuts without the president going around the country trying to scare people in an effort to try to raise taxes. we're a strong, resilient nation and we're going to get through what this president is doing for us and he's going to find that the scare tactics and you know, saying that the roof, the sky falling, it's not going to fall unless he forces it down. >> senator, nice to he see you, sir. >> thanks for having me. >> 85 billion dollars sequester quickly approaching a debt quickly headed towards 17 trillion dollars. sounds like reasons for concern? well, not if you ask vice-president joe biden, and saying the american people are no longer worried about our economy. >> they're no longer dramatized by what was a traumatizing event and the great collapse in 2008. they're no longer worried, i think, about our economy being overwelcomed either by your you or china or someone swallowing up every bit of innovation that exists in the world. and there are no longer, i think, worried about our, our economy being overwhelmed beyond our shores and there's very little doubt in any circles out there about america's ability to be in a position to lead the world in the 21st century. >> greta: and governor jan brewer joins us. nice to see you. >> nice to see, greta. and take part of the quote. they meaning the american people are no he longer traumatized by what was a traumatizing event. a great collapse in 2008. >> obviously, and the advice vice president is clearly out of touch. they're with the direction the country is going and concerned about the current leadership. >> you know, i'm not sure exactly, i mean, what he meant by that because-- a little disjointed. sometimes we find that they talk in code and you have to decipher it. i think he's saying that the american public, that they're not concerned, that they feel full confidence what is taking place and he needs to get out, i believe, and speak with the public and they are concerned and they want leadership, they see a government that's not functioning, they have no plans, they're not showing leadership. they keep doing the bait and switch. and it's --. >> you were at the white house today and when the president was speaking and threw the press out. i'm curious, what did the press say about this, about the sequestration and the money problems? >> well, he definitely said he wants to work together and obviously, he doesn't want to compromise one little bit. bottom line is that he wants to raise taxes. and he doesn't want to cut and i think the american people believe that. you know, at the time now, to start cutting the budget. and 17 trillion dollars deficit. and he wants to continue to spend. he doesn't want to do that. and wants to raise taxes. >> is there any room, i know you were on face the nation yesterday talking about this, in your mind is there any room to increase taxes on anybody or close loopholes or geteducti. >> spending is out of ever control, absolutely out of control. we cannot continue down that bath. compromise is a good thing, but he's not going to compromise. it's his way or the highway. >> did he say anything at all or give you any sort of glimmer of hope today? >> hope? >> yeah. >> no. >> okay. he told me that and the rest of the governors there that he wasn't running for election, his election was behind him and that he was going to do what he thought was right for the country and he wasn't going to look at polls, like some politicians do because always looking forward to that next election and that gave me a chill because that tells me that he's going to do whatever he wants to do. and he's big on executive orders. and exercising his power. so, i think he's going to be a real scary time for america, not hopeful. >> did any of the governors grill him or go at him with questions? >> everybody was relatively polite, taking him for of talking about certainly the sequester, certainly about the defense cuts. and certainly we're all concerned about what effect that's going to have on our budget because they're going to have effects, real effects. arizona, for example, we have a strong military presence and a military components like r raytheon and there go the jobs and he talks about wanting the grow the economy. he's killing the economy and the job market. >> greta: thank you. >> thank you. >> greta: the are you no longer worried about the economy or more concerned than ever. go to gretawire.com right now to vote in our poll. >> and straight ahead. first it was a tiger woods golf outing and today, president obama strikes again. where did the boot the media from this time. and whatever happened to transparency? that's next. and also if you thought the oscar pistorius murder case could not get weirder, just ahead, it just did. and the brother is facing homicide charges, a live report from south africa coming up. and why is kate middleton taking a suptak take-- pippa middleton taking a supermarket job? 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