israel confirms its jets attacked a refugee camp in the north of gaza, saying it killed a senior hamas commander responsible for the murder and kidnapping of israelis on october 7th. a doctor has told the bbc that 120 people were killed and hundreds have been injured. three weeks into this war, yet more anguish for the civilians of gaza. the israeli military says the strike destroyed a network of tunnels it claims hamas built under the jabalia camp — and says hamas is using civilians as human shields. we'll talk live to action aid, who say one of their team's mother, father, brother and sisters were all killed in the strike. and we'll ask a former us general whether washington's support for israel is open—ended and unconditional. also tonight: unfit to respond to the challenges of the pandemic, completely unable to make decisions — borisjohnson�*s top advisers during covid say their old boss was chaotic and dithering. are their claims of the scale of such incompetence worse then some feared? and... our purpose is to amuse, simply to amuse. nothing serious, nothing political. from daleks to downing street. never mind aliens — as the whoniverse comes to iplayer, we ask if doctor who has succumbed to an invasion of politics and social commentary. if you're creating an imaginary world, at some level, it's going to reflect the world you live in. good evening. we start tonight by trying to unpick the details of what we know and are learning about what israel has said was a significant strike this afternoon on a refugee camp in the north of gaza. there are reports that hundreds of people have been killed or injured in the attack by fighterjets on the jabalia camp in north gaza. amongst them, the israeli defense force says it has killed ibrahim biari, a man they say was a commander for hamas and one of the leaders responsible for the coordinated attacks in israel on october 7th which killed 1,400 people. the idf also says the strike killed other senior hamas leaders and destroyed an underground network of the tunnels used by hamas — classed as a terrorist organisation by many countries, including the uk. as we come on air, the details of this afternoon's strike on the densely populated camp are still emerging — and it's currently impossible for us to verify all of the claims being made. a statement from the hamas—run health ministry initially put the number of dead at at least 50, although the palestine red crescent society later said that 25 civilians were killed. tonight, a senior doctor at the nearby hamas—run hospital told our bbc news colleague jeremy bowen there were 400 casualities, including 120 dead. located north of gaza city, the camp is the largest of gaza's eight refugee camps. just over 116,000 palestinian refugees were registered there by the un as ofjuly this year. refugees began settling there after the 19118 war sparked by the establishment of israel. it's a small but densely populated area, with 26 schools in 16 school buildings, a food distribution centre, two health centres, a library and seven water wells. this is footage released by the idf. israel's ground operation continues, and thousands of troops are in gaza involved in what they say are "large battles" with hamas in ground fighting. meanwhile, this is footage released by hamas of its fighters. the israeli military says it is targeting hamas and not civilians. the idf�*s assertion that hamas had built tunnels under the jabalia camp is of course what it says is its justification for striking the site. despite the presence of civilians, whom it says were being used as human shields. israel has vowed to continue its actions inside gaza. joining me now is frankie leach, humanitarian communications co—lead at actionaid uk, who in the past hour has heard that her colleague in gaza. we heard our colleague nuha he was a partner in gaza through an actionaid federation country programme unfortunately let us know today her entire family was killed in the air strike today. entire family was killed in the air strike today-— entire family was killed in the air| strike today._ we strike today. and how is she? we actually have _ strike today. and how is she? we actually have not _ strike today. and how is she? we actually have not been _ strike today. and how is she? we actually have not been able - strike today. and how is she? we actually have not been able to - strike today. and how is she? we i actually have not been able to speak to nuha that much because of the issues with communication at the moment, but the latest communication we got from her are obviously letting us know she survived the attack because until then, we didn't know whether she was alive. this is the kind of thing we were extremely concerned about when the communications blackout happened a few days ago, we waited over 2a hours to find out if our colleagues and friends were still alive. but to be honest, it is awful news just to hear that their entire family has died, i can't imagine what she is going through and i also can't imagine what is going through so many people his family and friends have died in that attack today. fit, have died in that attack today. a doctor has told jeremy bowen 120 people were killed. that is mothers, dads, grandparents, brothers, sisters, kids.— dads, grandparents, brothers, sisters, kids. , ., , , sisters, kids. these are people 'ust like us, if sisters, kids. these are people 'ust like afthis�* sisters, kids. these are people 'ust like us, if this happened * sisters, kids. these are people 'ust like us, if this happened in i sisters, kids. these are people 'ust like us, if this happened in myh like us, if this happened in my community, i would like us, if this happened in my community, iwould be like us, if this happened in my community, i would be devastated, like us, if this happened in my community, iwould be devastated, i don't know how i would get over it and this is what is happening every day in gaza now for 19 days, this has been going on for, 8,500 civilian deaths. we have been calling for a ceasefire for a number of days because as actionaid and other ngos say, there is no way to stop the deaths of civilians without having a ceasefire. these people are not hamas, they are ordinary men and women with families and children trying to survive in what has now become the most deadly place to be a journalist, to be a child on earth. you can't imagine the scale of catastrophe happening already in gaza, outside of the bombing, we have seen critical infrastructure damage, that is not enough access for field damage, that is not enough access forfield hospitals, we have children, babies on ventilators. we have heard today reports from hospitals they are just about to run out of fuel. so if you don't die in an air strike out of fuel. so if you don't die in an airstrike and out of fuel. so if you don't die in an air strike and you are injured, you may die in hospital and if you don't die in hospital, you might die from starvation because that is not enough food. and even if you do have enough food. and even if you do have enough food, you might die because thatis enough food, you might die because that is not enough water. it is just catastrophic for civilians. as ngos, we are at the point of wringing our hands because we can only do so much, we can only communicate what we're hearing on the ground. we can put out press releases calling for a ceasefire and put out statistics on how many people are dying, but what we need is for world leaders to stand up and listen and hear to end the civilian loss of life, we have to have a ceasefire. it doesn't matter what happens after that ceasefire, but in order to stop the devastation that we are seeing, we just have to see a ceasefire, there is nothing else that can happen. you will have heard in the introduction of the israeli defence force saying they killed a senior hamas commander, ibrahim biari, who was responsible for the massacre of israelis on october the 7th and other hamas leaders, and they say they have destroyed an underground structure that was underneath the refugee camp. and that, they say, is justification for what they have done because they have a stated aim of wiping out hamas. i done because they have a stated aim of wiping out hamas.— of wiping out hamas. i understand the need for _ of wiping out hamas. i understand the need for the _ of wiping out hamas. i understand the need for the israeli _ of wiping out hamas. i understand. the need for the israeli government to go after those who are responsible for the attack on october the 7th. but as humanitarians, we abide by international humanitarian law and within that law is the element of proportionality, which means that you cannotjustify and you cannot involve a mass civilian casualty and death in order to achieve aims in warfare, there has to be that element of proportionality. we believe this is a serious potential breach of international humanitarian law and there have been multiple serious breaches of international humanitarian law. so what we are calling on world leaders to do is open the dialogue, have those conversations and ensure civilians are not held responsible for the attacks on october the 7th in the same way we wouldn't expect any civilians to be held responsible for the actions of a government or terrorist organisation.- the actions of a government or terrorist organisation. thank you very much _ terrorist organisation. thank you very much for— terrorist organisation. thank you very much for being _ terrorist organisation. thank you very much for being with - terrorist organisation. thank you very much for being with us - terrorist organisation. thank you very much for being with us this | very much for being with us this evening, thank you. we can speak to generaljoseph votel, who served as the commander of the us central command from 2016 to 2019, overseeing military operations in the middle east. thank you for speaking to us. i wonder can i ask you first your response to the targeting of this refugee camp in northern gaza, general votel?_ refugee camp in northern gaza, general votel? generalvotel? yes, thank you, it's treat to generalvotel? yes, thank you, it's great to be — generalvotel? yes, thank you, it's great to be with — generalvotel? yes, thank you, it's great to be with you. _ generalvotel? yes, thank you, it's great to be with you. certainly, - generalvotel? yes, thank you, it's great to be with you. certainly, the j great to be with you. certainly, the images that we are seeing are not good and they don't help the information because and the support for the israeli campaign here. but we don't know all the facts, we don't know all the details of it. and the israeli military will need to come fourth with that. i think what it underscores however is both the complexity of the situation and the complexity of the situation and the challenge before the israeli defense forces of rooting out a vicious organisation, hamas, that attacked and killed a number of their civilians. but doing it in situations where hamas exploits the palestinian population of gaza, hides among them, hides underneath them, often times takes advantage of them, often times takes advantage of the civilian population ultimately, in my own experience, these types of operations and this type of situation requires extraordinary care. and it will be important for the israelis to explain why the value of this strike was worth the risk that was taken with respect to civilians. . ~ risk that was taken with respect to civilians. ., ~ ., . risk that was taken with respect to civilians. ., ~ .,. ., , civilians. frankie leach raised the oint that civilians. frankie leach raised the point that it _ civilians. frankie leach raised the point that it wasn't _ civilians. frankie leach raised the point that it wasn't proportionate | point that it wasn't proportionate in her view. that even if it is true that a senior hamas commander and others were killed and that underground structures were destroyed, if 120 civilians were killed and hundreds more injured, thatis killed and hundreds more injured, that is not proportionate and that is a breach, she believes, potential breach of international humanitarian law. ~ ., ., ~' ., law. well, again, i think what will have to happen — law. well, again, i think what will have to happen is _ law. well, again, i think what will have to happen is we _ law. well, again, i think what will have to happen is we will- law. well, again, i think what will have to happen is we will have . law. well, again, i think what will have to happen is we will have to | have to happen is we will have to figure out and establish the facts and the details around this. and again, the israeli military will need to explain this to the court of public opinion here for what they have done. i can't make that determination for them. have done. i can't make that determination forthem. i have done. i can't make that determination for them. i certainly understand the point that she has raised and again, i think it's important that we all operate in accordance with the law of armed conflict, which includes the principles of distinction and proportionality. just principles of distinction and proportionality. principles of distinction and --roortionali ., , ., ,, proportionality. just hearing the us secretary of — proportionality. just hearing the us secretary of state _ proportionality. just hearing the us secretary of state antony _ proportionality. just hearing the us secretary of state antony blinken l proportionality. just hearing the us| secretary of state antony blinken is going back to israel this friday, i am told. you, as i understand it, were in charge in 2017 of the operation by iraqi and american forces to retake the city of mosul. that took nine months and it was brutal. will it be the same in gaza? yes, i mean, ourfight in mosulwas an extraordinarily difficult one, it did take a lot of time and i think it demonstrated really the challenges we were dealing with. isis in this case had made some use of subterranean capabilities, certainly not to the extent that we know hamas has done in the gaza strip, but parts of the operation went faster, the eastern part of the city went a little bit faster, but the western side of the city was extraordinarily difficult. it was block by block fighting as you pointed out, it took literally months to dislodge isis, to sort out civilians and to complete the mission. we were aided, however, by a lot of extraordinary humanitarian planning that preceded our military operations. we made good use of the planners that were available to establish humanitarian corridors, set up camps, make sure resources were in place for civilians and then use the iraqi government to help encourage them to get out of the way in advance of military operations. all those things are very necessary for this. and the urban operations i think highlight the importance of humanitarian planning is part of this. it has to go hand—in—hand with the military operations. this. it has to go hand-in-hand with the military operations.— the military operations. thank you for bein: the military operations. thank you for being with _ the military operations. thank you for being with us _ the military operations. thank you for being with us this _ the military operations. thank you for being with us this evening, - for being with us this evening, general votel.— for being with us this evening, general votel. thank you, good evenina. "nobody knew who was in charge". "number 10 was completely unsuitable" for handling covid. the cabinet office was a "dumpster fire". colleagues were "morons", "liars" and — a warning, there's a swear word coming up — colleagues were also "fuckpigs". two of the then pm's top aides — ex—chief adviser dominic cummings and former number 10 director of communications lee cain — laid bare before the inquiry claims of sheer incompetence in downing street and sometimes across whitehall. mr cain said the pandemic was "the wrong crisis" for mrjohnson's "skillset". we learned from a whatsapp mr cummings sent that he thought the cabinet at the time were utterly useless and he admitted that in the run—up to the first lockdown in march 2020, none of them thought about vulnerable groups — people who were minority ethnic, those on low incomes and victims of domestic abuse — were all "almost entirely appallingly neglected". we'll discuss the implications of what we've heard today in a moment. first, here'sjoe — and his report contains more of that strong language. tales of chaos at the heart of boris johnson's government are nothing new. neither is dominic cummings likening the then pm's style of decision—making to "a swerving trolley". 0r, indeed, expletive—laden whatsapp messages between those running the country. but today at the covid inquiry, the swearing really seemed relentless. you called ministers useless all lockpigs, more runs. babbling about chickenpox, god help us. we have got to get helen out. the counsel for the inquiry hugo keith didn'tjust ask dominic cummings about his "revolting" language. but challenged him on his treatment of senior staff. did you treat individuals in downing street with a fence and misogyny, mr cummings? street with a fence and misogyny, mr cumminrs? . , street with a fence and misogyny, mr cumminrs? ., , ., cummings? certainly not. -- with offence. but a whatsapp message about this woman — deputy cabinet secretary helen macnamara — might suggest otherwise to some. she was the second most senior civil servant at the heart of government. there were gasps in the inquiry room at that language. mr cummings said his choice of words was deplorable, but that he was not misogynistic. but it gave us a sense of what life must have been like in such a toxic workplace — full of feuds, rivalry and dysfunction. even at the height of the biggest crisis the uk had faced since world war two. today, we also had the clearest evidence yet of how borisjohnson privately viewed older people. two extracts from the notebook of chief scientific adviser sir patrick vallance suggested mrjohnson was... sir patrick also wrote that the pm... borisjohnson has not responded to a request for comment. elsewhere, mr cummings said mrjohnson's decision to take a holiday in the february 2020 half term was "insane". and there was "no plan" to support vulnerable people affected by the pandemic. but while all these records and whatapp messages give us a valuable insight into minute—by—minute decision—making in westminster, the same clarity may not be available in understanding scotland's response. the country's national medical directorjason leitch has deleted his whatsapp messages, according to newspaper reports. and today at holyrood, nicola sturgeon refused four times to deny she had done the same. the requests and responses at this stage are confidential until the inquiry decides otherwise so i cannot and will not go into the detail of those responses now, that would be to breach the reputation. any messages i had, i handled and dealt with in line with the policy set out by the deputy first minister. set out by the deputy first minister-— set out by the deputy first minister. , ., ., , ., minister. does that mean you deleted some? can you _ minister. does that mean you deleted some? can you let _ minister. does that mean you deleted some? can you let me _ minister. does that mean you deleted some? can you let me finish? - minister. does that mean you deleted some? can you let me finish? i - minister. does that mean you deleted some? can you let me finish? i will. some? can you let me finish? i will be settin: some? can you let me finish? i will be setting out. _ some? can you let me finish? i will be setting out. i — some? can you let me finish? i will be setting out, i have _ some? can you let me finish? i will be setting out, i have already - some? can you let me finish? i will be setting out, i have already and l be setting out, i have already and will continue to set out to the inquiry how i operated, how i worked during the covid pandemic. so far, across the uk, 231,000 people have died with covid on their death certificate. borisjohnson and rishi sunak are expected to give their evidence to the inquiry before christmas. let's speak to dave penman, general secretary of the fda, the union for civil servants. also here, tim montgomerie, formerly an advisor to borisjohnson and the founder of the conservative home website. and annabel denham, deputy comment editor at the telegraph. welcome, all of you. i will ask each of you this question. are you shocked to montgomery that the government was apparently being run in this way? i government was apparently being run in this wa ? .,, .,, government was apparently being run inthiswa ? , ., in this way? i was, i was shocked at the language- _ in this way? i was, i was shocked at the language. and _ in this way? i was, i was shocked at the language. and underlining - in this way? i was, i was shocked at the language. and underlining that| the language. and underlining that language —— underline that language is a lack of respect for your colleagues, special advisers, civil servants and the office. when i need into downing street, i was only there briefly, but i was honoured to work in the cockpit of governments, of national affairs. and to treat that institution in the way that that institution in the way that that language revealed just as one illustration did actually really shocked me.— illustration did actually really shocked me. ., , shocked me. what shocked you most, david penman? _ shocked me. what shocked you most, david penman? the _ shocked me. what shocked you most, david penman? the picture _ shocked me. what shocked you most, david penman? the picture of- shocked me. what shocked you most, david penman? the picture of the - david penman? the picture of the chaos in number _ david penman? the picture of the chaos in number10, _ david penman? the picture of the chaos in number10, dominic- david penman? the picture of the - chaos in number10, dominic cummings chaos in number 10, dominic cummings wants_ chaos in number 10, dominic cummings wants to— chaos in number 10, dominic cummings wants to talk _ chaos in number 10, dominic cummings wants to talk about everyone else in government being chaotic, but it was quite clear_ government being chaotic, but it was quite clear from the evidence from him and _ quite clear from the evidence from him and lee cain, was once described to me _ him and lee cain, was once described to me as— him and lee cain, was once described to me as a _ him and lee cain, was once described to me as a nest of vipers and what was quite — to me as a nest of vipers and what was quite clear it was the vipers in that nest. — was quite clear it was the vipers in that nest, that is how they treated each other— that nest, that is how they treated each other as well. there were quite happy— each other as well. there were quite happy for— each other as well. there were quite happy for that. each other as well. there were quite happy forthat. everyone, each other as well. there were quite happy for that. everyone, according to mr— happy for that. everyone, according to mr cummings, was hopeless, every bit of— to mr cummings, was hopeless, every bit of government was hopeless, and it demonstrated the ability of number 10 to it demonstrated the ability of numberio to make it demonstrated the ability of number 10 to make decisions and run government— number 10 to make decisions and run governmentjust was not number 10 to make decisions and run government just was not there. it was chaotic— government just was not there. it was chaotic before it had to deal with a _ was chaotic before it had to deal with a crisis like covid.— with a crisis like covid. annabel, what did you _ with a crisis like covid. annabel, what did you take _ with a crisis like covid. annabel, what did you take from - with a crisis like covid. annabel, what did you take from it? - with a crisis like covid. annabel, what did you take from it? i - with a crisis like covid. annabel, | what did you take from it? i think with a crisis like covid. annabel, i what did you take from it? i think i was shocked, _ what did you take from it? i think i was shocked, but _ what did you take from it? i think i was shocked, but not _ what did you take from it? i think i was shocked, but not altogether . was shocked, but not altogether surprised — was shocked, but not altogether surprised at _ was shocked, but not altogether surprised at the _ was shocked, but not altogether surprised at the level _ was shocked, but not altogether surprised at the level of - was shocked, but not altogether surprised at the level of chaos . was shocked, but not altogether l surprised at the level of chaos and dysfunction — surprised at the level of chaos and dysfunction within _ surprised at the level of chaos and dysfunction within government - surprised at the level of chaos and dysfunction within government ati surprised at the level of chaos and i dysfunction within government at the time and _ dysfunction within government at the time and i_ dysfunction within government at the time and i was— dysfunction within government at the time and i was pretty— dysfunction within government at the time and i was pretty dismayed - dysfunction within government at the time and i was pretty dismayed at. time and i was pretty dismayed at the level— time and i was pretty dismayed at the level of— time and i was pretty dismayed at the level of blame _ time and i was pretty dismayed at the level of blame shifting - time and i was pretty dismayed at the level of blame shifting that i time and i was pretty dismayed at| the level of blame shifting that we have seen— the level of blame shifting that we have seen this _ the level of blame shifting that we have seen this week— the level of blame shifting that we have seen this week during - the level of blame shifting that we have seen this week during the i the level of blame shifting that we i have seen this week during the covid inquiry _ have seen this week during the covid inquiry. and — have seen this week during the covid inquiry. and i— have seen this week during the covid inquiry. and i would _ have seen this week during the covid inquiry. and i would just— have seen this week during the covid inquiry. and i would just question i inquiry. and i would just question how useful— inquiry. and i would just question how useful it _ inquiry. and i would just question how useful it is _ inquiry. and i would just question how useful it is if— inquiry. and i would just question how useful it is if ultimately, i inquiry. and i would just question how useful it is if ultimately, we. how useful it is if ultimately, we are trying — how useful it is if ultimately, we are trying to _ how useful it is if ultimately, we are trying to establish _ how useful it is if ultimately, we are trying to establish whether. are trying to establish whether lockdown — are trying to establish whether lockdown was _ are trying to establish whether lockdown was the _ are trying to establish whether lockdown was the right - are trying to establish whether lockdown was the right policy. are trying to establish whether. lockdown was the right policy tool and how _ lockdown was the right policy tool and how we — lockdown was the right policy tool and how we are _ lockdown was the right policy tool and how we are going _ lockdown was the right policy tool and how we are going to - lockdown was the right policy tool and how we are going to learn i and how we are going to learn lessons — and how we are going to learn lessons from _ and how we are going to learn lessons from the _ and how we are going to learn lessons from the way - and how we are going to learn lessons from the way we i and how we are going to learn i lessons from the way we responded and how we are going to learn - lessons from the way we responded to this pandemic— lessons from the way we responded to this pandemic and _ lessons from the way we responded to this pandemic and how— lessons from the way we responded to this pandemic and how we _ lessons from the way we responded to this pandemic and how we will- lessons from the way we responded to this pandemic and how we will ensure | this pandemic and how we will ensure we are _ this pandemic and how we will ensure we are better— this pandemic and how we will ensure we are better prepared _ this pandemic and how we will ensure we are better prepared for— this pandemic and how we will ensure we are better prepared for the - we are better prepared for the future, — we are better prepared for the future, it— we are better prepared for the future, it is— we are better prepared for the future, it is a _ we are better prepared for the future, it is a trail— we are better prepared for the future, it is a trail of- we are better prepared for the future, it is a trail of boris i future, it is a trail of boris johnson, _ future, it is a trail of boris johnson, but _ future, it is a trail of boris johnson, but is _ future, it is a trail of boris johnson, but is that - future, it is a trail of boris johnson, but is that really| future, it is a trail of boris i johnson, but is that really the future, it is a trail of boris - johnson, but is that really the best way to— johnson, but is that really the best way to achieve _ johnson, but is that really the best way to achieve that? _ johnson, but is that really the best way to achieve that?— way to achieve that? there are hundreds of— way to achieve that? there are hundreds of days _ way to achieve that? there are hundreds of days of _ way to achieve that? there are hundreds of days of this - way to achieve that? there are| hundreds of days of this inquiry still to go, we have had hundreds of days so far. david penman, do you think civil servants need to reflect on their role somewhat? we heard dominic cummings say in a what's toad borisjohnson in march 2020, we have big problems coming, cabinet office, behind, no pace —— in a 0ffice, behind, no pace —— in a whatsapp message. and saying they were trying to block a shielding plan. that is his evidence. [30 were trying to block a shielding plan. that is his evidence. do not believe it? _ plan. that is his evidence. do not believe it? if— plan. that is his evidence. do not believe it? if you _ plan. that is his evidence. do not believe it? if you look _ plan. that is his evidence. do not believe it? if you look at - believe it? if you look at everything he has said since being in government, he blames everyone for everything and takes no responsibility himself. civil servants... what if it is true? civil— servants... what if it is true? civil servants and to government to try to _ civil servants and to government to try to make — civil servants and to government to try to make a difference and they will accept responsibility. the inquiry— will accept responsibility. the inquiry is _ will accept responsibility. the inquiry is trying to find out what was a _ inquiry is trying to find out what was a genuine mistake and —— in unprecedented circumstances. civil circumstances will give their evidence, most of it on the record, and they— evidence, most of it on the record, and they will— evidence, most of it on the record, and they will have to take responsibility if there is responsibility if there is responsibility on their decision—making. but what we have -ot decision—making. but what we have got in _ decision—making. but what we have got in the _ decision—making. but what we have got in the evidence just now from mr cumminqs— got in the evidence just now from mr cummings is finger pointing, what he did before _ cummings is finger pointing, what he did before he was in government and when _ did before he was in government and when he _ did before he was in government and when he was in government. | did before he was in government and when he was in government. i have known dominic _ when he was in government. i have known dominic cummings - when he was in government. i have known dominic cummings for i when he was in government. i have known dominic cummings for 20 i when he was in government. i isa: known dominic cummings for 20 years, we were together in tory hq and the sort of language we have heard today, he was talking about tory mps in parliament, the way tory hq worked then. 50 in parliament, the way tory hq worked then.— in parliament, the way tory hq worked then. ., , ., , , worked then. so he has always been contemptuous? _ worked then. so he has always been contemptuous? i— worked then. so he has always been contemptuous? i think— worked then. so he has always been contemptuous? i think it _ worked then. so he has always been contemptuous? i think it would i worked then. so he has always been contemptuous? i think it would be l contemptuous? i think it would be wron: to contemptuous? i think it would be wrong to throw — contemptuous? i think it would be wrong to throw the _ contemptuous? i think it would be wrong to throw the baby _ contemptuous? i think it would be wrong to throw the baby out i contemptuous? i think it would be wrong to throw the baby out with . contemptuous? i think it would be i wrong to throw the baby out with the bath water. iain duncan smith in the universal credit experience, he would often find it very difficult that civil servants who said they would do one thing would be gone in six months' time when the target was supposed to be accountable for. there is a problem in the civil service about level of skilling in suv service about level of skilling in guy thing and accountability for long—term decisions. so we should not assume that everything dominic cummings said today was irrelevant. there are problems in the british civil service, it is not the rolls—royce service of legend. civil service, it is not the rolls-royce service of legend. boris johnson will — rolls-royce service of legend. boris johnson will give _ rolls-royce service of legend. boris johnson will give his _ rolls—royce service of legend. boris johnson will give his evidence before christmas, i understand. is he going to be able to call some of this back, do you think, and a bell? i think it is unlikely, his reputation _ i think it is unlikely, his reputation has - i think it is unlikely, his reputation has been i i think it is unlikely, his - reputation has been absolutely dragged — reputation has been absolutely dragged through _ reputation has been absolutely dragged through the _ reputation has been absolutely dragged through the mud. i. reputation has been absolutely| dragged through the mud. i am reputation has been absolutely i dragged through the mud. i am not here to _ dragged through the mud. i am not here to cheerlead _ dragged through the mud. i am not here to cheerlead for— dragged through the mud. i am not here to cheerlead for boris - dragged through the mud. i am noti here to cheerlead for boris johnson, i here to cheerlead for boris johnson, i don't _ here to cheerlead for boris johnson, idon't think— here to cheerlead for boris johnson, idon't think we _ here to cheerlead for boris johnson, i don't think we should _ here to cheerlead for boris johnson, i don't think we should forget - here to cheerlead for boris johnson, i don't think we should forget he i i don't think we should forget he was idon't think we should forget he was our— i don't think we should forget he was our commander—in—chief i i don't think we should forget he i was our commander—in—chief during the pandemic— was our commander—in—chief during the pandemic and _ was our commander—in—chief during the pandemic and the _ was our commander—in—chief during the pandemic and the blame - was our commander—in—chief during the pandemic and the blame stops. the pandemic and the blame stops with him — the pandemic and the blame stops with him. partygate _ the pandemic and the blame stops with him. partygate was— the pandemic and the blame stops| with him. partygate was absolutely inexcusable — with him. partygate was absolutely inexcusable. but _ with him. partygate was absolutely inexcusable. but again, _ with him. partygate was absolutely inexcusable. but again, i— with him. partygate was absolutely inexcusable. but again, i would i with him. partygate was absolutely| inexcusable. but again, i would just reiterate _ inexcusable. but again, i would just reiterate and — inexcusable. but again, i would just reiterate and question _ inexcusable. but again, i would just reiterate and question how- reiterate and question how responsibly— reiterate and question how responsibly it _ reiterate and question how responsibly it is _ reiterate and question how responsibly it is to - reiterate and question how responsibly it is to be i reiterate and question how. responsibly it is to be laying reiterate and question how- responsibly it is to be laying the blame _ responsibly it is to be laying the blame solely— responsibly it is to be laying the blame solely at _ responsibly it is to be laying the blame solely at his _ responsibly it is to be laying the blame solely at his door. - responsibly it is to be laying the blame solely at his door. it- responsibly it is to be laying the blame solely at his door. it is. responsibly it is to be laying the i blame solely at his door. it is good he will_ blame solely at his door. it is good he will have — blame solely at his door. it is good he will have the _ blame solely at his door. it is good he will have the opportunity- blame solely at his door. it is good he will have the opportunity to i he will have the opportunity to defend — he will have the opportunity to defend himself, _ he will have the opportunity to defend himself, i'm _ he will have the opportunity to defend himself, i'm sure i he will have the opportunity toj defend himself, i'm sure there he will have the opportunity to i defend himself, i'm sure there will be many— defend himself, i'm sure there will be many questions _ defend himself, i'm sure there will be many questions thrown - defend himself, i'm sure there will be many questions thrown at i defend himself, i'm sure 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responsible that scheme was at a time when casesi help out and how responsible that - scheme was at a time when cases were so high _ scheme was at a time when cases were so high and _ scheme was at a time when cases were so high and the — scheme was at a time when cases were so high and the numbers— scheme was at a time when cases were so high and the numbers of— scheme was at a time when cases were so high and the numbers of people - so high and the numbers of people dying _ so high and the numbers of people dying from — so high and the numbers of people dying from coronavirus _ so high and the numbers of people dying from coronavirus were - so high and the numbers of people dying from coronavirus were also l so high and the numbers of people | dying from coronavirus were also so high _ dying from coronavirus were also so high what— dying from coronavirus were also so high what we — dying from coronavirus were also so high. what we have _ dying from coronavirus were also so high. what we have learnt - dying from coronavirus were also so high. what we have learnt this - dying from coronavirus were also so| high. what we have learnt this week which _ high. what we have learnt this week which is _ high. what we have learnt this week which is important _ high. what we have learnt this week which is important is _ high. what we have learnt this week which is important is being - high. what we have learnt this week which is important is being given - which is important is being given some _ which is important is being given some understanding _ which is important is being given some understanding of- which is important is being given some understanding of the - which is important is being given i some understanding of the culture and the _ some understanding of the culture and the structures _ some understanding of the culture and the structures and _ some understanding of the culture and the structures and perhaps - some understanding of the culturel and the structures and perhaps why it was— and the structures and perhaps why it was that — and the structures and perhaps why it was that normal _ and the structures and perhaps why it was that normal mechanisms - and the structures and perhaps why it was that normal mechanisms of i it was that normal mechanisms of government— it was that normal mechanisms of government were _ it was that normal mechanisms of government were replaced - it was that normal mechanisms of government were replaced by - government were replaced by impromptu _ government were replaced by impromptu whatsapp- government were replaced by i impromptu whatsapp decisions, government were replaced by - impromptu whatsapp decisions, the scale and _ impromptu whatsapp decisions, the scale and extent _ impromptu whatsapp decisions, the scale and extent of— impromptu whatsapp decisions, the scale and extent of the _ impromptu whatsapp decisions, the scale and extent of the chaos. - impromptu whatsapp decisions, the scale and extent of the chaos. but . scale and extent of the chaos. but hohethetess, _ scale and extent of the chaos. but nonetheless, what _ scale and extent of the chaos. but nonetheless, what we _ scale and extent of the chaos. but nonetheless, what we haven't - scale and extent of the chaos. but l nonetheless, what we haven't heard yet and _ nonetheless, what we haven't heard yet and i_ nonetheless, what we haven't heard yet and i suspect— nonetheless, what we haven't heard yet and i suspect we _ nonetheless, what we haven't heard yet and i suspect we won't - nonetheless, what we haven't heard yet and i suspect we won't is - nonetheless, what we haven't heard yet and i suspect we won't is proper| yet and i suspect we won't is proper scrutiny— yet and i suspect we won't is proper scrutiny of— yet and i suspect we won't is proper scrutiny of the — yet and i suspect we won't is proper scrutiny of the medical _ yet and i suspect we won't is proper scrutiny of the medical and - scrutiny of the medical and scientific— scrutiny of the medical and scientific establishment, . scrutiny of the medical and i scientific establishment, of scrutiny of the medical and - scientific establishment, of the opposition, _ scientific establishment, of the opposition, of— scientific establishment, of the opposition, of the _ scientific establishment, of the opposition, of the devolved - scientific establishment, of the - opposition, of the devolved nations and the _ opposition, of the devolved nations and the way— opposition, of the devolved nations and the way they— opposition, of the devolved nations and the way they responded - opposition, of the devolved nations and the way they responded to - opposition, of the devolved nations and the way they responded to the | and the way they responded to the pandemic — and the way they responded to the pandemic like— and the way they responded to the pandemic. like i— and the way they responded to the pandemic. like i said _ and the way they responded to the pandemic. like i said initially, - and the way they responded to the pandemic. like i said initially, the| pandemic. like i said initially, the most _ pandemic. like i said initially, the most important _ pandemic. like i said initially, the most important question - pandemic. like i said initially, the most important question that - pandemic. like i said initially, the most important question that we i most important question that we should _ most important question that we should be — most important question that we should be asking _ most important question that we should be asking is— most important question that we should be asking is whether- most important question that we - should be asking is whether lockdown was the _ should be asking is whether lockdown was the right— should be asking is whether lockdown was the right measure _ should be asking is whether lockdown was the right measure in— should be asking is whether lockdown was the right measure in response i should be asking is whether lockdown was the right measure in response to| was the right measure in response to a virus _ was the right measure in response to a virus with— was the right measure in response to a virus with the — was the right measure in response to a virus with the fatality _ was the right measure in response to a virus with the fatality rate - was the right measure in response to a virus with the fatality rate that - a virus with the fatality rate that the coronavirus _ a virus with the fatality rate that the coronavirus had. _ a virus with the fatality rate that the coronavirus had. and - a virus with the fatality rate that the coronavirus had. and i- a virus with the fatality rate thatl the coronavirus had. and i feared that this — the coronavirus had. and i feared that this inquiry _ the coronavirus had. and i feared that this inquiry has _ the coronavirus had. and i feared that this inquiry has already- that this inquiry has already reached _ that this inquiry has already reached its _ that this inquiry has already reached its own _ that this inquiry has already reached its own conclusions that this inquiry has already- reached its own conclusions lockdown was the _ reached its own conclusions lockdown was the right— reached its own conclusions lockdown was the right choice _ reached its own conclusions lockdown was the right choice and _ reached its own conclusions lockdown was the right choice and all— reached its own conclusions lockdown was the right choice and all they - was the right choice and all they are looking _ was the right choice and all they are looking to _ was the right choice and all they are looking to do— was the right choice and all they are looking to do is— was the right choice and all they are looking to do is establish- are looking to do is establish whether— are looking to do is establish whether the _ are looking to do is establish whether the timeline - are looking to do is establish whether the timeline was - are looking to do is establish- whether the timeline was correct, whether— whether the timeline was correct, whether we — whether the timeline was correct, whether we locked _ whether the timeline was correct, whether we locked down - whether the timeline was correct, whether we locked down quickly l whether we locked down quickly enough — whether we locked down quickly enough or— whether we locked down quickly enough or for— whether we locked down quickly enough or for long _ whether we locked down quickly enough or for long enough - whether we locked down quickly enough or for long enough and i whether we locked down quickly - enough or for long enough and hard enough. _ enough or for long enough and hard enough. and — enough or for long enough and hard enough, and that— enough or for long enough and hard enough, and that is— enough or for long enough and hard enough, and that is very— enough or for long enough and hard enough, and that is very worrying . enough, and that is very worrying indeed _ enough, and that is very worrying indeed. ., ., ., indeed. could another prime minister. — indeed. could another prime minister, and _ indeed. could another prime minister, and other- indeed. could another prime - minister, and other administration have dealt with this unprecedented health crisis better? == have dealt with this unprecedented health crisis better?— health crisis better? -- another administration. _ health crisis better? -- another administration. probably, - health crisis better? -- another administration. probably, i- health crisis better? -- another administration. probably, iwill| health crisis better? -- another i administration. probably, i will not defend everything toback is said and i think some of his remarks about older people will mean he can never return to front line politics. —— everything borisjohnson said. but i agree with what annabel said, he was asking questions all the time. partly what we saw in these whatsapp messages was a continuous thinking process. i knew how he worked, he was asking questions and being provocative. and i think even from the beginning, he was asking questions about the lockdown which i think would become more relevant over time. the first lockdown was justified, we didn't know if we were dealing with extreme flu or the bubonic plague. his scepticism afterwards about lockdown and implications for children, ghost children who have not been educated properly for two years were legitimate and i think that was the best of boris we saw as well as the worst. ~ . . ~ best of boris we saw as well as the worst. ~ . ., ,, ., ,., worst. we have talked about the culture, worst. we have talked about the culture. the _ worst. we have talked about the culture, the message _ worst. we have talked about the culture, the message from - worst. we have talked about the i culture, the message from dominic cummings about helen macnamara who you say is giving evidence herself tomorrow, one of the top civil servants in the cabinet office. i will personally handcuff her and escort her from the building, will personally handcuff her and escort herfrom the building, i don't care how it is done, but that woman must be out of our hair, we cannot keep dealing with this horrific meltdown of the british state while dodging stilettos from that c word. state while dodging stilettos from that c word-— that c word. what do you make of that? it that c word. what do you make of that? it is — that c word. what do you make of that? it is just — that c word. what do you make of that? it isjust apparent, - that? it isjust apparent, misogynistic.— that? it isjust apparent, misogynistic. that? it isjust apparent, misoa nistic. , . misogynistic. his defence was he was rude about blokes. _ misogynistic. his defence was he was rude about blokes. if _ misogynistic. his defence was he was rude about blokes. if you _ misogynistic. his defence was he was rude about blokes. if you look- misogynistic. his defence was he was rude about blokes. if you look at - rude about blokes. if you look at the language _ rude about blokes. if you look at the language he _ rude about blokes. if you look at the language he is— rude about blokes. if you look at the language he is using, - rude about blokes. if you look at the language he is using, it- rude about blokes. if you look at the language he is using, it is. the language he is using, it is clearly— the language he is using, it is clearly aimed at a woman. the idea that i_ clearly aimed at a woman. the idea that i am _ clearly aimed at a woman. the idea that i am terrible to everyone is not much — that i am terrible to everyone is not much of a defence. it tells you something — not much of a defence. it tells you something about the culture. government is really difficult at the trest— government is really difficult at the best of times, you have to work with people, it is complex, it is difficult, — with people, it is complex, it is difficult, the civil service alone is 450,000 people, 250 organisations, never mind the nhs and tocat— organisations, never mind the nhs and local govern. it is about working _ and local govern. it is about working together. what was the culture — working together. what was the culture in — working together. what was the culture in government? everyone was looking _ culture in government? everyone was looking over — culture in government? everyone was looking over their shoulder, there were _ looking over their shoulder, there were tists — looking over their shoulder, there were lists of permanent secretaries to be _ were lists of permanent secretaries to be sacked in the sunday telegraph weeks _ to be sacked in the sunday telegraph weeks before that happens, that was the language used privately, i doubt there is— the language used privately, i doubt there is a _ the language used privately, i doubt there is a civil servant who is subject— there is a civil servant who is subject of— there is a civil servant who is subject of those whatsapp messages who would not have known that is what _ who would not have known that is what dominic cummings thought of them _ what dominic cummings thought of them as— what dominic cummings thought of them as well. that is not the way to run government because it is not the way to— run government because it is not the way to run— run government because it is not the way to run anything, you would not run a _ way to run anything, you would not run a private — way to run anything, you would not run a private business like that and you cannot — run a private business like that and you cannot run government like that. when _ you cannot run government like that. when i _ you cannot run government like that. when i left _ you cannot run government like that. when i left government, it felt like a frat pack and everything i had today confirmed that, i'm afraid. so is what we are learning from the whatsapp messages and people from dominic cummings and lee cain if you choose to believe them that if another health crisis comes in the future, what have we learned, what has to be different, something has to be, what is it? i has to be different, something has to be, what is it?— to be, what is it? i think there has to be, what is it? i think there has to be, what is it? i think there has to be a much _ to be, what is it? i think there has to be a much clearer— to be, what is it? i think there has to be a much clearer chain - to be, what is it? i think there has to be a much clearer chain of - to be a much clearer chain of command. i think the criticism of cabinet government was legitimate, i don't think cabinet government has worked for a very long time. what group of 30 people can take coherent decisions? we need to change the nature of cabinet government, restoration of cabinet subcommittees and of course the personnel in those cabinet subcommittees matter as well. the quality of, borisjohnson really appointed after brexit people who agreed with him and that was understandable when brexit was raw, but after brexit was passed, he should have invited the big beasts back and had the talent at the cabinet table, that was another failing. back and had all the talent around the table. ~ , ., the table. we must leave it there. thank ou the table. we must leave it there. thank you for— the table. we must leave it there. thank you for being _ the table. we must leave it there. thank you for being with - the table. we must leave it there. thank you for being with us - the table. we must leave it there. i thank you for being with us tonight. sir keir starmer made it clear today he isn't going to bow to pressure from some within his party to call for a ceasefire in the middle east. despite 13 of his shadow frontbench rebelling against that position, he argued in a speech that a ceasefire isn't the �*right way forward' because it would stop israel from dismantling hamas and would �*freeze' the situation as it is, he repeated his call for a �*humanitarian pause' to allow aid into gaza and the hostages out. has the labour leader done enough to reassert his grip on his party? here's nick. let's begin this in an unorthodox way and ask why we are focusing on this guy... and not this guy, who is prime minister well, we're looking at keir starmer because he may become prime minister. and he is facing frontbench dissent on the middle east. that really matters in government because the electorate don't like divided cabinets. so, this kicked off on 11th october, when keir starmer appeared to suggest that it was ok for israel to cut off water supplies to gaza. it took nine days for him to correct the record. cue labour outrage and frontbenchers and senior figures putting pressure on keir starner by demanding on keir starmer by demanding that he endorse a ceasefire in gaza. now, this confusion and division may have damaged keir starmer�*s standing, though not necessarily his party's. polling by deltapoll shows a recent 12—point drop in his personal ratings, though there has been an increase in labour's vote share. certified data shows if there has beenin certified data shows if there has been in impact it has been to the personal brand of keir starmer and not the labour party in general. personal ratings for keir starmer are what we call an absolute measure whether he is up or down by the voting intention question is a relative measure, it is conservative versus labour and while people may be less positive about keir starmer it does not mean that they're more positive about conservative party. keir starmer knew he had to steady the ship. so a speech today in which he did two big things. firstly, sticking to his fundamental position — no to a ceasefire in gaza which would, he said, allow hamas to maintain its infrastructure by freezing the conflict where it is now, but yes to humanitarian pauses. our current calls for a pause in the fighting, for clear and specific humanitarian purposes, and which must start immediately is right in practice as well as principal. in fact it is at this moment the only credible approach that has any chance of achieving what we all want to see in gaza. the urgent alleviation of palestinian suffering. and that carefully crafted section was designed to answer the deep concerns in the labour movement over the plight of palestinians in gaza by saying, my idea is the best way of helping them. and that takes us into the second big aim of the speech — keir starmer fitting his speech into labour's internationalist tradition by saying that he wants to tackle the two tragedies — what he called hamas terrorism in israel and the humanitarian catastrophe in gaza. at every stage during this crisis my approach has been driven by the need to respond to both these tragedies. to stand by the right to self defence of any nation which suffers terrorism on this scale. alongside the basic human rights of innocent palestinians court once again in the crossfire. so a big picture speech with a very big message at the end aimed at his party and this country to show how he would tackle this ancient conflict — no to open—ended military action. the only way is a political agreement based around two states. not enough for these protestors and not enough for some senior labourfigures. but has keir starmer taken the sting out of this issue with his party? this commentator thinks he has... i think keir starmer had to walk a fine tight rope to date, and how he approached the speech. he could approached the speech. he could approach it as leader of the opposition and act as though he could call for the thing everyone really wants but actually it is difficult to see the route to a ceasefire on a practical level because no one thinks that hamas is about to sign up to it or he could approach it as someone who expects and wants to be prime minister in the nearfuture. i think he really did do that and managed to be clear that the labour party is a big tent and everyone is in agreement in the end but saying that there is some disagreement on the means. a calmer atmosphere for now. but the news from gaza tonight means those calls for a ceasefire will continue to be heard in the labour movement. now, tomorrow, bbc iplayer will launch "the whoniverse", the ultimate collection of more than 800 doctor who episodes, documentaries, specials, plus a new series starring old doctors and companions. it's all part of the programme's 60th anniversary celebrations. when the show was relaunched by russell t davies in 2005 it enjoyed a standard of storytelling, character development and special effects its original run could only dream of. but not everyone has been happy about the doctor's new adventures. some have accused the programme of smuggling social commentary into its plotlines. a sign of the times? or was it ever thus? tv historian toby hadoke takes a trip into the doctor's political past. dr who theme music. monsters. excitement. running up and down corridors. cybermen at st paul's. yeti in the underground. daleks in westminster. when doctor who started, the day afterjohn kennedy's assassination, it certainly hit the ground running. lauding its high standards, the stage's marjorie norris correctly predicted that it would capture a much wider audience. but audiences are fickle things. meaning? well, never mind the time wars. we're talking about the culture wars. our purpose is to amuse. simply to amuse. nothing serious, nothing political. humans have flooded this planet with plastics that can't be fully broken down. so much so that you're ingesting microparticles whether you know it or not. some argue that the family entertainment show that sent us scurrying behind the sofa is now sullying itself with the dirty business of social commentary. doctor who, like the bbc, has always reflected the philosophy and the values of the establishment of its time. in the past that establishment was a little more small c conservative. today it's politically correct. so it's no surprise to me that they are churning out a programme like much of what else is on the bbc, that is really liberal left in its values. this isn't what dr who was like when we were younger. it was monsters and explosions and all that sort of thing, wasn't it? look at them... in 2010, the tabloids were apoplectic when they were 22 years late in discovering that a young script editor who talked about overthrowing the conservative government during hisjob interview had allowed a tyrannical parody of the iron lady onto the programme. why? for the good of the majority! andrew cartmel went on newsnight to explain himself. the character was a take on mrs thatcher. absolutely. take no prisoners! i suppose one of the things that we did on my era of who is that it did have a certain bite of reality to it, like a street level reality, notably in survival, which is set on council estates. and i think it's the way to go, because social realism is the ideal backdrop for a science fiction fantasy story. but once you do start shooting in a recognisable london suburb, you are presented with the challenge of actually telling a story that operates in the real world. that arose particularly in remembrance of the daleks set in london in the 19605. the companion is going to look in the window of the boarding house and discover a sign that says "no coloureds". i think this is rich and valuable social critique. during the early 19705, john pertwee's doctor was revelling in social commentary. segregation... one story took on colonialism and apartheid... money for all of us! in another capitalist chemical waste is at odds with a bunch of hippies... more muck, more devastation! never mind green issues. what about the green death? and then there's the planet peladon which tries to gain entry into the common market... sorry, galactic federation. but not everyone is on board. i know the federation's real intent. the federation's real intent is to help you. the same planet is later in the grip of a miners' strike. the federation told us things would be better. i seek menace where there may be none. and what about 1968's production team, venting theirfury on the peace movement... destroy! ..by having a pacifist society put down by sadistic alien invaders. whilst another writer used a story to fulminate about paying tax. the taxes. i can't pay the taxes. oh, the taxes, my dear old thing, all you need is a wily accountant. in fact, this was intended as a satire on the labour party's government, on taxes which were insane and out of control. and the villain in it looks not unlike denis healey. and satire has long had a place in doctor who. they may have found massive weapons of destruction, capable of being deployed within 45 seconds. what? so have doctor who writers just been reflecting the world they know? everybody run! if you're creating an imaginary world, at some level, it's going to reflect the world you live in. i don't particularly think politics should be smuggled into any kind of show. you're here to tell the truth as best you can and tell stories that are meaningful as best you can. how you vote, is a very, very low resolution version of how you think. choosing one side or the other. i mean, if you did that, if you just smuggled politics in, as you put it, you'd be writing nothing but propaganda. and propaganda, even propaganda in a good cause,
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