around the government's plans to send some asylum seekers to rwanda, which you remember faced a send some asylum seekers to rwanda, which you rememberfaced a number of legal challenges as soon as they were introduced more than a year and a half ago. the government is expected to introduce a bill that ministers say it will aim to block the legal challenges. there is debate within the conservative party about how far that bill should go, what that bill should include. the first thing is, suella braverman saying, it must come in her view, to supply the european convention on human rights. the second thing, suella braverman was sacked by rishi sunak as home secretary and since then she has really been seen as a potential flag then she has really been seen as a potentialflag bearer then she has really been seen as a potential flag bearer for the then she has really been seen as a potentialflag bearerfor the right potential flag bearer for the right of potentialflag bearerfor the right of the conservative party who want to see tougher action on migration, want to see the prime minister going further to get their plans to send some asylum seekers to rwanda up and running. i think this is part of her setting out her stall to be that flag bearerfor the right of setting out her stall to be that flag bearer for the right of the conservative party and potentially a future conservative leader. in conservative party and potentially a future conservative leader. in doing so does she — future conservative leader. in doing so does she exacerbate _ future conservative leader. in doing so does she exacerbate divisions i so does she exacerbate divisions within the party? do you think this is an early bid for leadership, her own leadership running up to the next election, which, by the way, she mentioned? the next election, which, by the way, she mentioned?— next election, which, by the way, she mentioned? the divisions in the conservative — she mentioned? the divisions in the conservative party _ she mentioned? the divisions in the conservative party on _ she mentioned? the divisions in the conservative party on this _ she mentioned? the divisions in the conservative party on this issue - she mentioned? the divisions in the conservative party on this issue in i conservative party on this issue in particular are very real and very deep. other conservative mp said last night, if the government did to supply the european convention on human rights, go against its commitment to human rights, that would be a red line for them and a lot of ministers are deeply concerned about that prospect. so the divisions within the conservative party are very real, particularly on this issue about how far this bill should go to try and prevent the legal challenges to their plan to send some asylum seekers to rwanda. we are expecting that bill, ministers say, shortly. thank you very much indeed, harry farley from westminster and outlining the main points suella braverman�*s speech. she is the former home secretary and was fired by the current prime minister, rishi sunak. herspeech by the current prime minister, rishi sunak. her speech was primarily centred on the subject of migration. you are watching bbc news. let's return now to the other ongoing story, which is attracting a great deal of attention. the former uk prime minister borisjohnson has been giving evidence to the uk covid inquiry this morning. this afternoon, this is one of two days he will be giving evidence. he has admitted to the covid inquiry he should have tweaked, he put it, how serious the virus was sooner than he did. he also began to realise as soon as he saw footage from italy, which rattled him. he defended not sharing five cobra meetings in early 2020 saying the virus seem to be a cloud on the horizon. here is ali price. to summarise what we seem to be hearing recently in the last hour or so, be hearing recently in the last hour orso, perhaps be hearing recently in the last hour or so, perhaps a be hearing recently in the last hour orso, perhaps a bit be hearing recently in the last hour or so, perhaps a bit more, be hearing recently in the last hour orso, perhaps a bit more, is be hearing recently in the last hour or so, perhaps a bit more, is a description about what happened at the beginning of the pandemic when decisions were being made about restrictions. what can we glean about this change of track by the prime minister? i about this change of track by the prime minister?— prime minister? i think what has been interesting _ prime minister? i think what has been interesting today _ prime minister? i think what has been interesting today has - prime minister? i think what has been interesting today has been| prime minister? i think what has . been interesting today has been the tone about what was going on in those early few months about taking the virus seriously enough and indeed what action needed to be taken because of it. what was interesting, in the last hour we have had borisjohnson felt mass gatherings should have been cancelled area or banned earlier. you may remember he appeared at a rugby match in early march where england beat wales at twickenham. he was seen in the crowd there and then a week later there was the cheltenham festival, the racing festival. he said he felt he shouldn't necessary have listened to the scientific advice. the scientific advice at the time was those mass gatherings could go ahead. we heard from professor sir chris whitty last week, he said he felt that advice was probably wrong. not because there's necessarily massive possibility the virus would spread because of those mass gatherings, but the message it sent out. we heard from borisjohnson today kind of agreeing with that. it is the mixed messaging that made the government not seem like it was taking it seriously enough. we are joined now by a couple of people... just to be clear, his argument was, if you don't allow this mass gatherings to go ahead, what will happen is people will collect in other environments which will be more dangerous?— other environments which will be more dangerous? absolutely right. it seaks to more dangerous? absolutely right. it speaks to the — more dangerous? absolutely right. it speaks to the broader _ more dangerous? absolutely right. it speaks to the broader point - more dangerous? absolutely right. it speaks to the broader point he - more dangerous? absolutely right. it speaks to the broader point he has i speaks to the broader point he has been making this afternoon. it wasn't as straightforward as just banning things. he have to take into account all the other parts to it, if you like, the impact on the economy for example and the impact on what people would do instead. let's bring in a couple of people who have been watching this afternoon. you have been here because he very sadly lost people during the pandemic. it has been a big day, larry byrne, what have you heard from borisjohnson this morning and this afternoon, anything that has changed your mind on what happened? ida. that has changed your mind on what ha ened? ., , that has changed your mind on what hauened? ., , ., , happened? no, sadly. i have “ust been listening i happened? no, sadly. i have “ust been listening to i happened? no, sadly. i have “ust been listening to more i happened? no, sadly. i havejust been listening to more evidencel been listening to more evidence given— been listening to more evidence given that he classed people in care homes _ given that he classed people in care homes as_ given that he classed people in care homes as bed blockers, being taken into hospital and being bed blockers and anybody over the age of 18 years of age _ and anybody over the age of 18 years of age has _ and anybody over the age of 18 years of age has basically had their innings _ of age has basically had their innings. and they've seen the best of life _ innings. and they've seen the best of life and — innings. and they've seen the best of life and should be gone, more or less _ of life and should be gone, more or less i_ of life and should be gone, more or less i feel— of life and should be gone, more or less. i feel totally let down, totally — less. i feel totally let down, totally betrayed by himself and the rest of _ totally betrayed by himself and the rest of the government to think that he partied _ rest of the government to think that he partied and things went on behind closed _ he partied and things went on behind closed doors in number ten downing st. i closed doors in number ten downing st ifeel_ closed doors in number ten downing st ifeei it _ closed doors in number ten downing st. i feel it is the tip of the iceberg _ st. i feel it is the tip of the iceberg-— st. ifeel it is the tip ofthe iceberu. �* ., ., iceberg. amos, you have come from manchester — iceberg. amos, you have come from manchester for _ iceberg. amos, you have come from manchester for this _ iceberg. amos, you have come from manchester for this today. _ iceberg. amos, you have come from manchester for this today. anything | manchester for this today. anything you have heard that has changed your... you are not impressed when he spoke this morning? still unimpressed _ he spoke this morning? still unimpressed is _ he spoke this morning? still unimpressed is a _ he spoke this morning? still unimpressed is a good description to say the _ unimpressed is a good description to say the least — unimpressed is a good description to say the least he _ unimpressed is a good description to say the least. he was _ unimpressed is a good description to say the least. he was trying - 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evidence to fit in with the scientific evidence and i evidence to fit in with the - scientific evidence and things about asymptomatic, _ scientific evidence and things about asymptomatic, that _ scientific evidence and things about asymptomatic, that she _ scientific evidence and things about asymptomatic, that she seems- scientific evidence and things about asymptomatic, that she seems to l scientific evidence and things about. asymptomatic, that she seems to be more _ asymptomatic, that she seems to be more about — asymptomatic, that she seems to be more about the _ asymptomatic, that she seems to be more about. the reality— asymptomatic, that she seems to be more about. the reality is, _ asymptomatic, that she seems to be more about. the reality is, although| more about. the reality is, although he said _ more about. the reality is, although he said he _ more about. the reality is, although he said he was— more about. the reality is, although he said he was balancing _ more about. the reality is, although he said he was balancing all- more about. the reality is, although he said he was balancing all these . he said he was balancing all these factors— he said he was balancing all these factors together, _ he said he was balancing all these factors together, the _ he said he was balancing all these factors together, the only- he said he was balancing all these i factors together, the only comments that are _ factors together, the only comments that are recorded _ factors together, the only comments that are recorded and _ factors together, the only comments that are recorded and people - factors together, the only comments that are recorded and people talk - that are recorded and people talk about— that are recorded and people talk about are — that are recorded and people talk about are these _ that are recorded and people talk about are these incredibly- that are recorded and people talk about are these incredibly painful and traumatic— about are these incredibly painful and traumatic comments, - about are these incredibly painful and traumatic comments, like . about are these incredibly painful . and traumatic comments, like larry said, _ and traumatic comments, like larry said. people — and traumatic comments, like larry said. people like _ and traumatic comments, like larry said, people like my— and traumatic comments, like larry said, people like my grandma - and traumatic comments, like larry said, people like my grandma who. and traumatic comments, like larry. said, people like my grandma who had had a _ said, people like my grandma who had had a good _ said, people like my grandma who had had a good innings. _ said, people like my grandma who had had a good innings. the _ said, people like my grandma who had had a good innings. the other- had a good innings. the other comments. _ had a good innings. the other comments, they— had a good innings. the other comments, they are - had a good innings. the other comments, they are just - had a good innings. the other comments, they are just not. had a good innings. the other- comments, they are just not there. where _ comments, they are just not there. where are — comments, they are just not there. where are the _ comments, they are just not there. where are the comments— comments, they are just not there. where are the comments being - where are the comments being recorded — where are the comments being recorded saying _ where are the comments being recorded saying i— where are the comments being recorded saying i am _ where are the comments being recorded saying i am finding. where are the comments being i recorded saying i am finding this hard _ recorded saying i am finding this hard to— recorded saying i am finding this hard to make _ recorded saying i am finding this hard to make this— recorded saying i am finding this hard to make this decision. - recorded saying i am finding this hard to make this decision. it. recorded saying i am finding this hard to make this decision. it isi hard to make this decision. it is not, _ hard to make this decision. it is not. it's— hard to make this decision. it is not. it's like _ hard to make this decision. it is not, it's like he's— hard to make this decision. it is not, it's like he's trying - hard to make this decision. it is not, it's like he's trying to - hard to make this decision. it is| not, it's like he's trying to make that up~ — not, it's like he's trying to make that up~ lots— not, it's like he's trying to make that up. lots of— not, it's like he's trying to make that up. lots of comments - not, it's like he's trying to makel that up. lots of comments about not, it's like he's trying to make - that up. lots of comments about the economy— that up. lots of comments about the economy and — that up. lots of comments about the economy and we _ that up. lots of comments about the economy and we know _ that up. lots of comments about the economy and we know at _ that up. lots of comments about the economy and we know at that - economy and we know at that particular— economy and we know at that particular time, _ economy and we know at that particular time, he _ economy and we know at that particulartime, he hasn't- economy and we know at that. particulartime, he hasn't been asked — particulartime, he hasn't been asked about _ particulartime, he hasn't been asked about this _ particulartime, he hasn't been asked about this this _ particulartime, he hasn't been asked about this this morning, | particular time, he hasn't been. asked about this this morning, but the government— asked about this this morning, but the government was _ asked about this this morning, but the government was focused - asked about this this morning, but the government was focused on i asked about this this morning, but - the government was focused on brexit at the _ the government was focused on brexit at the beginning — the government was focused on brexit at the beginning of— the government was focused on brexit at the beginning of the _ the government was focused on brexit at the beginning of the year, - at the beginning of the year, substantially. _ at the beginning of the year, substantially. he _ at the beginning of the year, substantially. he missed - at the beginning of the year, | substantially. he missed five at the beginning of the year, - substantially. he missed five cobra meetings, _ substantially. he missed five cobra meetings, he — substantially. he missed five cobra meetings, he wasn't _ substantially. he missed five cobra meetings, he wasn't interested - substantially. he missed five cobra meetings, he wasn't interested at. meetings, he wasn't interested at that period — meetings, he wasn't interested at that period and _ meetings, he wasn't interested at that period and the _ meetings, he wasn't interested at that period and the time - meetings, he wasn't interested at that period and the time he - meetings, he wasn't interested at that period and the time he gavel meetings, he wasn't interested at. that period and the time he gave his speech— that period and the time he gave his speech on— that period and the time he gave his speech on the — that period and the time he gave his speech on the fourth _ that period and the time he gave his speech on the fourth or _ that period and the time he gave his speech on the fourth or 5th - that period and the time he gave his speech on the fourth or 5th of - speech on the fourth or 5th of february— speech on the fourth or 5th of february in _ speech on the fourth or 5th of february in greenwich, - speech on the fourth or 5th of february in greenwich, he - speech on the fourth or 5th of| february in greenwich, he was talking — february in greenwich, he was talking about _ february in greenwich, he was talking about some _ february in greenwich, he was talking about some country. february in greenwich, he was. talking about some country taking february in greenwich, he was- talking about some country taking of its clock— talking about some country taking of its clock and — talking about some country taking of its clock and spectacles _ talking about some country taking of its clock and spectacles are - talking about some country taking of its clock and spectacles are not - talking about some country taking of its clock and spectacles are not let . its clock and spectacles are not let the economy— its clock and spectacles are not let the economy suffer. _ its clock and spectacles are not let the economy suffer. that - its clock and spectacles are not let the economy suffer. that was - its clock and spectacles are not let the economy suffer. that was his i the economy suffer. that was his mentality — the economy suffer. that was his mentality and _ the economy suffer. that was his mentality and he's _ the economy suffer. that was his mentality and he's trying - the economy suffer. that was his mentality and he's trying to - mentality and he's trying to retrofit _ mentality and he's trying to retrofit as _ mentality and he's trying to retrofit as evidence - mentality and he's trying to retrofit as evidence looking| mentality and he's t