everyone come i am laura ingraham and this isnight. "the ingraham angle" reportingin from texas. thank you for joining us tonight. this is a fox news alert, a historic moment president trump filling guilty all 34 counts. we will go live in just a moment but first. i guess we all need what, toat i shop at banana republic from now on because that is what it feels like, yeah, sa ba banana repubc and i wish there was something n to laugh about but there is not. this is disgraceful day that america may never recover from here the jury convicted trump oe all 34 counts of falsifying business records in order to6 interfere with 2016 presidential election. we will break that all down for our you but from the beginning this case should have never been brought. this judge should never be allowed to sit on the case. these charges should never have been dismissed when the first motion filed by the defense. t the jury instructions were fatally flawed to come flawed, farcical. you don't have to be a former law clerk to know this was a travesty. all along bragg case was an extension otherwise doomed bidel campaign. this is a humiliating day for e all love. that wove. it makes us look like a joke ton the rest of the world, is this what they meant by the american way? democrats have shown us wh o they really are. they don't intenpod to give up power, not ever. funny, that is what they like to accuse trump of herod and this law fare is rewarded in november, it will mean never again will you have a real choice in the presidential electionnts on t. you may be will choose between two candidates on minor disagreements on the big issueshe but never again will you be abla to elect someone who makes fundamental changes again, not at our border,t not with thesekb wars wars and places like ukraine and not our economic f policy. think about this, donald trump gave up fame, fortune, and a t very comfortable life to try to save america from the forceshe that are trying to tear it down right now. if they can do this to someone like donald trump with his means, it will be very difficult to ever turn this around. at least he has the money and the resources right now to fight the case is being broughtwill against him, including this and the appeals that will follow, but most peoplree will never ger this for. so, are we going to establish a precedent where the president can put his political opponent in jail? because if they can doe you, th, this will, i promise you, this will be the new normal. the democrats are showing you real power is like. it is the type of power we usually see dictators exercise anin china, cuba, and north kore and if anyone threatens the establishment in the future, the democrats will use the same playbook: charge someone like i don't knowtion j.d. vance or ron desantis in a liberal jurisdiction on bogus charges and then have a radical judge and down jury instructions that will make it almost impossible for a jury not to convict them of something. so, these great defenders of democracy would rather ruin the public's faith in the entire american system.stro they would rather lay waste toud thice constitution. they would rather destroy the credibility of the u.s. judicial system pin risk the real possibility that the people will elect aa common sense populace again like trump. if you allow them to get away with this, my friends from if it goes down in the history books that trump was winning until convicted of a crime in ath liberal jurisdiction, if trump goes on to lose the presidency,o then this will become the model how the left will hang onto power forever. the now, the left is gleefulthey tonight, no doubt be reducing them inti o the streets cheerinm pumping their fist. i can only imagine the comin book deal, the 12 saviors of o democracy.ow the interviews on the today'sc show and nearly panel on nbc. they are thinking the 15 is the real loser here bu reat really,e are all the losers spirit because if this is allowed to stand and if these people aren't thrown out of office with an exclamation point, we will be forced to live in a one-party state for the foreseeable fu future. the only recourswithe now is wih the appellate process as slow a it is, but more importantly, with you the voters. given how things have gone, we will have moreif luck with the people. if this feels bad tonight, think of how you will feel if biden and harris win again. so, i say this might turn the start date to recommit yourselft to save america from thesehe vindictive, poor left tyrants, volunteer, donate, organize and even reach out to others who may have followed the trail. explain how this reverberatesbi far beyond trump and how it threatens our ability to affect real political change in thethit fewer the my future.be today cannot be the end for the line of american exceptionalism. but it will be if we sit on her hands andon't o despair. so don't get mad, get motivated. when he may now from right outside of the court house, andy macarthur, former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district oy f new york, and jonathan turley, professor at g.w. law school and both s fox news contributor and alshao shannon bream host of "fox news sunday." andy come i want to start withyo you, theu question what the juo actually concluded and jonathan, you were touching earlier on this on fox. you made a point that the follow on or bump up crime to make this a felony was never specified int the jury returned that came in,f and the actual verdict itself w although youas heard alvin bragg say this was -- he was convicted on essentially a conspiracy to subvert democracy. so, who is right here? unwhat was trump actuallys convicted of by unanimous jury?a >> well, the charges in the o indictment, and i guess formally what will go down in the judgment conviction, are as you said to come alora come of 34 counts of falsification of busis records with fraudulent intent to conceal another crimes that sounds dried, but what was pitched to the jury and reallyua was pitched by bragg publicly ia a very peculiar way of the day that theasic indictment was ret6 was basically a scheme to stealo the 2016 election. i sort of stumble over that because what is amazing to me about thisenie is bragg is anho election denier. he wears it like a badge of arehonor, even as election denl is the worst thing you can beat in public life. i guess it depends on which election it is. but the reason i say it was veru peculiar from day one is usually the prosecutor has the narrativt that you want to present to the jury in the indictment. it becomes the framework that you plead the charges and peered in aetur very strange way here,e grand jury returned a fairly bare-bones indictment, which laid out the statutory elements ofd the business records crime. coterminous lee with that, bragl put out on his own, not for the grand juryis what he called thes this narrative about basically trump defrauding the united states out of what would otherwise have been the delight of having the hillary clintooon presidency yao and i don't mean to be too snarky about it but you just need to read it. that is basically what it says. it relies explicitly on inadmissible evidence against trump. and it lies as a bedrock matter on this idea michael cohen pled guilty to campaign finance violations, and therefore, the fact that there was this conspiracy to violate the campaign laws and thereby suppress politically damaging information was like an established fact here that isid certainly how judge merchan treated it. >> laura: jonathan, if that is the case, why did judge merchann not allow the former fec commissioner to testify? if this was such an open and shut case of electionatio interference that was aided and abetted by the so-called falsification of business records by trump, even though he didn't personally do that, whyc not let the jury hear about what the fec really was thinking on this matter? >> well, you know, laura, the problem i saw in that ruling isy not that he said it is histo responsibility to say what the law is. that is true.ha it is up to the trial judge to give those ins instructions. the problem is d he never gave e instructions. that is the instructions he gave did not go into any meaningful detail on what would constitute a federal election offense. it had some information, but it was in complete. that is why the defense wanted to bring in a legal expert. one of the most telling things that that expert would have brought in, smith, is he said, "look, not only is hush money not a campaign contribution, that has been long established,f but even if it were ain contribution, it could not have been part of a conspiracy to influence the selection becausel itec would have had to been actually revealed until after the election." filings so under -- that is under a matter of dates and filings in the ju neve regulations. it is not a matter of interpretation here are the jury was never told that. so theju jury heard becausepr judge merchan allowed them to hear it, the prosecutor stated over and over again it was an established fact that election violation occurred here and that trump order those violations. that included in the closing arguments and many of us weren mystified because the judge had given an instruction that cohen's plea agreement could not be use sd tote refuse the guiltf trump. then josh steinglass repeatedly did that. judge merchan would do nothingy. about it. that is the reason i don't blame this jury. what they heard in that room ank the instructions they were given probably to some of them made it look like they have no choice but to convict. and that is the problem. >> laura: i'm not even sure how much it's worth unpacking-g this, shannon, because from the get-go, this was a flawed and. novel application of this statute. we alln' know as lawyers whyst prosecutors don't likeat using novely il applications of statu, especially in high-profile cases because of the possibilityis likely possibility of a reversal. but in this case, they don't seem too concerned about getting reversed. they want to get to the result. >> yeah, if the result is to get it donete and get a coke conviction before th e election, then mission accomplished for alvin bragg. remember when he started talkine about this a year ago, thet, indictment coming together, there were people right, left, center who thought this was a weak case and thata bad decisiod a countable by alvin bragg. many on the left did not thinkhe would pay off. they knew it was novel, yet, he was willing to roll the dice. we have seen new york to curries and judges have not been t friendly to president trump so a it is a good jurisdiction to try something novel. yoanu are right, a good chance s we have all talked about many t things, that this trump will put together an appeal. many things they can point to and even if they ultimately winb come it won't matter for the selection.pon ov it gets you months, months down, the road to get this point even if overturned but in the meantime, the biden/harris campaign a talking point about a d forntion peere president trump, he did an h interview with "fox news digital post quote and he's never had more support.fu we see the website is fund-raising arm is having trouble. is thaes ht because it is overls with people who want to weigh in now?d im it gives a fresh talking point in the real verdict comesg november 5th and i would imagine him to keep using that i languae over and over again until people if you don't like this verdict, i need yooughu to showp in november. >> laura: i want to go back to what i brought up with andy and also with jonathan. whatand alvin bragg said tonigt and whether that was borne out what the jury concluded, at least what we know about the jury concluded about that bump up crime to the felony.n watch. speak withis this type of white-collar prosecution is coro what we do at the manhattan district attorney's office. in the 1930s, district attorney thomas dewey ushered in the era of the modern, independent, professional prosecutor.s in we are now nearly 90 yearsupon dedicated professionals in this office have built upon that fine tradition. donald j. trump is guilty of 34e counts of falsifying business records inme first degree to conceal a scheme to corrupt 2016 election. >> laura: andy, do we know that the jury actually unanimously concluded that? >> no, that is what they unanimously concluded is theou business records convictionst .n bit about conspiracy to steal the election is alvin bragg's narrative about the conviction spirit but, you know, will come the victors write the history. w and if this gets upheld on appeal, i don't think it will but if it does, that is how itiw will go down in history. it certainly, laura, how whitby written in the press tomorrow.rn the one trying to think about this set going forward for anyone whoen comes along to challenge an incumbent like donald trump?. what precedent does this set? >> i t is not good precedent. and i think when people perhaps some celebrating tonight and the celebrations are occurring alltm around us, i think that some may look back at this and wonder what we have done because there is great damage here. you know, the reference toadde thomas to a was confusing, in my view. it was maddening. thomas dewey ran against truman and he didn't try to put truman and jail. so i don't see bragg as a thomab dewey. l be part of ail very troubling legacy for not just bragg but for the new york legal system. it is a sad day. and i knowtrum that everyone basically fulfilled their narrative tonight, right? trump waicaln ths able to show s a political prosecution that gave him vere iny little chancen manhattan. i think that is pretty accurate. the other side fulfilled their narrative that he is a convicted felon here those narratives have existed for some time, and the politics of that we will have to see. but when it comes to the law, i think we also have to take that leap of faith and believe that we have a legal system that is stronger than all of this, that the people around here who are celebrating the demise of anrily individual are going to be disappointed because it isn't necessarily a demise. trump did not look like he was surprised at all. some defendants look like they are heading to jail. he looked likeer he was headingo dinner. he really did not register it. this is going to be a long road. and we are going to see how it plays out.>> but i have faith in the legal system. >> laura: well, andy and jonathan, shannon, thank you all so much for your joiningdg me nw judge janine pyro host of the "the five." ce s judge janine, a scar on the i new york justice system and he failed to keep fighting to maintain the election will be the most important day in theju history of our country. and i want to givedg props to y judge because when i thought i sasew one or two jurors on that jury who come i don't know seem to me a little bit skeptical of the whole process, you said to me, "don't bank on it. this is a new york jury commend thosule lawyers on the panel wod have a lot of influence on the rest of the jurors. "this is our area of expertise, listen to this. your comment on whatu you sawa today. >> you know, it is a sad day. i think america went over a cliff today. the indictment alone but now ths conviction of a former president of the united states on two dead misdemeanors that weretake resurrected to life by a judgerl who was not taken out of the ant wheel but literally picked outaa because of his anti-trump bias. and a case that was advancedja before the election as opposed to those defendants who were in jail waiting for trial, whose turn it is to go to trial. and the fact that they had a magic show where they literally resurrected these misdemeanors and brought them to live througi gha felony that none of us knewd anything about with a judgeth saying "you don't have to be unanimous on the specificsatio whether it is a federal election campaign violation, a federal tax crime, or a bookkeepinwgo crime." which ofever know those it was, and of course, they have no jurisdiction over t ththose cases either, laura. and i can go on and on. but this was a magic show where they basically said, look over here! we have stormy daniels and isn't she interesting. look over here, we have michael cohen and he was convicted of federal election campaign violation!on c and david packer had a a nonprosecution with the federal election campaign people. and as ath matter of law, michael cohen is aiding and abetting emphysema locations as their defendant. so what the judge did, he gave the jury no choice, laura.ttin what he said his michael cohen when was aiding and abetting the same allegations this president is charged with or thisac defendant. so, the jury did what they thought they werd e supposed too and brought back a verdict.so which is not only a sad day but what it does to me is someone who hat s done this for a living for 32 years, itpowe reminds mef the power of indictment, the power of a prosecutor. when we have george soros funded prosecutors and we have the department of justice and the biden administration dropping down prosecutors so they can assist the local das, we've got a kangaroo court. but make no mistake, i still believe in the system, laura, because i came up with it. this case is riddled with reversible error and it will be reversed but after the election. le a>> laura: how about, you can imagine -- given how this has gone i'm i thinksume people are wrong to assume, judge, they will not try to put trump eithec behind powers or basically geo-fence him and so he can't really campaign and he needs to ask permission every time hel genewants to do a rally and that permission, i will get back to you next week here at or it will be tought probation until november 5th. i don't put anything past them. so you have more faith in the new york judicial system,ruly te perhaps, because you grew up in it when it was truly the great das who had a story and history of taking down the real criminals in the city, not this nonsense with this novel application of the law. but t i'm very concerned about this attempt to remove trump from the campaign trail when he is cutting through with minorit, voters, especially in places like chicago, philly, and maybe even l.a., which i know the trump campaign wants to do an event inh as. >> i think this judge said july 11th as sentencing date. a judge can do any number ofap things butpe this team will ask for bail, pending a deal and if not granted, they will go to appellatdoe division to get bai. this whole thing is about walking donald trump down. laura, you were a trial lawyer and you an gd i both know you, o don't let a jury go for seven b days and say, "look, comare baco after you have a few barbecues over memorial day weekend." the whole intent was to keepstop donald trump lockdown. i agree they will do everything to stop him. but what they have done iss ou awakened a sleeping giant.pres everybody listens to the indictments out there but they have convicted a former president of the united states or probable future president of felonies based on a porn star. and a serial perjurer, michael cohen when. was the linchpin of this. you ask an ordinartheyy americag what did donald trump do? they will not be able to tell you.suppor our job right now is to continue to have faith and support this man as he goes forward because he is the strongest man i have ever met, laura. >> laura: i will repeat it, judge,al don't get mad, get motivated. judge, great to see you asco always pure joining me floridato congressman, byron donalds. congressman might have to say, this is happening as i alluded r to with judge jeanine at the same time that we really see trump starting to eat away at tt the democrat's edge with minority voters. and i think they were in a pool, frothy panic about biden and harris going up against trumplem unle