losing the governor's race in the deep red state of kentucky, you can add to your list. >> willie, i wrote this down. i've been working. >> copy off your paper. >> the trump culture of winning. are you ready? now, after last night's results, trump and his republican party have lost the elections in 2017, 2018, 2019 -- hold on, let's see -- no, they also lost in 2020, they lost in 2021, so maybe they won in 20 -- no, no, trump republicans lost in 2022 and they lost in 2023. they don't really, the crazy thing is, you look at these primary voters they don't really care. donald trump is the political heroin of losing. take a shot of 2016 and lie back and smiling while your party loses in 2017, '18, '19 '20 and coming back in 2024. >> yeah, daniel cameron the republican, rising star in the republican party was backed by donald trump in the state of kentucky, ran a tough race and lost by five points, the democrat governor andy beshear won impressively last night. the democrat in a state that donald trump won by 26 points, beshear won handily by five points. this was donald trump and mitch mcconnell's candidate there. a big loss for them there. a big issue, abortion playing in this race, in ohio of course, in that ballot initiative, playing in virginia, all across the country, republicans, again, falling down on this issue they so wanted, overturning roe v. wade. they continue to pay for it politically. >> boy, they get pounded. i said for years that one of my favorite political sayings i heard the late senator paul simon from illinois, in politics sometimes when you win you lose and sometimes when you lose you win. the united states supreme court in a lot of i think sleazy political maneuvers packed the court and has a court that's deeply, deeply conservative and unrepresentative of the rest of the country and they overturned a 50-year precedent that 73% of americans were against being overturned and the political ramifications just keep coming whether it's in kansas, whether it's in kentucky, whether it's in wisconsin, whether it's -- you name it -- everywhere, abortion, the rights of women to make healthcare choices keep winning in state after state after state and election after election after election. at this point, you'd think republicans would get it. but they don't. i'll tell you another thing, a real footnote from last night, election denier, a loser, in fact, jonathan lemire, if you go into kentucky, a democrat -- a democrat despite "the new york times"/siena polls -- a democrat won the state of kentucky. but the republican that did the best in the state of kentucky, was a secretary of state candidate who strongly and vocally took aim at election deniers and pounded away at them and has never once allowed any election denier in his campaign and he won big in kentucky last night. it's just like georgia, where, you know, you have georgia republicans, who crushed donald trump's hand-selected candidates in '22 and they did it again by being strong against election denying. >> yeah, we saw this in last year's midterms, too. the high-profile election deniers all lost. election denialism is a losing issue for republicans writ large as discussed, abortion, abortion rights wins again, women want the right to healthcare, to make their own decisions, we saw that in ohio, huge win there, a state that has trended red, played a big role in virginia, potentially upended governor youngkin, he took a big loss last night. on the heels of those "the new york times" polls over the weekend that look so worrisome for joe biden. democrats in the age of trump they win elections year after year. special election, midterm election. presidential elections. democrats win elections. a lot of work has to be done. democrats have acknowledged that to me. that race is going to be very, very tight. >> democrats were lining up to run and challenge joe biden before the 2022 midterm, because they were sure the red wave was going to be so terrible. they were lining up, calling around, getting their finances in in order, once again, joe biden is underestimated. 2023, the same thing happens again. the 2020 elections, after iowa, biden's too old. biden's out. after new hampshire, biden's too old. biden's out. then he comes in to south carolina, picks up an endorsement and crushes the rest of the field and is president of the united states despite the fact that donald trump and his allies said he's too old, campaigning in his basement, boom, he wins again. he just keeps happening. it's crazy. katty, sometimes we try to make politics a lot harder than they are, and i had a friend who's an immigrant to the united states called me up and still trying to figure out american politics, he calls me last night and he says, i need to understand something, this abortion thing, he goes, if somebody is against abortion, don't have an abortion. i go, yeah? he goes, don't republicans understand that's why they're losing, if they don't want to have an abortion, don't have an abortion, but don't tell everybody else not to have an abortion. i said, well, i think americans think so and again they do. by the way, it's not like the left wingers, these are republicans, these are independents, these are moderates, the overturning of roe has got to be the most devastating, single event for the republican party in since watergate. >> yeah, it's not roe forced people to have abortions and it's men, too, by the way, returns last night from ohio, suggested that 54% of men also voted to enshrining abortion rights. it's not just women. this is an issue that affects all couples, it affects all families. husbands know what their wives go through. this is something that people need and it's a healthcare issue. i was texting with somebody from the trump campaign last night, well, donald trump is going to position himself as the moderate candidate on abortion -- >> nope. >> in favor of 15-week ban, with, you know, with exceptions later on. that didn't work well for glenn youngkin. he with proposing a 15-week ban with exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother and virginians pretty clearly in eye-popingly expensive races throughout the state and came down, they wanted to enshrine abortion rights in the state. it's critical. no other southern states with abortion rights. >> you look at how important abortion, 60% very important, 20% fairly important. and only 19% not too important at all. 80% of virginians said it was important and it's, you know, what's so interesting, i'm so glad brought up youngkin last night, worst case scenario for him, they were trying to take the senate, the republicans, ended up not only did they get battered in the senate, they lost the house. which nobody -- nobody was saying they lost the house. willie, the whole 15-week with exceptions approach to abortion, that would have worked when roe was still law of the land, because i saw the polls, the plurality of americans wanted that, so many americans since they've been seeing these bans have been pushed now to, they want to go back to roe. they want to go back to viability and so so, what worked before roe got overturned doesn't work now. i mean, that's pretty critical to understand, that's one thing, the other thing that i was trying to remember but i just can't now, i'm going to go to you and i'll remember when you're halfway through your sentence. >> i'll anticipate your thought, i think on this issue of abortion, we saw such a scope, we're talking about 15 weeks in virginia, voters reject that idea as you just said and then look at the state of kentucky where daniel cameron the attorney general had backed for a long time until just recently a law that doesn't provide exceptions for rape or incest, there was that incredibly moving ad from the beshear campaign, a young girl who was raped by her stepfather, really, really, you're going to prevent me, i have to carry that baby. we have that ad. this may have been decisive last night. >> i was raped by my stepfather after years of sexual abuse, i was 12, anyone who believes there should be no exceptions for rape and incest could never understand what it's like to stand in my shoes, this is to you, daniel cameron, to tell 12-year-old she must have a baby of her step father who raped her is unthinkable. i'm speaking out because women and girls need to have options. daniel cameron would give us none. >> a young woman named hadley put out that ad. daniel cameron was totally thrown off by that. here's the policy, no exceptions for rape or incest, more recently he said maybe we should look at that, but again, andy beshear, democrat a state trump won. >> 12-year-old has to flee the state, because -- >> it's different in ohio now. >> thanks to last night. >> looking at the ad, willie, refresh my recollection a bit on what i was going to say, katty said that young kin was trying to go with this sort of approach and katty talked to a trump person, he's going to be moderate on abortion -- and you can see him trying to do that, right -- here's the only problem, got clip after clip after clip of donald trump bragging, i was the one who killed roe v. wade. i put the judges in who took away the right for abortion. i destroyed roe v. wade. it's all over the place. donald trump should expect to see all of these victims of rape, all of these victims of these women who were pleading out because they couldn't get treatment because of donald trump. >> literally. >> and because of leonard leo, because of radicals on the supreme court, he can expect to see those girls, those girls who had to flee the state when they were raped by an illegal immigrant, those girls who had to flee the state because they were raped by a member of their own family. >> women who were told to plead out in a parking lot. >> that the doctors were afraid to provide even life-saving care because of donald trump. because of leonard leo's radical supreme court, all of those young women, whose lives have been made a living and breathing hell because of donald trump and that list of people, donald trump can expect and he should expect, and he deserves to expect to hear that throughout 2024, along with a clip that said, yeah, i was the one who killed roe v. wade, he made their lives a living and breathing hell. bleed outside of operating rooms where they could have been saved, because, well, donald trump and leonard leo, the guy who has $1.4 billion now trying to rig every federal judiciary selection, he's already done it to the u.s. supreme court. you sit back and wonder, why in the world do we have 10-year-old girls who are raped by illegal immigrants fleeing the state to get an abortion? because of the supreme court. because of what happened. because the buying of the united states supreme court. that donald trump did. donald trump meekly and blindly followed along and now willie he's bragging i'm the one who killed roe v. wade. lots of luck with that, donald, it's going to be a long year. >> okay, let's dig into some of these numbers we've been talking about, the big board, steve kornacki i think is still there from last night. we're grateful for your service. >> taking you through some of the states. you look at kentucky, this is there are still some votes to come in, about five-point victory for beshear, one way in a presidential election, in 2020, this is what the red/blue map looked like in kentucky, exactly 120 counties in kentucky, there were 2 that went democratic, the two big cities, louisville and lexington, 26-point trump victory, again, you take a look at what happened last night, you see a lot more blue on this map, actually 26 of the 120 counties in the state went to andy beshear, his name in 2019 was 23. so he added three new counties to his tally, he kept what he had before and i think what's most interesting, first of all, where did this victory come from for him? he drove up support even higher in these core democrat areas, fayette county, university of kentucky, he's going to win this thing by 44, 45 points over daniel cameron. beshear last night around got 66% here and that was a big number. similarly, jefferson county, where louisville is, he got 70%. big population centers, beshear squeezed a lot more out of them. this was a story four years ago for him, definitely a story last night, as you look at this part, eastern part of the state, which is traditionally coal country, you can go back two generations and you find democrats here, they tend to be more conservative democrats, working-class democrats and they have had a massive, massive shift in this part of the state in presidential elections, federal elections toward the republicans. see this sea of blue in coal country, all won by beshear, take a look at how some of these counties voted in 2020, trump got 80%. 75% of the vote. these are counties that andy beshear was able to win last night. so, his success not just in core democratic areas but reaching areas that democrats have concluded in kentucky a few years ago were a loss to them certainly at the federal level. >> steve, sorry to interrupt, how do you explain the flip where donald trump's winning 80% of the vote -- >> some of this stuff is kind of crazy. take a look here. floyd county, beshear wins by 14%. this part of kentucky, has been under a wild political journey over the last generation, john kerry, 2004, against george w. bush carried this county by 26 points. and donald trump won it by 50. so a 74-point swing in 16 years in this county. >> did you say that's coal country? >> traditionally, that's the eastern side of kentucky. >> west virginia, people don't remember now, west virginia was a democratic state and then turn of the century, it started to shift and donald trump's best state was in west virginia, i just -- i'm curious, what can andy beshear teach other democrats about winning in coal country? >> i mean, i would say, honestly, a huge part of this, this was a story in 2019 as well, he wouldn't have won the governor ship if he hadn't won coal country, two things going for him in 2019 and again last night, that region of the state and regions similar to it, number one, he was a brand name last name from a sort of earlier era in politics, his dad had been the governor of the state back when it was still possible for democrats to do pretty well in coal country, i think there was some sort of spillover from that. second thing is, this is the kind of state you'll see different results when you're talking about a state-wide election, a race for governor than you will for a federal election the presidency, the united states senate, members of congress, kentucky is a state that's going thoroughly red when it comes to federal elections but what these voters have shown is a willingness to cross that federal party line when it comes to somebody who's going to be the governor of their state, hold state-wide office and not part of the national democratic party. who remain very unpopular in kentucky. west virginia is a perfect example. if you're talking about west virginia, very close to west virginia right there, and these are similar states in that way, a shock in 2000 when george w. bush suddenly carried kentucky and michael dukakis carried kentucky back in 1988. if you went over the western part of the state, western coal country in kentucky, it happened a little bit earlier, about 1996, the democrats' last stand with bill clinton, but you've seen these massive, massive shifts in these rural areas of kentucky and other states like it. >> lot of eyes on those house races the senate races, not only did democrats hold the senate, they flipped the senate in a blow to glenn youngkin in virginia. >> again, we have the numbers here, unfortunately the board can do many wonderful things but state legislative district boundaries we don't have drawn in here yet, but anyway, coming into last night the democrats did control the state senate, they had 22-18 margin and there are still uncalled races but they'll finish with at least 21, keep in mind the backdrop, one of the big pieces of context here in virginia was everybody last night in both the state legislative chambers was running under brand-new and some radically altered lines. a big fight over redistricting that got settled by a third party, some incumbents of each party running in districts that were completely different. you had a ton of retirements because of the dramatic redistricting but it leaves democrats in the state senate with at least 21, 21 is the magic number to guarantee them control there. democrats, again, two uncalled seats, at least 51, maybe another gain out there for them. the bottom line, no matter what happens with the two other seats, they'll have outright control of the house and outright control of the senate. >> boy, and katty, national implications here, looking at the trend lines, what really matters is, where are those suburbs going? in this case, where are the northern suburbs of virginia going? those washington suburbs. you've been out, you've specifically visited the district out there and tell us, are you surprised by the outcome of it, or is this what you saw coming? >> i thought it was going to be tight and these individual districts some of them were tight. one in particular i think i mentioned it yesterday, district 31, key senate race, a centrist democrat definitely ran on protecting abortion rights in virginia, she won that district helping to keep control of the senate. what makes virginia also interesting for other states and future elections perhaps next year, in virginia, the pro-abortion rights group were running on the idea of freedom, they kind of moved on from this idea of choice. what i was hearing a lot on the campaign trail, this was about freedom. that resonated. this is something that appeals to everybody. its language that's changed in the abortion rights movement. we'll hear that next year as well. steve, let's look at ohio, one of things i was wondering, ohio is such a good litmus test of the abortion issue, because this is what the referendum issue was about in ohio, does that make it slightly different from other states -- can we take ohio and measure the power of the abortion argument if you put it into a kind of general election context? what do you read into on ohio? >> i'd be careful on this one, because, and we've seen this in a number of other states as well, we saw it in the 2022 midterms, in fact, some states had this abortion referendums or had rather a strict restrictions placed after roe. results in polling showing that voters didn't like that. at the same time in 2022, voters in number of states in ohio, goff more dewine favored a much restricter on abortions. a state by 13-point margin has now put in a state constitution the legal right to an abortion, they did add, i thought this was interesting i think this has implications how this question is adjudicated of this issue going forward, they put no language in there allowing for any kind of restriction. proponents of this, recognized the politics of ohio, a reddish state, once upon a time a swing state, adding restrictions can be imposed after the point of fetal viability, the idea here they had, if that can fly in ohio, then roll the calendar ahead to 2024, is that the model that will be used as they try to advance this in red states and swing states, and i think that's what you're seeing in south carolina, arizona, florida, states like that, you have ballot initiatives brewing that are either going to codify in the state's constitution about abortion rights. the other point i'd make, one state last night where we actually got an exit poll. it was interesting, when you look at the makeup of the electorate that spotted think by 13 points. they still don't like joe biden. we asked the question in the exit polls, should joe biden run for election, three-quarters of voters said 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