her opponent just around 27%. she's the former mayor of mexico city and an academic who shared a nobel peace prize for her work on climate change. and on that very impressive and historic note, i wish you a very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late with me. i'll see you at the end of tomorrow. you at the end of tomorrow thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. i have a quick thing to tell you at the top here, do you have your phone with you? your phone has an app on it that you may or may not ever use, but it's called podcasts or some version of that. whatever kind of phone you have, there is an app on your phone for podcasts. if you open up that app and you search for my name, if you search for maddow, one of the things that's going to come up is ultra. you might remember i made a podcast called ultra. it did really well. i won a big journalism award, the hillman prize. steven spielberg bought the rights to it, so ultra's going to be a steven spielberg movie. the screen play is being written right now by tony kushner and danny strong. pinch me. ultra did great. we were all really, really proud of it. but the reason i am suggesting you go to your podcast app today is that as of today, there is a season two of ultra. it is finally ready. we just put out the two-minute trailer for season two of ultra today. so you can listen to that now. you can click there to follow the show, to follow the show means you get every episode when they come out. it's free. this is just going to be eight episodes total. ly tell you, ultra season two is a little bit scary. it's also kind of funny. anyway, trailer is out today. the first episode comes out monday. so i just wanted to say that right off the top. the trailer for the new season of ultra is finally up. been working on it for a really long time. i hope you like it. i'll tell you more about what it's about next week when we get the first full episode coming up. oh, and there's another thing i'm supposed to tell you. it is free to listen to the whole podcast and follow the show, absolutely, but if you want to, you can pay $2.99 a month for msnbc premium. if you pay $2.99 a month at msnbc premium, that givers you all the episodes a few days earlier than everybody else gets them, and you will have no ads when you are listening. msnbc premium is a new thing you sign up for that at apple podcasts if you want. okay, now that's really it. i will leave you alone about that. because now i want to talk about something crazy that just happened in michigan. all right. this was on thursday in michigan. on thursday last week you might remember something was going on. the country was sort of distracted, yes, every news organization in the country went into warp drive when the jury and the donald trump criminal trial in new york announced they had a verdict, and you know the story from there. 34 felony counts. the jury found him guilty on all 34 of the felony charges. whereupon he totally melted down, earning what i think was really the headline for the ages from that day, quote, convicted, trump blames judge, jury, and a country gone to hell. what a nice man. what a leader, right? but while that was happening in new york on thursday, there was a big surprise in michigan. now, do you remember seeing this tape? if you're a longtime viewer of the show, you might recognize this. this was from right after the 2020 election. it was december 2020, december 14th. this is the state capitol in michigan, and we played this on the air at the time that it happened. because it really -- this really appeared to be a crime being committed there on tape, and an important crime. these are republicans in michigan showing up at the door of the state capitol demanding that they be let inside because they insisted that they were michigan's votes for the electoral college. and since december 14th was the day all the states were casting their electoral vote, these guys demanded to be let into the state capitol to cast michigan's reelectoral college votes for trump. which is not the way it works, because trump lost michigan, biden won, but nevertheless, these republicans were pretending to be the real electors and demanding to be let in. and that police officer stopped them. and he was very polite. he was, like, the soul of patience. he was very kind to them, but he was very, very firm with them. >> so you're telling us we can't enter? >> yes. >> okay, would you they on the record? >> [ inaudible ] >> what did he sna. >> he said we can't enter. >> what i said was per the capitol commission, per the governor's office, and per the speaker of the house, per the speaker of the senate, the capitol is closed unless you have an office here to conduct business today or if you are taking part in the electoral college process. anybody else is not permitted to come in. >> we're electors. >> we're here to take part in the process. >> the electors are here. they've checked in. >> they're also electors. >> all 16 electors have been advised by the governor's staff. >> they have been checked in. they are already here. i know what electors are, they're here already, you're not them. he's so patient, right? but he stops them from what they were otherwise intending to do, which is get themselves into the state capitol. that was in -- that was in 2020. that was the middle of the effort to try to overturn the election results and have trump stay in power even though he lost. i say that looked like a crime being committed and an important one because those fake electors have since been criminally indicted for what they did there, for conspiracy to commit forgery and conspiracy to commit election law forgery. the 16 # fake trump electors were all charged with those felony counts. and in that criminal case in michigan, there were 11 other people besides the fake electors who were listed as unindicted co-conspirators, including former president trump himself and his then lawyer rudy giuliani, who has since has his law license revoked. the prosecutor described trump's status in the michigan case by saying, quote, he is a part of the investigation but he hasn't been charged with a crime yet. hasn't been charged yet. in court proceedings on that criminal case last week -- because again, there are felony charges pending against the fake electors themselves -- last week there was testimony from that particular police official, the same guy who had to personally bar the door of the state capitol against the fake electors when they were trying to get in, and what he just testified in court last week is that on thursday while trump was being convicted in his new york criminal case, he, this michigan state police captain now, he was being interviewed by the fbi and by federal prosecutors from washington, d.c. wait a second, i thought he was testifying in a state case, a state criminal case that's ben brought against those fake electors? yes, he was testifying in the state criminal case, but he testified that he had just been in touch with federal prosecutors and the fbi. so in that michigan fake electors prosecution, michigan is one of four states where there are state criminal charges pending against trump's fake electors. in that state trump is named as an unindicted co-conspirator. he's not charged under michigan law, quote, yet. that prosecutor in the michigan state case also says that that state criminal case there is still open, still ongoing, they're still investigating. but now on the day trump was convicted in his new york case, we find out in surprise testimony that federal prosecutors and fbi agents as of right now, as of thursday, are interviewing people who saw what happened with the attempted overthrow of the election in michigan. there haven't been federal charges brought in michigan, right? i mean, trump is already facing federal criminal charges for trying to overthrow the government and stay in power after losing the 2020 election. those charges were brought in d.c. but it would appear that that federal investigation into that overall matter is still open if federal prosecutors from d.c. and the fbi are still investigating and still interviewing people right now. if they are doing so, and according to that police captain's testimony they are, i would guess that the fbi and federal prosecutors are still looking into the michigan fake electors matter. presumably with an eye toward a possible new federal indictment. or, i mean, there's already the federal criminal indictment against trump that references the scheme broadly, maybe these interviews with important figures in this matter in michigan indicates the possibility of a superseding federal indictment, maybe additional charges for the same defendant that's been charged, trump, maybe adding more to it. we do not know. but that michigan state case is still open and ongoing, and it's apparently a matter of active investigation by federal prosecutors and the fbi as well. knock me over with a feather, right? i didn't -- that was unexpected for me. it's a reminder that things may not unfold the way any of us is expecting. and you may think you're sort of running through the tape on some of this stuff, and then you just look ahead and you realize there's a whole lot more tape at lots more intervals. i mean, who knows how this is going to unfold and for how long. this is the first former president to ever be criminally indicted. then he got criminally indicted three more times. he was the first former president to face a criminal trial. then he became the first former president ever convicted of a felony. then he was convicted of two felony, then, three, then four, then ultimately 34. he is named an unindicted con cospir or the in the case against arizona republican who is tried to overthrow the election results in that case. he's named in the case in michigan as well, and now it looks like there is the possibility of additional federal charges that may attain to the michigan shenanigans in particular. things are not necessarily going to unfold the way we are expecting. and none of this is over. i mean, yes, if trump gets elected in november, that's one thing. but if he loses in november, this is all going to go on for a very long time in lots of different places, which is important for us to think about as a country. because we have a legal system that we use for all sorts of things, including for holding people accountable when they try to overthrow the government. and we've now got not just trump and his most rabid followers, but we've now got a whole republican party that is on the record deeply and radically invested in delegitimizing the american legal system in the eyes of the american people. which means in practical terms that the people who end up as part of these cases, the people who end up playing a role in the legal system as it pertains to trump, you know, sometimes it's by choice, sometimes it's not, these people are going to need protecting in an ongoing way. stormy daniels, to whom the hush money payment was made that was falsely booked in trump's business records, which is why he was convicted of 34 felonies last thursday. stormy daniels has now done her first interview since the verdict, and in that first interview, you can see that she's just -- i mean, it's an emotional interview, but you can see she's overwhelmed in particular by the revolution that even though this one trump case is over, this whole thing is never going to be over for her. >> it's not how i feel, it's how i don't feel. i'm obviously glad of the verdict because in a way it also proves that i was telling the truth, that i was not paid for sex. you know, it was not a prostitution job. i was not an escort. i was not a prostitute. but i guess i just thought that would put the bow on the package and it would be all tied up and good. and it's not. it's not really any different. except that i, you know, the good part is i don't have to go to court again, because that's never fun. you always feel like you're bad guy, even when you're not. being on that stand is so intimidating with the jurors and stuff looking at you. and i'm glad that, you know, some stuff came out in court that i wanted to come out. and it proved, like i said, i've been telling the truth the entire time. but at the same time, emotionally and the responses and stuff, it's not over. it's probably, i realized -- i'm going to start crying again -- i realized today that it's actually never going to be over for me. >> -- what would you say? >> he has the patience of a saint and that he's brave, i think, and my condolences, because i know what his life is going to be like, at least in the immediate future. and it scares me. and i fear -- i fear for the jurors as well. >> i fear for the jurors as well. nbc news reporting tonight that the other main prosecution witness in the trump criminal trial, michael cohen, has since the verdict had his whole family doxed. people have posted street addresses and other personally identifying information for his wife and for his children. nbc news also reported that in the immediate wake of the verdict pro-trump message boards posted a high volume of violent threats toward both the prosecutor and the judge in the new york case, including what purported to be the home address of district attorney alvin bragg and what purported to be the home addresses of some of the jurors from the case. this is what it's like for people who are part of the legal system when the legal system is getting donald trump in trouble. and this is an ongoing thing. this is not going away. there's lots of pending cases against trump. and these threats and the harassment and intimidation of people who are involved in the legal system, people who are witnesses, jurors, prosecutors, judges, court personnel, trump -- i mean, encourages it indirectly every time he makes individual people in these legal proceed eings a personal target for his criticism and vitriol and often his lies. he's never, ever discouraged his supporters from mounting the kind of harassment and intimidation campaigns that they have against everyone involved in these case, including the court clerks and the family members of the judges and the witnesses themselveses and their families too. it's every time. last summer trump supporters circulated the purported names and photographs and home addresses of the grand jury, members of the grand jury in fulton county, georgia, after that jury voted to indictment trump there. before trump was convicted in march and april, reuters counted at least 152 posts on three pro-trump websites urging the killing or beating of judge merchan or the judge in new york or judge mcafee in georgia. one january 6th convict who has already served his prison sentence for taking part in the trump mob attack on congress, he posted on twit aerophoto of prosecutor alvin bragg and a noose. it is terrorizing to the people involved in these cases. and it is systemic. they do it to all of them with all of the cases. it's designed to make the legal system unworkable when it comes to trump, right? it's designed to make people unwilling to participate in the system if trump is involved in the case because you and your family will be put in danger. right? it's designed, if you are part of a case involving trump, if you are considering being -- bringing some sort of legal action, however well justified, that relates to trump, they want you to fear for your life and for the lives of your family. that's the basic where had behind it, right? we're all suppose eked to be so scared of what he'll edo, we're supposed to be so scared of how crazy his supporters will go that just to be safe, we should let him do whatever he wants. because anything that annoys him, holds him back, punishes him for what he's done, they'll get so mad and we should be so scared of what they'll do, because, oh, you wouldn't like them when they're mad. trump was asked this weekend about his potentially being sent to prison when he gets sentenced next month. he said, quote, i don't know that the public would stabt for it. i'm not sure the public would stand for it. i think it'd be tough for the public to take. you know, at a certain point there's a breaking point. he's saying you jail me, there'll be a breaking point. the public won't stand for it. sounds like a threat, right? it is a threat. it's the same threat he always makes because he wants us all to feel threatened. but he makes the same threat all the time. september 2022 after the fbi served the search warrant at his home at mar-a-lago, he says, quote, i don't know how much more our country will be willing to withstand. two months later, december 2022, all caps, the people of this country aren't going to take it much longer. then he was asked on a radio show about the possibility of him being criminally indicted. he said i think if it happened i think you'd have problems in this country the likes of which we've never seen before. i don't think the people of the united states would stand for it. i think they'd have big problems, big problems. i just don't think they'd stand for it. then in march 2023, he said if he was indicted it would rain down death and destruction that he said would be, quote, catastrophic for our country. death and destruction if he were indicted. and he was indicted. then last summer after he was indicted he was asked about a possible prison sentence. he say, quote, i think it's a very dangerous thing to even talk about because we do have a tremendously passionate group of voters. i think it would be very dangerous. very, very dangerous. so yeah, now he's threatening again that there's going to be catastrophic civil war level violence if anything bad happens to him, like an indictment, which has happened four times. like an arraignment, which has happened multiple times. like a conviction, which has happened 34 times. like a pen etial prison sentence, which stay tuned. at every step of the way, he has made the same threat. at every step of the way he has shaken his fist at the country and warned that if anything happens to him, his followers will rides up and level the place. death and destruction like nothing the country has ever seen before. it's always the same threat. it is not actually what they do. because it is not actually how the country feels. if you look at the polling since the verdict in the new york case came down, there's been three national polls on reaction to the verdict so far. all of them show that most people in this country think the verdict was the right thing. the country is not rising up en masse to defend him. by and large the country thinks he committed crimes and it makes sense he was convicted of them. these threats that there will be mass violence and blood in the streets and riot, you'll see it rising up like the country has never seen before, that is not happening. what is happening is his followers are terrorizing individual people involved in the legal process. and the republican party at the highest level and with almost total uniformity is simultaneously telling the american people that the american legal system is bunk and they shouldn't respect excite shouldn't trust it. and republicans at the state level are not just tolerating and trying to get away with election crimes to help trump, criminal election subversion is being celebrated and rewarded in places where criminal prosecutions of these folks are ongoing. places like arizona and nevada. fake trump electors charged with felonies there, but the accused felons have also just been given big new jobs by the state republican party in those states. they've been named delegates to the national republican convention and state representatives for the republican national committee. they've done the same with one of the fake electors in wisconsin.