election interference trials, one of them encompassing the insurrection on january 6 and one pending classified documents trial for retaining and hiding records, government records, some of them containing top secret nuclear intelligence haven't driven away donald trump's voters, what will last week's felony conviction for falsifying documents and to conceal them and to conceal that information from voters in 2016 really do? in other words, what more do voters really need to know about donald trump? or to put a finer point on it, how many more voters need to know more about donald trump? believe it or not, there are quite a few. "the new york times" went back and interviewed nearly 2,000 people, some of them who said a conviction would make them rethink voting for donald trump. we're going to tell you the results of their survey in just a moment, but first here is what some of those voters said, quote, we all know if donald trump gets reelected he's going to try to be a dictator and he's got his i'm going to get you list, said a man from georgia. quote, if a person who received 34 felony convictions in one day can still run for president, why can my guy not apply for a job at a gas station, said a woman from pennsylvania. and, quote, what is going to happen with him? is this judge going to put him in jail if i knew that robert kennedy jr. would have a real shot i would vote for him, said a man from nevada. which leads us to our million dollar question, the one that we will have until november, does the conviction swing the votes? and what are the campaigns doing about it? joining us now in phoenix is nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard, anchor of cnbc's tech check deirdre bosa and former white house communications director under president obama and msnbc political analyst jen palmeri. all right. there are a lot of open questions here, not ones that are easy to answer. vaughan, this polling suggests that among the voters who are swayed, they are swayed away from donald trump, not toward donald trump. there is a small, small movement within this set of voters. when you are going to trump rallies, is there anything that the trump team is doing to try to mitigate this? >> reporter: i think that that's where it comes down to, katy, can you mitigate the losses of individuals like you just heard from here, those very types of reticent conservatives or independents in places like here in maricopa county or i was just talking to one man who knocked on doors for donald trump in the rural northwest corner of the state here in mojave county where he believes there are untapped trump supporters that they can go and inspire coming out this have conviction who maybe didn't vote in 2020 to get out there now because they are convinced that donald trump is being politically persecuted and unfairly targeted and the only way to correct course is by getting him back into the white house and prevent him from potentially even a prison sentence. and that is where donald trump -- where is he? he is here in maricopa for the first since since october 2022 because this is go time right now. and for donald trump you are not hearing a passive or moderating donald trump by any means. instead he has made the conscious decision to go and undercut the decision that the jurors made, those 12 jurors in new york, undercut the minds of the public about the judge merchan who was overseeing the case and undercut the very basis for which the charges were brought against him by the district attorney alvin bragg. i can tell you in talking to a great many folks here in maricopa county there are folks to understand and repeat and echo the lines of donald trump and what he has said in the courtroom or outside of the courtroom over the last eight weeks and that this was unfair and this was politically motivated and that is what you should expect to see donald trump not only today but when he goes to nevada this weekend and in the weeks ahead on the campaign trail continue to try to undercut the basis of the investigation. >> in a different lifetime the republican party itself would have said to a candidate who got convicted of a crime, you have to step aside. we are not running you. we want want to run you for the voters and also it would be a bad idea to try to put a convicted felon in the white house. has there been any discussion whatsoever that you know about by republicans about donald trump being a convicted felon now and him running for office? i guess i know the answer to that question because they already didn't ask him to stop running after what happened on january 6. >> reporter: correct. they didn't ask him to stop running after january 6. there were several that jumped into the ring to try to beat him in the primary but i think it was a clear message that was sent by the republican voters during the 2024 primary process and that is one that is living out today. no matter the indictment, no matter the conviction, among the republican voter electorate the majority side with donald trump and side with him even in the conviction. if you are somebody like a carrie lake who has a senate primary just over a month from now, you hedge your bets and a pretty good bet is to stand next to donald trump in solidarity with him as opposed to the other guy mark lam who is running against her in that primary because the extent to which you can buddy up and defend donald trump really provides you the bona fides to be the true stalwart of the republican party under donald trump in the year of 2024. >> listen, the trump team will tell you look at all the money we've raised since the conviction, look at what it's done for our ability to campaign. obviously a lot of money is going to go to his legal bills that are still mounting. deirdre, in talking about the fundraising there has been a shift among the very, very wealthy in the part of down that you cover, silicon valley. tell me what the very wealthy tech people are doing for donald trump. >> reporter: well, they're raising money for donald trump. something that was kind of unthinkable eight years ago for this to really be out in the open but i'm here in the heart of san francisco behind me is an influential and wealthy venture capitalist, david sachs' home. tickets are go going for $5,000 a seat or $300,000 at the vip level. eight years ago it was another influential tech investor named peter thiel who put his support behind trump and it felt liability the whole tech community was appalled and aghast at this. the tone is so much different here eight years later. there is a lot more support and it's really an example of this fundraiser tonight of how once support of the former president could vilify you, but now it can glorify you. the organizer david sachs along with another tech investor they have supported democrats in the past, this time around they're throwing all of their support behind the former president. they're hoping that this event will actually encourage more in the tech community to come out in support of the former president. i mean, there's two factors at play here, one is on the policy side. trump is seen -- and the republican policies are seen as more friendly or at least less hostile to the tech community, whereas president biden and his administration, his regulators, are seen as tougher on things like big tech, gig economy, generative ai. so that's a play here, but the other factor here is that a lot of folks here will say that some of the folks who are in support of the former president will say that this has just been a silent movement that is coming to the forefront. >> i was on with stephanie ruhle the other night and she called the move among the billions toward donald trump transactional. here is what i can get if i give my money to donald trump, she cited the meeting he had with the oil techs the other day. is that what this is, they believe they can get something out of funding donald trump, that it will deregulate their industry and they will be able to do more of what they want? >> reporter: i would note that so far it's a lot of private market investors. you are not seeing the big public ceos come out in support of trump but the private market investors have a lot of reason to. the last trump administration there were corporate tax cuts that benefited the tech industry from small companies to the mega caps, he carved out exemptions in the china tariffs. there is this thinking they may be able to get more out of a trump administration where we're seen the biden administration be a lot tougher on the tech industry. >> all right. jen, where do i begin? democrats will hear this and they will say to themselves how can this possibly be? how can anybody who experienced the four years that donald trump was in office, how can anybody who at the very least experienced january 6 actually say to themselves i want to -- a, i want to vote for the guy again, or b, i want to give money to the guy. how do democrats deal with that sort of vibe among what seems like is still a very substantial number of voters? >> yeah, i mean, i would say with silicon valley there are a lot of ceos that are brand name ceos in silicon valley that you are definitely not going to see show up in san francisco tonight for the trump event. i think that we heard a good reason, trump will do their bidding. whatever that may be in terms of people who are showing up tonight. i think there is a calculation that biden is going to do what biden is going to do in terms of their -- in terms of policy and whether or not they donate to him is not going to make a difference because biden has integrity and it's worth a flier on trump. it's a cynical thing. also some of these people are disrupters by nature. i find it alarming people for whom the system is working, for whom, you know, the state of america right now is okay to buy into trump is alarming, but, you know, to counter that with what vaughan told us and what that poll told us, i think the problem for trump with his convictions is it may motivate his base but in order to win over swing voters he needs to tell a very different story about that conviction and that is -- like that's -- >> let's talk about swing voters. do you think that the conviction is really going to swing them? i know that the "new york times" survey, we can put the results back up, shows a -- donald trump was plus 3 before the conviction, now he's plus 1 according to the people that they spoke to, again, which is a real movement and it can make a difference, but i wonder is the conviction really going to be the issue for them? because as i mentioned at the top, he's already been facing so much. the country saw what happened on january 6, there's all of the allegations regarding the classified documents. who is left that's going to be convinced by a conviction or is it really about my pocketbook, my groceries are more expensive than they used to be? is it more transactional as it is for the billionaires for the swing voters as well? >> i mean, they are not a monolith and i think that it's not all just transactional. people care about the economy obviously and that is always going to be top of mind, but you saw in 2022 people -- a lot of swing voters cared a lot about democracy, people care a lot about abortion rights. so, you know, the argument that the biden campaign, the president said last week that i think they will continue to make, is this was a fair trial and donald trump cannot accept the results of it, just like he cannot accept the results from the 2020 election. and i think that that message over and over again really appropriately raises the stakes and i do think there was 52% of independents over the weekend in that ipsos reuters poll who said they think donald trump should drop out. 52% of the independents said they would not support him because of the conviction, but it is -- it is a truth threat but it is also a resident threat for voters that he will not accept the results. he can't have that -- a lot of people think this could be the last election if trump wins and it's a way to make that argument. >> let me ask you about what they campaign on because the associated press, steve people's, great reporter, is reporting on a split in the biden camp. he said there are key voices in the biden campaign headquarters who believe democrats should lean into donald trump's conviction as a significant turning point in politics and history, others favor a more cautious approach, fearful of a voter backlash if democratic officials push too hard on a criminal conviction that trump insists without evidence was rigged against him. my question is kind of a side note to this, which is the voters who care about democracy, haven't they already decided? should the biden team be pushing the democratic saving message. haven't voters said if i'm worried about democracy i've already decided. is there a different issue that the campaign would be more effective to focus on? >> the good news about a fragmented media system these days is you don't necessarily have to choose. there's ways to reach voters -- there are -- you know, for example, we know there's the -- we refer to them as the nikki haley voters. those are people that we know from polling that the republicans for biden group does that there are people who worried a lot about january 6, people will no longer vote for trump because of that. you can't count on that because these are republicans who it would be a big stretch for them to vote for biden. you do have to push that message. i think you do have to push economic messages as well. there's a lot of things that are hard about the divided media ecosystem that make it tougher on the biden campaign, for example, if you pay attention to the news, you're wildly for joe biden. if you don't you're not. so it's hard to reach those people. the good news is you don't have to choose what message you want to emphasize. >> and that's a good point. i also can't imagine that republicans would shy away from going after somebody who had a conviction, even if it wasn't at all related to trying to influence an election. i can't imagine republicans would have any hesitancy whatsoever or worry about the optics as democrats do. thank you so much, jen. good to have you. appreciate it. and thanks to deirdre and vaughn as well for the reporter. what happened when a former trump adviser steve bannon was ordered to report to prison? this happened today. coming up next, we will tell you what the judge ordered ban non's lawyer to do in court. later, what president biden warned on the 80th anniversary of d-day. plus, what prosecutors tried to argue on day four of the hunter biden gun hearing and what beau biden's widow said about finding the gun. we are back in 90 seconds. i was stuck. unresolved depression symptoms were in my way. i needed more from my antidepressant. vraylar helped give it a lift. adding vraylar to an antidepressant is clinically proven to help relieve overall depression symptoms better than an antidepressant alone. and in vraylar clinical studies, most saw no substantial impact on weight. elderly dementia patients have increased risk of death or stroke. report unusual changes in behavior or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants can increase these in children and young adults. report fever, stiff muscles, or confusion, as these may be life-threatening, or uncontrolled muscle movements, which may be permanent. high blood sugar, which can lead to coma or death, weight gain, and high cholesterol may occur. movement dysfunction and restlessness are common side effects. stomach and sleep issues, dizziness, increased appetite, and fatigue are also common. side effects may not appear for several weeks. i didn't have to change my treatment. i just gave it a lift. ask about vraylar and learn how abbvie could help you save. steve bannon is headed to prison, a federal judge today ordered him to start his sentence on july 1st. bannon was found guilty on two counts of contempt of congress for refusing to comply with a january 6th committee subpoena two years ago. joining us now msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. where is he going and for how long? >> i'm not sure we know where he's going yet, but he has to self-surrender on july 1st and he will serve a four-month sentence. one of my colleagues did a calculation today and she said that he is projected to be released, assuming he serves every day of his sentence, four days before election day this year. >> wow. why was he -- why did it take so long to send him to prison? he was found guilty to year ago. >> the judge kyle nichols, the same judge as today found it was appropriate to stay bannon's conviction while he appealed that conviction. bannon said he couldn't have willfully been in contempt of congress because he was relying on his advice of his then counsel robert costello. that was soundly rejected by the d.c. circuit on reliance of a case that comes from 1961, the same case that prevented judge nichols from allowing bannon to make the argument at his trial. still, judge nichols felt that maybe the d.c. circuit would take a different view this time, stayed the sentence. now that the d.c. circuit has agreed that its precedent stands -- >> robert costello. >> robert costello. >> remind us about robert costello. >> he was the defense's only substantive witness in the trump manhattan da's case. he was there of course to say that another one of his almost clients, would be clients, michael cohen was lying when he recounted the various interactions that they had had before cohen eventually decided to turn. >> and the judge was not happy with costello because costello was not acted in the judge's estimation appropriately in court. he threatened him with contempt if he continued to mutter and make objections that he wasn't qualified to make. bannon's lawyer today also got into it with the journal. what happened? >> bannon's lawyer soundly objected and basically said this isn't the justice system that i know. he still has appeals rights. he still could seek a rehearing from the d.c. circuit or go to the supreme court and on that basis you shouldn't send him to prison now. this isn't the system of justice i know, at which point judge nichols said you should sit down. >> well, does he have a point or is the judge -- explain the background on that. >> i think that david schoen who is bannon's criminal defense attorney now and i should note also represented donald trump in his second of two impeachments, he is a real defense lawyer's defense lawyer. he is not a partisan hack. that having been said did he get very impassioned in a way that judge nichols found inappropriate and disrespectful? seems to be he cross add line as far as judge nichols was concerned. >> lisa rubin, thank you very much. always good to see you. coming up, what beau biden's widow told the court today about the, quote, terrible experience she had in the aftermath of her husband's death when she began a relationship with hunter biden. first, though, how are they going to get through it all? 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