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MSNBCW Dateline June 9, 2024



unfold. >> i go into the living room and i see blood all over the place. i went into the bathroom there is more blood. the whole time we were thinking it was a car wreck. >> the rumor mill is in overdrive. >> there was gossiped that there was an affair. >> this was tearing her apart. you really cannot make this up. >> there is no other way to describe a human being but satan's bond. -- spawn. >> hello and welcome to dateline. when judy met jamie baldwin he swept her off her feet and then jamie said judy suffered not one but two accidents in the same night and she was gone. detective believed the grieving husband, but her family launched their own investigation. the question, was this the handiwork of a clever killer? here is the black box. andrea canning: the slow-moving water, chilled by the december air, trickled over her lifeless body. >> the slow moving water >> the slow moving water chilled trickled over her lifeless body. >> she was one of my biggest supporters. she is not here anymore. >> how this wife, mother and grandmother what end up in this creek will consume her family for years. >> i am not giving up until i find out what happened. what h andrea canning: terry tinker, the coroner for chester >> do you get a lot of car crashes? >> we do. >> terry tinker, the corner have been called here to the site of a fatal traffic accidents. it was right before midnight on december 14, 2016. a husband and wife were in their jeep when it ran off the road, ending up down the bottom. >> i saw that lady and i knew she was, jamie baldwin. my friend. >> terry had known judy orr- baldwin most of his life. that must've been such a shock to the system to see? >> it was. a longtime friend like in the creek. >> the corner noticed some unusual markings. deep and dark blackened circles around her eyes. >> i am seeing a lot of bulging eyes, is what a lot of people call recognize. >> how do you get those? >> from probably brain injury. >> driving the jeep was judy's husband jamie. he suffered minor injuries. jamie told first responders they were traveling down the historic role when he swerved to avoid hitting and truck. is out of control jeep careened and crashed into the creek. he said he was knocked out and when he came to judy's led body was in the creek a few feet away. he called 911. ay. he called 911. andrea canning: jamie had already been taken away in an ambulance, when detective chris reynolds, with the chester county sheriff's office, jamie had already been taken away in an ambulance when detective chris reynolds arrived on the scene. >> i took my flashlight and i saw and cloth with blood on it. there was one on the seat. >> the detective saw the jeep store open judy apparently had been ejected. >> what is the first incident -- instinct? >> an accident. >> the same night judy's two sons is not might not phone calls. the roman told their mom had been in a car crash and they needed to get to the hospital right away. >> i was the first one there. i ran to the emergency side like where is judy orr-baldwin ? they were like we don't have a judy baldwin. >> josh found his stepdad in a hospital room. >> i said with my mom? they were like she didn't make it. i said what do you mean? he said she's dead. >> chris arrived shortly after and got the terrible news. he asked his stepdad what happened. >> all they said was i wish it would've been me. >> it felt like and dream. i thought i cannot believe we are going through this again. >> because her dad died? >> tragically. >> their dad died in a motorcycle accident 12 years earlier. it seems unbelievable to not lose their mom in a crash. here you are having to say goodbye to your other parent, your mom. that is really a hard thing to do to lose both parents and such a young age. >> i know nothing is perfect. but we didn't have any problems. we were all happy. our parents are gone. >> around 6:30 that morning judy's ,23 lease was sound asleep when her phone rang. her dad gave her the tragic news that her aunt, known as little judy because she was just 4'11" have been killed. >> he said little judy is dead. i said what are you talking about? i started screaming and crying. i woke up everybody in the house. >> when judy's nephew heard the news he realized his aunt for love yorky was all alone. early in the morning he headed over to judy's house. >> the whole time and thinking i'm just going to get the dog. >> rodney wright wasn't prepared for what he saw. >> it was a shock. i go into the living room and i see blood all over the place. blood on the floor. i went into the bathroom there was more. the whole time we are thinking it was a car wreck. what happened? >> a family horrified, mystified and looking for answers. investigators are about to ask questions of the one person who knows just what happened that evening. coming up, what jamie says happened to judy. what jamie ss happened to judy. that baffled the coroner-- andrea canning: so this was going to be the key area-- terry tinker: this was the-- andrea canning: --in the autopsy. --key thing right there. andrea canning: --when "dateline." continues. and the clue that baffled the corner. so this was going to be the key area in the autopsy? 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this is our dmvip. vending machine charcuterie? for a great low rate, go with the general. for a great low rate, just a few hours after judy orr baldwin was found dead at the scene of a car crash, her nephew was stunned to find blood in her house-- >> chest and a few hours after judy orr-baldwin was found dead at the scene of a car crash her nephew was stunned to find blood in her house, and a lot of it. he had no idea what was going on. >> it was so confusing. stuff just didn't add up. >> turns out judy's husband told investigators there have been two accidents that night. judy had taken a terrible fall at home, the reason for the blood. they were on their way to the hospital when they crashed. >> i was in complete shock. >> now judy's family, including her niece was grieving. >> she was a bright light in and darkroom. >> was judy and romantic? did she believe in true love? >> she did, just because she had experienced it. >> todd was her first husband who died in that motorcycle crash. >> after he passed she wanted to be loved like that again. she was lonely. she wanted somebody for sure. >> so judy's family was happy when she started dating jamie baldwin, a former police officer and not 11 officer. the couple had a whirlwind romance. after just eight months they married in 2012. how did you feel that your mom was with a former police officer? >> faith, protected, somebody that had her back. >> did they seem happy? >> extremely. her being happy, i am extremely happy. >> detective chris reynolds was looking into her death as part of a routine investigation. >> i knew ms. judy for a very long time. every since i was a child. everybody loved her. >> the detective had never met judy's husband, but wanted more details on what happened that night. about a week after her death he asked jamie to come down to the sheriff's office. why do you bring him in even though you believe this is an accident? >> i want to make sure i have everything covered. >> she was one of those people that as soon as your mentor you were a friend of her, loved her. she was just bigger than life. >> jamie said he had mostly recovered from his minor injuries. emotionally though he said he had a lot of healing to do. to andrea canning: jamie said the night judy died, he and his wife were decorating their christmas tree. he then, briefly stepped outside to put >> jamie seven i judy died he and his wife were decorating the christmas tree. he then briefly stepped outside to put some tools away in his shed. >> when i came back in, i don't know if she decided to fix something on the tree. i don't know. tree. i don't know. two stocking holders. >> brjamie said he assumed judy fell off the ladder and hit her head on the mantle. on the floor with two stocking holders, one of them were broken. were broken. e on her wound, but the bleeding didn't stop. jamie told the detective he grabbed a washcloth from the bathroom and put pressure on her wound, but the bleeding didn't stop. he thought judy needed stitches. needed stitches. was a few minutes from their house, he said the couple got into their jeep and started driving to a bigger although chester hospital was a few minutes from the house he said the couple got into their jeep and started driving to a bigger hospital 30 minutes away. minutes away. andrea canning: and that's when he said, they went flying down that embankment, ending up in the creek. jamie said the impact of the crash knocked him out. that is when he said they went flying down the embankment ending up in the creek. jamie said the impact of the crash knocked him out. >> he hit something. hit someth. i'll walk you back out the back door over here. andrea canning: after about an hour, the interview was finished. jamie's story seemed to match what the seasoned detective had seen for himself, like that bloody washcloth >> after about one hour the interview was finished. jamie stories seemed to match what the seasoned detective has seen, like the bloody washcloth in the jeep. and when he went to the house the night of the accident. >> i saw blood on the mantle of blood on the floor. i did see the ladder leaned toward the christmas tree at the time. >> does the blood look consistent with a possible fall? >> yes. if an accident as of right now. >> detective reynolds was continuing his investigation. the corner still trying to figure out what cost judy's death. he wanted to know more about a large wound on her forehand. >> there was no damage to her legs or to her arms. all of it was concentrated toward the head. this was the key thing right there. >> he concluded julie died from a skull fracture and those raccoon eyes were the result of a large amount of blood accumulated in her skull. the corner struggled to figure out what caused the fracture. >> i need to know what you think she fell against or what was said by mr. baldwin. all of the stuff has got to be added up. >> he had to determine if the fatal injury happened during all at her house or during the car accident. even though judy had two autopsies before she was buried, the corner could not reach and conclusion. her death certificate read pending investigation. police are not the only ones investigating. judy's family and friends have questions too. what they discover will cast doubt on jamie story. >> i am surprised i did it. i was in such shock. i knew in my heart something else had happened. >> jesse become suspicious and takes matters into her own hands. >> you decided to record the call? >> i.d.'d. >> was the one in this family harboring a secret? an eye-popping story when dateline continues. dateline continues. it appeared judy orr baldwin had been involved in two accidents on the same night. >> it appeared judy emorr-baldw had been involved in two accidents on the same night. most people seem to agree, sadly it looks like judy was the victim of bad luck. one person, however, was not buying it, judy's niece. she thought what happened seemed suspicious. >> i had a very weird feeling in my stomach. >> although jamie had an explanation, it didn't make sense. >> why would you not go to chester hospital if she just bumped her head? >> and why did jamie take a dark rural back road when he could've taken a much faster nearby highway. >> that was super odd to me. >> so jesse decided to take a bold step. she put her amateur detective on and call jamie. >> you decided to record the call? >> i did. >> what was telling you to record the call? >> i am not sure what told me. i am surprised i did it. i was in such shock, but i knew in my heart something else had happened. i wanted to hear what he has to say. >> she asked jamie how he got knocked out when the jeep crashed? jeep crashed? jesse was most concerned about her aunt's final moments. fina how would you describe his demeanor? i would simply say, he had zero remorse. he was talking just, how we're talking. >> how would you describe his demeanor? >> i was simply say he had zero remorse. he was talking just how we are talking. no emotion really. emotion rea. said, "that's the good news"-- yeah andrea canning: --which seemed a little, like, the language was a little odd. >> one thing that struck me if he said that's the good news. it seemed -- the language was a little odd. >> it didn't make any sense to me either. it was an eerie feeling. why would you say that? >> jesse couldn't get the phone call out of her head. >> i replayed that recording so many times. >> are you expressing your concerns to judy's sons? >> i let them listen to the phone call and i said it's just not fitting right with me. >> after judy's sons darted to think about it they too had serious doubts. >> we are trying to figure out what really happened to our mom. >> sold one of judy's friends would tell the brothers more than they ever wanted to know. k black and judy were nearly inseparable and share their most personal secrets with each other. you said you were like sisters. >> we were. i miss her a lot. a whole lot. >> she and her husband consider themselves judy and jamie's best friends. the four belonged to the back of -- riker group called helping hands and harleys. they spent nearly every weekend with the couple. kay knew something almost no one else did. >> i knew his marriage wasn't like he was trying to make everyone else believe. >> jamie told others he had a strong and happy marriage. hap. andrea canning: kay says, a few months before her death, judy confided in her that her marriage was on the rocks. >> kay says a few months before her death judy confided to her that her marriage was on the rocks. she thought something was going on with jamie and another woman, a single mom who also happened to be the bike club treasurer. >> she started having her suspicious. she was thinking jamie and terry were having an affair. >> the club treasurer and jamie? >> if one went to smoke they will look at the other one and say come on, let's go smoke. little things like that judy has started picking up on. >> we've seen a lot of touchy- feely stuff that didn't quite look right. >> judy would ask me and i would say maybe or maybe not. nobody knows for sure but everybody's talking about it. >> judy decided to find out for herself. >> she confronted terry. terry said we are not doing anything. she confronted jamie. she said they are so calm about it. she said i know they are doing something. >> within a week of judy's death kay set judy's sons out. as they absorbed it all they remembered terry king was at the hospital the night her mom died. in fact they got -- she got there before they did. another even more awkward story . >> i don't want to tell this. she said jamie has been trying to get your mom to have a threesome with him and terry. >> what? this is not something your mom wanted? >> no. >> or something that you want to think about. >> sex, lies and a christian by club. who would've thought. >> exactly. >> soon after opening up to judy's family she called detective reynolds. >> i said i have some text messages and i think you need to see them. she tells it there that she suspected jamie and terry. he said i will get back with you. i never heard from him again. >> the brothers and jesse also felt they were not getting anywhere. >> we got to find someone to help us and get some answers. >> why is nobody doing anything? it just didn't make sense. >> soon it would all start to make sense with some bombshell news. >> that is when we are thinking the police is looking into this. >> and disturbing revelation about jamie's alleged girlfriend and important evidence. >> did you say to your supervisor i think we should have someone come in and look at this blood? >> no i didn't. >> we found out terry went to the house and cleaned up. >> is this the most bungled evidence collection you've ever seen? >> that might be a little nice. there was no evidence collection. >> when dateline continues. collection. >> when dateline continues. nexium 24hr prevents heartburn acid for twice as long as pepcid. get all-day and all-night heartburn acid prevention with just one pill a day. choose acid prevention. choose nexium. nexgard® plus helps you protect your dog from fleas, ticks, heartworm disease, and more... all in one delicious, monthly, soft chew. use with caution in dogs with a history of seizures or neurologic disorders. nexgard® plus: the one you want for on

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