everybody was so worried yesterday about you, and they never mentioned me. i'm up here sweating like a dog. i don't care about you. i just want your vote. i don't care. >> my relationship, very smart. by the way, a lot of shark attacks lately. there was a shark or you get electrocuted. i'll take electrocution every time. >> donald trump once again making absolutely bonkers remarks on the campaign trail. and it's just the tip of the iceberg. the more dangerous rhetoric has to do with the policies he would enact if he's put back into the white house again. and as we await pivotal supreme court decisions, there is bombshell new audio today featuring justice samuel alito and his wife upside down flag the newsiest martha ann, talking blunty about their politics. the woman who captured that audio, activist lauren windsor, joins me in studio in just a moment. plus, just a normal day in trump world as the former president and soon to be republican nominee meets with his probation officer, as one does, for a presentencing interview as his looming punishment for the crimes he committed in new york gets more and more real. >> but we begin tonight with some explosive new audio of samuel alito and his wife, martha ann. important context as we await crucial supreme court rulings this week on everything from abortion, medication access, to guns, to presidential immunity. in case you think it can't get worse from this court, understand it very likely will. this isn't a court that just reads the constitution and calls balls and strikes. this court's majority is hardly apolitical. public faith in the supreme court has plummeted since the conservative majority overturned roe v. wade. and the court has been engulfed in what seems like never ending scandals that call into question not just how idealogical the conservative majority is, but also their ethical standards. amy coney barrett's husband is a lawyer representing a fox affiliate in illinois. john roberts' wife is a head hunter who cases lawyers at firms that have cases before the court. we don't know who paid off brett kavanaugh's massive debts before he joined the court, and then there's justices samuel alito and clarence thomas who have each accepted lavish luxury gifts from political operatives and participated in overtly political events hosted by koch industries and republican donors. and these two justices have also been unbowed and unbothered when displaying their political motivations. they have also just so happened to be married to two women, ginni thomas and martha ann alito, who are dogmatic political activists. a federal judge in washington, d.c. recently announced he's retiring because he was tired of having his decisions reviewed, and i quote, by a supreme court that seemed to hold in such low regard the principles to which i have dedicated my life, unquote. perhaps he feels that way because ever since donald trump cemented a conservative supermajority on the court including with a nomination stolen from president obama, a number of these justices have become emboldened and self righteous, particularly alito, whose power has grown alongside his public grievances with the secular direction of american society. in 1985, while applying for a job in the reagan administration, he explained what drew him into government and politics. writing, quote, the greatest influences on my views were the writings of william f. buckley jr. and the national review and barry goldwater's 1964 campaign. you know barry goldwater, who opposed the civil rights act. he added that he had particularly opposed a number of warren court rulings that led to the most expansive civil rights era in american history. in 2008, after being on the court for nearly three years, alito spoke at a fund-raising gala for a right-wing magazine, after disparaging president obama he went obto criticize the, quote, legal vanguard that imagined that law would move dramatically leftward after the warren court. he ended by saying, they turned out to be wrong. alito disrespected president obama again during a 2010 state of the union address, after the president correctly criticized the citizens united decision that kicked open the flood gates to billionaires like leonard leo to buy up politics and apparently our courts. then there was that time months after he penned the dobbs decision overturning roe when alito attended an event in rome and complained about the rise in secularism, unprompted, he went on to complain that world leaders dared to question his ruling. >> i had the honor this term of writing, i think, the only supreme court decision in the history of that institution that has been lambasted by a whole string of foreign leaders. who felt perfectly fine commenting on american law. one of these was a former prime minister boris johnson. but he paid the price. all i'm going to say is that ultimately, if we are going to win the battle to protect religious freedom in an increasingly secular society, we will need more than positive law. >> he added that if religious liberty is protected, men and women of faith will be able to speak out on social issues which is exactly what he's been doing. while he likes speaking up, he doesn't like being called out. alito posted an unprecedented rebuke of propublica in the rupert murdoch owned "wall street journal" before they posted a stunning report that he had accepted a luxury fishing trip from republican mega donor paul singer, who had active cases in front of the supreme court. that's all before the upside down flag, the upside down american flag, i should note, and the jesus at the insurrection flag flew at his homes and that's just the stuff he's been saying in public, which makes you wonder what he's been saying behind closed doors. there's blockbuster new audio that gives us insight into this. it comes from lauren windsor, who is know for approaching high profile conservative figures pretending to be an ally and recording them making candid comments, spoke to justice alito at the supreme court historical society's annual dinner earlier this month where she asked him about political polarization. >> as a catholic and as someone who like really cherishes my faith, i just don't -- i don't know that we can negotiate with the left in the way that, like, needs to happen for the polarization to end. i think that it's a matter of, like, winning. >> i think you're probably right. on one side or the other, one side or the other is going to win. i don't know. i mean, there can be a way of working -- a way of living together peacefully, but it's difficult. because there are differences on fundamental things that really can't be compromised. they really can't be compromised. so it's not like you can split the difference. >> and that's what i'm saying. i think the solution really is like winning the moral argument. like people in this country who believe in god have got to keep fighting for that, to return our country to a place of godliness. >> i agree with you. i agree with you. >> and just to underscore how unusual that kind of response is from a supreme court justice, here is chief justice john roberts after being asked a similar question by ms. windsor. >> you don't think there's like a role for the court in like guiding us toward a more moral path? >> no, i think the role for the court is deciding the cases. if i start -- would you want me to be in charge of guiding us toward a more moral path? that's are for the people we elect. that's not the lawyers. >> i guess i believe that the founders were godly, like, were christians. and i think that we live in a christian nation, and that our supreme court should be guiding us in that path. >> i don't know that we live in a christian nation. i know a lot of jewish and muslim friends who would say maybe not. and it's not our job to do that. it's our job to decide the cases as best we can. >> joining me now is the creator and executive producer of the undercurrent, lauren windsor, whose voice you just heard in the secret recordings. we should also note lauren attended this dinner as a dues paying member of the society under her real name. welcome back to had show. one side or the other is going to win. it's not like we can split the difference. these are shocking comments. before i get to how you reacted to them, i want to underscore that. how did you get into this event? >> i was a dues paying member. i bought a ticket. >> were you surprised because there's another part of your recording where you say, hey, i talked to you in 2022, but alito kept talking. he seemed undeterred by the fact you're someone he doesn't know personally, and he was willing to say a lot to you. >> so it was 2023, and i included both of the interactions there just so people could see that, you know, i think some of the criticism is oh, he was just agreeing with you or what not, but look at his answer in 2023. it was different. it was no, we don't have a role. i don't know, i don't know. it was also contrasted to roberts' answer. >> this is justice alito in 2023 also talking to you, lauren, and talking about the media. take a listen. >> this is like the last bastion of public trust. and how do we get back to that? >> i wish i knew. i don't know. it's easy to blame the media, but i do blame them because they do nothing but criticize us. and so they have really eroded trust in the court. i don't know. i really don't know. i mean, ordinary people, ordinary isn't the right word, american citizens in general need to work on this. to try to heal this polarization because it's very dangerous. i do believe it's dangerous. >> so a very different answer back then. >> yeah. >> were you surprised at how candid he was about saying one side or the other is going to win. it's not like we can split the difference. he's essentially saying he's agreeing, yes, we need to win this culture war. >> yes, of course. when the first interaction happened i was like, okay, well, it's very hard to get a judge, a justice, even lower level judges to talk about politics, anything that might imply politics to give any sort of hint or signal as to what their own opinions may be. and so after that first interaction, i didn't publish it because it wasn't very newsworthy. interesting but not newsworthy. can felt like in the course of the last year, because that was before the spotlight was on him with propublica. i felt that grievance was more piqued over the past year with his own experience. i wanted to see if he had a different reaction. >> he certainly did. let's talk about martha ann. justice alito has blamed her, saying it was her flag, she was the one who flew it, it was her fault there was an upside down flag and then an appeal to heaven flag outside their vacation home. let me play for you, and this is new audio, it just recently went up on your social media, and on rolling stone. here is martha ann alito, and you go up to her and you start by saying, i'm a big fan of your husband, and let's hear what happens after that. >> i'm a huge fan of your husband, and everything you're going through, i just want to tell you that -- >> it's okay. it's okay. >> it's not okay, though. it's not okay. >> it's okay because if they come back to me, i'll get them. i'm going to be liberated and i'm going to get them. >> what do you mean? >> there's a five-year defamation statute of limitations. >> i don't know what you mean by they. oh, okay. >> come on, i'll get you. come on. >> i am normally not speechless. i'll get them, i'm going to get them. i'll be liberated and i'm going to get them. she talks about a five-year defamation statute of limitations. we know there are conservative legal groups who would like to allow the media to be sued for defamation. donald trump talks about it all the time. do you think that's what she was talking about? >> i certainly feel like, yeah, she would like to go after the media, but the implication here with the five-year statute of limitations is justice alito will be retired by then. he would only retire if trump were in the white house again. so there's an assumption there that trump wins the white house, and so that adds an additional layer of self-interest to all of these decisions he's deciding because he's thinking about impending retirement, amongst other things. >> i'm quite sure the moment trump is inaugurated they'll retire a day after that. this one is even more bizarre but more relevant since she's the one who samuel alito blamed for the various flags that flew at their home and vacation home. here she is talking about flags. >> you know what i want? i want a sakeerate heart of jesus flag, because i have to look across the lagoon at the pride flag for the next month. >> exactly. >> and he's like, oh, please, don't put up a flag. i said i won't do it because i'm deferring to you, but when you're free of this nonsense, i'm putting it up and i'm going to send them a message every day, maybe every week i'll be changing the flags. i made a flag in my head, this is how i satisfy myself. i made a flag. it's white, and it's yellow and orange flames around it, and in the middle is the word in italian meaning shame. >> for those of you who did not hear that clearly, i'm going to reread this because you need to understand. this is mrs. samuel alito. you know what i want? i want a sacred hard of jesus flag because i have to look at the pride flag for the next month. oh, please don't put up a flag, and she's like, samuel alito, please don't put up a flag. she said i won't do it because i'm deferring to you, but when you're free of this nonsense i'm going to put it up and send a message every day. they'll be all kinds. i made a flag in my head. i made a flag. it's white and it has yellow and orange flames around it. in the middle of it is the word vegonia. she emphasized that as an italian word that means shame. what were your immediate thoughts after hearing that? 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that tape, supreme court justice samuel alito, has become one of the most strident political voices on the country's highest court. and before this latest court session is over, there's still a number of key decisions with far reaching implications that justice alito will weigh in on from abortion to guns to president trump's absurd immunity claim. joining me is barbara mcquade, an msnbc legal analyst, and melissa murray, nyu professor and msnbc legal analyst. i want to let you both react to that. i want to start with you, melissa, react and also imagine for a moment what the reaction would be if the justice that you clerked for, sonia sotomayor had said something similar on the other side. >> i thought lauren did a great job getting this footage. it was alarming but certainly not surprising. anyone who has been reading justice alito's writings would not be surprised by some of the things he has said. what was surprised is he felt so free to be clear about his desire to return the country to a state of christian nationalism, if you will, and his sense that his moral view of the universe is the one that should hold sway, and your question is certainly a rhetorical one, a provocative one to some degree, but we know if justice sotomayor was saying things like this in a recorded conversation, there would be calls for her impeachment from the bench, and those calls would likely be from both sides of the aisle. that's what's missing today. we have plenty of democrats saying this is alarming and wrong, but no republicans with the courage to stand up and say this puts the court in a really terrible light. >> right, and barb, it feels like alito is unconstrained at this point. he doesn't care who knows that he wants to make the country into a christian nationalist, you know, ethno state or whatever it is he thinks he would create under this handmaid's tale vision. he doesn't care if people know he takes lavish vacations and the right doesn't care. they