it's good to be with you. i'm katy tur in for chris jansing. the head of boeing is about to testify on capitol hill facing intense questioning about whether the jetmaker is safe. including brand-new safety allegations from yet another whistleblower just this morning. we'll go into the hearing when it starts. plus, donald trump heads to wisconsin after calling milwaukee a quote, horrible city. what do people in the crucial swing state think of those comments? and what happened when russian president putin went to north korea to meet with kim jong-un? and what promises were made between the two authoritarian leaders. let us begin in washington with boeing. the jetmaker is facing a quote, moment of reckoning, as its outgoing ceo will have to answer to lawmakers in a senate with the subcommittee on investigations. ceo david calhoun is expected to start with an apology and an admission of mistakes made. but will that be enough? especially as another whistleblower contends boeing still puts profits above safety. in just released testimony to the same committee, current boeing employees, sam mohawk, questions boeing's ability to track damaged or inadequate aircraft parts and alleged that the jetmaker hid improperly stored parts from the faa saying quote, in june 2023, the faa notified boeing's renton plant that it would be conducting an inspection. once boeing received such a note, it ordered the majority of the parts being stored outside to be moved to another location to intentionally hide improperly stored parts in the faa. so what will calhoun say in response? and how can he convince not just lawmakers, but the public, that boeing planes are still safe? joining us now is nbc's tom costello and sahil. tom, the hits keep on coming for boeing. >> well, that's right. the newest whistleblower, and you're looking at live pictures of david calhoun sitting in the hearing room. you may have seen the live shot, there you go. as he showed up this morning, family members of the 346 people who died in the max 8 are there demanding accountability. they want to see boeing and cal huge and the former ceo criminally charged by the dea. the latest whistleblower is alleging essentially things haven't changed that much at boeing despite the company's assurances they have turned over a new page. this they are doubling down on quality control and safety and they want whistle blowers to come forward. essentially, these new whistleblowers are saying they are being intimidated by managers and supervisors. that there's still a game kind of on the actually assembly line of moving pieces around. even putting bad pieces on planes and that managers are telling them don't report it, don't say anything to the faa. keep quiet. that's going to be a big part of today's hearing and make no mistake about it. david calhoun knows he's going to be a pinata for the next few hours. nobody's going to come to his defense or the company's. they're expressing their anger, outrage, demanding accountability. honestly, i think you have to ask, okay, but is congress going to give the faa more money to put more inspectors in the plants? it's easy to scream and yell, but is congress going to do anything to in fact help the faa do a better job. >> good question. i want to ask jack about what the faa would need, but one more about david calhoun, tom. he, again, is the outgoing ceo and you said he's going to be acting at the pinata for this subcommittee hearing. what about the next guy or gal that comes in? what sort of scrutiny will they be facing? what sort of promises will they have to make, vows will they have to make in order to keep boeing on the up and up? >> well, look at those people holding the photos of their family members. they have been at nearly every single hearing over five years since the max 8 crashes overseas. they are not going anywhere. they are going to keep the pressure up and right now, the justice department is considering whether they should bring criminal charges against boeing. and the new ceo will have to face that reality and much more intense faa oversight. already, they've got 36 faa inspectors in boeing plants. they want to raise it to 55. those families want to see 100 inspectors in the plants. so the pressure is on boeing to stop just talking about it, but actually make improvements. that's unlikely to change anytime soon. >> and you're seeing those family members standing. that's at the request of senator blumenthal who is chairing this hearing. he's asked all the family members to rise and show the pictures of their loved ones. again, killed in crashes on boeing jets. and i'm just struck, jeff, by yet another whistleblower coming out today. the senate subcommittee released his testimony but this is another person raising the same concerns and now adding a new one on top of it that boeing was hiding things from the faa. hiding how they were storing faulty parts from the faa. how does the faa handle that sort of allegation? >> yes, katy. the whistleblowers are coming out of the woodwork and part of it is because boeing is encouraging people to speak up. every whistleblower to be taken seriously by the faa and investigated. you've got two ends of the spectrum. the whistleblower saying things are really bad, almost criminal. and boeing saying no, no, we don't retaliate. the truth is somewhere in the middle. that's why each report is a body blow to boeing and it's going to require the faa to investigate. >> tom was just saying the lawmakers have to put up on this. add money and give the faa more authority, more help in order to go in and investigate jet liners. what does the faa need specifically? what is it not capable of doing right now? >> so, administrator whittaker testifying before congress a couple of weeks and indicated they have increased the number of inspectors on the floor just like tom indicated. i don't know whether he wants to have any more. they're going to have to think about other ways to skin this cat. it might be more inspectors but again, where are you going to put them? what kind of expertise do they need? it's really a process problem that boeing has that the faa has to solve. >> walk me through that more. if i'm a passenger about to fly on a boeing jet, i want harder answers than that. i want more concrete answers than that, jeff. >> well, so the faa is doing the best job they can. they've been getting more money from congress. congress is supporting them 100%. it's difficult to explain to the public that aviation is still very safe and the fact that there's so much attention on these problems indicates that the system is working to resolve them. so i don't know, it's just difficult to come up with three or four hard answers to say this will solve the problem. aviation is complex and it's going to take a group effort and time to solve this. >> it also relies on public confidence and if the public confidence plummets, i mean, that's irreparable damage or damage that's really hard to repair if you are a jet liner, especially one as big and as you as boeing. sahil, what have you heard from lawmakers about what they want out of this yet another committee hearing and another round of testimony from david calhoun? >> reporter: first, we can report that mr. calhoun arrived on capitol hill about an hour ago. according to our colleague, he has already apologized to the families in that room. you see him in that room now in what is guaranteed to be a contentious and uncomfortable hearing. this comes after the chair of the committee released a host of documents from new whistleblowers including two he says that are coming forward for the first time. blumenthal says it reveals a culture that disregards its workers, a culture that desperately needs to be repaired, unquote. those are richard blumenthal's words. one claims that boeing is improperly tracking and storing parts that are damaged or otherwise out of specification. maybe even installing them on airplanes. these are the allegations this whistleblower, who's apparently currently a boeing employee, says he was asked to conceal evidence and is facing retaliation for it. another whistleblower according to blumenthal suggests to rely on workers to inspect the planes. of course, there's been a human cost to these problems and errors with boeing planes. let's take a listen to one victim who lost a family member in a crash. >> if we are here living in this nightmare that doesn't seem to end of what has now become our lives, why should the people who make decisions continue to not face the people they let down? these with weddings that daughters will never have their fathers walk them down the aisle for. parents that will never see their children walk, talk, go to high school, graduate. have jobs. have their first driving lessons. and i'm just hear so this can be the image and also, really here for the public to remind you guys to keep pushing. >> reporter: and that is the tenor of what mr. calhoun will be responding to at this hearing, which is already underway. >> it's so hard to see the images of those lost loved ones. as she said, family members have lost them forever. this is not something that an apology will repair. but as she also said, this is the public's issue and the public needs to push on this in order to get boeing in line and to send a message to other jet liners, to other aircraft manufacturers that they need to keep safety as a top priority over profits. is tom back with us? tom is going to get back with us quickly. i think part of the issue, jeff, and that has been so galling to me in reading about where boeing made this left turn was that in the early 2000s, a new company came and took over boeing. a new ceo that really pushed profits. it was no longer engineers in charge of boeing and that's when things started to change. >> that is. there was a slow evolution of changing from engineering to profits. i think the engineering's always been there. when boeing moved away from seattle to its new headquarters in chicago and they got new leadership in and you had bean counters rather than engineers run the company, that's probably where some of this lies. >> listen, engineers are the ones highly focused on safety, on putting these planes together, getting them to function properly. getting them to advance in technology. bean counters are counting beans. i think you said it all there. thank you very much. we're going to dive into this hearing once the boeing ceo starts his testimony. that will be in just a couple of minutes, but first, we're going to take a very quick break. in 90 seconds, donald trump prepares for a rally in wisconsin but will he have anything to say about what multiple sources told nbc news he said about the city of mill don't go anywhere. don't go anywhere. here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need... ...without the stuff you don't. so, here's to now. boost. wanna know a secret? 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(roommate) i did. last thursday in his first visit to capitol hill since the insurrection, donald trump told republican lawmakers that milwaukee, wisconsin was a horrible city. according to multiple sources in the room who spoke with with nbc news. today, donald trump is heading back to wisconsin to rally supporters and while the former president claims he never said that, the dnc is pouncing. putting up billboards that read, quote, want to know what's really horrible? donald trump for wisconsin's economy. shaquille brewster is on the ground in wisconsin. if i have to interrupt you, i'm so sorry, but tell me about the reaction of wisconsinites toward donald trump and whether this is dampening the turnout for his rally. >> reporter: there's no sign that it is right now. that language you heard that was reported from donald trump when he was talking to house republicans, that's something that republicans here in the state of wisconsin say themselves. i've covered this state for several years and it has come up at republican events over and over talking about crime in milwaukee. talking about what they believe was lack of election integrity in milwaukee. again, that's all been studied. it's been adjudicated. the election was fair and free and donald trump won here, excuse me, donald trump lost here, but what you are hearing from folks here, what they want to hear from him on stage, issues like immigration. issues like the economy. the interesting thing there is the economy is something that democrats in the state are almost daring him to talk about. and that's because they want to highlight the reason why president biden was here in this exact town just last month. they want to highlight that president biden was able to bring a major manufacturering project, a $3.3 billion project to this town when donald trump failed or at least failed to deliver what he promised he was president. when you talk to his supporters, you bring those facts to them, they're not focused on those details. they're focused on the posture you hear from donald trump and it had emotion he evokes from them. i want you to listen to one of my conversations i had with someone that kind of paints that picture of why it's so hard from the economic message you're hearing from the democrats to overcome what they're seeing from donald trump. >> when you're talking to your friends about donald trump, what are you saying to them? >> he's for the people. he -- i'm getting emotional. i don't know. >> you're getting emotional. why? >> i just, i feel like he actually cares about the country. and it takes somebody who's been in business, america's ran like a business. it really is. and he, there were so many less wars, gas prices, everything was cheaper. with biden, i just feel like the world has changed a lot. >> ladies and gentlemen -- >> reporter: something that is breaking through and seeming to break through with some of these republican voters, something we're going to hear from president biden at the white house. the immigration announcement that will shield about half a million people from the possibility of deportation. that is something people here are very upset about and you can bet donald trump will mention it while on stage. >> thank you very much. let's bring in mark and jim messina, who served as the white house deputy chief of staff in the obama white house and the campaign manager for obama's 2012 re-election campaign. gentlemen, thanks for being here. mark, what do you think about donald trump going back to wisconsin? >> well, you'll notice he's not in milwaukee. he's in raseen. it's a kind of place he would presumably do much better. there's something very familiar about the playbook of trashing a city. a predominantly black city. he is sort of signaling in some ways to these suburban voters that he desperately needs that he does not want to associate himself with that. he would say specifically it's the crime, the homelessness, all the things people would crudely associate with the inner city. you know, whether he's actually has any realtime knowledge of milwaukee is pretty dubious i would say. i don't suspect it will hurt him beyond maybe a little short-term embarrassment, but he doesn't seem terribly capable of embarrassment. >> this does feel like much of what we've been hearing. have heard from donald trump over the years. also reminds me of what he used to say about philadelphia in the lead up to elections. got to watch philadelphia and the not so subtle overtones of what he was suggesting there. the democrats though are using this, they're trying to, with these billboards. what does that accomplish? >> two things. one, democrats need to continue to consolidate their base and fire up their voters in milwaukee. this will help there. mark and i would agree the way you win in wisconsin is the suburbs of milwaukee. they're saying this impacts you, too. this makes your city near you more controversial. i think it's more than just a one-day story because he's going to be back here for four days a t the republican convention and have to hear this and see billboards and see the democrats wail away. as we can attest, the problem with donald trump's campaign is he continues to say crazy things that blow up his message. or a day or two days. eft and when you start to self- -- set yourself on fire, it's not very helpful to your campaign. >> how does this penetrate to the voting blocks or the voters that aren't paying attention to cable news, that aren't watching television, that maybe aren't seeing these billboards? voters who are more siloed in social media. maybe they don't pay attention to politics, but are just fed information from the various algorithms they use. how do you find a way into those spheres, jim, if you're the biden team? >> well, a couple of things. one, big events get into the spheres. swing voters only think about politics form in its week and in that time, they only react to the big news. and the biggest news we've seen the really moving swing voters is the trump conviction. and now two-thirds of these what i call double doubters that are going to decide this election now think donald trump shouldn't be running. that's a big deal. i kind of agree with mark that it's unlikely this one day statement about milwaukee is doing to push through that. the way you get it to push through is have people talk to their friends and family about why this is a bad statement and hurt the whole place. >> jim, thank you very much. mark, thank you. we're going to dive into the boeing hearing. i believe david calhoun's apologizing. let's listen. >> we have our associates stand up. past and present. i want you to know we are -- >> nearly every second, a boeing commercial or defense product takes off and lands somewhere around the world. making us responsible for the safety of millions of passengers and flight crews every day. including our men and women in uniform. aerospace safety is built on a robust industry wide system that relies on self-disclosure, accountability, and continuous learning. this scrutiny to be held to the very highest standard is fundamental to why commercial aviation is by far the safest mode of transportation today. i know full well this is an industry where we simply must get it right. every single time. i've served as president and ceo of boeing since january of 2020. following these tragic accidents. i joined the aviation industry as president and ceo of ge aircraft engines. my introduction to aerospace safety was after the tragic accident in 1989 of flight 232. due to an uncontained engine failer that led to sweeping changes, safety management processes and contributed significantly to flight safety going forward. from this experience, i understand the gravity of boeing's role in upholding the integrity of aerospace safety in our industry. we regret the impact of the incident happened on the alaska airlines team and passengers and we are gratefu