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program which provides the majority of the aide to somalia and kenya, they say they only have three weeks left or less. three weeks of food supplies, much more on that tonight. we're going to talk to a lot of folks about the situation on the ground here in somalia. reporters who have been covering it for us for weeks. we begin with breaking news out of washington. harry reid becoming the first member named to the super committee, they are patty murray of washington state, max baucus montana and john kerry massachusetts. this comes at the end of the day that saw wall street climbing out of the smoking hole. part of the reason squabbling over the debt. the question tonight, will this super committee end the squabbling or will they create a whole new problem. john king is sticking around for us tonight. also with us, jon gergen. john what are you hearing about the names given to the super committee. >> we won't know the full composition, therefore the chemistry of this committee until we get the orpiks in the coming days. max baucus, liberals don't like this pick, he's known as someone who's prepared to talk about cutting medicare, entitlement reform. john kerry lobbied for this spot, he's the chairman of the foreign relations committee, but he wants to have a sweeping domestic achievement. he wants to raise his stature if you will in the senate. the controversial pick tonight is senator murray, she's a trusted lieutenant to harry reid in the democratic leadership, she has a tough dual assignment now. she's also the chair woman of the democratic cen torial campaign committee. she raises money for senate candidates in the 2012 election year. she's going to be raising money for democrats who are attacking republicans for cutting medicare. she's going to be talking seriously and open mindedly about cutting social security. that is the one that's drawing some fire tonight. >> david, we still haven't heard any names on the republican side, what do you make of the three names we've heard tonight. will there be more finger pointing blaming as we've seen over the last several days, or do you think these three people will look at compromise will look at all options on the table? >> anderson all the indications are there could be a stalemate. the democrats are supportive of senator reid's choices, they think they're good experienced legislators who have been willing to be bipartisans in the past. there's happiness on the democratic side, but on the republican side, there's a view that these three are very political, that she is -- not only will she be out there raising money, but her number one job is to protect democrats who are up for re-election. there are 23 up for re-election next year. she's running that operation. and as co chair of this committee, she's very close to harry reid, she's going to be trying to protect that. republicans are saying, we think these people are way too political. and we're going to put some people in there that will not raise revenues. these people are not going to have deep cuts on the entitlements. that suggests hard fights ahead. >> gloria, it does sound like tough fights ahead. >> yeah. and i just got an e-mail, the democrat democratic senate committee chair they're running against medicare reform. certainly republicans don't think this is a great appointment. one name i've heard on the republican side from a lot of republicans in the senate that keeps coming up is senator rob portman of ohio who is a former head of the office of management and budget. lots of people think including democrats he would be a good balance on this committee, because he knows how to reach across the aisle. and could work well with somebody like kerry or max baucus or even patty murray. one reason she's there also is to protect the liberal flank so that liberals can say, okay, she's going to look out for our interests on this committee. that may not bode well for a result, but i think that's one of the reasons she's there. >> john, certainly, if both sides are going into this with thoughts of just how to protect their flanks, that doesn't really bode well at all. when do we anticipate hearing more names on the committee? >> you know, leader mcconnell and the senate republican side has been home in kentucky this week. he said he will appoint serious people. it needs to be done within about a week and a half now. they had two weeks from the president signing the legislation. that will get the speaker's picks, will get representative pelo pelosi's picks on the other side of the house. we know they're going to have politicians, the question is, for example, no one from the gang of six so far in the senate. harry reid deciding to overpass the democrats on the gang of six. they're deliberately looking for people who are viewed as loyal to the leadership. the question is are all the politics involved, about senator murray, the medicare issue, will they come together? will what has happened in recent days, the debt downgrade, the demands from the market, you have a bigger more credible deficit reduction package, will that provide enough moral impetus to overcome the very significant political divides on this committee? that remains a giant question mark, even as we have the first three picks. >> it certainly does, john, david, gloria, thank you very much. a lot happening, not only here in somalia, but also in england. we've seen more rioting tonight. when we come back, a group known as el shabob, what they are doing to somalia, and the threat some of them may pose to the united states, somalia, the rest of the world. the threat for kids facing starvation, facing famine in the south and even here in mogadishu. we are closely following the troubling news out of great britain. a fourth night of looting and fires. we'll bring you late reporting from the streets and new developments as they happen. that and much more as 360 continues. 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>> in this building. so even though they left, there's still some sort of a presence in the city. snipers and others in among the community? >> hiding within the community. >> shell casings littered the streets, signs of the fierce fighting that's taking place for control of the market. >> why is this so important of al shabaab, this market? >> because it has all the businesses, all the money. >> they extorted people here. that's how they get their inning? >> they've stolen money. they've had a big deal. >> why do you think they left? >> they left because they couldn't stand and fight. we're purring them to the wall and they thought they had to save their lives and go away. >> do you worry they're going to come back, though? >> well, i don't think they'll come to mogadishu again. we need more troops. the area is too large. but if you don't get troops, they're going to be gone, no doubt. >> even if they don't come back in force, they can come back with suicide bombers? >> yeah, we've seen more visible fronts. more kidnappings and assassinati assassinations. >> that's what you think is the future here? >> absolutely. >> the african union peacekeepers say they control 90% of mogadishu but they rarely go on foot patrol. and they're stretched very thing. el shabaab may be gone, but they haven't been defeated. they still control large parts of southern somalia. they say they're going to return to the city. they say they were just making a tactical retreat. peacekeepers are confident. they say there's no way to get back in the city. you talk to residents and they're not so sure. there's only about 9,000 african union peacekeepers, there's no way they can occupy the entire city and protect the entire city if al shabaab returns. for more than a year the peacekeepers have been asking for 11,000 additional troops, as well as air and sea support. but so far, no additional resources. >> you think there's an opportunity for the international community to rebuild mogadishu now, to move quickly to solidify the gain? >> the time is now or never. the world has the ability today to destroy them in somalia. if that is not done now, then the al shabaab will come back. >> so there's an opportunity right now. time is short? >> absolutely. >> after 30 minutes in the market, the peacekeepers decide it's time to leave. they want to return to the relative safety of their base. night is coming, despite the gains of the last few days, mogadishu is a very dangerous place. i'm joined now by cnn security analyst peter bergen and also a correspondent who spent time here the last couple weeks. >> yeah. >> before we talk al shabaab, you were talking about the world food supply. they say they're running out of food? >> less thachb a month. >> less than a month of food supplies. >> talking about a huge shortfall. and people who aren't delivering on their pledges. >> historical situation compounded with the situation of al shabaab that's the best news that occurred here, al shabaab leaving here on friday. you were in a firefight with al shabaab just last week. you're in a fire fight. you were caught in the middle of african peacekeepers and al shabaab? what was that like? what were they like as fighters? >> wouldn't say they're incredible competent. their strength comes from the fact that they hold territory. they have a presence here. and so that brings in foreign fighters from other territories like they used to come from iraq, afghanistan. and it's that training that's helped them. >> and there's now great divisions within al shabaab and that may be behind why they left? >> a huge issue over allowing in foreign aid groups and the way it's really eroded the grassroots support. there are actually some al shabaab leaders who say it doesn't matter if this aid is coming in from christian countries, our people are dying. others are saying we will never accept crusader aid. they're fighting among themselves and splitting the resources that are coming in to them. >> interesting, peter. it's almost the same mistake in error that al qaeda in iraq made, that once they're in power, people begin to see how extreme they are and how unpleasant it is to live under them. >> yeah, it seems to be encoded in the dna of these jihadist militant groups, that when they actually control population and control territory, they impose taliban like policies on the populati population, and that leads to the down fall. >> in terms of what they were doing to people, they have a strict interpretation of sharia law. they were beheading people, public education, torture, stonings. they're draconian to say the least. >> it went beyond draconian. some of it was insane. they have triangular pastries. >> they're everywhere. >> this was on al shabaab ban list. this is half of the crucifix. these people don't have food. what little food they're going to scrounge up. we're going to get involve in how you run your kitchens now. >> a number of americans, not all somali nationals but a number of americans have joined al shabaab and become suicide fighters here. >> the first american suicide attacker in history is -- anderson, was somebody who killed himself in somalia and i think, anderson, in terms of the threat for the united states or europe, because of the very high death rates these fighters have in somalia, i don't see it as being a big threat. but you can see shabaab is attacking in uganda. they tried to kill a danish cartoonist in denmark in the last year or so. they showed some ability to do those operations and quite an ability to attract the americans and the europeans to come and fight in somalia. >> in terms of dangers, even if they don't come back en masse into this city which they could do despite the bravado of some of the peacekeepers here saying there's no way that could happen, they could come back in in big numbers in terms of suicide attacks. there was a suicide bombing in the location where we were at just a few hundred feet away from where we were standing last year. >> yes, absolutely. that is a huge concern, that they will disrupt any attempt to bring about norm ailty to people's lives. >> are they going to come back? >> they'll give it a good go. they have a lot of support in the regions. >> they're in control of the south. >> what people forget is there's nothing for these young men. the only thing an entire generation, 21 years without a government that people in somalia know is anarchy. they have a sense that the world has forgotten about them many this is the only way to remind the world of their existence, this is the only option for them. >> extraordinary situation. appreciate your reporting. talk to you again tomorrow night. peter bergen, thank you as well. when we come back, the medical crisis, the largest refugee camp in the south. dr. sanjay gupta reports on the race to save the lives of kids there. and super model iman who was born here in somalia, in mogadishu. she's an ambassador to save the children. >> to hear about the population of orphans and the children, millions of them dying is beyond heart breaking, and especially as a mother. the eagle flies at dawn. the monkey eats custard. price-line ne-go-ti-a-tor. so, you've been double crossed by other travel sites and now you want to try the real deal. yes, is it true that name your own price... ...got even easier? 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[ announcer ] we are insurance. ♪ we are farmers bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ four people living in here, a mom and three kids. it's a very small face, maybe five and a half to six feet in diameter, and all they have is in this small space. a cooking pot, a spooning a few bowls, a jug that holds water that they got from the unhcr. they have some -- a few plates. a pile of clothes and mats to try to keep the dirt out. it's not much. but this family feels lucky to be here, they arrives about a month ago and they're still waiting to find a more permanent settlement inside the camp. so many somalis are on the move, all across this country. 100,000 have arrived here in mogadishu. more are on the border with kenya, where we were yesterday. the world food program is a crucial lifeline. breaking news, the funding and food may run out in three weeks or less. these kids don't have time to spare. many are on the verge of death right now. tens of thousands have already died. here's what sanjay gupta found in kenya today. >> reporter: in the middle of the famine, the sickest of the sick come here. like ahmed. he's 6 years old and just spent ten days walking under the east africa sun. his tiny body robbed of nutrition for too long. his doctor can only hope he arrived in time. >> what happens to a child like this if you weren't here, if he wasn't at this facility? >> this child, probably in a few weeks or so, we will lose this child. >> when the doctor talks about death by starvation, i can tell you it's neither quick nor painless. when you come to a place like this, you see it, just about everywhere. you can hear it sometimes as well. you can also smell it, it's in the air. this acrid sweetness. the body is literally starting to digest itself. little kids stop growing, they become stunted in time. and the tools to save him are basic. it's not like they have much choice, but they do work. >> i want to show you something else that is very important here. this is what doctors use to try to determine if a kid needs acute medical care. you can tell if the kid is malnourished by using this. this little girl is eight months ago. you put it about 10 centimeters down from her shoulder. if the number comes back below 11, that means the kid is in real trouble. in ian's case, the number is 9.5. that's part of the reason she's getting these feedings through an ng tube. ahmed was 10.5. one in five kids will not survive with a reading that low. it's grim duty. the only doctor caring for these children. >> i have three kids. you have a 5-year-old, how do you do it? how do you see these kids here that are suffering so much? >> it's difficult, especially the suffering. what keeps you go is that you have to come back and do something great for them, for them to survive. >> ahmed was one of the estimated 600,000 kids on the brink of death by starvation. but today that may have changed. he may have been saved. he made it here just i

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