they don't do that at all. drew griffin will have that. first, there's one thing that ties together all these cases we found so far. last time, we told you about another charity called the montreal spca. canadian charity that helps aband donned cats and dogs. it entered into a deal with an american private fund-raising company to solicit donations. after three year, the montreal spca received about $13 million in donations. but despite all that money, they've still ended up in the hole more than $4.5 million, owing money. the bills from that fund-raising company were so huge that nearly every penny, every dollar that came in went to pay those bills. now, the montreal spca is so in debt, actually holds a lien on the group's animal shelter. the manager who put together that deal and was fired he went to a new u.s.-based animal charity called spca international. remember that name. its signature program is baghdad pups. here's drew griffin with part two of his investigation. >> reporter: the televised appeal on cnn's sister network hln in 2011 was heart warming. >> actually live in the studio with retired army sergeant jerry barns who has nugget with him. and then sitting right beside nugget is terry with the spca. and ivy's down at my feet. >> reporter: terry with spca international was telling our viewers ivy and nugget were two bomb sniffing dogs that worked for a u.s. contractor in iraq and had been essentially abandoned by the company. she rescued them and was trying to find them homes. >> how is it they fall through the cracks and get stranded there? that's unthinkable to me. >> it is unthinkable. >> reporter: it turns out ivy and nugget weren't abandoned at all. it also turns out the person telling us so, terry chris has been accused in similar situations before. begging for money to save animals that weren't being saved. the military contractor in iraq actually says ivy and nugget had been retired and the company had found them good families who were going to adopt them in kurdistan. good homes, the contractor told cnn. that's when terry came along and asked if the dogs could be donated to spca international. the contractor agreed. but terry chris didn't tell the viewers that. what she did tell us is if we just gave her money, spca international would be doing something few americans could resist. saving the pets of our vets. and that's where peggy comes in. what did you think? >> i opened it up. this is what i saw. i thought this was fantastic. i mean, i was on board because i thought saving animals and supporting the troops, you know, what two things could be better. >> what peggy got in the mail was a plea from the sbca international and operation baghdad pups. a direct mail package from the fund-raising powerhouse. the guilt package, as they are called in the business. included, this t-shirt, a tote bag and letters of thanks. peggy decided to do a little research. >> 6 cents out of a dollar approximately would have gone to actually saving soldier's pets. >> that's what you figured out? >> yes. based on what they spent in 2010 on the operation baghdad pups. >> according to these tax filings, spca international has taken in more than $126 million in donations over the past three years. $23 million of that money has gone right into the coffers of the direct mail company quadie ga art. spca international is still in dead to quadriga art. what's would the spca international admits it hasn't rescued any military dogs, just 26 contractor's dogs, including ivy and nugget. the bulk of the animals, a total of 477, have been strayed befriended by the troops. $26 million to rescue less than 500 pets? how is that possible? that's what we wanted to ask the group's founder. >> what can you tell us? where is the money going? >> we have different programs. the side covers it all. i'm not trying to hype or avoid any questions. we have a spokesman. she has answered for you. >> can you tell us how -- >> absolutely, all you have to do -- >> we did that. and asked the president of the charity watchdog group about the documents we found. >> what worries me about this one is the numbers don't compute. i can't understand how to connect the dots between how much money is spent on fund-raising to how much money is spent on programming and what the sources of those revenues are. i also can't really measure the impact of this organization. what difference are they really making? >> reporter: a spokesman for spca international told cnn by e-mail yes, although our investment is not being returned in the time frame we projected, the investments will pay for themselves within just a few more years. peggy scholely admits it is successful for quadriga art and perhaps even the spca international but the vets and their pets and anyone who gave money, she says were duped. >> what is frustrating is it's millions of dollars that just go to a business. a for profit business. it's not going to charity at all. >> unbelievable. drew griffin joins us. you were not able to track down this woman, terry crisp who brought those dogs into the hln studios. where is she? >> we're told she's in thailand. something else we learned about terry. she's done this before. after hurricane katrina, crisp staged media campaigns, asking for donations to save pets that were stranded by the storm. she collected $8 million. for a charity called noah's wish. well, guess what, the state of california began investigating to see if any of those $8 million actually did save any katrina pets. the investigation ended with a settlement agreement. noah's wish agreed to return half the money, $4 million, and promised that terry crisp would not be an officer, a director, a trustee of a charity for five years. based on what we told them, the state of california is now investigating whether terry crisp violated that agreement. >> i don't understand how these people can sleep at night. i remember this woman after katrina. we did a profile of her on this program. she told us she was saving thousands of dogs. is there evidence she saved any? >> the settlement agreement really stopped that investigation in california right in its tracks. there wasn't a real finding of fact on if any of the animals were saved. there's certainly no mention in the agreement pointing to any animals that were saved. and now this is the woman going around telling us we need to give her money to save these stray animals in iraq and afghanistan. >> what she said on hln was clearly not the case based on what you covered. drew, appreciate it. we're going to continue on this. if you at home are wondering whether you can trust your favorite charity, we don't want these reports to be an indication that all charities are bad or you shouldn't give to charity. that would be a terrible outcome. that's what makes it so bad. what these -- some of these charities are doing. because it kind of casts a pall on charities across the board. if you want to know, go to charitynavigator.org. they've rated more than 5,000 of america's nonprofits. the web address is charitynavigator.org. let us know what you think about this. we're on facebook. follow me on twitter @andersoncooper. day for of the jerry sandusky trial. it's going to continue. and it turns out the former penn state defensive coordinator had been on police radar, get this, since 1998. details on that and more. ♪ [ male announcer ] you plant. you mow. you grow. you dream. meet the new definition of durability: the john deere select series. with endless possibilities, what will you create? ♪ learn more about the new select series x310 with power steering at johndeere.com/x310. prosecutors in the jerry sandusky trial are nearly ready to rest their case. there was more testimony. the prosecution has clearly saved some of the most emotional testimony for last. including the final three alleged victims. now, we also heard from a policeman who investigated sandusky back in 1998 when one boy's mother called authorities when her son came home with his hair still wet apparently from a shower with sandusky. that boy is known as alleged victim number six. authorities said they found photos of sandusky with children from his second mile charity including his alleged victims in his home recently and former office. police also found lists of second mile members in some of those had asterisks and check marks next to their names. the officer told the court he felt charges should have been filed then, 14 years ago. jason carroll is outside courthouse. we heard from three alleged victims today. really, the most graphic testimony come from the man identified as victim number nine. >> reporter: he recently graduated from high school. he told a disturbing story of how he says sandusky sexually assaulted him over a period of three years. saying he firsted him to have oral sex and he repeatedly sodomized him. he came into the room, pulled his pants down, laid on top of me and kind of forced it in. at that moment, as i looked to my left, his mother was sitting beside me. she gripped the bench. she put her head in her hands as her son went on to say, then he got real aggressive and just forced me into it. and i just went with it. there was no fighting against it. at the conclusion, prosecutors asked this young man to point out jerry sandusky in the courtroom. he couldn't even look at him. he just said, he's the one sitting right over there. >> for the first time, jason, we're starting to get a sense of what the defense is going to talk about next week, how they're going to steer their case. what did you learn in the court? >> well, i think what the defense is partly going to go for is an issue with the time line here. because when you listen to the testimony of those like the one who's identified as alleged victim number nine and another one, victim number one, they both seem to be saying that the abuse occurred about the same period of time. but each one basically saying that they were basically in the basement by themselves. so i think what's going to happen is you're going to have a time line issue that probably most likely be raised as the defense begins its case next week. >> you also had the opportunity to speak to alleged victim number six after he was in court. what did he say? >> well, anderson, it was actually a little strange. i was standing not far from where i am standing now. the one identified as victim number six was standing out here. wearing a baseball cap, just sort of hanging around. not many people seemed to notice him. we walked up to him. he was very shy. i asked him now that the testimony was over how he felt about that experience. he basically said he felt disassociated from the whole thing. it was one of those types of things he was still trying to get his head around. asked him why he was standing around here. he was curious about the media attention to the case. saying at one point, he looked out over at the courtroom and noticed all the people who filled courtroom and really just could not believe it. >> appreciate the reporting. criminal defense attorney mark geragos here. along with attorney marcia clark, author of the book "guilt by degrees." we heard from a former police officer. i want to just get the quote right. he said former penn state police investigator. he apparently hid in the home of accuser number six's mom when she confronted sandusky about inappropriate behavior. he said sandusky said, i wish i could ask for forgiveness. i wis i were dead. >> in some ways, that's probably some of their best evidence. jurors always want to hear -- their question is what did the defendant have to say. it doesn't matter what the prosecution's case is. if you've got either a tape or the defendant takes the stand, that's where all the focus goes. that's what the jurors are going to talk about. things like that, they'll want an explanation for. potentially, that's a big piece. >> the same officer testified when he talked to sandusky, sandusky said his behavior was, quote, maybe inappropriate, and he used what sandusky called bad judgment and he wouldn't do it again. that was back in 1998. if these charges are true, it's pretty brazen and it's kind of unbelievable he would continue to do that of theafter being con fronted by law enforcement. >> it is so typical of these types of offenders. they don't really believe they're doing anything wrong. they have a complete denial system in place. it doesn't matter what you confront them with, they're always in the right. i've never yet handled a child molestation case in which one of them ever confessed or admitted to wrongdoing. no matter what or how compelling or how graphic the testimony. so i'm not surprised by it. what pains me greatly is that they had the goods on him in 1998 and yet let him go out there. how many more children were arrested as a result of that. is just an incredibly painful thing to think about. >> a lot of the accuser's stories have a similar arc. it began with tickling. then sandusky talked about cracking their backs. the fact there is consistency across many accusers, what does that tell you about the strength of the prosecution's case? >> there's two ways to look at that. one is, okay, it's great, it's consistent, it's a pattern. grooms people. that's kind of nomen calculate ur they use in these cases. or the defense argues this is coached, rehearsed, the same script they're reading from. then i think that fits into the piece you did. which is, well, now we're going to take a look at the facts. this is what they said. now, what are the facts. who was living -- actually living there at the specific period of time. if you can show and peel away from the story itself, the fact that if somebody wasn't living there then, they had to have been in some other state at that time, that can be pretty persuasive. >> what do you think of the prosecution's case? >> i'm surprised by kind of how quickly they presented it. it was tight. i think that's more of a tribute to the judge than the prosecution in this case. but it is not as strong as i thought it should have been once i saw the grand jury -- >> marcia, you agree with that? >> no, i really don't. i think it was a very compelling case. i think it was very -- it was tight. and the witnesses came through with exactly with what happened to them. i think this is important to emphasize of course the defense is going to say all these witnessed colluded. and that's why they sound so similar. is they are not identical. if i was the prosecutor, i would certainly argue that. as well as the fact these witnesses have been accused by the defense of coming forward because they want some payoff -- >> right, and that's why -- >> -- these civil lawyers, but i have to tell you -- you have a victim here who was being -- who saw -- who was being seen by mcqueary as being sodomized in the shower. that victim never came forward. i think that's compelling -- >> we got to go, we got to go. >> i was going to say, i think it's premature to -- >> no way sandusky's going to take the stand, your opinion? 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[ man ] saw 'em in '83 in fresno. place was crawling with chicks. i got to go. ♪ any way you want it ♪ that's the way you need it ♪ any way you want it ♪ last night, we introduced you to an american man locked up in a nicaraguan jail. today, authorities announced he would get an appeal. the thing he's been asking for. latest when we continue. welcome back. raw politics now. president obama in new york for two fund-raisers. essentially the battle of the messages. in cleveland, president obama said the economy has been growing under his watch but acknowledges it has a long way to go. >> of course the economy isn't where it needs to be. of course we have a lot more work to do. everybody knows that. the debate in this election is about how we grow faster. and how we create more jobs. and how we pay down our debt. that's the question facing the american voter. >> earlier, a speech in cincinnati, mitt romney tried to preempt the president's remarks. >> president obama is on the other side of the state. and he's going to be delivering a speech on the economy. he's doing that because he hasn't delivered a recovery for the economy. and he's going to be a person of eloquence as he describes his plans for making the economy better. but don't forget, he's been president for 3 1/2 years. and talk is cheap. action speaks very loud. >> romney said the president's record is long on words but short on creaing jobs. first, i spoke with the romney campaign's communications director. the big focus today was jobs. something romney had to say about public sector jobs. got a lot of attention a few days ago. i want to remind viewers. >> he wants to hire more government workers. more firemen, more teachers. didn't he not get the message of wisconsin? the american people did. it's time for us to cut back on government and help the american people. >> now, you know, the obama campaign has hit those comments hard, saying he wants to fire firemen, police and teachers. governor romney pushed back with these comments. >> of course, teachers and firemen and policemen are hired at the local level. and also by states. the federal government doesn't pay for teacher, firefighters or policemen. obviously, that's completely absurd. >> the federal government, though, does provide billions of dollars every year in essential funding for schools and first responders and a big percentage of that aid goes to pay for personnel. like more than $14 billion i think under title 1 this year. billions more programs for improving education. hiring special education teachers. community teaching support. without that fell aid, many of those positions would disappear. would romney want to cut those federal programs? >> first of all, what the obama campaign is doing, they're trying to distract from president obama's comments on friday that the private sector is doing just fine. and i think what you heard governor romney say is it's absurd to think that he would slash any jobs for teachers or firefighters or first responders. states and the local governments are the ones that hire them. what you have here -- it's two competing visions -- >> money is provided by governor romney. saying money is not provided -- the federal government doesn't provide money for -- >> governor romney -- >> but they do. >> governor romney is saying the funds are provided to the state and the local level who then they apply the moneys to where they see fit. >> i guess i just don't understand why he is saying specifically the federal -- i want to get his quote right. the federal government doesn't pay for teachers, firefighters or policemen, when billions every year is spent by the federal government on these programs. >> that's just some of that money. you remember that a lot of this came in the form of a stimulus that failed to get this economy back on the right track. some of that money does go to those entities you just described. it's up to the folks at the local level to decide where that money goes and who is hired because of it. >> for the record, the title 1 and the americans with disabiliies act, that's not stimulus related. some of your surrogates suggested we should focus on the governor's record on the job creation in massachusetts after his policies had time to go into effect, not the first year