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what's next? >> reporter: well, you know, don, honestly the house select committee is moving pretty quickly to get this process moving. it was just last week where steve bannon refused to come in for that deposition, which essentially started the clock for them to make this criminal contempt referral. here it is now only tuesday, and it's officially been voted out of the house select committee. the next step will be a vote of the full house on thursday, and then once it passes the full house, which is expected to do so relatively easily, it will be in the hands of merrick garland, the attorney general, and the department of justice to begin the prosecution phase of all of this. so, you know, there have been a lot of people on twitter that have been complaining they feel the select committee has not been swift enough in their adjudication of bannon and his defiance. but in terms of congress, which moves extraordinarily slow, they are actually moving very quick, and this is going to be a lengthy legal process that the committee is going to have to contend with. there's no doubt that it's going to end up in a courtroom somewhere, and that's what bannon is hoping for. he's basically said that in his communications to the select committee on a number of different levels. but it's not just about bannon, and i do think that's important. we heard many of the committee members say today that they want to send a message not just to bannon but to all of these other individuals that they're trying to get information from, not just the ones that they've issued subpoenas to, but even people they've reached out to on a volunteer basis to try to get them to come in and talk to them or submit documents. they're in search of as much information as possible, and what they're demonstrating by this action against steve bannon this week is that they'll use whatever tool they have available to them to get that information. >> elie, listen, that is really the thrust of my question to you because this announcement coming in prime-time, it is a very strong message to steve bannon and anyone else who is thinking of defying the committee. what is at stake for him and others? >> yeah. so, don, i think what's really at stake here, narrow view, of course, will steve bannon go to prison, or will the threat of a prison sentence compel him to testify? but bigger picture, i think what we're seeing here is a lot of our institutions being pushed to their limits and having those limits tested. congress. does congress have any really meaningful way to enforce its will to exercise its oversight power? the justice department. merrick garland is looking at a very important, very difficult decision. will he bring charges? on the one hand, it hasn't been done in 38 years. on the other hand, how can he not? steve bannon is sort of the extreme example of defying a subpoena with no excuse. if merrick garland doesn't prosecute this, he's just completely knee-capping the committee and our balance of powers itself. our balance of powers is strong, but it is delicate. if congress shows they are ineffectual to get information about such a key event as january 6th, then where does that really leave congress with respect to the executive branch and a former president? >> listen, elie, bannon tried to claim, you know, executive privilege even though he hasn't worked in the white house since 2017. this is -- i want you to listen to what congresswoman liz cheney has to say about that. >> mr. bannon's and mr. trump's privilege arguments do, however, appear to reveal one thing. they suggest that president trump was personally involved in the planning and execution of january 6th, and this committee will get to the bottom of that. >> they've got to prove that. how do they do it? >> it's a good and logical point by representative cheney here. i mean we know steve bannon the day before, we heard the clip earlier in your show, don, was essentially predicting and he ended up being spot-on what would happen the next day. he was saying it's way worse than anything that's going to happen. now we know there were communications between trump and bannon, that they are arguing to keep secret. and really their argument is so bogus that using my sort of former prosecutor's lens here, it draws attention. why out of the thousands and thousands of documents that the committee has requested, why is trump and bannon -- why are they fighting so hard to keep these handful away from the committee? that would really pique my interest, and i think representative cheney is on to something here. >> i've got to ask you since you're up on the hill about biden's agenda, ryan. major developments. it seems like democrats are finally closing in on a deal for their social spending package. what do you know about the negotiations? >> reporter: i won't beev there's a deal until i see the president actually sign one into law, don. there have been so many starts and stops. but it seems like there's been some sort of a breath here. they're talking maybe the end of the week and the big thing today is there appears to be a number of cuts that both sides have at least been open to pulling off the table, things like free community college, which had been a huge priority of the biden white house, and it seems as though the president has said he's willing to give on that. also, you know, a price tag that we're talking somewhere in the range of $1.5 trillion to $1.9 trillion, which is significantly less than that $3.5 trillion figure. still going to be a lot of push and pull, but they are at the very least talking which makes you think there's a chance a deal could be somewhere in the near future. >> thank you, gentlemen. appreciate it. >> thank you. i want to bring in now democratic congresswoman pramila jayapal of washington. she is the chair of the progressive caucus. representative, thank you. there's a lot going on, so we're doubly thankful that you're here. so you met with president joe biden for two hours today and were told he is making some major concessions to pass this bill. sources say that means eliminating tuition-free community college and extending the child tax credit for only one year, much shorter than what you wanted, including means testing. will progressives get onboard with this? >> well, don, it's great to be with you as always, and i spent actually an hour and a half with the president yesterday, two hours with him today, and i think the thing i feel the best about is the progressive caucus had five priorities that we laid out five months ago. and all of those five priorities are in this bill. now, you know, the other piece that i feel good about is we had said a couple of weeks ago when it was clear we had to bring the price tag down unfortunately, not what we wanted, but in order to get these two remaining senators onboard, we had to bring the price tag down. we made it clear what we wanted to do was make sure all of our priorities stayed in but that we went for a shorter period of time on some of them if we needed to. and that's exactly where the president is as well. so i feel like on two major things, we are there. now, there are some things that are less than we wanted. you know, paid leave, we're still working to try and figure that piece out. the child tax credit, we're very supportive of. it was not actually one of our top five priorities, but we believe very much in it. we would like to see it extended for as long as possible. we're still working on that piece. but child care, universal child care, universal pre-k, those are both in here. home and community-based care, that is also in here. we're trying to get the number up a little bit. but those are three major priorities. paid leave is also in here, again, not as generous as we would like. but hopefully we can get something really transformative on paid leave. medicare expansion still on the table. and then of course climate change. this is a tricky one because we got to find something that joe manchin will also agree to that will bring down carbon emissions significantly to meet the president's goals. and then housing, don. this is a really important one for equity, you know, for black and brown folks across the country, investing in housing. super, super important. that is also in here. and then immigration. so we're feeling good that all of our priorities are in here. >> okay. >> but nothing's done until it's done. >> you got the laundry list in. great. okay. so let's talk about something i think was a big priority for the president, which is community college. a big priority. what did he say about that in the oval office today, and did he say that it won't make it to the final cut? >> well, i think it's going to be really tough, and this is something that even though it wasn't one of our top five, we pushed very hard for it. we also believe that this is important. you know, i've got the bill, the free college bill, which is both four-year and two-year, and the president said today that he supports that, and he wants to try and get that done. but in this bill, because of all the limitations on cost, that is, you know, something that is probably going to be very difficult to get across the finish line. we haven't completely given up, but i think that's a tough one. >> i had all these questions written down, but you answered them in your first answer about what was a priority and what did you want and timing and all of that. but let me ask you this. even with the reduced cost, you're not getting as much money as you wanted, how do you still plan on funding all of this because we know senator sinema is against raising corporate taxes. so how do you get it paid for? >> yeah. we didn't spend quite as much time with the president on that. but in my conversations, it is clear that this will be completely paid for, and it will be paid for with a combination of tax increases on the wealthiest corporations and individuals. as the president says, this is a $0 bill because it's all paid for. and by the way, a significant portion of this is going to result in essentially tax cuts for working families and poor people because we're providing these important benefits that people won't have to pay for anymore, you know, in terms of child care and pre-k and all of those. so we don't have the details on exactly how it's going to be paid for, but i think the president feels very comfortable that he will get senator sinema and senator manchin seems fine with those revenue raisers, if you will, tax fairness provisions. but the president seems comfortable that he's going to get people onboard to pay for this whole thing. >> let's talk about the framework agreement because leader schumer is saying that he hopes to get that framework agreement by the end of the week. do you need to -- what do you need to see in an agreement to move forward with voting on the infrastructure bill? >> well, what i said to the president today and yesterday is, you know, we really need -- i mean as you know, we were calling for a vote in the senate. we really need an ironclad commitment, and we're trying to figure out exactly what that means. i think, you know, we trust the president. if the president is going to put himself on the line. but we really need a lot more detail around exactly what that looks like. that is one of the things i'm concerned about, but i've made it clear that we need to see -- we need to feel really comfortable that this is the deal, that nobody's going to change it, nobody's going to back off of it, and that it's going to get done quickly and, you know, not with changes or amendments in the senate. so we'll have to see. we're still working on that piece, don. it is a concern to me because i just want to make sure that whatever we agree to, there's no misunderstandings and no delays and no changes. >> congresswoman jayapal, appreciate it. i'll see you back here soon. hopefully the next time, there's a deal reached. >> sounds great, don. thank you so much. a cnn exclusive. president joe biden takes questions from the american people. anderson cooper is going to moderate a cnn presidential town hall with joe biden. it begins thursday night at 8:00. so it looks like joe manchin is intent on ripping the heart out of president joe biden's climate change agenda, but people back in his home state of west virginia may be paying the price.

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