a tea party darling and she dabbled in witch craft when she was in high school. she's the author of a new book with the intriguing title, "trouble making." good to see you how are you? >> good. >> i can't help but notice you did the sign of the cross when you sat down. is it because you're nervous about the interview? >> i did it off camera. i didn't realize you were watching. i do that just because ever since my very first tv interview i just pray. i ask for god's blessing on what i'm about to say. >> i was relieved. i was expecting a devil worshipping sign. here's your book. "troublemaker." what i was struck by is what you wrote. they call us wacky. they call us wig nuts. we call us the people. i have met lots of people who are wacky and wing nuts. you can be both. >> it's an exciting time what's going on in the political establishment and the political process right now. that's a quote from my introduction which is a quote from a speech that i gave reminding the reader, reminding the audience that as the establishment pushed back they said the same thing about our founding fathers and they are extremist and unrealistic and naive about the establishment in the political process but the folks were committed to a vision. they were committed to the greater good and they sacrificed and didn't give up and they turned these bad times in american history into major breakthroughs and the foreign press corps has called this time the second american revolution and we need to keep moving forward and remember that if we want to enjoy the same fate as the first american revolution, we have to not listen to the name calling and the harassment and malinement they might throw our way. >> you certainly have plenty of that. you were this star of the midterm elections. you were the hottest thing the tea party had produced probably ever at the time. it all went horribly wrong and you got hammered all over the place. >> yeah. >> when you look back on it, what was the catalyst for not your down fall but your hiccup? >> i like the way you say it's a hiccup. thank you for minimizing that. >> my pleasure. >> i think it's a combination of things. you can't point to any one thing but rather a perfect storm. and it started with the fact that our party wouldn't unite. the day that i won the primary you had major national republican figures going on national television slamming me when instead what we needed to do was what they did in kentucky where mitch mcconnell ran against rand paul but when he won they said let's take this guy to the finish line. the strength is what won the victory. we had none of that in delaware. as soon as i won the primary, you had the white house, barack obama personally came to delaware to campaign against me. you had the whole democratic machine coming against me slamming me and then i had my own party. some of those ousted leaders were telling people to vote for my democratic opponent. it was a very heavy lift for a grassroots mostly volunteer based campaign and without the strength of the united party it was difficult and of course as i admit in the book, we made certainly a lot of mistakes. some of those were self-inflicted wounds as i admit that i definitely regret. >> why don't we just jump in there and remind you. i'm sure you'll be thrilled about this. we're going to remind you of one of the self-inflicted wounds. have a little look at this. >> i dabbled in witch craft. i never joined a covent. >> you're a witch. wait a minute. >> that's exactly why. >> because i dabbled in witch craft. i hung around people who were doing these things. i'm not making this stuff up. i know what they told me they do. one of my dates -- my first date -- >> wait. i want to hear about this. >> one of my first date with a witch was on an set annic alter. we went to a movie and had a midnight picnic on this set antic alter. >> did he pay you to rerun his show? at the time as i painstakingly detail in the book, it was a different time in my life and perhaps i was too candid for television. my goal wasn't to go on the show just for the sake of going on national television. i went on the show to try to reach a younger audience with a message when i was 16 by the way, this was 25 years ago, you know, i too was trying to find my way in the world and ultimately i did. and people have said do you regret making those comments? i go into detail about what my thinking was but the more self-inflicted wound was how we chose to respond and the ad was a big mistake. >> that brings me neatly to -- >> don't tell me you're going to play that ad. >> i'm afraid we are. let's have a look at how you made a small problem ten times worse. >> i'm not a witch. i'm nothing you've heard. i'm you. none of us are perfect but none of us can be happy with what we see all around us. politicians who think spending, trading favors and backroom deals are the way to stay in office. i'll go to washington and do what you would do. i'm christine o'donnell, and i approve this message. i'm you. >> you say the weird thing to me watching those two clips is on the first clip you seem like a fairly naive slightly silly young woman who is having a bit of fun about witchcraft. in the second one, you look like a witch. you look really creepy. and so ugly i even started to believe you might be a witch when i saw this creepy commercial. >> you know, as i write in the book, as soon as i saw that line, i said i don't want to do this. this is the wrong direction. what our campaign ads should be doing instead is highlighting who i am now, what my platform and position is, the reason why democrats, independents and republicans are getting behind my campaign, and we didn't go that route. we should have gone on the offensive and started to expose the many lies that my opponent was saying about his own record but instead, you know, i didn't listen to my gut. i tell that story and i relive it as embarrassing as it is to watch it, but i do so so that perhaps the reader can relate and might have confidence in their own gut because the mistake that i made was that, you know, it was my gut and the instincts of many disenfranchised voters in delaware who got us through such a tremendous victory in the primary and then what did i do after we won the primary? i listened to the so-called experts who had been losing election after election so again i try to tell that story so that the reader might have confidence going forward propelling the second american revolution to listen to your gut and the experts aren't always experts. >> here's the thing. you and i had a little tea party in new york soon after your departure from the political stage. we had a breakfast where i told you how to make proper breakfast english tea making the tea party tea had a certain irony to it. i remember thinking at the time you were positive about this and you seemed to work out where you had gone wrong and i thought we're going to see more of that lady going forward and now we have a situation where the tea party is becoming ever more credible, ever more popular. we have sarah palin, michele bachmann and others leading the charge here. i would have thought there was a good chance you could make a pretty big move back into the political stage, isn't it? >> i hope to stay in the political arena. maybe not necessarily as a candidate or an elected office. i wrote this book so that it can be not just a tell-all or setting the record straight although there's plenty of juicy gossip in it but i close the book with what i hope to be a practical application about how people can get involved and with what i think are policy solutions we need to engage moving forward. i have a whole chapter that i call the freedom food chain where i talk about what the proper role of government should be and i call for a radical, ideological real awakening of the principles that made our country great and it's republicans and democrats who have had a grave departure from those principles and we need to get back on track and i'm glad that you see that the tea party is credible because i believe that the tea party is at a crossroads and the fact that the balanced budget amendment was such a huge part of the debate and we didn't just raise the debt ceiling blindly as we've done in the past is completely credited to the impact of the tea party movement so what do we have as a response instead of congratulating them for this wonderful impact and bringing common sense solutions to the -- >> the problem if i may jump in is the problem is yes, you are credited with not having the debt ceiling raised but at the same time you are credited with total paralysis in washington. i think there's an emerging credibility for the tea party but there's also an emerge ing issue about if you're going to continue as a party to be ever more forceful but don't do anything to compromise. that's going to paralyze america. >> that's why i say that the tea party is at a crossroads. i don't think that compromises the issue. i think that we have to not not take the bait as we have joe biden calling us terrorists and extremists. again, remember they said that about the abolitiononist ists. they said our whole economic system rested on the slave trade. they were wrong headed establishment minded arguments and we have to remember that again. they tried to say the same thing about our founding father at the birth of our country and they are trying to do the same thing now because the reality is our country is going bankrupt. our country is on the brink of collapsing. our economy, our currency is being devalued. this is a very grave situation unlike any time. we need real solutions. we need to get back in a very radical way to the principles on which our country was founded. if your family got in such a difficult economic situation such an overextension of your finances, you're not going to continue to go to the country club. you're not going to take these elaborate vacations to martha's vineyard, would you'll have drastic cuts in your budget to get back on track and that means downsizing and that's what we have to do right now because this is very serious. we might not continue in the next couple years. it's a very serious situation that we're in. >> okay. we're going to discuss this further after the break. we're also going to talk to you about sex. you'll be pleased to know. >> great. 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>> let's not even go there. >> why? you went there. >> again, i address it in the book. at that time in my life my goal was to reach out to young people and there was a show "sex in the '90s" on mtv that tauted the philosophy that anything goes. there's no doubt i don't think anyone would disagree that there's a little bit of a crisis when it comes to whether it's aids or sexually transmitted disease or teenage pregnancies so my goal at the time was to reach out to young people and try to present a view of sexuality that they weren't getting and again i go into detail about where i was at that time in my life and why i chose to go on that show and do that interview. >> i get all that. your views on sex and stuff are relevant if you're going to be a politician. >> they're not. there aren't laws outlawing sex and if there are, they shoulding on the local level as i make the case for local control as opposed to federal control. >> so am i wright in assuming your views have evolved over the years? >> well, i am a practicing catholic and i support what the catholic church teaches but would i as a -- i was about to say my age but as an older woman, go on that show again, no. i wouldn't go on that show again nor would i choose to do an interview about that subject. it was a different time in my life. i was excited and passionate about this new belief that i had. this new faith that i found. i was eager to share it with my peers. >> are you still a supporter of total abstinence even if you are on your own? >> are you the pro-masturbation talk show host? >> yes, why not. >> good for you for taking that stand. >> if the option is to be the anti, i think i would be in the pro department, yes. i'm not afraid to say so. over to you, ms. o'donnell. >> what i'm going to do and what my goal is now is to fight for the freedom of speech in america which allows to you say that. that's what's my focus right now is to fight for the constitutional principles that made our country great because we do have a movement in washington that is completely abandoning it. >> have you committed lust in your heart and therefore adultery? >> let's not even go there. let's get the conversation back to the book. that's why i'm here. >> this to me is a natural extension to ask you a very relevant position of any politician -- >> i address it all in the book. >> what is your view of gay marriage, for example? >> i address that stuff in the book. >> you're on here to promote the damn book. you can't keep saying it's all in the book. >> i'm here to talk about the book. >> yes. i'm talking about the book. you keep saying it's all in the book. tell me what's in the book. >> why don't you ask me questions about what i say in the chapter called our follower in chief where i criticize barack obama. >> because right now i'm curious -- right now i'm curious about whether you support gay marriage. >> you're borderline being a little bit rude. >> really? >> i obviously want to talk about the issues that i choose to talk about in the book. >> do you answer that question in the book? >> i talk about my religious beliefs, yeah. i absolutely do. >> do you talk about gay marriage in the book? >> what relevance is that right now? is there a piece of legislation? i shouldn't be voting on anything. >> it's obviously as you know because michele bachmann's views and others, it's a highly contentious political issue. i'm curious what your view is. you keep saying it's in a book. why not say it in an interview if it's in the book? >> it's not relevant. it's not a topic i choose to embrace. i'm not champoning ion it right now. i'm promoting a book i hope to be a very inspirational story to people who are part of the tea party movement so they can continue, you know, in this movement to bring america back to the second american revolution. that's my goal. that's my focus right now. >> so would you agree with me, michele bachmann, we should maybe repeal don't ask, don't tell? >> i'm not talking policies. i'm not running for office. ask michele bachmann what she thinks and the candidates that are running for office what they think. >> why are you being so weird about this. >> i'm not being weird about this, piers. i'm not running for office. i'm not promoting a legislative agenda. i'm promoting the policies laid out in the book. that's why i agreed to come on your show. i'm not being weird. you're being a little rude. >> i am baffled as to why you think i'm being rude. i'm being charming and respectful. i'm asking questions based on your own public statements and now what you've written in your own book. it's hardly rude to ask you that surely. >> don't you think as a host if i say this is what i want to talk about, that's what we should address? >> not really, no. you're a politician. >> okay. i'm being pulled away. we turned down another interview for this. >> where are you going? you're leaving? >> i was supposed to be speaking at the republican women's club at 6:00 and i chose to be a little late for that not to be, you know, yeah, not to endure rude talk show hosts but to talk to you about my book and to talk about the issues that i address in my book. have you read the book? >> yes, but these issues are in your book. that's my point. you do talk about them. >> okay. all right. are we off? are we done? >> he's still there. >> i'm not. i'm still here. >> he says he still wants to talk to you. >> it would appear that the interview has just been ended. >> christine o'donnell. i want to issue a personal invitation for you to come back on my show tomorrow night to explain why you walked off and to answer some of what i thought were pretty straightforward questions based on your own politics statements public statements. i promise not to be even remotely rude. coming next, starbucks ceo howard schultz and why he wants to cut off big buck contributions to washington. [ male announcer ] this is what it's like getting an amazing discount on a hotel with travelocity's top secret hotels. [ gnome ] ahhh... [ male announcer ] the easy way to get unpublished discounts of up to 55% off top hotels. [ gnome ] your fingers are quite magical. howard schultz is not just man who caffeinates america and the world, he wants to stop giving money to candidates. he's also the author of "onward." he joins me now. howard schultz, thank you for joining us. i want to make sure you're not going to walk out on me like my last guest. >> i'm here to stay. >> excellent. now, i want to read you a quote which you recently gave as kind of a standard bearing mantra to other ceos. you said over the last few