jim spellman. he's standing outside the theater. we can see the neon sign behind you. let's talk first about this video. i know it's black and white. what more can you tell us? >> yeah, police describe this whole apartment as being designed to kill. all rigged up to a trip wire at the front door. it took them almost two days before they could figure out how to dismantle this safely, ult the matly using water to render inoperable this control box. fortunately there wasn't a timer to it because they needed that much time to sort out how to do it. when they were finally able to render it safe, they took them to the country and detonated them. the fire ball in the middle of the field was huge, devastating to ponder the impact should a first responder or police officer gone through that door. >> about the investigation, jim, what's the latest? i thought seeing the suspect in court yesterday and seeing all of his facial -- i guess i would call them ticks or just -- he looked weird and he also was acting very strange. >> reporter: to me, when i was in the courtroom and when i sat there looking at him, to me he looked small and weak and lost. he won't really officially be charged in monday, we anticipate 70 counts. the defense will get their access to the movie theater and apartment as they start to build their case. an important thing will happen in the case soon will be a competency hearing to see whether the suspect is competent to go ahead with the trial or not. >> we're watching this case very closely, especially when the charges are put forward. jim spellman, thank you. we'll have more on this topic with retired fbi agent ray lopez in just a moment. first a look at the day's top stories, christine romans has that for us. >> moupting concern in the u.s. and israel about chemical weapons possibly entering the fray in syria, fierce fighting continuing overnight in city of alep po, the assad regime clinging to power this morning. here's the development that's getting attention, a spokesman publicly threatening to deploy chemical weapons against any foreign intervention. it's a threat senator john mccain is taking seriously. >> there is a danger of chemical weapons that are presently under bash ar al assad's control from flowing to hezbollah, presenting a grave threat to the security of israel. >> president obama warning the assad regime it would be a tragic mistake to use chemical weapons, promising syria will be held accountable if it does. a new era for penn state's football program after a massive punish from the ncaa. they leveled a $60 million fine, imposed a four-year boan own postseason activity and stripped the school of scholarships and football victories for the last 14 seasons. penn state says it won't fight the stiff sanctions. we'll heard from mike and mike in the morning just ahead. charges will be brought against several key figures arrested in the "news of the world" phone hacking scandal. andy coulson and rebekah brooks will be charged. coulson was former aid to david cameron and close confidant of rupert murdoch. a total of 24 people, including 15 current and formal journalists have been arrested since the investigation was launched a year and a half ago. she didn't just break the glass ceiling, blasted it into space, sally ride, the first american woman to orbit the earth died after battling pancreatic cancer. she made a second trip aboard the same shuttle a year later. president obama called her a national hero and inspiration to countless women. sally ride was 61 and soledad, i'm sure it was the same for you, you grew up hearing about her and her amazing achievement, really taught girls and women an awful lot about what they can do in science technology. >> i don't necessarily think her amazement achievement was the first thing, going up in space, all of that commitment to try to get young women to follow in her footsteps, she was awesome. we'll miss her. back to our top story this morning, new details about all of these explosives that were found inside the apartment of the aurora shooting suspect. we want to get to ray lopez, a retired fbi agent and former team leader of the hazardous response unit. nice to see you. what we know is that all of these i.e.d.s, i am pro advised explosive devices were rigged to a control box and glass containers because they would accelerate any kind of explosion. have you ever seen domestically any kind of setup like this? >> no, soledad, good morning. this would be one of the first times i think we've ever seen what we can describe as a house bomb in the united states. some of these things do exist overseas, we've seen them in places like iraq and afghanistan. also in colombia, south america, but this is the first one i can actually recall reading or seeing about in the united states where it was actually set to destroy the home. >> the source for cnn talking to our reporter poppy pharlow it looked like massive spaghetti and wires all connected. would this something incredibly complicated and the suspect would need quite a fair amount of expertise to be able to do this? >> no, you know, the expertise is out there. i think he's -- you look at his peddegree that i was a graduate student working towards his ph.d.. i think he had the education and knowledge, it is on the internet. with a little bit of common sense and he has quite a bit of that. very intelligent. he just put it all together and had something ready to go for the apartment. >> that's awesome. poppy harlow was talking to a source who said this, the flame would have consumed the entire third floor of the apartment complex by the time a fire truck would have arrived to the building, completely consumed in flames. the damage potential seems massive and at the same time, what we know about the suspect he tipped off pice when they were able to apprehend him. those two things seem almost contradictory to me. >> yes, again, i think eventually we're going to find out through investigation that i think he was leading the police on to try to get to that apartment and either worse case scenario kill the police officers going to the apartment and destroy the evidence that existed in the apartment. >> we were told the way they were able to disable the control box was to do something call water shock. is that typical to disarm a rigged explosive device? what exactly is water shock? >> it's just driving water using explosives as the medium. you're using water to actually cut through if you will, or disrupt the electric circuit tri of the explosive ied. >> let me ask a question about his mental state, that is a big question, everybody seeing him in court yesterday. would someone be able to compile something so deadly as you point out, being able to be me tick house plotting and planting and does that contradict with a his defense attorneys will say, this is a person who doesn't know the difference between right and wrong, maybe the insanity defense? >> right. i think if law enforcement perspective, you think you have to let the professionals do their job in mental health to determine the status of this individual and it's -- i think it's a complicated situation. i think from the law enforcement point of view, both state sean local and federal, we move ahead and the prosecution phase gathering the evidence, doing the interviews and collecting all of the scientific report and data. and getting ready to go to court as if this guy were competent to stand trial. personally i think this took a lot of planning. this was not something that he thought about overnight. the weapons were purchased using his driver's license, he did it as far as we know legally. he got these explosives together and actually studied this. it was not something done haphazardly. we'll leave it to the mental health officials to determine at what point someone is not all there but think through these things. it is complicated to put this together. >> i would think the focus would be -- the critical point would be do you know the difference between right and wrong, if you're booby trapping your apartment, that would sound to me that you might, might be the challenge. that is a question for lawyers and mental health professionals to discuss and maybe not us today. ray lopez, nice to see you, thanks for talking with us, we appreciate it. >> you bet. >> we're going to talk about the ncaa. did they go too far penalizing penn state football? mike and mike join me and whether it will change the culture of the university. plus, our get real this morning, a bid to bedazzle the state capitol, shaking up an election in brooklyn. my playlist believes with marvin sapp "rain on me", what a great way to start, a little gospel. this is new york state. we built the first railway, the first trade route to the west, the greatest empires. then, some said, we lost our edge. well today, there's a new new york state. one that's working to attract businesses and create jobs. a place where innovation meets determination... and businesses lead the world. the new new york works for business. find out how it can work for yours at thenewny.com. s different but centurylink is committed to being a different kind of communications company by continuing to help you do more and focus on the things that matter to you. the hois housing market is bottoming out, a new report from zillow shows home prices on the rise, the new price for a median home, $149,300. checking the markets right now, u.s. stock futures are trading lower. european and asian markets are down too. between the debt crisis in europe and the debt ceiling debate here, still a lot of uncertainty in the markets. living on the edge. a new study shows 38% of americans are now living paycheck to paycheck, up from a decade ago. less than one third of those surveyed felt comfortable financially and only about a third think they can afford to retire by age 65. soledad? >> all right, christine, thank you. a new chapter begins for penn state's football program. its future is unclear after strict penalties were handed down for the jerry sandusky child sex abuse scandal. the school was hit with $60 million in fines over five years, a ban from bowl games for four years, a reduction from 25 to 15 scholarships a year for four years and the team has been stripped of all wins going back to 1998. that means joe paterno is no longer the winningest coach in football history, he's now number eight. ncaa president mark emmert said the goal is to change the culture. >> one of the grave dangers stemming from our love of sports is that the sports themselves can become too big to fail and indeed too big to even challenge. the result can be an erosion of academic values that are replaced by the val yu of hero worship. >> hosts of mike and mike in the morning. let's start with reaction -- i've been listening to you all morning. >> good morning, soledad. the reaction is overwhelming. this is a case unlike anything we've ever seen beginning with the horrific charges in jerry sandusky and the unique penalties that have come down. some argue shutting down the program for one year would have been less damaging than this would be. >> there are many that think the ncaa really shouldn't have stepped into this situation which was so outside of football even though the head coach through the freeh report was involved and it was in the football locker rooms as well with things going on. there's still a big debate about that as well. >> wasn't the goal as we heard from the head of the ncaa to change the culture and it's a culture sort of created by a really powerful and successful football program. rob kravitz said it's not going to work if that's the goal. if the ncaa thinks this is going to bring about a giant shift in the cultural pair dime, its head is in the clouds. nothing is going to change, not as long as college football is a multibillion dollar business. i read that and thought that is so continue cynical. do you think he's right? >> i think he's absolutely right. when penn state is recruiting players, other coachers are going to be recruiting same players, they are going to say, it's a shame what happened to penn state, it's horrific what happened, but do you really want to go to that school? you can't play for a conference championship, you can at our school. you can't play in a bowl game, you can at our school. you may want think about coming to our school. bob kravitz i think is correct. >> think of it this way. for getting the amount of money and revenue they make, penn state, when joe paterno got there half a century ago was a small rural institution in the middle of pennsylvania, no one had ever heard of. it is a world renowned institution and joe paterno was the biggest reason for that. how do you put a dollar value on that. as long as that exists, this situation isn't going anywhere. >> the reason you were allowed to have an assistant coach who could rape children and have a bunch of people who knew about it and turn their heads is because of this culture. what is the fix? how do you change a culture that says this is an entity so powerful, we don't care whose being hurt, we have to protect at all costs. what's the fix to that? >> look, let's be clear, the sandusky situation hopefully is one that is completely unto itself. like to think that any normal human decent human being would put the welfare of child above dollars. you're talking about individuals facing criminal prosecution and deservedly so. but as far as the corruption on a much less evil sense, that this kind of culture can create, i don't think that's going to change at all. >> no, it's just not. big time programs are going to say that was horrific what happened at penn state, that's never going to happen again. we're running a fine program even with our football coach having a whole lot of power. >> nice to talk to you guys, love sitting around chatting about sports. great to see you. >> thanks, soledad. >> thank you. >> some of the players say they will be staying with the program. still ahead, she's adding sopizs to politics. her flashing new website in hot pink in our get real up next. our "starting point" time heading in to talk about that. ryan lizza, margaret hoover, will cain. nice to see you. welcome back, the search for two missing girls in iowa now focused on a person who may have been paddleboating on the lake where the girls bikes were found. investigators believe 10-year-old lyric cook and her cousin are still alive. police in los angeles investigating some sort of family disturbance at the home of michael jackson's mother. deputies determined there was a physical altercation at the home but no one has been arrested. and trading one diva for another, mariah carey has signed on to replace jennifer lopez as an american idol judge. she'll make $18 million, the highest paid judge on any music competition show. >> soledad? >> all right, christine. thank you. our team this morning, ryan lizza is with us and margaret hoover, former white house appointee, bush administration. >> nice to see you live and in person. our get real is one of our favorites, i might love this woman. i love her. she's 22 years old, young woman from brooklyn is going to take on albany. her name is mindy meyer and she's running for a new york state senate seat as a republican. this is our website, bringing a little sparkle and i mean that literally to politics, hot pink blast the song yt sexy and i know it. she declares i'm senator and i know it. her issues declare she's the diva of the district in leopard print and her site says she is the first young woman in the history of new york to run for the new york state senate which of course is not really true but maybe the first 22-year-old. there's a great shot of her posing with the capitol behind her. it's the u.s. capitol and she's running for a state senate seat. she wouldn't be working in the u.s. capitol. >> details. >> she has her eye -- >> orthodox jew, as bedazzling the website is -- >> i love her. the reason she went to law school student, she saw legally blond, the movie. >> oh, god. >> what's wrong with that? >> to be inspired go to law school. >> why do you love her? >> because she's turning it all on her head. here's a young woman has a law degree and wants to be a senator. i think she said she looked at other politician's websites -- >> she's 22? >> thought they were boring. thought they were boring, so she went to law school. what's wrong with being inspired by "legally blond" to go to law school. >> she wants to bring more -- >> will doesn't like the pink. >> here's what she says about pink. you. >> not the pink that's throwing me off. >> doesn't say about the leopard print. you can make pink sophisticated. she took pink to a top legal institution like harvard, talking about elle in legally blond. why can't i bring it to the senate? she's trying to make it interestiinteres interest. >> when you're unknown, what's the hardest thing in politics. >> you're being contrary right now, right? >> she's figuring out a way of publicity. >> she's going to be running against -- >> from "legally blond". >> >> there are worse things to take your inspiration, to be inspired to go to law school, is that such a bad thing? >> no. >> she's 22. >> i'm berating you into agreeing with me. here's how you know she has a serious chance. she's running against kevin parker and he says this, does she know she's not running against the u.s. senator gillebrand -- he's scoffing. you don't do that if you're not nervous. >> it is a subtle endorsement of her, actually. she has the conservative party chair's endorsement from brooklyn, running on the republican line and democratic line. >> she has us talking about her campaign. she's genius. >> after the colorado movie theater shooting, the gun control debate returns. you haven't heard much from president obama or mitt romney about it. why talking guns is bad politics at times. plus, the public gets its say on the proposal to ban super size sodas. we'll debate that coming up. here's margaret's playlist, cold play. 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