the same debate stage with him. here's cbs' ben tracy. >> reporter: the debate over the debates: president trump says it's either in person or he's out. >> no, i'm not going to waste my time on a virtual debate. that's not what debating is all about, you sit behind a computer and do a debate. it's ridiculous. and then they cut you off whenever they want. >> reporter: with a covid- infected commander in chief, the debate commission unilaterally decided next thursday's town hall, with questions from actual voters, would be done remotely, in order to protect the health and safety of all involved. now biden will participate in a televised town hall on his own. both campaigns say they will meet in person on october 22, the night scheduled for the third and final debate. the trump campaign also demanding a debate on october 29. biden says no. >> i'm sticking with the dates. i'm showing up. i'll be there. and in fact, if he shows up, fine. if he doesn't, fine. >> reporter: president trump says he will hold a rally next thursday, and cbs news has learned he may hit the campaign