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also, a parallel case to the documents case, what happened there and what trump might be facing. a lot there. >> a woman gets sent to jail for four years. >> it's not even as bad. >> for doing far less than donald trump. one thing she did the same thing donald trump did, she hid her documents in a bathroom. >> she wasn't given months and months to pretty please return them. >> right. >> i mean, this is what trump is facing. >> four years in jail. >> some believe that former president trump might be putting up a brave front but is very, very afraid. we'll talk about that. ed luce, thank you very much. joining us now, former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst steve rattner. >> steve, we hear how bad the economy is all the time. >> well -- >> from the same gesturing republicans who, well, as aristotle would say, make stuff up. one thing we've heard politicians talk about for years is the need to get our
trump, people and his speech at bedminster and going to the restaurant, the cuban restaurant, and people singing and praying with him. he's maintained his usual bravado in public. >> people that know him, i've heard it and rev's talked about this and we'll talk about it some more after the story, but people that know him know he's whistling past the graveyard. this is a guy who's -- >> i see something different. >> -- scared. he's really scared. he should be. you'd be dumb not to be scared out of your mind. >> one of his former white house chiefs of staff says that behind the scenes, the former president is terriied about his legal situation. in an interview with "the washington post," john kelly used an expletive to describe just how scared his ex-boss is. >> we don't like to swear on this show. >> no. >> but i'm going to put it in quotes, he said, quote, if aristotle says it. >> aristotle does not say it. >> do you want me to quote it
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you're just making -- up. >> joe! >> half of what she said is a lie. the other half, she has the other half. when it goes sideways and even more evidence comes out, well, i was, i was, i was saying this was a dangerous thing. >> drop a little i'm inclined to pardon, biden bribery reporting. >> hillary bleaching -- >> jonathan lemire -- >> he wants to quote aristotle. >> that's the translation in fairness. >> not in the original greek. >> but you sort through it, you can. >> but that is, jonathan lemire, the pattern, the on-ed page of the "wall street journal" says this is a misguided prosecution. it makes all those disclaimers. they shouldn't have done it and worry about the consequences downstream. it's "the wall street journal."
recognition that this is -- that the important bodies of knowledge to pass on and therefore the writing is done for poft ofity? >> very much so, and si think that's particularly noticeable among the greeks. they may well have been noticeable among mesopotamians, with socrates first and plato and then aristotle and then they came to grips with it and thought a, we have to pass this on and he came up with this still extent today, it's true belief. i believe you to be a man. i know you're a man, but you're fareed zakaria, i'm pretty sure there is a picture of fareed that justifies my belief. you, therefore, i know i have the knowledge of who you are. >> it's provable. >> provable, justifiable. my belief because the difference between belief and knowledge is particularly when we get to
it has been planned for some time, you are right with obama most of his moved of most radical people are surrounding biden, tell the difference between equally and equity. >> it is simple. equality is the equality of opportunity, everyone is free to succeed or fail on a level playing feel, equity is government mandated quality of resolve, everyone will be equal on almost every aspect of your life, whether it is your house, car or job or ideas. it is something that that people had warned us about. aristotle said part of problem withing which challenge of democracy once a man votes equal to another problem biologic he feels that different must make him