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haley is running on her donors issues, and ron desantis is running on the peoples issues. the biggest contrast i see is what we saw our national debt go up eight trillion dollars, whereas in florida in that same period, ron desantis brought down their debt down 41%. >> that's important. where you are sitting the little barb right above it he has, there you go, move that thing. thank you so much. he's got this tabulation going. it says the u.s. national debt and by the newest, tell me what this is on your lapel. >> i'm an engineer so i designed a debt clock so my colleagues would have to look at it all the time. i gave one to ron desantis, but he said he want to be re-designed it to go to florida's. that his debt went down 25% since he was. there >> you got speaker of the
and his team seems to be continuing, you know, reinforcing the notion that he's in charge of his own defense and strategy, not in coordination with the white house, not in coordination with democrats, and he seems to one up republicans on capitol hill. they were caught off guard and unawares and i think that you could hear that from the language, which was very demeaning and i don't think it makes a difference at all to the american people who care about their pocketbooks, their homes, what is going to happen with themselves, their families and their children. and this is just all garbage and hog wash to them and i don't think it is going to make a blip when it comes to the election in november. >> barb, in more legal news surrounding hunter biden, tomorrow, he will be arraigned on nine tax-related charges, including three felony counts out of a federal court in los angeles. the charges were brought by the special counsel david weiss. just how serious are these
latest charges? >> these are very serious charges. in fact, that detailed indictment really does break down all of the allegations. i think it appears that they're based on documents and documents cases are very strong because it is very difficult to cross-examine documents for bias or for forgetfulness. they're serious, they bring significant prison time and they appear to be very well documented. >> all right, thank you, all, so much. barb, stand by. joining us now is a member of the oversight committee, congressman jared moskowitz, a democrat from florida. he was in the room with hunter biden this morning. congressman, we saw you, because our camera was taking it live, you pushed back directly on the republican lawmakers in that committee room. what was your take on what we all witnessed? >> well, thanks, ana, thank you for having me. look, i think it was pretty aggressive of hunter to come,
possibly secretary austin. this is something they're marking the start of this year as an oversight impeachment year, it is also an election year, so because of this, and all of these political dynamics today will be one to watch. but as ryan said, it is expected that they will successfully report out this resolution and then it will head to the house floor for a vote. >> julie, i'll let you go, so you can go and see what is happening. barb, the house could vote to hold in contempt hunter biden. that would send this to the department of justice. are there contempt claims legitimate, do you think? would you expect the doj to move forward with charging contempt? >> so this is really interesting. i think from a political matter, before congress, hunter biden likely is in contempt. that's because he doesn't get to call the shots. if the house wants to have him behind closed doors, he wants to be in public, it is not his call. so i think he could very well be in contempt of congress. now, making that a crime, however, is a very different matter. if i'm a prosecutor looking at
desantis choosing how far to go in taking on trump. it's also the party's voters. >> people can be vicious online. especially behind a screen. you know, people can leave -- can say things about you and they don't even know you. i want people to know that i'm still a conservative. i still have conservative values. i'm a republican, but just because i'm not a big fan of donald trump right now does not mean that i'm not a republican. >> reporter: katy, kyle, barb, jodi, they represent a wing of the republican party today that does not have a home. each of those three told me they wish that liz cheney was running for the president of the united states, but obviously that is not reality, and as we approach not only the iowa caucus but other primaries around the country, it is folks like kyle, barb and jodi that are wondering where they fit in the american political system today. >> you know, i wonder what we
it is so ironic that the 14th amendment in all of its complexity has been such a contentious issue since it was ratified and here we are in 2024 still grapping with it. >> that's part of why it is so at it was at that the senators were grapping with at the time. there was a single reference to the fact that the president and vice predent were not explicitly med in howard's s officers of the united stat. ate officials had been ress and itemized in the text. why did you admit to exclude them asked a senator. let me call the senator's attention to the words or hold any office civil or military under the united states he said ending the discussion on that point. does that answer the question of if the president is included, barb? >> i think so. i think one of the things that the court will be looking at is we have a lot of textualists on
democracy. that's really when the deadline is, that's where, you know, the ground meets the rubber, so to speak. i don't see at this point, if it were only one state, only colorado, there might be a procedural way for the supreme court to kind of get out of deciding this kind of issue. but the supreme court doesn't like deciding big constitutional issues if they can avoid it. now there are two states, the general election is coming, i am with barb, i believe the supreme court is going to have to wrangle with these very, very technical issues looking back to the intent of the drafters of the 14th amendment and decide once and for all what the limits of that are. i think it is important for us on programs like this and in our work to make clear to the american people this is part of the procedure, this, too, is how democracy works. this isn't somebody railroading a system in maine, this is a secretary of state following the law as she sees it. voters lodged a complaint, she made a decision and then sent it to the courts. that's exactly what is supposed to be happening.
above calendar demonstrates, expedited resolution of this case will ensure the colorado voters cast ballots in the presidential primary election, knowing whether trump is qualified to serve as president. providing the certainty is important both for the candidates and colorado's republican primary and most importantly for the millions of republican and unaffiliated voters in colorado who will be casting ballots in that election. the urgency, it is palpable, barb. >> i think she's right. she makes the argument in colorado, they are a super tuesday state. she said her deadline drop dead is something like february 12th. in the iowa caucuses, they're going to go cast their votes on january 15th and people could be disinclined to vote for donald trump. in donald trump's defense, if they think he might not be a viable candidate, and so to protect his interests, the court really needs to decide this very quickly. >> and here is the thing, there are the legal arguments going to
access based on section three of the 14th amendment. i am also mindful, however, that no presidential candidate has ever before engaged in insurrection. let's focus on that word, engaged, because that, barb, is what section three says, it does not say convicted of an insurrection. >> yes. and i think that's such an important point. this is an excellent opinion by the way. it is 34 pages long and i urge everybody to look at it, it is available on her website. what she talks about there is the distinction between being convicted of the criminal offense of insurrection, and what the 14th amendment says, which is simply to engage in insurrection or provide aid and comfort to those who do. there is no requirement that a person be convicted of that crime. it is a finding by a preponderance of the evidence, which she uses there, based largely on the transcript from the january 6th select committee in the house that made certain findings. and so she talks about the things that donald trump did to
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