thank you for watching, while we were just talking about this summer s o olympics it is also worth noting that just minutes from now we will officially be two years out from the fifa world cup which will take place here in the u.s. after 30 years and you re in luck. get your count down clock started now. and on that note i wish you a very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks at nbc news, thanks for staying up late with me. i ll see you at the end of tomorrow. thank you for joining us this hour. really happy to have you here. we have an interesting show for you tonight. i m particularly glad you re here for us. we re going to start a ways back as we sometimes do. when allied soldiers came ashore on the coast of france on the beaches of normandy for the d day invasion. they opened up new western front against the nazis in europe. and that of course was a shock to the germans right. this, the operation overlore, the d day invasion it relied on the element of surprise. and the germans really were shocked. they had been occupying france for four years at that point. they had installed a collaborationist regime that they fashioned from nazi forces inside france. the collaborationists and the nazis together were ruling france and they had been for years. there was a french resistance to the nazis but the nazis and their puppets were definitely in charge. they were actually heading into year five of being in charge. they were really settled in in france. and then here comes this shock arrival. this invasion, hundreds of thousands ultimately millions of ally troops landing on the beaches and the cliffs or the northwest of france and they are clearly planning to take it all back. the d day invasion, the allied invasion started on june 6th. now on this date, on june 10th, 1944 just four days into the d day invasion, the germans were reacting. they had been of course shocked by the initial invasion. but a few days into it they now realize the scale of what they were up against and they had started scrambling their units from all over france. turning all the available german troops in france toward the northwest of that country to try to stop the allied advance. and that included a nazi assess panser division that had been in the south of france down by toulousse. that division was ordered to essentially traverse south of the country and toward the beaches of normandy. and on their way north through france toward the new allied front lines the new western front, this panser division stopped in a village called orador, pronazi french collaborators had told them. they told this panser unit that the french resistance was active many this town and told them that the french resistance had killed a nazi officer. and in response that panser unit that yes they were on the way to go join the new western fronts and the battle for the whole war, right. to try to shore up the german lines against the big allied invasion but they decided that on the way they would stop and destroy that village and everyone in it. they rounded up every woman, and child in that village. they even rounded up people who did not live in the village but who were near by or had the misfortune of passing through the village when the nazi unit made this decision. that nazi unit killed every human being in orador or everyone they could find. they killed 643 civilians a vast majority of them women and children. they used machine guns and they burned them alive. they looted the entire village and then they tore down the village as best they could, they razed it. orador. this is what it looks like today. still in ruins. the french decided after the war they would never rebuild. they would leave the ruins, preserve them as they were left at the end of the war as a memorial to what the nazis did. and we have these photos of what orador looks like today. literally today because this morning the president of france and the president of germany visited the ruins at orador to commemorate what they called the martyrdom. now this is not the first time that french president emmanuel macron has visited orador. 10 days before he was first elected president he went there. he visited the village, just before he was elected president. he visited in the company of the man who was then the last living survivor of that massacre. i said the nazis killed everyone in the village. at least everyone they could find. the nazis kill over 600 civilians that day but there were about half a dozen people from the village who against all odds in a miracle managed to survive. the last one of the survivors was in his 90s when he brought emmanuel macron to orador. that last survivor has since died. but today macron went back to the site to orador to show this place to germany s president. now, in 1944 about six month, after orador happened, the germans were still hanging on. but thanks in large part to the d day invasion they knew by the end of 1944 that they were losing. they were losing to soviet forces in the east for sure. they were also simultaneously losing to the allied forces coming in from the west. once the allies opened that new western front with the d day invasion, they started pressing their advantage against the nazis ever where. they re not only liberating france. they re pressing toward germany itself. hitler knows they cannot sustain the losses they re taking on both the eastern and western fronts. so about six months app after d day. hitler decides he s going to form a huge counter offensive against the allies. the allies are closing in on germany s own borders. when hitler musters hundreds of thousands of men to mount a counter offensive against them in the forests of belgium, it absolutely is a surprise to the allies. nobody thought germany still had them in them. a lot of people thought that the war would be done by christmas that year. where did the germans muster 4,000, 5,000 men to counter this offensive but they did. that began a 6 week battle, that would become the biggest counter of the war. as far as that brutal war of that battle. that was the battle of the bulge. that battle also came with its own astonishing and unforgettable atrocity. it was another panser unit much like the one in orador. they ended up in the very outset of that surprise german counter offensive. they ended up ambushing a bunch of americans. the result was they took custody of a large group of american prisoners of war. unarmed american pows. and these pows they again they had surrendered, they had no weapons. the nazis lined up those americans on a field. they are pows, they had surrendered, had no weapons. but the nazis just massacred them on that field. and just like in orador is the fact that there were somehow miraculously some survivors. there were some american gis who had also been lined up on that field who nevertheless lived. americans gi who played dead, who hid under the dead bodies of their comrades. who managed in the end to drag themselves into the woods to get away. and what happened to them? you will not believe me when i tell you this but it would not be long before a sitting united states senator would vehemently object to them giving testimony of what they saw, to what happened to their platoon men. the other pows who were massacred by the nazis. a sitting u.s. senator tried to block those veterans from testifying. he said the american people shouldn t hear it. he said it would be inflammatory, it would inflame the americans against those nazis who killed the american pows. i find it absolutely insane to think about but this became a very strange thing in american domestic politics. i mean, there were unrepenitent left over nazis. they were trying to make americans the real bad guys. when you think about unrepenitent nazis who just lost the war. the thing that you wouldn t believe is that they enlisted a lot of americans to help them in that project. including taking a stand against the american soldiers who survived that pow massacre and demanding that the nazis who did it should be set free. this became a cause seleb in the right wing at the time. it helped launch the national career, the rocket ship ascendants of arguably the most radical figure in the last 80 years before donald trump. while he was swimming in these very dark waters. darker than seems possible in mainstream american politics he would go on to lead a movement of millions of followers who were increasingly radicalized by his increasingly radical rhetoric and tactics over time. his fellow republicans were both repelled by him, horrified by him. while they also wanted in on some of the massive political energy and fanatical devotion that he attracted. they thought very seriously about putting him forward for the presidency. and the reaction among close observers of him and his tactics looked so much like what you are seeing in the american press today about the fear of a second trump term you wouldn t believe it isn t just a straight up rerun. in his time the people who stood up against him, mostly got mowed down in politics by the strength of his fanatical following. that happened for a very long time. until eventually ultimately it stopped happening and the forces against him prevailed. and i m telling you this for two reasons. number one, this is the thing that i have been working on for the past year. my podcast rachel maddow presents ultra is out today. you can get it any where you get podcasts. if you don t usually listen to podcast you don t know how to do that. if you open your phone right now, open the camera, you click on the little box that pops up on your phone, it will bring you right there so you can listen to it. you can listen to it for free. it s free to listen to. there are eight episodes of this all together. episode one is out today. i hope you will want to listen. i ve been working very hard on it. i m very proud of it but i just, i hope you like it. i hope you will check it out. so that s one of the reasons i m telling you this story. i have been working on this story. i had been working in general on stories about other times in our american history that we have dealt with really terrible threats to the country. where we have confronted really radical people with really radical refine who get into political power and attract large followings. this has happened to us before. the reason i ve been working on this for the last couple of years including this new one that launches today, for me, i feel like i really need to learn this stuff and fast. for me there is a real urgency to learn these stories now. from when we have contended with terrible challenges before. particularly what we re talking about powerful americans, advocating for athoriatism. when it s about selling lies to the american public. and half is mortified by that but the other half of the public are super energized by it. they not only believe these lies they kind of become the new reason for them to live. the public gets gets like that, into earth one and earth two. and that place takes radicalizing them and it takes over their lives. we are living through a moment like that right now with what is ascendant at the american life. but we ve lived through this before. i feel i m racing to learn these stories about american who is have fought these kinds of fights before us for the simple reason that i feel like, i need their ideas about how to fight it. we need their ideas about how to fight these things. we need to see what worked and what didn t when americans faced threats like this before. and it doesn t mean that fighting them always works. sometimes they get away with a lot of this stuff and sometimes people take on incredible risk and danger to themselves. sometimes people risk their lives or give up their lives to fight these things but knowing the track records of americans who have stood up against these kinds of dark and authoritarian forces. knowing who else has tried it and what happened to them is helpful to us calibrating our available responses now and knowing what to expect when we confront these dark movements. so that is why i ve been working on this. and that is why that story is on my mind. tonight. but it is also what s on the news right now. i mean one of the remarkable things about seeing the french president with the german president at the ruins of orador today in france is they took that tour of the ruins of that village today. that preserved memorial to what fascism did in europe. they took that tour this morning. just one day after the german far right and the french far right won shockingly large proportions of the vote in the european elections that were held yesterday. in both of those countries the parties that did so well have ties not only to the old fascist parties of world war ii era germany and france but they both have tied to putin and russia. when president biden was in france, he and president macron agreed on a new plan to seize russian assets in the g7 countries and use those seized russian assets to provide more support to ukraine as ukraine continues to struggle against the russian invasion of that country. president biden is just back from france for these d day commemoration ceremonies. he heads back to europe the day after tomorrow to go to the g7 summit. among other things presumably to try to rally the other g7 nations to support this new plan. to support ukraine as much as possible including this new plan that he and macron have just agreed to involving seizing russian assets to help ukraine even more. and you know, in the american aperture here what s going on here in our politics while president biden is trying to you know rally the free world trying to strengthen our alliances as much as possible to lead collective international will, against a rogue dictatorship that has invaded one big european country already and has its sights set on more. here at home, literally while president biden and other american leaders were headed off to europe for the 80th anniversary of d day, while they were heading off to europe for that, what was happening in the american congress? a fifth of the republicans in congress just voted that we should leave our allies all together. that we should break up the big western alliance. that we should defund nato. and i think nobody really paid attention to this vote because this legislation was put forward by a very fringe member of congress. a member of congress who is known for her publicity stunts and she is therefor, i am eager, she is easy to ignore. but it wasn t just her. 47 republicans voted for this thing. a fifth of the republicans in congress last week voted to defund nato. don t just forget being the leader of the free world forget the whole idea of there being a free world at all. they saved that for the anniversary of d day. 46 republicans voting to defund nato. and as radical as that may seem, particularly when you think about where nato came from and why. the wing of the republican party that is pushing for this stuff, i mean on its face it seems unlikely that they would have such sway. right every few days we get a new mug shot of one of their leading lights because so many of them have been charged with crimes. today, it was their presidential candidates personal lawyer. who has had his law license suspended, who is under indictment rudy giuliani s mug shot just released today after he was arraigned in arizona. you can put it up on the wall with all the other maga republican mug shots we have accrued in the past year. their presidential candidate is a convicted felon. today he had to meet with his probation officer. people in his rallies not only fly t-shirts and fly flags that have his mug shot on them. they started carrying signs and wear shirts that say they are proudly voting for the convicted felon. at a rally this weekend, their presidential candidate described members of the mob of his supporters who physically attacked congress an injured dozens of police officers he described them in a speech this weekend as quote warriors. his warriors. people who took part in that mob attack on congress. his warriors. while a few days ago, two police officers who were both badly injured fighting hand to hand with that mob to defend congress, to defend the u.s. capital, those two police officers were jeered and booed by the republicans. they jeered them, turned their backs on them and walked out. these are two officers who were injured in that fight. they were literally injured defending our congress. but the republicans who jeered at them and turned their backs on them and walked out they want the attackers freed and they don t want to hear what these survivors of the attack had to say. they don t want to hear from the survivors and the witnesses they want the attackers set free. we are going through some weird stuff right now. but we have gone through weird stuff before. and i do think that we can learn from it and that we urgently need to. that s why i ve been working on all these projects. that s why i have this new podcast out and i hope you listen to it. it wasn t from the recent past, when we got donald trump in the white house in the first place. you may remember what proceeded. our shock presidential election result in 2016 was proceeded that year by some shocking and surprisingly right wing election results in europe. including the brexit vote which happened just months app months after trump s presidential win. was it right to see right wing election results in europe as a harbinger of what was happening to us in 2016. as biden has back to back trips to europe. he just got back to europe. he heads back to europe again on wednesday. do the election results from europe right now, this weekend have hallmarks that tell us anything about what to expect here and about how weird this is all going to get? president biden clearly sees our connections to europe right now as absolutely key to the future of the world. just what s going on in the european politics right now tell us anything to expect about the future of our world here? joining us now is ben rhodes. he s cohost of the pod save the world podcast. ben it s really great to see you. thanks for making time to be here tonight. good to see you. first, let me just ask you, for some of our viewers who may not have paid close attention to what was happening in the european elections this weekend. let me ask you two questions about them. do you think they are important for us to pay attention to, and can you give us a rough characterization of what happened in those elections? sure, these are elections for the european parliament. so the european union wide parliament. it s the only election that takes place every few years in which all of europe votes. so it s a good barometer of where opinion is in europe. i think the two headlines are, the far right made noticeable gains in the two largest countries in europe. france and germany. and france the national front party which is the far right party that used to be on the fringes of french politics, emerged as by far the largest vote getter in this election and just build on, what you were saying, rachel, this is a party that is far right they got a $10 million loan from russia in the last decade. this is reality. and in germany, the afd party which has ties that go back to the neonazi germany. they got 15% of the vote. not a huge total but very alarming given the source here. i want to be clear in other parts of europe, the center did hold. but the two most important countries france and germany we saw these far right gains. do you think that it s right to look back at 2016 to see some of what was going on in europe as a harbinger for the shocking election result we got in 2016 when trump won. do you think these election results should be read as a harbinger of what s coming down the pipeline for us this year? i absolutely do, rachel. the commonality about the brixit vote and the trump election was that it was a lot, it was a surprise. people did not think that brexit was going to win that campaign and they campaigned on a right wing populous message. the slogan was take back control. and they ran against globalists and liberal elites and against immigration and was very trumpy in its message. it kind of forshadowed what we ended up taling with in the fall. the warning in this election and you asked me a question to talk about my book a few years ago about far right parties and their commonalities around the world. you asked me what lesson should we learn. i always think about that. the lesson i take from this is there are incumbent parties in europe and france that have defended the status quo. emmanuel macron has been a defendant of the liberal union. people are not listening to that message right now. you cannot defeat these parties. these populous by beating the status quo. that s hard for the united states. but you have to tap into people s disfraction with globalization. dissatisfaction with inequality. that things are slipping out of control. it s not enough to say, we re the responsible adults you have to get down and have a message for how things are going change. i think that s the warning sign joe biden should hear. not enough to run on status quo. not enough to defend even things we think are very important. you have to meet people where they are and people are frustrated. ben rhodes former deputy national security advisor to president obama. ben, thank you for making the time. i feel like, when we need to like widen the lens a lot and look at america in the world, you re almost always one of the first people i think about on these things. thank you for being here. i can t wait for you to check out the podcast too, it sounds great. i appreciate it. thank you. we have much more ahead here tonight, please stay with us. that s why he 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had to stand up against forming the basis for this sprawling damming criminal indictment. the other story of georgia since that election is all the work that protrump republicans have done to make sure nothing like that ever happens again. to make sure nobody can ever again get in the way of trump seizing georgia s 16 electoral votes no matter what the votes say. the most obvious thing georgia republicans have done is used every tool at their disposal to derail willis prosecution of trump. in the latest, two republicans judges have placed the trial on pause. guaranteeing they will not go forward on trump before the election. that s only the start. in georgia s most populous country, one republican elections board member last month refused to certify the primary results there. because you know, elections are scary. with the help of lawyers from a protrump think tank she has now filed a lawsuit seeking the power to block the certification of elections which would of course throw november s results in georgia into chaos. which is presumably the point. meanwhile just north of fulton county republicans recently started agitating to take over an elections board in cherokee county. now the board there like other countries in georgia, has always been evenly split between democrats and republicans. but republicans are no longer okay with that they wanted a full scale republican take over. when that was blocked they came up with an ingenious new plan. they decided they would replace one of the democratic commissioners who had been nominated by the local republican party with their own choice. their own choice for a democrat. a new guy that none of the local democrats have never heard of. but don t worry, the republicans who run cherokee county swear this guy they picked is definitely a democrat. the atlanta general constitution reported that the republican cherokee county commission chairman quote assured the board the new board member is a democrat even if the local 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last month one of its republican members was ousted after trump reportedly spent months calling georgia republicans insisting that that election board member had to go. because that person was not backing trump s lies about the 2020 election. and so of course the guy had to go. trump s personal involvement in remaking the georgia state elections board, is just one of the revelations in new reporting from rolling stone. their new piece is headlined georgia is our laboratory. inside trump s plan to rig 2024. it details how trump s allies are working to make sure there will not be a straightforward election result in georgia this year. given georgia s status. what is happening there, what is happening to stop what is happening there. one of the reporters on that rolling stones piece joins us here next. stay with us. this soil will blow you away. it s the martha stewart of soil. when i was diagnosed with h-i-v, i didn t know who i would be. but here i am. being me. keep being you. and ask 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other, excuse me. order, order. by a larger margin than any other statewide office. the voters. order, order. have demonstrated their faith and therefor i do not believe that at present we have the authority to oversee or investigate the secretary of state. when georgia s board of elections the lone democrat on that elections vote spoke out against doing this unprecedented investigation of rathenburger. she was loudly shouted down? in a new article titled georgia is our laboratory. inside trump s plan to rig 2024, rolling stone says this, they have been shaping electoral processes to his benefit. maga die-hards are intimidating officials and ousting election officials who haven t been initiated into the cult of trump. georgia is the sole battleground state where the republican party has total control over power. have wielded that advantage in a crusade to convert, discredited election conspiracy theories into policies. well ahead of election day 2024. it s an alarmingly experiment that trump planned and much of the republican party hope to take national. joinening joining us now is donald rolsing. thank you for joining us. thank you for having me. so what are the steps trump has taken to take the electoral of georgia. one of the most disturbing one. who an attorney, a republican attorney they are planning to challenge the electoral results regardless of the result. we think of, the threat to elections from trump s behavior in to 2020 as only occurring in the event that trump loses. at the current state polling, trump is ahead in polling. if you believe the polling. but what they told us is that quote, you can t let the left get away with this cheating just because it didn t succeed you know air qualities around cheating. and the plan is to, challenge the results regardless of the outcome. the intent behind that is essentially a permanent delitimazation. heads you win, heads i lose. one of the things people should be paying close attention to is that refusal to certify in the fulton county board of elections in the presidential primary: because one of the things that s very, very notable about that is that the attorneys who filed that lawsuit work for america first policies institute. which is a very trumpy organization filled with former trump folks. and what you see in those type of processes is the legal january 6th in miniature. you re taking someone who is you know, acting beyond their brief and trying to essentially insert themselves into the counting and you know assessment of vote tallies. adam, is this actually a fight in georgia? you note, i think importantly that georgia is a place where republicans control all of the levers of power. we just played a the sound of the state elections board getting shouted down when she objected to what they were trying to do in terms of targeting rafensburger. is this fight joined where there s push back against what they re doing. or are they essentially running the table by changing processes to their own benefit. they definitely have quite a built in advantage. and i think that s why georgia, you know relative to other battleground states is particularly interesting because it is more so than perhaps any other state a fight for the sole republican party es especially when it comes to their sole. yeah in fact, kemp which was in the way of trump. kemp signed procedural jim crow of the 20th century. even folk who is have proven themselves to be obstacle to some of the most overt processes of it sometimes just go along to get along. it definitely does have an advantage and they are running the table in certain ways but you see folks like ed lyndsey who s resignation letter we obtained in the story. people like that you still do have these kind of principal republicans who are willing to stand up for what they believe in. as you see ed had resigned from a great deal of pressure from not just president trump but the grass roots of the party who believe in a lot of election 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meeting could be particularly nervewracking for him because one of the things a probation officer asks you after you re convicted of felonies is if you ve been associating with anyone who has a criminal record. that s worth noting because if he is ultimately sentenced to probation next month, while he s on probation he will not be allowed to associate with anyone with a criminal record and for a lot of people that wouldn t be a big deal but for him that s a big deal. that particular restriction eats away at a lot of his social circle. so maybe that was all distracting him. i don t know. he maybe had a lot, i don t know. whatever the reason, he decided to venture into new territory in his campaign speech yesterday, with less than 5 months out he decided what the landlocked citizens of las vegas needed to hear about from him in order to be persuaded to vote for him was his fear of boats. heavy boats. boats with batteries near sharks. you know nevada sharks. i know you have heard that 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is sinking, water goes over the battery. do i stay on top of the boat and get electrocuted or to i jump over by the shark. because he didn t phroep know the answer. he said, nobody has asked me that question. i said you know i think there s a lot of electric current going through that water. i ll take the electricution every single time. so we re going end that. we re going to end it for boats. vote accordingly. to show him he s #1. etsy has it. 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that will do it for us tonight. i told you that tonight would be a show and have. now it s time for the last word with lawrence o donnell. i listened to episode one of the new podcast today. i got to ask you a favor. okay. did you stop doing this thing where you reveal really dramatic interesting stories about united states senators i ve never heard of? because one of the angles on me getting a paycheck out of this place is i pretend that i m like the senate expert because i worked there for a while. this is not helpful, rachel. i spend the day listening to you telling me that a senator i ve never heard of, and, by the way, the single most dramatic thing that has ever occurred in the building where i used to work at i did not know it happened until today listening to you, and it s not supposed to be like that. i will start doing podcasts that are about state legislatures in states you never been to. rachel, i am filled with questions and possible spoiler questions that you are free to deflect, could you possibly join me after i get a little work done here about trump s probation to talk about the podcast because there are so many things i want to see if you can answer, and then, of course, there might be things you don t want to answer. i would love that. i look forward to answering your questions and dodging them? getting your slippers while i chat with andrew weissmann and we will do that. thank you. today was a routine workday for america s probation officers. one of those probation officers had the least routine workday of that probation officers life today when that probation officer new york city became the first probation officer in history to interview a former president of the united states. his first probation interview today is a standard and necessary part of determining what sentence donald trump should receive after a manhattan jury found him guilty of 34 felony charges of falsifying business records with the criminal intent of violating new york election lot in the 2016 presidential election. the probation department will use his responses today to determine what sentence the probation department will recommend for defendant trump at his sentencing hearing on july 11th. in another demonstration of donald trump getting extra favorable treatment, while he is complaining of being persecuted, judge juan merchan allowed his criminal defense lawyer to attend his first probation meeting and the probation department allowed it to take place virtually with donald trump in florida. a special treatment for trump did not go unnoticed by the legal aid society, the bronx defenders, new york county defender services and neighborhood defender services. they issued a joint statement saying all people convicted of crimes should be allowed counsel in their probation interview not just billionaires. this is another example of the two-tiered system of justice. presentencing interviews with probation officers influence sentencing, and public defenders are deprived of joining their clients for these meetings. the option of joining these interviews virtually is typically not extended to the people we represent either. to ensure integrity and fairness, we call on nyc department of probation to ensure that all new yorkers, regardless of income, status, or class, receive the same presentencing opportunities. nbc news is reporting that the interview lasted less than 30 minutes and that trump s probation officer is a woman. cnn is reporting that the commissioner for new york city department of probation was present along with the general counsel for the department. joining our discussion is the former commissioner of new york city s department of probation. thank you for joining us tonight. first of all, we want to get a sense of how unusual this was. we already have a sense that it was a bit unusual. as to the presence of counsel and it being remote you have these people representing other defendants saying that is never available to us. that is correct. it is highly unusual. i think it is appropriate to make some accommodation and recognize the fact that when trump shows up he will be accompanied by the secret service, he will be accompanied by the press, and his presence may be disruptive. the idea of doing the interview remotely does not troubled me that much. i think it is somewhat appropriate. and certainly during covid probation made use of these kind promote interviews. i think you can make arguments both ways. the presence of counsel is highly unusual and the presence of the commissioner is something i ve never heard of in 40 years in this business. can you think of a reason for doing it? would you have done it. would you join that meeting? no. i cannot think of a reason to do it. i think it skews the interview. i think too many people in the room is distracting and disruptive and not conducive to candor. i definitely would not have done that and i don t think it should be done in this case. 30 minutes is the report we are getting. what you make of that? it sounds abbreviated to me. usually these things take at least one hour. the content of what this interview is supposed to cover and what this report is supposed to address is spelled out very explicitly in state regulations, and it goes on in some link that covers a wide array of issues. i don t believe they could be addressed in a half hour unless mr. trump just refused to discuss all of them, which is his right to do. there is reporting that he did cooperate and answer all the questions. i m not sure whether that is completely true. assuming that, what you think the most important things aren t that they should have obtained in this discussion? i think that the judge certainly knows this defendant. he does not need to know much more. i think the important question to be addressed here was aggravating or mitigating circumstances. this was an opportunity for the defendant to set forth mitigating circumstances and for the probation officer, on behalf of the people, to set forth aggravating circumstances. but most importantly of all is the question of if this individual is not sent to prison but is granted probation , is this an individual who is likely to accept the terms of that probation and the supervision of a probation officer. and what would the terms of probation be and what would that supervision be like? all i can speak to is the typical case, and obviously, this is not a typical case. typically, a probationer would be expected to report to the probation office periodically. certainly no less than monthly at first. and to keep the probation officer apprised of his or her comings and goings, certainly not to engage in illegal activities and not to associate with individuals engaged in illegal activities. and not to misuse drugs or alcohol. to fulfill his or her financial obligations both to his or her defend dependence or any fines or restitution that has been ordered. what about associating with people who have been convicted of crimes? many people around donald trump have been convicted of crimes. historically this has been discouraged by probation agencies around the country. it has been liberalized somewhat recently, but i think it is something that the probation officer appropriately would discuss with the individual to determine whether the association is occurring for a good reason or not. martin horn, thank you very much for sharing your expertise. you are welcome. this evening in florida, trump s favorite federal judge denied his request to dismiss the federal criminal case against him for violations of the espionage act and illegal possession of classified documents. the judge said that the prosecution documents are permitted by law, raise evidentiary challenges not appropriate for disposition at this juncture, and/or do not require dismissal even if technically deficient, so long as the jury is instructed appropriately and presented with adequate verdict forms as to each of defendant s alleged conduct. the judge did grant the request to strike a paragraph of the indictment about his alleged meeting with a representative of his political action committee believed to be his campaign advisor, susie wiles, at his golf club in new jersey in 2021. it says that trump showed that person a classified map at that time. judge cannon said because showing that map is not one of the charged crimes in the indictment, it is not appropriate to include it in the indictment. in the ongoing scandal that is the united states supreme court, now there are tapes thanks to warren windsor. lauren windsor is an activist known to approach important republican people attending to be an ally and making flattering comments and secretly recording the responses. she is a dues paying member of the supreme court historical society, which has corrupted itself into an organization that allows right-wing supreme court influencers to comfortably influence right- wing supreme court justices at the annual dinner of that organization. last year at the supreme court historical society annual dinner, lauren windsor made recordings of her chats with supreme court justices that even she found so uninteresting she did not publish them. this year was different. she got samuel alito to agree on tape to returning the country to a place of godliness. as a catholic and as someone who really cherishes my faith, i just don t i don t know that we can negotiate with the left in the way that needs to happen for the polarization to end. i think it s a matter of, light, winning. i think you re probably right. on one side or the other, one side or the other is going to win. i don t know. i mean, there can be a way of working, a way of living together peacefully. but it s difficult, you know, because there are differences on fundamental things that really can t be compromised. so it s not like you re going to split the difference. that s what i m saying. it s just i think that the solution really is like winning the moral argument. like people in this country who believe in god have got to keep fighting for that to return our country to a place of godliness. i agree with you. and by contrast, chief justice roberts responded very differently. but you don t think there s a role for the court in guiding us toward a more moral path? no. i think the role for the court is deciding the case is. if i start would you want me to be in charge of guiding morals? i believe that the founders were godly, like were christians, and i think that we live in a christian nation and that are supreme court should be guiding us in that path. i don t know if that s true. i don t know that we live in a christian nation. i had jewish and muslim friends that would say maybe not and it s not our job to do that. it is our job to decide the cases as best we can. and since justice alito made his wife a public figure by blaming her publicly for flying flags supportive of the january 6th insurrection, you might expect her to have little to say to strangers about flags. and you would be wrong. why do you think they are coming after you? i mean like, the whole appeal to have have been flag the other thing is they believe rush limbaugh coined the term when he was not just the center of right-wing media, he was the only real national right-wing media. fox news was not invented yet so samuel alito s wife is quoting material from rush limbaugh that is over 30 years old that s how long she has apparently been listening and taking direction from the likes of rush limbaugh. you know what i want? i want a sacred heart of jesus flag because i have to look across the lagoon at the pride flag for the next month. and he s like, oh please don t put up a flag. but when you are free of this nonsense, i m putting it up and i m going to send the message every day. maybe every week i ll be changing the flags. i made a flag in my head. it s white and has yellow and orange flames around it and in the middle is the word shame in italian. joining us now is andrew weissmann. he is co-author of the best- selling book, the trump indictments. andrew, this is quite an interesting window of sound into the thinking of justice alito and chief justice roberts. well, it could not be more striking from both of them of where the country is and we are hearing from a man who is a principal architect for the reversal, after 50 years, of roe v. wade. his thinking is in that decision is just as weak as his thinking that was shown in the letter he submitted trying to justify the flag incidents. and you have this dichotomy because you have the chief justice saying, what is the correct thing to say. we are on the eve of getting a decision on presidential immunity. it is a real lot on this country and the judicial system and i hate to be so direct that you have justice alito and justice thomas sitting on those decisions. that is not the way the country is supposed to be operated and not the way the court should be operating. their conduct as reflected on these tapes but their conduct in many ways without these tapes is something that is besmirching an important branch of government in this country that we are entitled to count on and it s hard to have faith in the system when you have that kind of conduct in these tape recordings coming out. we also have in these tapes, something very close to proving that justice alito lied publicly about the flags and the reason for the flags being up because the person he s blaming saying she wants these flags because of the other ones people have including the pride flag that somehow is oppressive to her. absolutely. there is nothing in there that i did it just in response. and even that story, the timing of that story did not make any sense in terms of what it was supposed to be in response to. as referred with respect to the police report and the neighbor across the way. so what is just amazing to me is there is zero accountability of the supreme court. and that is where chief justice roberts, as much as he might be a good man personally and he obviously said the right things. you don t really get credit for that because that is what is expected, but that is where he is to blame in part for not taking stronger action and there are a number of things he can do that would put more pressure on two justices who are not upholding their oath of office and away that helps this country at large, whatever side you re on. if you saw this from a liberal justice, we would be just as outraged and, of course, you would hear just as much, but it s not appropriate behavior. you know, andrew, i will speak for me. i spent most of my life finding inconceivable that we would be doing a story about a supreme court justice lying. and lying about something important that affects the integrity of the course own decisions. and i am now realizing in retrospect that the reason it was inconceivable was the supreme court justices themselves who we grew up with who could not possibly step in these things the way that samuel alito has or that clarence thomas has but especially justice alito with the flags and his wife making these comments to stranger about the flags that have become something far beyond controversial. the flags that they are flying that shared the spirit of the january 6th insurrection, all of that completely inconceivable not because of any ethics enforcement body but because, who was actually serving on the supreme court, whether we agreed with them or not during most of our lifetimes. i just want to point out one other aspect of what he was hurt on tape saying is that this is a christian nation and should be brought more to be a christian nation. and is a jewish american, that is not what our country is about. there is an establishment clause that s is supposed to separate the religious beliefs, which everyone is entitled to their own, but it s not established by the government. and that principal is very much under attack right now. with at least five if not six justices. hearing that from justice alito s mouth basically rips off any sort of pretense as to what is going on and it really tells you very much how dishonest the dobbs decision was that reversed roe v. wade. the idea that we are just sending it back to the states. that is not what is going on. this is part of a religious fervor and you have justice alito saying it out loud and whether you like the idea of the tape recordings happening in the way they were done is neither here nor there because there was nothing that prevented him from responding the way that justice roberts responded, which was correct. and it reveals the profound depths of the stupidity of samuel alito. andrew weissmann, thank you very much for joining us tonight. you are welcome. coming up, our next guest needs either a long introduction or no introduction. i will decide which one during the commercial break. rachel maddow joins us next. this soil 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was the newly elected governor of the state of wyoming. it gives me pleasure to introduce you at this time, the honorable lester hunt. he set his sights on the u.s. senate, and he won that race too. our distinguished guest this evening is the honorable lester c hunt. the most popular politician in his state, lester hunt, newly elected u.s. senator, he heads to washington to do what he has always done, to advocate for his constituents for the people of wyoming. and to do some good for the rest of the country through service in the u.s. senate. he is as poised as anyone could be for success in that job, but things are about to change him radically. what he is about to encounter in washington will cost him his life. he will not live to see the end of even one term as a u.s. senator. joining us now is rachel maddow. you can get the first episode anywhere you listen to podcasts. and you can subscribe to msnbc. him and get every episode. rachel, i cannot take it. listen. we have 10 minutes. tell me the rest of it right now. i cannot wait for the next episode. well, i mean, and then there is us. it becomes the america that we know. i will not tell you the whole story. thank you for letting me come to show and talk about it. lester hunt is i mean, he stopped completely forgotten figure, but things went so badly for him very quickly after he got to washington that what i was trying to do in episode one was create the sense of the lost possibility. he really did lose his life to the scandal that i am working on in this podcast. it is a huge loss for the country because he did have a bright future ahead of him and everything else in his life leading up to that moment was not anything to go by. and i think i ve become good at resurrecting old villains who we forgotten about from history, but lester hunt is one of the good guys that we need to remember his legacy and the loss of him to something that went wrong with extremism in american politics and it is something we should regret and remember and commemorate. he s a democrat getting elected in republican wyoming. a difficult thing to do and impressive no matter when you hear that. he s like the jon tester of his time in that situation. but apparently, very naove when he gets to washington in such a way and i m speaking beyond what i know. but clearly he gets eaten up by washington and this is the drama about more than him. so what happens with him, and you will get there very quickly in the next few episodes, is that he s confronted in the senate with the first major thing he does in the senate. there is another senator in the opposite party who is his opposite and this other senator gets involved in a propaganda campaign . a foreign influence operation, which is an outrageous, like, dirty, false conspiracy theory tale designed to hurt united states. and lester hunt realizes what the other senator is doing. he s repulsed by it, and they come to loggerheads in the senate over this thing that the other senator is trying to advance. part of the reason i wanted to do this story is that while this is happening and while they are becoming mortal enemies in the senate, they lived next door to one another and their backyards backup to each other s houses. and while they have decided they are out to destroy each other, they can see how each other are living. and it only ratchets up the repulsion that lester hunt has and he decides on to take the political risk and i have to stand up against a monster like this and he does. and it is for the good of the country and it costs him his life. what he is fighting for and the reason he s fighting against that foreign influence operation in washington and the lowdown depth that some people will go to for political gain is an inspiration to me, even though it cost him his life. the first season talks about the poll that fascism had in the united states. the attraction it had for some people, how far they were willing to go to advance the cause of fascism here, and this and that is pre-world war ii and into world war ii. and this takes us to a period after world war ii. those people, most of them disappeared and one of the things we talked a lot about was that it became a forgotten story. the great sedition trial and the americans that worked with a asian they were defeated one way or another. and that means that we forgot their stories. and it means we forgot their stories pretty quickly. when they were let go and didn t get prosecuted for it and in the case of members of congress, none of them were prosecuted at all. their story was mostly forgotten and those of them that stayed in public life kept being the same kind of people they were before. for example, one of the characters in season 2 is someone who was part of the silver shirts and was writing for and in season 2 he ends up being the subject of an international years long manhunt by the u.s. government as, they believe him not just to be an american fascist, but a traitor and a nuclear terrorist. so this stuff gets worse. and he ends up involved with the republican senator who is a sitting senator in the u.s. senate. so when you let these folks get away with things, it is important that you please keep tabs on them to see where else they re going to turn up because it is never good. how many episodes, rachel? there are eight. and those of us who want 16 or 24, what do we do so you tell stories in your show that are similar to this and they tend to be 20 to 25 minutes. each podcast episode is significantly longer than that. what is the difference for you, as a storyteller, in the way you approach the podcast as opposed to the way you approach the show? a very good question. the podcast is basically it s a little book. it s a tv show. if you put all the episode legs together it s something that i want to hold your attention for about 4 to 5 hours. so in order to hold your attention for that time, it has to be well told. we use a lot of archival audio and historical audio and the wyoming audio archives to get the sound of lester hunt s voice was an incredible odyssey and superfund. but this is a single story arc that cannot be told in the course of the tv show. you have to stick with it. but by the time you get to the end, you should ve learned a new thing about american history and be propelled along the way by the dramatic interest in it so it sticks. i want these stories to be memorable. i m interested in these stories because i think they should be well known and we should all remember lester hunt and we should remember there was an internationally wanted american fascist fugitive who was involved with the republican senate at the onset of the cold war. we should understand what happens when the great sedition trial of the united states and with all of those people getting away and those seditionist movements getting away without ever being criminally held criminally accountable for what they ve been charged with. i want those stories to be vernacular and be a part of the way we think about our history as americans in dealing with a really strong anti-democratic challenges. we have a strong anti- democratic challenge right now, so we should know what are the options for how to respond to it and what has worked well in the past and what has not. the key to this great drama is, even if you don t care about democracy, and i don t understand you if you don t, if you don t care about democracy, this is still great drama with great characters just perfectly told by america s friendliest boys to tell you scary things. the good news is these scary things are kind of over, except there are threads of them that are still with us now. an alternative name for ultra you could ve considered, but stuff that lawrence o donnell does not know. that could be the title. it s hard to squeeze it into that small space. but what did you say? the friendliest boys? i might hit you up for that. thank you. i cannot wait for more 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well, before i get to that, i want to point out that compared to the opening where we talked about justice alito and the concern about the rule of law in this country, this is an example of the criminal trial of the rule of law working where you see the court functioning, even when you re dealing with a former president, or, in this case, the son of a president. there focusing on intent. the proof here is very strong that there was possession of a gun. there is very strong evidence that the addiction that hunter biden had and the issue is, was he aware during the relevant time periods of when he signed the form that said that essentially he was not an addict and did he believe at that point that he was an addict. and at the time that he possessed the gun for that two- week period, did he also believe that he was an addict. there is an intent. making a mistake is not for criminal law. this is a criminal case and they will be focused on that. there is sufficient proof if the jury wants to find it. it is very strong case. but abby lowell is an extremely good defense lawyer and we will see if he pulls a rabbit out of the hat. the big picture for the public is less of what happens and the fact that you have a president of the united states living the rule of law in this country and you have the rule of law working for the president son. andrew weissmann, thank you very much. we will be right back. what causes a curve here? 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were rescued during a daring and deadly raid inside gaza. i get reaction from the us ambassador to the united nations, linda thomas-greenfiel d, chief standing by to join us lucidly, just minutes from now. and there s breaking news. the hunter biden case is now in the hands of a delaware jury the historic trial against the president since son potentially nearing an end as the panel waste three felony gun charges plus donald trump is taking the first step toward his sentencing. i m 34 felony convictions. the former president, holding a virtual meeting with a probation official this afternoon, and that interview could be a key factor as judge juan merchan decides on potential punishments for trump welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i m wolf blitzer, a urine the the situation room let s get straight to our top story tonight. the daring bloody israel kelly raid inside gaza, that operation successfully rescuing four hostages. but exacting a heavy toll on palestinian residents nearby the us ambassador to the united nations, linda thomas-greenfield, is standing by live will have a lot to discuss, but first, let s get all the latest developments from cnn s paula i hancocks in tel aviv new video from the israeli military shows the rescue of israeli hostages from central gaza. it says hundreds of personnel were involved in this rare daytime operation three hostages locked in an apartment in one multi-story residential building. another held in a flat 650 feet away in a densely populated neighborhood. models of the buildings were built weeks before to train in forces this is how israel s hostage rescue mission looked from the ground airstrikes explosions residents running to find safety. that doesn t have to exist in gaza hostages were flown by helicopter back to israel israel remains with family who had dreamed of this moment for eight months. families you only heard about the mission once their loved ones were safe. i haven t stopped smiling since my mug was returned to me, but the remaining hostages needed deal to get home safely there is a deal on the table we ask the israeli government to move forward with the deal the doctor who has treated the hostages since they arrived tells me, despite appearing in good condition, all for a malnourished or masses are extremely wasted. is damage to some other systems because of that, he says, they were moved frequently and beaten by their captors it was harsh, harsh experience with a lot of abuse almost every day, every hour both physical, mental, and other types and that is something that is beyond comprehension. dr. pessach also treated some of the hostages released in november and says the psychological damage of these four is significantly worse. all of them had faith but losing that faith. i think is where you get to the breaking point. and i m happy that this guy because i hear but there are others losing the faith in us. and human kinds residents in nuiseirat central gaza are in a state of shock, struggling to deal with the aftermath of saturday, which neighboring countries and the eu s top diplomat have called a massacre i m going to miss out this woman says, most of those trapped under the rubble of women and children. holmes s a filled with displaced people. israel committed a massacre the united nations security council passed a resolution votes this monday on a us proposal for a complete ceasefire in gaza. and the release of all remaining hostages. their work 14 votes in favor, zero against, and just one abstention from russia will follow. hancocks reporting from sylvia. thank you very much, sir. when i was in israel last november, i had a chance to meet with the family of almog meir, jan, one of the hostages just released by the idf i ll mugs a mother. all right. told me about the last time she spoke with their son as the hamas attack was underway. if you re me up and said to me, mom, they are rockets all over. and shooting. i don t know what happened. what is going? hey, non am i doing i ll call you every half an our mom, i love you i m so happy. of course, but i ll mug is home now with his loved one, sadly almost father yossi die just hours before his son s return to israel, authorities found yossi meir unconscious. and they went to notify him of all mugs rescue. he was later declared dead. i want to send my deepest condolences to the mayor family as they grieve yossi is passing and welcome almog home joining me mydata discuss all of this and more of the new united nations and to discuss the du, united nations resolution on a gaza ceasefire and all the other top stories from the region, the us ambassador to the united nations, linda thomas greenfield, ambassador. thank you so much for taking a few moments to join us. as you know, this is the first-time the un security council has officially endorsed they ceasefire plan. why now, after eight months of war we have been working on this for eight months for eight months. we have pushed for efforts to achieve a ceasefire. this resolution brings us the closest to getting that done. then we re ever been. and we thought it was important that the council s speak in a unified voice on that. and the boat today s show that if 14th or nothing with one abstention, that would be russia, president biden says this ceasefire plan is israel s, but prime minister netanyahu hasn t publicly accepted it, neither has hamas president biden has said it s time for this war to end. what will this resolution ambassador do to get both sides? to accept this deal? that s currently on the table i think the resolution is actually the opportunity to pressure hamas to accept the deal. israel has accepted the deal. the president has said that and now all we need is to have hamas, this deal, release hostages that they are required to do in phase one and move forward on an extended ceasefire this is an important effort that was made with the support of the qatari government and the egyptian government working with us on the ground as you said, you say, the israeli government has accepted this deal. that s currently on the table. but does the israeli leader, prime minister netanyahu, need to accept it himself he s avoided that but i can t speak for prime minister netanyahu. i can only speak what the president has conveyed and he has conveyed competence in the israeli acceptance of this. still, what we need dallas hamas to accept the deal, they welcomed the resolution immediately after it was passed. they need to take the next step and accept the deal and start to release hostages. as you know, ambassador this weekend s israeli operation freed four israeli hostages, but came with a steep to, of at least 274 palestinians killed. that according to gaza officials. are you comfortable with that trade-off luck? i can t get into the numbers for me. a singles civilian, innocent civilian killed is way too many. but what we cannot ignore the fact that hamas hides behind civilians they were holding hostages in civilian areas. they are firing at idf from civilian areas. so it is hamas that should be held accountable for any actions that are taken that lead to civilian deaths. they don t care about their palestinian billions. as long as they continue to use civilians as, as cover. but does this level of carnage ambassador risk? isolating israel even more so out there on the world stage. and is the us risky? it s international credibility by letting israel operate in gaza virtually unchecked well, if our international reputation is very strong and we have worked very closely with our israeli allies. they are not operating unchecked. we re engaging with them on a regular basis. du we agree 100%, not always but we re working very, very closely with them. israel has a right to defend itself from a terrorist group whose main purpose in life is to ensure that israel does not exist and all jews are killed. so we have continued to support israel s right to defend itself against these terrorists. ambassador, have there been any conversations inside the biden administration to try to negotiate what s being described as a unilateral deal with hamas to free the remaining american hostages who are still being held but we re trying to get all hostages released every single one we care very much about the american hostages who are being held. but all hostages should be released for hostages released who were actually brought home on saturday is just one small group. all of them could be brought home if this deal gets accepted by hamas ambassador linda thomas-greenfield, thanks so much for joining us and just ahead, there s more breaking news. we re following donald trump just finishing his meeting with a probation official in new york. what we we know about what the former president it was likely asked and how his answers will factor into his sentencing next month. plus a live update from delaware. the jury now deliberating in the federal case 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that they could put in their report that psr pre-sentencing report to the judge? so he can consider their findings about whether donald trump would be a better candidate to be sentenced to jail or prison, or whether he would be a better candidate for probation given his his crime. so they go into things like his personal life has financial background, education, family s situation ration, things like that. but it was a relatively short meetings. cnn s kristen holmes tells us that this meeting lasted not much longer than than half an hour and covered the basic information was uneventful. yeah, very interesting. only half an hour. interesting indeed, john miller, thank you very much. want to get some analysis? it s from our legal experts who are here with me in the situation room. at least adamson is with us former federal prosecutor, at least walk us through what you expect. actually happened during this half-hour meeting yeah. i think it s important to note that this was a psi that was conducted after a jury verdict. so when a defendant pleads guilty, i think you can expect these introduced to take longer because at that point, most defendants, but they ve already accepted responsibility. they re going to show some remorse. they re going to explain why their actions are bad. they re going to use that time as advocacy to tell the judge probation through the judge threw probation, why they should be giving a more lenient sentence. i think it s not unexpected that today s interview was very short because the former president wants to maintain his fifth amendment right. he s going to appeal. he is going to maintain his innocence so i think today it was just simple questions. he was not going to go into the conviction. todd blanche was there with him, so he was just going to talk about his education, his his characteristics, how long he had lived in the state of new york, probably as residency in florida and just very basic background because really that s all he could safely share it s interesting, tim, because todd blanche s attorney was there with them coaching and presumably about this probation interview that was going on, how do you think trump is handling it? what do you think he s trying to do? well, i mean, he s obviously he s not happy about the conviction itself. and so i think that todd is trying to keep him on task of let s just talk about the issues here at hand and is released. just said when i have a case like this where it is a verdict after trial you would tell the probation officer, hey, don t ask him any questions. he s going to invoke his fifth amendment rights. so just stick to the history of biograph biographical information. so i think that the idea of donald trump being interviewed by a probation officer about where did you grow up tell us tell us your parents names and things like that i m sure that he finds it somewhat direct, degrading, but it is the same thing that every criminal defendant in that courthouse go, sir yeah. that s an important point as well. judge. grass. so what do you make of the fact that this interview lasted what, a half an hour? well, i agree with what the other panelists said. we wouldn t really have expected donald trump to go on at length about a sense of accountability and the things he s learned from this type of a situation. i think it was pretty perfunctory i mean, if he wanted, he could have tried without it without admitting anything or accepting liability for the offenses that he s still going to appeal on. he could have tried to maybe couch and in terms of while i don t think i did anything wrong, maybe we could have done things better along the way. some sense of humility or something like that, because the bottom line is this probation officer, is going to be making a recommendation to the judge on sentencing. the probation officer could very well recommend jail or prison time in this case so theoretically, a defendant might try and appear contrite. i doubt that happen here just from what we ve seen being in court every day and the general persona of this defendant. so putting all of that in context a half-hour is not surprising at all at least i didn t think today s interview that trump had with his probation official will impact judge varchar decision on july 11 to announce sentencing. yeah, i don t think it ll have that great of an impact these sentencing recommendations are meant to be persuasive. so i think judge merchan will take it into consideration. but once again, since this wasn t a very fulsome interview, the defendant wasn t sharing a lot of information that the judge will take into account. and then i also understand from new york legal expert tim, that the psr is in new york state are not as robust as they they are in the federal system, in the federal system, the probation officer does their own investigation. they colored their own understanding of the facts, and they use that as the basis of the recommendation. it s my understanding that that s not the same here. so given the relatively short duration of the interview and the fact that judge merchan presided over the entire jury trial and is very aware of the facts and the defendant and its behavior. i think while it might be helpful, i don t think it s going to impact his ultimate decision-making to trump s team is scheduled to submit its sentencing recommendation. is this coming thursday? what do you think they re going to ask where there are clear then asked for some type of a probation in this case. i mean i think that what they would be smart to do is to focus on not just this case, but the history of what donald trump has done in new york city, they should be talking more about what he did for woman skating rink, what he did for revitalizing the area around grand central terminal, all of the things that he did for the decades before politic some of the positive thing exactly, exactly. they should talk about all the positive things that he s done for new york city and say, in light of all these wonderful things that he s literally changed the skyline the line of the city versus these false business records. this is not something that even accepting the facts as the prosecution claims them is something that he should get jail for, especially for class e felony with a cooperating witness who admitted to a class c felony during the trial, where somebody is no criminal history. so i think that they have a very good argument for some type of probation the difficulty is going to be of course, the prosecution is going to point out everything that he s done as far as violating the gag order the statement city made about the judge just minutes after the verdict. it s it s a very unique case. will know on july 11, what the judge decides everyone. thank you very much. just add a live report with hunter biden s fate doubt in the hands of a jury following a dramatic day of closing arguments in the federal trial of the president s hey, mom, how many 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taking up three rows in court today have known the parameters you don t abandon your friends and family in closing arguments, prosecutors pointed to the gallery of supporters and said, those people are not evidence and reminded the jury that no one is above the law. the prosecution directly address the most difficult element they have to prove that hunter biden knowingly lied on a federal background check form when purchasing the gun at the center of this case, the defendant knew he used crack and was addicted to crack at the relevant time period, adding that hunter would have been aware from his time in rehab that he had a problem with drugs maybe if he had never gone to rehab, he could argue he didn t know. he was an addict at the end of his closing, prosecutor, leo wise circled back to testimony from hunters daughter, naomi, on friday, when she told the jury that when she returned or father s car to him on october 19, 2018, she did not see any the evidence of drugs, but why is reminded the jury hunter s former girlfriend, hallie biden, his brother, beau biden s widow, had testified that when she found the gun in the same car days later, she found it alongside drug paraphernalia defense attorney abbe lowell countered, warning jurors not to convict his client in properly adding it s time to end this case. he compared the trial to a magician s trick, trying to dupe the jury, saying, watch this hand pay no attention to the other one. he accused prosecutors of cherry picking evidence to present a more timeline of hunter s drug use and said his client was not lying when he marked down that he was not an addict on that federal form. lowell attacks, two of hunter s former girlfriends who both served as prosecution witnesses in this case. he noted zoe kestan took pictures of hunter with drugs, but not in the key month of october 2018. he also reminded the jury that hallie biden could not remember specific details about when she found the gun in hunter s car? and noted hunter was the one who told hallie to file a police report for the missing gun after she threw it out hunter did not take the stand to testify in his own defense in this case. a move that would have come with potential rewards and definite risks the jury will return to court here in wilmington tomorrow morning at 9:00 a.m. to resume their deliberations. but it s notable the prosecutors pointed to the first lady and other supporters who are there for hunter and reminded the jury that they don t matter, that suggests that perhaps the justice department is a little worried about that let s show of force for hunter and what it means for their case. but i was in court earlier today and watch the jury. they followed by line by line is the judge went through the instructions but they ll have to follow for this historic decision. wolf paula reid reported for us, paula. thank you very much. let s discuss what s going on with cnn, legal analysts. carrie cordero, and our senior political analyst, gloria borger carry lab. you start with you based on the closing arguments. what do you think are the best strongest points of each sayyed that they made? well, from the defense perspective, the biggest thing that they have going for them is that the prosecution, if it s going to prove its case, is doing so by info in other words, there does not seem to have been at the trial specific evidence of a witness or documents like a video, for example, in actual physical piece of evidence demonstrating that hunter biden was using drugs at the specific time. what there is is there s sort of tangential evidence of circumstances that would lead the jury to infer that he was using at the time. and so that s that s really what the what the defense will point to the prosecution on the other side is going to say, well, look at all these different circumstance dances. those all add up to a conclusion that he was using and therefore, he knowingly falsified the form. well, it was interesting, gloria, in reference to the biden family. yeah. the prosecution said during their closing arguments, they said this, i m quoting people sitting in the gallery are not evidence. you may recognize them from the news, but respect thankfully, none of that matters. what do you make of the optics of the first lady, jill biden and other family members showing up almost on a daily basis. well, i think that the prosecution might be a little concerned that the jury would have a lot of sympathy for somebody with that kind of family support. don t forget a lot of members of the jury have gone through issues in their own lives with drug abuse and you have the first lady flying back from france to come sit at this trial. you have his children, you have his pastor you have friends, family. they took up three rows, i guess and that s something that jerry pays attention to. and so it helps in the portrait of hunter biden as not an evil, a drug addict. it portrays him as somebody deserving of your sympathy and your empathy. and i think that helps him think you re probably right. did you think it was the right move for hunter biden not to testify? he could have testified if he wanted to. his lawyers presumably said don t do it. but what do you think? i think that s right. i m certainly any defendant has the right not to testify. and i think in this case, probably it would have opened the cross-examination would have open him up to delving into so many other areas that are potentially would have been counterproductive. so i think most defendants don t testify on around behalf, and i think in this case, it probably makes sense that he followed the advice of his defense counsel not to, you know, in an odd way though, you did hear from hunter biden because you heard from his book in which he audio books, his audio book. he wrote about this. he wrote about his drug addiction and that was used during the trial against him. but it was used. and so you don t voice you did here, right? and you did here? voice. so he didn t testify. but you did hear him talk about his addiction. you know, it s interesting. the president has vowed to accept the verdict, but is ruled out a pardon for his son very definitively, if he s convicted, though, how s this going to play out politically? you know, it s, it s really hard to say. i m not sure that it plays out that much at all. what congress is worried about. its financial and propriety that may have been committed between joe biden and his son, and they ve presented no evidence for that. if you notice, they ve been a little quiet during this trial. and if a hunter biden is convicted, i think that there will be some sympathy for for joe biden and for the family and all of this. but i m not sure that it plays out in a large political way other than the fact that it will affect joe biden himself. i think sure. it will gloria borger. thank you. carrie cordero. thanks to you as well. coming up. attorneys, preparing sentencing 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said at that pre-sentencing interview tonight, we have new information on the many possible forms of punishment the judge more sean could impose on donald trump i just went through a rigged trial in new york now that donald trump has completed his pre-sentencing interview with a probation official, a report on the interview will be sent directly to judge juan merchan, who has a few options for sentencing. trump, the most serious one, prison time, the crimes for which trump s been convicted, falsifying business records could carry sentences of up to four years, each, with a maximum of 20 years. but realistically, it s unlikely that someone convicted of this type of felony in new york with no prior criminal history would see much if any, prison time trump s advanced age experts say would also be a factor in not sending him to prison he turns 78 this week. another sentencing option, probation analysts say, well, that might be a more realistic choice. it would come with a host of inconveniences and indignities for the former president have it be drug tested, having to check in with a probation officer, there could be random visits by probation officers to your home, not with a search warrant, but they can come knock on the door. you need to let them in. home confinement also might be part of a probation sentence for trump, or maybe a restriction on out-of-state travel. if he were going to fly off to another state wisconsin, arizona, he would have to get explicit permission from the probation agency. trump could simply be fine for his convictions or he could do community service where he has to pick up trash on the subways. experts say a conditional discharge could be a sentencing option is a condition of your discharger, your release and you have to abide by those conditions. the court will say, don t get arrested, going, don t get in trouble for the next year or during the pendency of your saenz or for stated period of time. and that s it. you re not checking in? no one s following up with you. there s no probation is no oversight all options, experts say reflective of the striking uniqueness of this situation for the probation department, this is uncharted waters. they have never interviewed someone of this statute before. they know that their work their recommendation is going to weigh heavily in the judgment and decision by judge merchan legal analysts say acceptance of responsibility is often a key factor when a judge considers a sentence. and the fact that donald trump has shown no remorse for the actions he s been convicted of, and has repeatedly publicly attack the judge and witness in this trial could bring him a stiffer sentence. wolf, july 11 is a big day. we ll see what happens on that day, brian. thank you very much coming up back to politics with donald trump out there and the virtual campaign trail today, speaking today to an anti-abortion group but what it s what he didn t say that is making some news you 19th, cnn celebrates 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listen to the former president address a group of christian political activists today we ve done things that nobody thought were possible to have gotten done. you just can t vote democrat. they re against religion there, against your religion in particular, you cannot vote for democrats or let s get some more analysis now from republican strategist. sure. michael singleton and democratic strategists, maria cardona, she s a cnn political commentator what do you think should michael he was speaking to a group that calls for abortion in their words to be eradicated entirely. direct quote eradicated entirely without ever saying the word abortion. yeah, i m familiar with the group. i understand why the former president s spoke before the group. this is obviously a very dicey and touchy topic for republic blinken s. on mature, maria will talk about, we have two years worth of electoral data that showcases, we just don t do well on the issue of reproductive rights with that said, in that clip, you showed a lot of evangelicals. we ll do believe the cultural behavior and customs of behavior in the country are changing particularly as it pertains to their religiosity and the religious views. and they sort of do want someone to be a protector or defender of those views, even if that person is the imperfect individual to do so, how do you think this is going to play with moderate voters out there? certainly that s a group that trump is trying to win over moderate voters, suburban women, for example, how s it going to play? not well at all. will fan this is where i think trump is trying to have it both ways. and while it s no question that christian groups, christian conservative groups, who are completely against abortion are going to support him because he is responsible for overturning roe v. wade and he brags about it every chance he gets, especially in front of these conservative groups. but then suburban women, moderate voters, and frankly, the vast majority of americans who believed that women should have the right to do what they feel is best for their own bodies and their families they don t support this. they think that roe v. wade should not have been overturned they believe that women should have this right. and they are going to continue to punish republicans and donald trump at the ballot box if they continue to push this massive goal of taking away women s rights and freedoms. and that s how the biden campaign s smartly is messaging this whole issue let s just get your thoughts, your mic alone. i have you vice president harris called out congress, republican congressman byron donalds for his controversial comments on jim crow. during an interview with politico. that s first watch what he said. listen to this during jim crow. go back family wants to get during black not just conservative, by who always a pink conservative library more black people voted conservatively vice president harris responded to that by saying this and i m quoting her now. it s sadly at another example of somebody out of florida trying to erase or rewrite our true history i went to florida last july to call out what they were trying to do to replace our history with lies. and apparently there s a never-ending flow of that coming out of that state. what are your thoughts on what he would this congressman were saying? congressman jim crow. the jim crow era. yeah, i ve watched several interviews wolf with the congress and i m going to take him at his word that his intent was not to romanticize the jim crow era. this is a black man i m really going to presume that he s very aware of our history. and in this country, i hope that isn t but, but i do think the point that there are some areas within our community that we as a collective group have to focus more on. i wouldn t disagree with with that should we do some things? a strengthened a family? absolutely. can you do that through the policy realm? i think so, but i do think as you talk about the past, you do have to be careful not to have the appearance that you re romanticized and something that was very horrible for the black community. i have grandparents that are still alive who went through segregation. my grandmother was the first to enter into her high school in new orleans and first-time desegregating the school. and so i think there are people that are still among us who have those very real and raw my experiences. and i would hope that republicans, whether they re black, white, or anyone else for that matter, would be sensitive to the experience of those individuals who are still among us that s interesting on another subject, trump is launching what he s calling a latino americans for trump campaign to reach out to hispanic voters. what do you think? noise when a wolf whole issue of wanting to launch a program called latino americans for trump a couple of days after he brings onstage in arizona sheriff joe are pio, who has the most racist, the most xenophobic v, most anti-immigrant current sheriff, i think ever at least in modern history. and for donald trump to bring him on stage and hug him, and kiss him is he hiring him to be the head of latino americans? for tropics? that s what it looks like. and it is just indicative of how empty and how wrong-headed and misguided donald trump s focuses when he talked it s about latinos in this country and that i think just gives the biden campaign more ammunition to make the contrast between a 34 times convicted felon who is the most racist and the most xenophobic president we ve had ever versus president biden, who has had record job creation in the latino community. record business growth in the latino community, and they have a record with which they can make that contrast and that at the end of the day is going to win joe biden, the latino vote oh, sorry, maria. sure. michael, to both. out of time. thank you very much coming up details on why a meeting at an italian restaurant in new 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carroll is joining us from outside the courthouse right now, jason update our viewers. in another dramatic day of testimony yeah. more testimony coming from jose uribe. this is the man who s already pleaded guilty to bribery charges. now cooperating with the prosecution and today we ll he gave more details about specific conversations he has. he says he had with senator menendez directly related to bribery. he spoke about one in particular, a dinner in 2019 at il bellagio restaurant in new jersey. he says, i get to ask again for the first time and explain what is worrying me so much. i asked him if anything in his power to stop an investigation. i ll explain about that in a moment. menendez is answer he would look into it. of course, you rebate was worried about these criminal investigations going on in new jersey wolf that could have implicated people that he was close to. so he told jurors what he did was he paid nadine menendez $15,000 so she could buy a brand new mercedes in exchange for the the senators influence. he then talks about another meeting at nadine menendez, his home, where he says he wrote down the names of people who were possibly implicated in this designation, put it on a piece of paper. he said senator menendez folded up the piece of paper, put it in his pocket, then in october of 2019, he says he got a call from senator menendez. he told jurors that he felt as though this situation had been resolved and he choked up. juror he choked up wolf as he was speaking about what had happened saying that this situation had been over, and he felt he was at peace then there was this
a.j. way billings, montana. i thought we were supposed to swim away from the shark. noim awaw we have to punch the . which one is it now? you punch first, then you swim y away. i m telling you, an expert told me that s the wa.y to get out alive. scott from oceanside, california if biden refuses to leave the white house, it will be because he can t find his warefusey. maybe maybe he doesn t know he loses. k. fainiaom chester, virgini biden will be at the beach. it s jill who won t leav will bh the white house. oh, jill. drte house. biden. excuse me. that s all for tonight. dvr the show. hannity is up next. and always remember, i m waters and this is my world. and i woke up to. hannity and tonight, here- are six words in the english language that every democrat they love, lov englie to recites quote, no one is above the law. no nw if you turn on fake news, cnn media and see you re going to hear that phrase a lot, but only when you re talking about trump or other republican k abs when someone on the left commits a crime. that ss a crim a very differents for example, over the weekend, you had riotertoryexample,s drep as islamic extremists vandalizing historic monuments ,let s say assaulting law enforcement, hurling projectileumentss at a park rand no consequences. lookrits they were trying to han an insurrection. there were no arrests, fines, n no dramatic pleas on the left for anyone to be held accountabldramatic lefe. we ll have a full report and more video of this repotnd s disgusting riol with a message for thoseose wh who are mad at israel for and quite heroically freeing four hostages in gaza. and another message for fake news, cnn, which seem to think that the israeli hostages were simplyh released, know they wee rescued. but first, we turn our attentio.wen to some of the most shameless and morally corrupt people it n america.ld that would be the bidens, many in the mob, the media. they love to point. oute to that hunter biden s ongoing trial is an exampl oute that a biden can face justice. but in reality, hunter s is but a perfect example of the t will goour governmen to allegedly to protect the son of a prominent democrat.know a now, according to the very real contents hunter s very real laptop, the president s son engaged a life of crime for many years. the evidence seems transparentai ,overwhelming, but you decide it was on a massive scale. remember the fallout of the 20 2051 intel experts signing a off on a letter claiming the laptop had all the p s of russiandisi disinformation. this after three years of liesni being peddled over and over again, the russia hoax by the mediover agaa mob, all of it a , all of it based on a dirty dossier. lying the dossier becomes the basis of lying to face the courtss for four separate times, three of tir honored by mr. highe himself, james comey. in reality, the so-called expert.s were spreading disinformation. all they knew about the laptop was nothinformatioaboug. wan they only knew they wanted joe biden to win. you think they d apologize . don t hold your breath. now that the laptop is official evidence at hunter s gun trial.s well, fox news digital reached n inteto theew all 51 intel expers who signed on to the letter and most had no regrets at alld whatsoever. they gotno what they wanted. they helped joe biden get the election in 2020. some even claiming that it was the patrioti.c thing to do.c thn a means to an end. anyway, of course, joe biden b is now president. the evidence of the alleged wrongdoing. on that laptop is shocking. you have rampant drug use, hundreds of thousandsan of dollars seemingly. i can t say for sure spent soliciting, purported tax evasion on millions of dollars in income that needs to be investigatedthat n, refusing tox file tax returns in certain years along with the possibility should be investigated. money laundering. the possibility of fara violations tietied td his own f. many americans can rightly sympathize. sure many, with hunter s addictions and personal struggles, but not the millionsaddi of millions of millions made with businesses in whichitcheric he admits he had zero experience at all. or all the shady actions of hisn father s department of justice, whicish is politicized and weaponized. according to the new york times , the doj prosecutor that s tasked with investigating hunter, this guy, david weiss, remember he s going to sweep the whole thing planned under the rug. no charges at all.ll after purposely the statute of limitations run out on some of the most seriouoms tax chargs from the burisma years. plan a well got ruined by two brave irs whistleblowers on,k tt two plan b, that was the sweetheart plea deal that looped a temporary gun charge and with a few minor tax violations. no jail time. sadly, plan b was ruineduse because. the judge actually read the plea deal and started askingread t real questions aboe totally, completely abd nature of the deal. and now we re on to plan c. welli we pla, years of investig. let s make this guy the special prosecutor. let vestigat guy thes go into ad in delaware in a courthouse there, and hope foe inr the.s the jury has officially beguns their deliberations. you know, any outcome won t surprise me, including an outright acquittal cquittal or a hungg jury jury. but they ll decide if hunter is guilty on the three felony charges. count one accuses hunter of lyingthree felolous hun on an and purchasing a gun, swearing that he was not addicted to drugs. count two accuses hunter of lying to the gun dealer. count three alleges that hunter illegally possessed the guned t while addicted to drugs or actively using drugsdr . t the evidence seems to me overwhelming based on evidence from the trial ased o. r one day after buying the gun, hunter texted his girlfriend hue he was waiting for his dealer. the next day, hunter textedcrac his girlfriend, he s smoking crack. so let s be cleaso be clear. hs these allegations are not a joke. sou biden, his fellow democrat ,don t they love to lecture you about gun control? fac in fact, president biden is now proposing tighter regulationents surrounding lawful gun ownership and steep penaltiesars for anyone who dares to step out of line. ou son on trial. but gun crimes. but if this is the only trial the hunter faces, this will only prove that biden s, s as we have been telling you, is politicized and weaponized. the judge instructed the jury to ignore hunter s ties to thee first family. but let s be clear. only because of those ties that hunter now is only facing gun charges in the biden friendly venue of delaware. he s not getting the donaldp go trump treatment like trump got in new york with a valuation of mar a lago at a mere $18 million in a case that involved, well, valuations the judge in that civil trial was more guilty of valuationaudn fraud than anything they accused donald trump of. and then, of coursg th e, have the case of alvin bragg. misdemeanor statute t of limitations expired upcharge it to a felony electioa felonyng but don t even tell trump what you re charging him with. you , more importantly, about the bidens. , oligarchs.ign oh why did they pay hunter biden millions of millionsing to of dollars, according to the johnson grassley senate report. johnwhat services was he capable of providing if he was admittedly addicted to drugs at the time? now, if he was lobbyingf on behalhef of a foreign entity, why didn t he register r with fara? isn t that required by law?re and why did hunter and the entire biden family use over 20 shell corporationes, according to the house oversight committee? were those accounts used actually used to funnel foreign funds to different members of the familtow y? hmm. interesting questions. right. did the big gu y benefit from hunter s foreign deals in any way? according to the laptop, that apparently is very real. all ths very re guy had 10% pute for him and hunter complainedst- bitterly about giving half his income to pops and complained about, paying for pops as home repairs. why did the big guy lie to you? every one of you watching this show about meeting with his son s business associates, remember, joe said overme eve and over, he never one time ever spoke to his son. brother, anybody about theses fo foreign business deals. devon archerre said he recallse bi joe biden calling into at least 20 meeting s with and theses fore foreign business partners. and what about burismasiness, the ukrainian energy giant? hunter admits no experience in oil, gas, coal, ukraine when he goes on good morning the america, but then gets paid millions to sit on that company s board d. and th and then joe, you might recall, braggeencalld about leveragings a billion of your dollars to get the ukrainiantoe ukrain m investigating this company and his son firepahis son d, brt getting it all done within 6 hours. the resultt gettin of that firig hunter continues to get paid four zero experience. never mind the chinese energy conglomerate cfc. we ll save that for another day. as you can tak see, hunter s gue trial is really just the tip of the iceberg. frankl of they, i would call itw hanging fruit when it comes to hunter and just below the surfac e. y pict it s not a pretty picture. make no mistake, when a family can ostracizuran no miste ize tn five-year-old granddaughter and ignore her until shamed by maureen dowd at the new york times and then neverl even follow up to talk to helor meet with her, include her. it s pretty safe to assume the worst. but of course, everyone, including hunter, they were innocenthunt until proven guilty in a court of law. right. so tonight, we continuighte a to await the verdict out of delaware. not exactly an unfriendly venuen for biden. here with reaction, we have fox news contributorn. e on jonathan turley john. and let s get your take on the case as an outside observer following it as closely as you. i felt the evidence was you , incontrovertible. i thought i actually was well, i actually was pretty impressed with the prosecution in this casey impres in, the case that t eventually did put on, but only because they were forcedy we to. well, the prosecution did an admirable job. i mean they were right on it. v they had a very tight case. what was most impressivede is that abbe lowell, the defense counsefense l, put p a series of defensese that collapsed within two days. the prosecutor just methodically. s method destroyed all of these claims. and in a normal case, that jury would have been out for an hour, come back with a conviction. i mean, this is very obviouslyss an offense that was committed, but that s not what the realffee is. i mean, these as implausible as these arguments are, they re really placeholders. the defense playing to a delaware jury. this is biden town. thisware jurden town is wilming this is where the home of thefay biden family resides. and i think they re hoping for a jury nullification.. and to add to that i s a certain degree of sympathy for someone who had a tragic fightso w with with drug addiction. so we ll see what happens tomorrowlltomorr. ment there s no question in my view that the government stuck the landing here. they prove the case. the question is whether they cane the caestion get the y to consider the evidence and not justt wh who the defendt is. what do you think the most? and i thin youk, i do respect abby as an attorney. i think the one thing hunter does have goin e ong for him is abbe lowell. and i would argue there are noto many great attorneys in d.c., but he is a good attorney for sureat. ght and i thought he did as effective a job as he couldwe considering the hand that he was dealt, which was awful. with that said, do you think he was able to cast doubt in any area that sticks out in your mindha? no, no, i you know, the argument that was made by abby starting out was maybe brmeone else checked out box and they brought this mr. cleveland forward who just blew that out of the water and said, i stood there, watched him check that box and the otherg to boxes and told him to take his time, which he dids time. of then said, well, he was really sort of rushed into buy buyingin gun and cleveland saide no. he came in intendingnding to toy a gun. and then there was this ludicrous argument that hed thes sort of immaculate period of sobriety or, at least he was just drinking, not using drugs v . and the government destroyed it and showed a texent it the veryr day where he s trying to meet mookie to score more drugs.t and the day after that, sayingg that he s doing crack in a car.m and he had witnesses come forward to say that when they saw the crackayt , he doint every 20 minutes. so none of these thing livs survived within two days. but again, that s not to do with me unless i m sure the prosecutor. i m sorry, sylvester. i apologize. i thought you were finished. do a, you agree with me that theorta real important issues that people shouldntat be concernedriou about, then this is a serious ss issue that the crime aspect him and charging him here. but i think the more serious issues involve how much moneyy that this that hunter was heking without experience at a time he s addicted to drugs seemingly offering no services that we can identify as of now . no, that s exactly right. blewknow what s, amazing about this case is that it blew away their own defenser own desr that the media has been repeating for years. they ve been suggesting that hunte r biden really was this incredibly competent in demand. businessman and international expert in his book and in this a trial, it s clear that he was addicted and having a very difficult time managing moste. basic parts of his life. but he was getting millions from these companies wasons. yeah.. all right. jonathan turley, professor, ank you for joinin g us. for now, fox news legal analyst gregg jarrett. harvard law professoing us, for alan dershowitz. professor, you re actually on a satellite tonight, as i, zo don t have you on your little zoom thing. it s great to see you a little bit more clearly. we ll start with you tonight. let s get your taker take on the case. do you agree with the last question i asked professor o and turley, which is about, you know, this is low hangingw, fruit as far as i m concerned, considering the millions of millione s of dollars that they brought into this family at a time he s addicted to drugs and at, you know, with no experiencend, admittedl. in an interview on good morning america. look, the best thing that could possibly happet thinn to, donald trump, is if hunter biden gets acquitted because. en i the evidence against hunter biden is so much, so much more compellinh moreg. the legal issue is so much more compelling than anything against trump.t this and it will prove beyond any doubt that this is all about wherall abe the trial wasc conducted, that if you re trump and you tried in new yortehak, i it s automatic guilt. and if you re biden and you re triec guilif you rd in delawarea different verdict. so the best thing that could possibly happen, trump, is the acquittal of biden. based on all of this evidence. c it would also be aa. good thing for the for america. it would it would uncover and disclose the horrible crimi double standard that our criminal justice system is going throughnaicstem i. maybe we could get some reform. maybe we can do something about it right now. our criminal justice system jug of the world.h and i feel just so horribleable about. it i ve devoted six years of my life to trying to defend tars of and explain a legal system based on neutral principle is g that legal system is gone. the trump case destroyed destro. and if there were an acquittal in this case, at least it would expose it itt. now, there may be a conviction in this case because the evidence is so overwhelmingn that won t hurt donald trump. but if there were an acquittal, it would help donaldalt bu wer t trump enormously in the court of public opinion. pu that the acquievef new york verdict was justified. if there s an acquittal in this casen th, there s such a difference in terms of the venue, it seems. diff greg, that if you want equc justice and equal application of our lawatios and you want constitutional order, it s all going to depend on the venue.t l it s all going to depend on whether how politicizedprosec weaponized the prosecutor may be and how abusively biasede the judge can be. mm-hmm. a yeah, it blows a hole in thes notion constitu usually of an impartial jury. but here are the facts here.e so simple. the law is clear. the evidence of guilt overwhelmingthidence o the argut that hunter was in denial about is addiction. so that somehow forgives his lie. that is so. but look, if a hometown jury is already in your back pocket, then jonathan s right. sympathy and jury mightnotifi actually work. and it doesn t matteca r that jurors are not allowed to negate the law. they do it anyway sometimessecrc because secrecy them.pleaseions they could do as they please without consequence. having said that, prosecutors do have an advantage. ,they don t have to prove that hunter was high on drugs or addicted. ought the day bought the gunth only during the general timeframe, and that was proventt conclusively through text messages, photograph s, oo witnesses, his own words from the book he wrote. hunteotr, it turns out, was the best witness against hunter tohich is precisely why he chose not to testify. e been he would have beenly completely shredded on cross-examination shredcrossi all right. predictions. professor dershowitz essor de? well, i think the evidence a coo overwhelming there could be a conviction, but i wouldn t be surprised if we sawbut jury nullification. remember, jury nullification cuts both ways. what happenee saation.d in new n jury nullification. the jury found an innocen nev person who committed no crime whatsoever, guilty becauseerth of the judge s instruction. and because the prosecutor made up a case that was juryon nullification with the judge nullification. this very well be a casecase o of jury nullification as well. ry prediction. gregg jarrett well, this hase beenen a no nonsense honest judge, a federal judge hugeon difference between this judge and machine. s foll if the jurors follow theirth duty as theyey mus there will be a conviction. all right. i noll rightt know outcome, be t juilty verdict, acquittal, a hung jury. nothing will surprise me here, but we ll see. surall right. we thank you all.co appreciate it. when we come back, thingsmes ar are so i mean, so bad for democrats. you ve got prominent democrats, even a prominent election forecaster are floatinge id the idea that biden should drop out of the rac e. our friend james carville is losing his mind. arm e go, out the latest on him and much more as hannity continuears. i try to put my arm around any event that i can. absolutely. absolutely. at new day, usa, that what we re doing. we put our arm around the veterans. i 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young people for public policy, public service or being involved in the public squaren th is quite dishearteni. and i can understand that on one level, i may not talk term and a lot of things are nos art working for them, and i feel like the two guymean ms that dol mean much to him and i am really afraid that we re goingnl to lose a generation of young people. democrats use it losing their core coalition of party, young people, african-americans, hispanic-americans -. earlier today, election forecaster nate silver echoed comments saying democrats be would have been better off e would if biden had stepped d . yesterday, the new york times even publishinyestg a piece lon highlighting biden s long list of bizarre lies, including his claim that he used to driveh an 18-wheeler, that he was the first in his family to go to collegeo . that is uncle. he was eaten by cannibals. he receiven byd appointment to e naval academy from his future senate fro. he got involved with the civil rights movement at the ageinvold of 15. e we know that s a lie. he was arrested on a front porch with aarrestt family durg desegregation at a local neighborhood and that he never earned $400,000 in a year. well, now, of course, the newco york timesursek of various points, they kind of downplay these blatant lies as hyperbole or exaggeration and ones. and those are the ones they included. that s all the tip of the iceber.e g. cause take a look at your screenwe because we re scrolling more that biden has told over the years. by the wayby the, the new york s you re very, very welcome to use our farst o more comprehensive list of joe biden lies. biden lies you ever decide to an your corrupt and abusive bias? h and by the way, you can eventhat give me attribution. youoh, and joe did partner with that friend of his that mentor of his. that s right. the former klansman, robert byrd, to stop bussing and the integration of publicf schools. remember, joey said he didn t want public school ramembs to become racial jungles. they might want to cover that, too. th mightand as biden struggles e to mount, trump is not slowingtl down at all. his vp search is allegedly in full swing. earcbiden s desperate electione year border crackdown is alreadyear wate failing as i continue to flood over the border, whic h sources nowh saying 10,000 were apprehended on thursday alons knuckle, fours the limit at which biden said procould stop processing claims. in other words, it was asylum all smoke and mirrors als, noteo real. here with reaction, harris poll chair mark pen. n, the host of tomi lahren, is fearless. there s no such thing as a fearful tomi lahren. anyway, on outkick. tomi lahren. tomi, let s get your take. it s a long list of people now. it s james carville. i won t speak for mark penn. let i ll let him speak for himself. but it s van jones. it s david axelrod. is maureen dowd, nate silver. norod,w joining the chorus?you you have been saying, do you still believe 140 days out,o you think they re going to replace biden? i absolutely believe they re going to replace biden. i believe it s going to happen either at the conventionen.is or shortly thereafter. i think the democrats are far to s oro strategic and they re far too used to winninger and they enjoyefor winning far t much to take a risk with joe biden. and i knowe bide they took a rik in 2020. but when we look back ate lo and the debates in 2020 and we look at when he was newly elected, he was in fahen her better shapa than he is now, and he was slipping then. son th h i don t think they cani possibly take that risk. i do believe they re going to swablwho belip out. tha i also think that when it comes to this first debate, we need to actually raise our expectations of joe, because us counting it as aiseui he s able to sit upright and complete his sentence is givino stepg him far too much credit because then he ll claim a victory just like he did aften her the state of the union because he was able to get through it in one piece. so we have tioo raiseo ra our expectations of biden. and we also have to put the onuse oude on the democrat a and not just the messenger, but the actual messagecrat a. d because if and when they do swap out biden, we have to be ready on the republican siden and we cannot be caught flat footed if they bring gavin newsom in anottedd he s a shiny new toy. we can t let that happen. we thas, egy of the democrat i don t think we got that.n: i think it s more likel i dot be whitmer if they have the ability to bypass vice b president. mark, can anybody really conclude anythinmark, g? smart democrats like yourself, you really don t want biden, do you? well, i think i ll i ll defer that one per se. but look, i didn t think he wasd goinidn g to run. he decided to run. thesyou know what swept the democratic primaries? these are his delegatee hes. it s his convention. the idea that he s not going i to be the nominee i think is ara fantasy. i think the party is around hiri . i don t know why james said what he said. it s not really particularly tyi oint. useful at this point. i l the only thing i ll say is this the base. mark, you know why he saidid what he said? vengeance. a little riskyha. you know why he said it was. it s a sign that it s obvious this guy is a mumbling and bumbling, stumbling, bumbling. you know, he could barely sentences together. however, i do take tommy swever, admonition really seriously. i think we ll see the return up of jacked up joe.wh whatever joe drankatev eight tak before the state of the union. maybe it was just red bull and caffeine pills. i don t know. whatever it was, that was note m the normal joe. we never saw it before and we haven t seen it since. but we will see it fornce. the. now, there are some even saying, mark, that donald jus trump might be wise to just pass on the first debate. wait till he s nominatede firs,n debate. and what would you say to thawhat wt? h oh, i d say he accepted it. he it in the lion s den. ifif i were donald trump, i would have done some betterin negotiating here, but i don t think he can back ougt without really looking cowardly. and i think biden has, you know, said he s going to meet the challenge. i thinow, saidk it s big test wt he is whether you think he s jacked up or noher yot. dt if he can get through that debate, he ll lift his campaign. and if he can theampaign ant, - that might actually be in some jeopardy. they might have actually, joe, might have done donald trump a favo mr and i say this affectionately, tommy, by insistingg that that when itm his turn to speak, that they mute his microphone becausk the think that was a mistake in the first debate in 2020. your reaction? well, i would hope with a i w lot of things foouldr that firsd debate. obviously, it s stacked against donald trump and we know that. but i thin agak donald trump han incredible opportunity in this first debate to act more presidentiaortunityirst den he s ever acted in his entire life. push everything on joe and joe pushs agenda and his failed policies, which is the democrat failed and policies and agenda. de donald trump just sits back and he lets talk himself into a corner, then donald trump will win that first debate. he just has to restrain himself, which i believeave to he do i . pull it in, act t as presidentit and dignified as possible, n and he will win against joe biden and his failed policies. he simply can t stand on thosebn . and quite frankly, he can t stand at all. all right. t ask you this. if, in fact, joe, for whatever mark penn went out, tom is convinced mar it wouldt be gavin newsom. i m not sure. i don t think it would be gavin. that s just my guess. i have no inside knowledgethat except that he told me over ove and over and over and over again when i interviewed himt do and in the debate with governor desantis, that he wouldn t do it. okayokay. so i think the most lk person, if it s notharris president harris, would be governor whitme wor whitmr. that s my take. people have floated the name jo michelle e obama. i don t think she s up to the. job myself. would be the most likelywh democrat? who would you pick if you had to choose somebody? well, again, you have to go through the history here. these delegates were nominated for this ticket. harris, i think would be the likely nominee if for some reason, any reasone hims joe biden had to remove himself, you could bet on thate as almost a certainty you think would be kamala harrisy feat. yes, absolutely. all right. is on well, bet the game s on.t i don t know what you guys want to. bet. but, you know, feel free, you know, off ai yr. when w thank you both. all right. when we come back. all right. foack ghr israeli hostages, thak god held by hamas terrorists october the seventh. they were rescued duringai what was a daring raid this week. and we have the video of it. but your vic we ho e is making sure to appease her far left base rather than praising those involved in the heroic raid. ha 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tragicallyt ha killed duringn an the raid and call for an end to the war. playino thg, of course, to her extremist left-wing base which showed in full force thishi weekend in front of the white house and promptlyin fro started vandalizing monuments and lafayette square, reportedlyyette sq at police ant service and demanding the elimination of the state of israel. now, secret service agents, you know were told to kill themselves and there was a lot of f the police s release fromof some of these radicals. and by way, they were forced fro to retreat from the insane mob. anyway, herethe in reaction. r former senior aide to presidentr trump stephe sn miller. and from the lawfare project,pr brooke goldsteinoject is us. you know, the people that aresi responsible fobler the murder of 1200, brooke, the people that took all of these israelisi and americans hostage and israel bravely is risking lives to go saved is the liveseh of people. i argue that every death of every palestinian that blood is on the hand is of hamas, that that started this war, esea that killed these israelis. the worst terror attack in their history. and it s miraculous that they got thesn histor mire four host. and that would be called a rescue, not a release. your reaction? well, sean it s great to beo be here with you again tonight. and i want to say that you re ab are absolutely correct. under the laws of armed conflict , it is hamas, a terrorist group that is responsible for the death of civilians, both israeli civilians and palestiniaans bothaelin civ. but you have to ask yourself, knowing what is happeningwhat in this war right now, at what point under the laws of armer td conflict do you lose your civilian status? t wa because let us not forget that it wa00s over 2000 and gaza civilians that broke into israel on october the seventh. it was the gazan civilians along with hamas that tortured that that murdered that burned israeli civilian babies alive. it was gazan civilians that then took israeli civilianit gars as hosts that kept them, tortured them were paid by hamas to keep them, raise them as . at what point do you lose your civilian status, being a civilian is not an affirmative defense to murder civilians or r do murder other civilians. and you best be sureothers c tho matter what you call yourself, if you kidnap and murder israeli civilians, the idf will rightly hols thd accountabt and, you know, it s sort of like that that coastal elitist, you know, hollywood leftists, george clooney and his wife literally wanting bg bibi netanyahu to be brought up on war crimes as he s literally trying to defend his own country from radical islamic terrorists radic. al you know how people lack that moral clarity. stephen miller i will nevestepha for the life of me understanndd israel has the right to self-determination to defend their country from a group that has in their charter a call israel s destruction that would have been 40,0000 ded dead americans in a day based on their populationn. and then you have, you know, jack actors likegoing george clooney and his wife going after the prime prime mint for trying to preserve their country. really? well, you knowally, is your morl compass, mr. clooney. although mr. i m being a bito too polite. here isn there isn t one, sean. there s no moral compasss no moe the radical left in this country has decided that it s on the side of hamas. it s as simple as that. hamas is a genocidal terroristte organizationrror. one of the most evil, vile, repugnant, repulsive organizations alive today, or any point in the history of humanity. they, as has been discussed, they , they butcher, wome murder, they tortur coue t enslave women and children, barbarians. but joe biden, us democrat parte y is now playing fore pr the pro hamas vote in this this country. they re playing for whatever sliver of voters in this country they thinkslivft is sympathetic to hamas. now, that s morally to hs morall. but i would also sayi wo it s politically idiotichamas because for every pro-hamas site in this country thi, theres 20 voters, 30 voters who are as horrified and, as appalled te by the atrocities of hamas i e are on this panel tonight. i believe joe biden will pay a dearbeliev pay price for cozyp to that segment of thete us electorate. e this is one of the saddest moments in us histor u.sy that n did he abdicate america s rolee on the world stage as theus leader of the cause of libertyan and freedod freem but then he ao surrendered in the war against islamic terrorism by saying, we re not going to help israel defend against those people that attacked them on october 7th. you know, just just the perfect to raise money with george clooney and his wife. thanoney a his wifk you both.p t appreciate it. coming up, donald trump,he biy in thea, thell state of virginia, the commonwealth, well, the blue statecommon red in nov. we ll ask governor glenn youngkin. and later, biden hosted a juneteenth event at the white house 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work for you. call now and order ellipse. all right this is huge. according to the latest fox poll in the commonwealth of virginia. donald trump.n, joe biden. this is a second poll in a row a tied at 48%. o remember, this is the place joe biden won by ten points in 2020. the same poll shows trump winning 25% of black voters in the commonwealth of virginia right now.n repu can republicans considerbl virginia in playrginia come novb joining us with moreer, virginia governor glennh youngkin.t gahe governor, listen, your victory reallyer shocked the world man in many ways because a lot of people, like myself include d ,thought that virginia had gone solidly blue, that northern virginia, thata h- too many d.c. employees that were going to vote for the bureaucracrey. and it became that much more difficult of a state to win. to wiis this state in play forf donald trump? sean? it is i believe it is. and that s exactly what the polls are showing us. just like georgia and pennsylvania and wisconsin. michigan, nevada and arizona, those battlegrounda an states ae seeing the exact same kind of statement that virginians are make. and they want a strong america. they want an america that ha was economic strength, not the biden generated economy. no unleashed inflation. they want an america that has national security, not the indecisive, weak america that joe biden has created. they want an america that has a secure border, not one that has terrorist and illegal immigrants and fentanyl flowing over every day. i i mean, we see it in virginia. we literally have five virginians dying on average from fentanyl overdose. and we hadeinians d i two illegl immigrants crash the gates at quantico in a box truck recently. and they want an america that has energy . we are so tired. i can hear it every single day of being told that you have to buy. and even if you live e b in california, but not in virginia anymore because we declared our independenc ivirgir that in fact you and you have, 0 to pay 20, 30, 40% more for a gallon of gas because of the biden failed energy policy. they want trump back in the amei white house because he built a strong america. and that sca exactly what we ve seen in virginia over the course of the last couple of years , commonsense conservative policy works. we ve unleashed a riunleashep ey in virginia, and i think they want to see it on a national level. yean thins, virginia is in play.in we got five months of hard work . but i m telling you, when they put that when they put the records of president trump againss oft president bidi i believe that virginians and american ts are going to fid themselves pulling the lever for president trump. so when i was with presidentr trump last week and i did an asterview with himeseekend, youe came up and he asked me ifke i spoke to you off, and i said, well, occasionally you we you k, we have we have spoken. and you come on the show. , tell and he said, when you talk to him, tell him i m going to give him a call goito g. i want to thoughts on virginia. so i would say expect the callmt from president trump. i don t know. i m just a mere messenger. right. you know, what about northern virginia? because that alwayr.s scares me, because there are so many dark bureaucrats that live in the commonwealth of, virginia, that work in d.c. and how big ah percentage of the vote is that going to end up being for the commonwealthating the ? well, in order to win virginia like we did in 2021,e you have to lose northern virginia less badly. and what we did, of course, was wen the hispanic vote, we won the asian vote, we won oen the independendent vt vote. people are ready for change. and in 2021, they were readywe to see parents put back at the head of the table, controlof of control of their children s lives. they were tire t children sd oft taking all of their hard earned money and putting it in government cofferrned mones,g in their pocket. they wanted a chance to build their livethey wands the way thd to build them and not being told what to do all the timeo . mandated masks and oh, by the way, mandate what kind of ca or. you drive. this is virginia. and of course, i think thithisv is america. and therefore, the plan to win virginiathan t is, of course, to lose northern virginia. less bad, but to get over 40% nt of the vote and then knock it out in the rest of the state. di and that s exactly what we did in 2021. and when you looand when youk am trump s strength across virginia, that s exactly what he ca ginia thn. let me ask you a finalr fi question. if donald trump annald i knowou your name hasn t been out there prominently, but if donald trump called not you, asked you toun run with him, what would you say,m governor? well, well, first, i would be honored and humblede . he rep tell him that there is a ton of talent in the republican party today, everyw and i ve seen them everywhere. and it s my job to finismyh winv my finish my time as governor and help him win virginia. irwhat tell you what.ha we ve got to make sure weve t get donald trump back in the white house because donat withstand another four years of joe biden. is that a hard no, sean,r hear that that is that is a a realistic view of the fact that there s so much talentha that i think he can have a great choice and fin d lots of people i think i can ask this would be honored but indert understand. all righand. t governor, alwayswhen great to have you on the program. when we come back, the white w u house hold the juneteenth event tonight. they didn t go well for joe. straight aheadll o, the thinking is starting the writing clock. usa today, the wall street journal and entertainment weekly hailed the black writers on june 21st. one of the biggest films of the summer arrived the many nice little i like you guys. you re in a nice. how many staff ladies did you win? they said seven. felt like one. he keeps writing. he s going to die one way or another. you re crazy. we are on desire, but 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following that bull. they said he was out to get to safe place. they initiated protocol. and i haven t timed the video, but i would say that they had him in less than 30 seconds roped and contained. todd: wow. they were amazing. todd: we got to run. will you bring your family back to the rodeo ever again? 5 seconds to you you, danielle. most definitely. not only the sisters rodeo every year but every other rodeo that is close. we are definite rodeo fans. todd: danielle smithers thank you for that video. the bull was named party bus. more like the bachelor party at the end of the night at the beginning. carley: not a busy would want to be on. todd: fox & friends begins right now. carley: have a good day, everybody. the sitcom begins. brian: sounds liked i should be walking and the kitchen et, hi, hone i m home. it feels like that. go ahead, steve. i digress. steve: it s 6:0-:35. ainsley: 30 seconds until 6:01. steve: this is not a sitcom it s a news program. tuesday, june 11th my parents anniversary, welcome aboard. president biden appearing to freeze up during a unity is jun. accusing republicans of disenfranchising voters. they are all ghosts in new garments trying to take us back. taking away your freedoms. making it harder for black people to vote. i don t think he has any rhythm. this as a feigned pollster say items should still consider dropping biden from the ticket. uber driver going viral for. lawrence: look at her. she has rhythm. ainsley: karaoke sing along. karaoke. lawrence: that woman can dance. brian: jimmy failla has a new idea to start his show. fox & friends starts right now. remember mornings are better with friends good morning, get dressed. steve: all right. in just a couple of hours. day two of deliberations are going to start in hunter biden s gun trial in delaware. brian: yep. the fate of the president s son could be decided as soon as today after federal prosecutors told them to ignore the first family s presence through the proceedings. ainsley: there were about a dozen of them in the courtroom. rich edson live in wilmington outside the courtroom. what can we expect today, rich? will we get a decision? we very well could. jurors are back at it 9:00 a.m. judge mary ellen neighbor can a will deliberations will resume. they deliberated yesterday about one hour and 10 minutes after hearing an hour of clo close arguments. using drugs lying about it on a federal form and legally owning and possessing that weapon for 11 days all in october of 2018. they led off their presentation referring directly to the biden family members in the courtroom including the first lady saying people sitting in the gallery are not evidence and that nobody is above the law. prosecutors highlighted his ex-girlfriend zoe kestan and high hallie biden s drug use. reviewed text messages he sent hallie days after buying that gun claiming he was meeting a gun dealer and smoking crack. watched hunter testify fill out that federal form and check no to the question about being a drug user. ababe magic trickrelying on paso prove hunter was using drugs when he bought that gun. there are no photos of him using drugs in december of 2018 or testimony at this trial of witnesses actually observing hunter use drugs then. as for those texts in the week that hunter bought the gun, claiming he was meeting a dealer and smoking crack. lowell said hunter had lied to hale biden before about where he was. if hunter is convicted. he faces $757,000 in fine and 20 years in prison. that s the max he would though be a first time nonviolent offender if he is convicted. back to you. steve: so, rich, the conventional wisdom if there is a verdict today, a quick verdict, that would probably not be so good for hunter. but, if it dration on there could be one or two or a couple of jury members who are going i got some doubts. yeah. absolutely. if this happens quickly. and this is just reading the tea leaves here how things have gone before. if the jury comes back very quickly and says hey, we have a decision. probably a bad signal for hunter biden. if this drags out, as you said, steve, they have a handful of jurors i don t know about this, i don t know about that. really all they need is one is to not go along in this hung jury. you are the one outside. keep us posted rich edson live in wilmington, thank you very much. lawrence: it s going to be interesting. if the verdict comes back today and hunter biden is now a convicted felon, if the president continues to use the rhetoric on the campaign trail. as we know he says hunter biden is the smartest guy that he knows. if his son is now a convicted felon is this something that he still uses on the campaign trail. steve: about trump? lawrence: about donald trump. i think he will probably limit it if hunter biden is convicted. steve: but, you know, it s a great point, lawrence, he has kind of limited it so far. maybe is he telegraphing it. i m not going to say it about donald trump i will let my other people do the talking like that. brian: i will ad something else about that. when they talk about a convicted felon. that s going to come up in the debated, i guess, perhaps, when he brings that up. also, i think the best thing to happen for president trump would be for this hometown jury to exonerate this guy and say oh, is he just an addict and the problem is, too, it could have been so much worse. ainsley: are they going to do that for everybody else that does the same thing and breaks the law. brian: everybody there knows the bidens. ainsley: he made the decision to do the drugs. if he lied about doing drugs on a drug form that s illegal. it doesn t matter whose son he is he decided not to testify. there were a bunch of biden family members inside the courtroom which could sway the jury. they might see all of his relatives. the first lady and say oh, gosh, they are powerful people. i m i m not going to brian: the prosecutor to your point, ainsley, addressed that in the closing yesterday and said that the people that are in the crowd is not a body of evidence. essentially telling to the jury, listen, follow the facts as they i don t care who is in the courtroom. you should ignore that. ainsley: none of that matters he says. brian: almost like a script writer. you literally have the texts of him doing drugs, the name of the drug dealer and location is he giving it. almost as if he wants to be caught. might be great psychologists dr. phil should sit down and look at this because he seems to be so resentful of his family and the pressure on his shoulders. next thing you know the laptop is out there. in it is everything the family has been up to. the denials the family went through. the flipping to now all of a sudden understanding everyone understands it is real. and then waiting long enough that his foreign agent the charges of him being unregistered foreign agent the fara charges evaporate. those are the real things. nobody wants him on the gun charge. they wanted to find out why was paul manafort in solitary confinement when you are doing the same thing, worse, on a multiple of countries? ainsley: maybe he was high when he was writing those text messages. think about we don t do drugs, we have had glasses of wine, maybe you are overserved a little bit too much. you say something to someone that you regret the next day. then can you understand how that could happen. maybe when he is texting people, talking about his dealer and he is sitting in the car smoking crack, he might have been high. brian: perfect punctuation for a crack guy. better than mine and i m not on crack. right? steve: that is true. i have seen some of your text messages. brian: my dashes and my commas? steve: ultimately, the bigger issue here is this law that he is accused of breaking is to make sure that people who are not addicts or addicted to drugs get guns. that s really what is all with . the prosecution proved yesterday they said that he did. leo weiss, the prosecutor said if this evidence didn t establish that hunter biden was a crack addict and unlawful user then no one else is a crack addict. ainsley: gun laws. lawrence: interesting thing happened at the white house. juneteenth musical festival yesterday at the white house. and the president was there. and many people that were observing it can you go to twitter and see it. they think that the president froze during that moment. i think that the president just has no rhythm. and is not a part of it. steve: that s what mike lee the senator says. lawrence: i agree with the senator. the reason why this is important is because if know joe biden. he always says it was a part of the black church. he marched through the civil rights. naacp. joined the naacp very early limit for someone that has been around black people his entire life, been in the church dancing with him and everything. he has no rhythm at all and i don t know but, but the white people there that i grew up. ate at the dinner table that went to church with us. they can dance just as good as we could. can you clap. anybody can clap. brian: lawrence, don t overstate it. don t overstate white people. got it wrong though. white people i grew up with could keep up with you. steve: the president is certainly motionless kirk franklin. brian: maybe so much. steve: they celebrated last night. they observed juneteenth early. but it did give the administration the chance to talk a little bit and joe biden never mentioned his political opponents by name. but you could tell who he was talking about. listen to this from the president last night. clear, they are all ghosts in garments trying to take us back. they are. taking away your freedoms, making it harder for black people to vote. i will have your vote counted. closing doors of opportunity. attacking the values of diversity, equity and inclusion. it s about our present and our future. it s whether that future is a future all of us, not just for some of us. brian: dei down # 4% among corporate america. it s not republicans. by the way, if you want to go back into the past. and that s what he is inferring or implying, i think it s democrats that put on the hoods and were kkk. i think it was democrats that wanted separate but equal. wanted segregation. do you want to keep hearkening back to when your party was confused about equality for all was all about and why he keeps going back to a time in a country that he runs to paint such a brutal scenario as if it were premandela south africa is beyond me. steve: he wants to look, it s a political season, he wants to say hey, i m protecting you, donald trump is going to take your rights away. that s one of the reasons why the vice president was there she ticked off the administration s accomplishments. she went on and on. tapped the first female black supreme court justice. signed the gun law. the white house issued a fact sheet outlining measures to protect black history all at the hands of joe biden. brian: republicans are looking to take it away. ainsley: look at the polls though, they are about one fourth of black voters are liking trump. his poll numbers have dropped among black voters. steve: biden s? ainsley: 79%. now 72%. polling guru nate silver who runs 538. is he suggesting that biden s latest approvallor disapproval ratings might be cause for him to get out of the race. i don t know, but it s more than fair to ask this. so, the approval rating for joe biden is now 37.4%. steve: posted two things on x. he said, first of all, what, clear my opinion is that democrats would have been better served if biden had decided a year ago not to seek a second term which would have allowed he them to have some semblance of a primary process and give voters a say among many democrats across the country it. continues, biden just hit a new all time low. 38. dropping out would be a big risk but there is some threshold below which continuing to run is a bigger threat risk are we there yet? i don t know. it s more than fair to ask. keep in mind, nate silver back in february, we talked about it on the couch. actually couch in the other room, said, you know what? his numbers stink. and they would be smart, the democrats would be to find somebody else. lawrence: it s important to realize who joe biden is talking to when he makes inflammatory comments like that. he is not talking to democrats at large. is he not even talking to republicans. he is talking to the black and hispanic voters that are shifting to the other direction. and he is saying don t you move. he is saying if you re thinking about going for donald trump, forget about the economic success. forget about where you may stand on the issues. you cannot move. and i need to remind you of the fear campaign for years and years that we have done as a democratic party. and so this is not a president that wants to be inspirational. this is not a president that wants to say that you do better. is he not even a president that says that i m pushing you forward as a community. i need to remind you that the republican brian, you laid out the history in great way. but he said dismiss that don t worry about the history. you need to understand that the republicans wanted to put you in chains and if you vote for them. brian: you ain t black. lawrence: you ain t a part of the community. brian: he said you ain t black. lawrence: he said it on the campaign trail last time don t you dare move. i predicted this. ainsley: lawrence says last i checked, yes i am. lawrence: bingo. i predicted. this ever since the bronx rally if you pay attention to the democrats. the heat is turning up because you have been seeing the crowds and you have been seeing these diverse faces. and it s freaking the democrats out. if they if they get half of what the polling is suggesting in the next election, republicans, then it s over for the democrats. so they need them. and so they can t talk about the issues. they have to run on fear, brian. brian: yeah, i think it s so you irresponsible to the leader of the country to talk as if america is 1972 or 1958. run on the country. inspirational message what you will do. barack obama, anyone was going to say president obama. he didn t have that message. wasn t he the vice president during that time? steve: sure. lawrence: in his defense he could have forgotten what year we are in. brian: the speech writer didn t because more morehouse and charlamagne tha god,. ainsley: might be white or hispanic saying they re trying to take us back, excuse me, trump is trying to take us back. that s just not true. the black community knows that is so wrong, correct? steve: ultimately, what they are trying to do it s an election year, going back to where we started, he, joe biden is in trouble with a number of his core item gratification. that s one of the reasons right now they are freaking out at the white house that across the river from the white house is the commonwealth of virginia. right now, the latest poll we showed it s neck and neck between donald trump and joe biden. i think they are tied at 48 or 49%. brian: three straight polls. steve: 48% right there. joe biden won that pretty reliably blue state by 10 points four years ago. glenn youngkin, the current governor was on with sean hannity last night and said, you know what? this state is up for grabs. i believe it is. and that s exactly what the polls are showing us. just like georgia and pennsylvania and wisconsin, michigan, nevada and arizona. those battle ground states are seeing the exact same kind of statement that virginians are making. they want a strong america. they want an america that has economic strength. not the biden-generated economy that s unleashed inflation. brian: new hampshire same thing. i haven t seen a poll in minnesota. but if minnesota is also in play? my goodness you are talking about 40 states that could be going into the former president s column. i just saw a fascinating story on politico. the lead story how wall street is now coming to the president. silicon valley over the weekend, you saw what happened. lawrence: huge event. brian: david sacks came out and said i expected 45 million ended up with 12 million. john cass that meets blackstone steven shoultsman. port bridge capital. ackman, ken griffin from citadel all saying in the past i had a problem after january 6th. i voting for desantis. i supported desantis. i m. in part of it is these court cases. they see the way the businessman is being secured and on manufactured charges. ainsley: and inflation and how that is affecting their bottom line, too. president trump is meeting with 200 ceos on thursday for a round table discussion about his business plan and how you will be better off with my economy versus joe biden s. lawrence: do you know what i worry, about though, ainsley, when you look at the polling and see minority voters. see the business community. you see republicans uniting behind the president, we still got a long way until the election. and so i worry with the polling data being where it is and everyone being on fire. that some people may stay at home. i just think it s important as the president and the former president campaigns because the republicans already have a problem with he shallly voting and mail-in ballots as well. and to the former president s credit. he is telling republicans now that they need to use all measures all tools of voting. but you don t want your side to get too excited and to say well, it looks like it s in the bag. i m going to stay at home. i worry about that. brian: the national poll has been a dead heat, one or two points, all in the margin of error. july 11th will be the biggest day. ainsley: 4 #-49. steve: how the white house is enlisting hollywood to try to get those kids interested and where are they going to advertise? tiktok. brian: robert deniro doesn t seem angry. ainsley: their pac is called i have it on here somewhere. what is the name of their pac? it s won t back down. liberal grirts park and liberation and snl. steve: we won t back down. 20 minutes after the hour. brian: what do you mean. ainsley: i will share them. turning now to your headlines beginning with chaotic anti-israel protests in new york city. [sho [chanting] ainsley: honoring victims of the nova music festival murdered by hamas october 7th. protesters set off flares and set off anti-israel slogans. elsewhere in the city could be seen carrying around a banner saying long live october 7th. can you believe that? praising the mass killings committed by hamas. which left over 1200 israelis dead. at least 120 hostages are still in the hands of hamas. house republicans release never before seen footage from januar. appearing to show former house speaker nancy pelosi make a stunning admission on camera. why weren t the national guard there to begin with? they thought they had sufficient yeah not a question if they have they don t know. they clearly didn t know and i take responsibility for not having them just prepare for war. lawrence: wow, huge. ainsley: remember they requested. and they requested and denied. brian: she takes responsibility. ainsley: pelosi seemingly taking responsibility for the failed response in the clip from three years ago but the down playing those remarks. the fact is that the president of the united states, the former president and his to does do not want to face the facts. they are trying to do revisionist history on january 6th. lawrence: she is such a liar. ainsley: pelosi s team maintains the former speaker was not in charge of security at the capitol complex at the time. brian, would you like it share the headlines? brian: officials in california rescuing a stranded kite surfer after the pilot spotted the word help on the sand. genius. a first responder went down from the helicopter and the surfer was hoisted to safety. it is not clear how long they were stung on the beach. officials say the surfer did not need medical attention. ainsley, you take it back. ainsley: all right. uber driver in florida going viral after hitting all the right notes with passengers. i usually only have one rule in my car everybody dance now i got karaoke we need you to take us watch this, watch this. low, low, low, low, low ainsley: i hope she is at a stoplight there she even has a microphone. she lives in tampa. if you are in tampa. you might get her as an uber driver. one of a kind karaoke experiences where riders choose a song and they sing their hearts out. five star rated driver says, quote: i realized when people got in my car we weren t going to agree on religion or politics but music is a uniter. music touches everybody s soul. steve: she is absolutely right. she gives everybody. okay. here is my spotify list. go ahead and hit something. the words come on. she has apparently got props in the back where there is like a microphone and some michael jackson glasses and stuff like that. can you act it out. brian: i bet she doubles her salary a year because of tips. apple boughten jeans with the fur. ainsley: apple bottom jeans flo rida. steve: she is in florida. brian to your point about she probably has doubled her pay. just the fact that she is on tiktok. she is making money on that tiktok thing. we just showed it and probably a million people. brian: now the chinese have seen and it using it against her. you know the problem wither h right? chewing gum. lawrence: come on. brian: i have to ask her. ainsley: what would you do in her backseat. brian: have to ask people to take it out. steve: it s her car. get out of her car. ainsley: music is so loud. would you sing karaoke? i don t think you would. lawrence: imagine seeing all that talent and you see gum in the mouth. unbelievable. brian: coming up next. it s a bit of a mystery. there are many ways to do things. at old dominion freight line, we do them this way. this way has people who start early. people who care and inspire each other to do things the way they should be done. this way uses technology ( ) and goes the extra mile ( ) to deliver your promises on-time, every time. this way is why we re the number one national ltl carrier for quality. for us, this way is the right way which is why it s the only way we go. voices of people with cidp: cidp disrupts. cidp derails. let s be honest. all: cidp sucks! voices of people with cidp: but living with cidp doesn t have to. when you sign up at shiningthroughcidp.com, you ll find inspiration in real patient stories, helpful tips, reliable information, and more. cidp can be tough. but finding hope just got a little easier. sign up at shiningthroughcidp.com. all: be heard. be hopeful. be you. 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very bad. tremendous uptick in criminal activity. we want to talk about there was recently a shooting where the migrant shot, two of our police officers. our local cops. trying to keep us safe who were tailing him because he was a suspect in several robberies. now, they shoot at our police officers. we have stealing packages off the stoops. hundreds and hundreds of motor scooters using to commit crime. prostitution shelters outside. roosevelt avenue plagued by a wave of lawlessness. that wave is clearly coordinating to what what has been coming in and our lack of effective response by those in government today representing us. brian: how would you describe the neighborhoods, the ethnicity, the income that are being abused like this by these illegal immigrants who obviously are ungrateful despite getting free room, free shelter, free board? the majority of the district that i represent as district leader and i represented in the past is council member, is he a working class of people of color community overwhelmingly latino and african-american, asian, and south asian. brian: how angry are they. very angry. the fact of the matter in my community, a lot of homeowners, there is taxpayers. residents of our community who really are important part of our city, the fabric of who we re. and they support all the good things and then now they are in a good decent neighborhood and they have all these shelters coming in and really negatively impacted. very poor planning by all at the table. brian: 19-year-old involved in the gang. neck tattoo. bulls jersey that says they are involved in these gangs. out to kill people. the guy that shot the two cops was still struggling. they were still trying to get him in the car there was no contrition. they are sending us their worst. there s no doubt about it. based on my experience, living in queens in the community that literally is the pertinent of epicenter.large segment of peopy part of organized crime networks operating in the borough of queens. brian: democratic administration. democratic officials. some for some reason washington doesn t want to hear from the cities. doesn t want to hear from queens. doesn t want to hear from the mayor. but i m glad you are speaking out and taking action. listen, the bottom line is we all want to be safe. we want public safety and we want everyone in office to understand that our community deserves to be safe just like any other place in america. brian: keep on demonstrating and we will keep on covering it. all right, hiram hopefully things will change. installing vape detectors in bathrooms to crack down on troublemakers. music unnecessary action hero! unnecessary. was that necessary? 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steve: i m doing okay. i understand this was actually the idea of a student who said, you know, there are people vaping in there. i remember when in high school they were smoking in the boys room. now they are just vaping in the boys room and girls room, right? absolutely. one of my students that sits on my principal s council now a ninth grader brought this to our attention and really wanted us to do something about it. steve: with this a.i. technology it can actually detect vapor. and apparently it can tell the difference between nicotine and pot? yes. it actually can determine between different chemical signatures in the air. so even if the girls are spraying perfume it won t go of o. but if they re using a vape and let s say it has nicotine or marijuana it will send a signal to us right away. steve: you get an email immediately, what do you do? well, i have security officers in my building that carry ipads who they get the alert just as quickly as i do. so then they go to that bathroom and they check on see holt students were that were in the bathroom in a time frame. we bring them down to the office. we can do backpack checks. we can talk to the kids a lot of times the kids will del us straight upfront. kids are usually good. they tell us they are try these things because it s cool. steve: right, indeed. the peer pressure. hey, look at this. i got a vape pen, whatever, try it. and that s how it starts. in addition, apparently there are no microphones. but there is this a.i. technology algorithm that can hear sounds. so, that, you know, if people are involved in a fight or roughhousing, but it can differentiate between like a toilet lid slamming and, i know, somebody getting a haymaker. yes. it can definitely. what it does, it registers the decibels in the room and sends us annual alert if it is over a period of time. but, also realize middle schoolers are loud no matter. what sometimes when they are in the room it s a little loud. steve: i would imagine just knowing that they have got the vape detectors in the bathrooms now, that s got to be some sort of a deterrent. they have to find some place. absolutely. the whole idea behind this was to stop new kids from vaping. so, that, you know, the ones who are already doing it and are addicted trying to help. the ones we want to stop are the ones before they start. steve: it s great idea. frank, thank you very much for joining us from new york. and congratulations on your retirement. at the end of this season as an educator frank is going to go fishing. thank you very much. have great day. steve: you too, have a great life and summer as well. all right. you too. steve: thanks, frank. 17 minutes before the top of the hour. serrie is getting senatorrer as apple rolls out a massive ai update is there any way to escape ai in every part of our lives? 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ainsley: what if you miss something? what if the narrative is controlled it s not controlled by me it s a machine and someone else programming that telling it to summarize in a certain way. ainsley: elon musk if apple integrates open ai at the of level apple devices will be banned at my companies. that is unacceptable security violation. kurt: two things there. is he right. is he right about being a more of a private and security risk. if you noticed in the announcement yesterday what tim cook said is we re bringing in the opportunity on top of apple intelligence work on a machine. we re now going to connect this outward and allow you to ask chatgpt things that you might want to know. you can share a document with them. photos, videos so, now you re inapparently very private stuff is being encouraged to share outwardly to chatgpt s open ai. i don t know if i m comfortable with that yet. i have a lot of questions about it because that s not how i m used to apple being. ainsley: our children. i don t want a.i. to necessarily have that. kurt: the second thing with elon musk that you have to measure there, he has a beef with open ai. he has a dispute with them. at first when i heard that i thought, all right, is he just mouthing off on his dispute. but, he has got a point. he has got a point that we have to really measure our privacy here. and we have to start asking ourselves bigger questions about ai. because now apple is in the game. and they are writing the ticket for everybody in the world in terms of what we do with technology. we need to ask ourselves to what extent do we want ai to control our lives? because a wave of unmeasured, unbounded ai is going to be coming at us, and we may not have decisions to be made it may not be easy to make our own decisions in the future what machine is doing it for you again and again and again. people s mindset gets into that direction. ainsley: all these tech companies taking advantage of it. cutting edge and they want to bed first. hand it over to brian. hi,brian. brian: hi, ainsley. keep in touchy will try to see you during the break. arrest made after three alarm fire tore through miami complex yesterday. a 73-year-old man allegedly got into an argument with an employee, shot them, then set the place on fire. that worker is in critical condition. four others required medical assistance for smoking inhalation including three firefighters. authorities say over 40 residents. most of whom are elderly, were rescued. now. this shocking video out of jefferson county, colorado. showing a person proudly tearing up an american flag. it was planted on the side of a road to honor a fallen police or fallenpolice officers after e creating a total of 7 flags the vandal gave the surveillance officer the middle finger. sheriff s office is asking for help to identify the person so so she quotes gets the encore she deserves. remember the man in michigan who went viral during his court appearances for driving without a license? just give me one second. i m parking right now. so maybe i don t understand something. you are driving without a license suspended? that is correct, your honor. and he was just driving and he doesn t have a license? based upon what the court looked at he has never had a michigan license, ever. and has never had a license in the other 49 states and commonwealths that form up this great union. brian: you can t suspend something you never h corey harris now has his learner s permit after passing a theory test. he was seen dancing after getting the good news and could get his full license as soon as next month. i don t understand how can you actually get a license after it was suspended after not having had one and being in trouble for driving anyway. steve: it s this easy, brian, he never had a license. he thought he had a license but then it was apparently suspended because he wasn t paying child support. so he never had a license. so it was impossible to suspend it. lawrence: this is after we apologized. we ran the story. and we ll found. steve: the state got the story wrong. lawrence: apparently all this outrage on social media you just embarrassed this guy. it was a court error. and then the judge comes upped from the secretary of state the judge goes there was no error. he just never had a license. so. ainsley: how do you think he had a license. he took the license test or he didn t. brian: either a stranger got in your car with a clipboard or it didn t happen. or did you just pick up somebody in the street and say would you judge my driving? lawrence: that is true. a little too in my opinion is he a little too old for a learner s permit. steve: never too old. lawrence: i got a learner s permit when i was 14. ainsley: is he up to date on his child support payment? steve: we don t know about that. once again a great guy to have on the show we have a million. lawrence: ainsley wants to know if he is taking care of the kids. ainsley: take care of your babies. maybe is he now. they wouldn t give him a permit before because he wasn t. steve: learner s permit so he can officially get a license. good luck. lawrence: we ll cover it. more fox & friends. we still got two hours. brian: if they want to wrap us. now playing the music before we wrap. the control room is taking control and joe bide
on this new hour of diamond, a key member of israel s core cabinet has resigned. what does this departure mean for netanyahu s war on gaza? also, tonight, extremism on the rise, hate group surge across america and why are migrant family still being separated at the u.s. border and being left in limbo. here with is live, let s do it. we began with an important seismic shakeup in the israeli government. benny gantz, one of the three core members of israel s war cabinet and vitamin netanyahu s top clinical rival has resigned. in a press conference today, he said, quote, netanyahu prevents us from moving forward to real victory and accused his far right coalition of prioritizing political considerations over war strategy. last month, gantz gave netanyahu an ultimatum, present a plan for the day after the war in gaza, by june 8th, or else. it was one of the most visible signs of division within the emergency wartime government, a team of political rivals who had until recently projected unity. but netanyahu has not produced a plan for gaza s future beyond rejecting a two state solution and insisting on israel s long- term security oversight over gaza and the west bank. so gantz followed through on his threat to step down, delayed by one day due to the brutal israeli attack to rescue hostages in gaza. today, netanyahu, for a second time, publicly urged gantz to stay, posting on x, quote, israel is in an x essential war on several fronts. benny, this is not the time to abandon a campaign. this is a time to join forces. with gantz s resignation, it will not merely think netanyahu s government but it does mean that he now needs the far right members of his coalition more than ever to stay in power. already, the national security minister highly controversial figure, ben-gvir, one of israel s most radical nationalists and is now demanding a seat in the war cabinet. he is saying he was the power of his party to be given expression and not as it has been until now. gantz was asked today whether his resignation leaves the israeli government without any adults in the room. here is what he said. i was very privileged together with my friends to bring to the cabinet room all the experience we have. i know that the other people, mainly off-balance and they know it should be done hopefully they will stick to what should be done, and it will be okay. this is the biggest shakeup to israel s leadership since october 7, and comes at a critical moment in the war. a comp room hostage deal is on the table right now. the world is waiting for a response from hamas, but it is not clear if israel will also accept the terms outlined by president biden. netanyahu says there are gaps between the proposal biden described and the one he approved, and even ministers like ben-gvir have rejected it. netanyahu will make his case for what he describes as israel s just war when he comes to speak before the u.s. congress. we must ask, will gantz s departure result in real fundamental change for the war in gaza? the problem does not lie singularly with netanyahu but with israel s ideological and institutional approach to the palestinian issue, largely speaking. the policies preventing, for example, palestinian statehood and liberation are deeply entrenched in israeli society and the resignation from one so- called moderate cabinet minister will not necessarily change that. joining me now to discuss this ambassador alan pincus, the formal israeli consul general in new york and chief of staff are four is really foreign ministers and eastern africa studies on the council of foreign relations. he is also the offer of the book, the end of ambition, america s past, present, and future in the middle east. gentlemen, it is great to have both of you with us. ambassador, i will start with you and get your take on this is recognition. does any gantz is recognition change anything about how israel conducts this war in gaza or these talks for a cease- fire and hostage deal? high, good evening. it looks like a drama. it looks like a political earthquake. it is not but it does have the potential to evolve and do something very dramatic if mr. gantz resignation. which is according to most of his critics was related by at least five or six days months. to a large extent, any guest in decision-making and the cabinet was marginal. his ability to affect change in both the prosecution of the war and in developing and crafting a strategy for postwar in gaza was marginal. he essentially became an enabler. i think if you read stephen cook s article on foreign- policy yesterday, even the americans got him wrong in terms of thinking he is some centrist, even left of center. in terms of policy, he is a decent man. there is no malice there. he meant well when he joined the government. it was a time of emergency. effectively, he enabled netanyahu. he is complacent and he is an accomplice to every mistake, every strategic fluid assumption that this government made. now, in terms of how this will affect the war, it doesn t change the fundamental element, the fundamental parameters of what needs to be done. israel still faces a binary choice, except the plan or not except the plan. it sounds bizarre, i m in, netanyahu rejects israel s plan. it is like, you know. 1994. george orwell except that it is netanyahu s 2024. so in that respect, nothing changes as a result of his departure. stephen, there is an interesting element in his press conference, i should say, a fact that came out and that is he is honestly calling for new elections in israel this fall but that was somewhat echoed by chuck schumer here a couple of weeks ago. senate leader chuck schumer, the highest making jewish official american history demanding that netanyahu step aside and calling for early elections, as well. first of all, do you see that happening? what are the chances that the next reiteration of the israeli government does not move further to the right, if you do bring in somebody like ben-gvir or give more power to the more right of netanyahu elements in the government and society. there is pressure coming from the outside for a new elections, and certainly from within, from benny gantz. the other major figure in the opposition. but netanyahu, even with gantz s decision to leave the government has a solid majority in the knesset so he can stick it out as long as he has the support of his partners, the radical right. think of a. this government is likely to move further to the right, as a result. however, it is true, any gantz has played essentially a marginal role. now that you have ben-gvir demanding on a greater say in the war effort, that is likely to move things to the right in ways that are not good for the palestinians, obviously, and the israelis, as well. gantz poss resignation is actually quite puzzling to me and ways. if he is concerned with national security and israel, if he is concerned about the war effort, it strikes me that he would want to remain in the war cabinet and insert himself rather than take himself out and let the country continue its march to the right. and who knows what will happen. ben-gvir and most of us want to resettle the gaza strip. that is an ultimate disaster so it may be that gantz thought he could save himself but fight for another day and improve his political chances. but it leads to a suboptimal outcome for everybody else. what does that mean, stephen, for the united states in the situation? you got the secretary of state, antony blinken now heading to the region for the eighth time since october 7th. they are on the cusp of waking up to an israeli government that is more extreme and, as you just said, potentially calling for the resettling, the full reoccupation of gaza and the displacement, perhaps, of the palestinians. if you do bring in people, or not bring in, but to give people like into mark ben-gvir more power over the conduct of this war and gaza policy. i was perhaps the least optimistic person in washington when it came to a cease-fire anyways. and i am even less optimistic about this. there is no basis for agreement at this point. unfortunately, it seems, after all this terrible bloodshed, that the conflict is not yet ripe for a resolution and secretary of state tony blinken is going to find the same problems that he found on his previous trips. ambassador, your thoughts on what america should do now? as you probably heard my previous hours, spoke to former u.s. army major who resigned saying that america actually does have a lot of leverage over israel. perhaps more so than any other country in the region. he needs to step up and exerted to change course. as a diplomat, former diplomat, i should say. what you think america should do now as it sees this israeli government, and even just consistently moved to the right and to the extreme right with no fundamental change in policy, vis-@-vis the palestinians? in president biden s credit, to president biden s credit. he warned mr. netanyahu, the government was informed that this is an extremist government and then when mr. netanyahu instigated a constitutional coup in january of 23, it was followed by biden not refraining from inviting him to washington, to the white house for nine full months, and then the war rocha, et cetera, et cetera. so yes, the u.s. has all kinds of levers that it can use. it chose, until now, not to use them. and i heard your interview with major, and you made actually, you presented, submitted two premises, and you are right on both. both has letters and chooses not to use them, and, to a large extent, most of its lovers, because mr. netanyahu has been entranced and defiant and is actually seeking confrontation with biden. his plan right now is to try and stall and waste time and wait until america is sucked into its election cycle, full force. around september. and then he hopes that mr. trump will be elected. there is no question and there is no doubt about that. what the u.s. needs to do now is one of two things. it needs to do its basic calculus of how much our american interests being sergeant here. and that pertains to a possible escalation in lebanon and direct feed, rather than what the palestinians or pull out, meaning, you know, say to mr. netanyahu, do what ever the hell you want, but leave us out. which is obviously not a reasonable or realistic option. but what they can do. i know we don t have time. the u.s. can do and has not done until now is for president biden, not anyone else, not secretary of state link in, not national security advisor sullivan. for biden himself, for the president himself to stand out, stand up, and make a speech differentiating, drawing a distinction, a clear distinction between israel and mr. netanyahu and calling mr. netanyahu s bluff, if he believes that is going to be a blow. i don t know. will have to wait and see if the president is watching this, maybe he will heed your advice. ambassador, i noticed very late in israel. thank you so much for staying up for us. i really appreciate it. we appreciate it. we greatly appreciated. stephen cook, great to see you, as well. my friend, congratulations on the book next up, why a man dressed up as an exterminator started a hateful conspiracy theory that is spreading like wildfire ahead of november s election, then later on, caitlin clark left off with team usa. was she snubbed? 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first, thanks for having me on. i think it is right on target. what we saw after january 6th, 2021 was a period of time where you know, extremists kind of went into a short period of trying to regroup obviously the arrests and prosecutions had some substantial impacts on that world. but arrests and prosecutions aren t enough, and when you re not dealing with the root causes of the problem, these groups are able to kind of essentially regroup and then re- emerge even stronger. and i think that is exactly what we are seeing and what the southern poverty law center is pointing to. how does conspiracy theories play into the activity and rise of hate groups right now thinking about the harassment we saw play out at a migrant shelter in san diego. what led people to the january 6th insurrection, how is it that these baseless theories are resonating so much with people on the far right driving them to make these both online and real-life threats, even things like pizza gates that we saw several years ago? and menus, conspiracy theories are kind of a defining feature of extremist hate groups. one of the things that they do that is so important for them is that they offer a bridge of sorts and that conspiracy theories can reach a much broader audience. of course, we saw that on january 6th, in terms of the attack on the u.s. capitol. lots of different sorts of folks that ended up showing up by the thousands at the capitol that day. you had the proud boys, you had the three presenters. oath keepers, neo nazis, neo- confederate, a lot of folks that weren t necessarily affiliated with those groups. one thing they had in common is they all believed in this conspiracy theory about the stolen election. and you know, these kind of ideas are really, provide people a special sense that they are aware of things that the average person isn t aware of, and provides them with this kind of special knowledge, secretive knowledge, special insight. it really goes along with the idea, the that extremist groups offer to their adherents, that you re a part of a special population, special culture, special country, special race, special religion that is different and, quite frankly, superior to other groups. when you look at this record number of anti-lgbtq+ and white nationalist groups in 2023, numbering 186 and 165 respectively, why are these groups specifically, in your opinion, growing so significantly as they have grown? has there m.o. shifted and having this kind of hatred towards the lgbtq+ community? that is 18 many hot button issues that these kind of groups are good at identifying and then targeting and really spending a lot of time directing disinformation towards and propaganda and really trying to highlight the supposedly dangerous and risk a so that go along with, from their perspective, these hot button issues. immigration has been one for years, as well. and frankly, right now, they have at their fingertips, some of the most powerful technology in human history, in terms of social media platforms and the problems that you mentioned, the root problems that we are really not addressing, social media platforms, the lack of regulation around those. that will certainly be one of them coupled with national leadership that is helping essentially espouse some of the same ideas using literally, in the case of donald trump, the language of nazi germany to help promote these ideas. so they had these megaphones, whether it is national leaders or social media platforms at their disposal, that really empower them to a substantial extent. do you think that we have the adequate legal tools to take on these organizations x when you think about, as you were just mentioning, the issues of social media. it obviously rubs up against the issue of free speech in this country, that is always a find point when you re trying to go after these groups, he almost kind of have to wait until the free speech becomes actionable and they go out and carry out some kind of attack or potential violence. at which point it violates the law but up until the point of actually doing something about it, it falls, some would argue, under free speech. we have the legal tools the way that we have designated foreign terrorist organizations to go after isis and what have you? do we have enough adequate resources and tools to go after domestic terrorist organizations? i think we do have, i don t think a new statute is the answer, per se. i do think essentially utilizing resources that we have, being more aggressive, understanding that arresting and prosecuting is an important part of it, it is a necessary part of it but it is honestly not the only part of it. and then a civil issue, in terms of talk about the law. i do think that it needs some changes in that realm as it relates to social media platforms and being able to hold them more civilly accountable for the material that they are publishing and, of course, that means congressional changes to section 230. and i do think it is clear that social media platforms are not willing to take the kind of aggressive actions that are necessary to essentially cleanup their platforms. all right, professor pete sent me, it is a pleasure, thank you so much for joining us. i greatly appreciate your insights. thanks for having me. next, families are still being separated at the southern border. and why. and why. the best way to solve a problem is to keep it from happening. 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[sfx] ambient / laughing. last october, a peruvian family was taken into border patrol custody in the san diego area, during the process the parents were separated from their 18-month-old son, then released without him, according to a report from prison. if it wasn t for several military organizations that stepped in to help, that family may have never been reunited. they were able to track the boys whereabouts to a detention center hundreds of miles away, in texas. according to this february reporting from prison, legal advocates have accounted for at least 1000 instances of family separation across san diego county under this tactic known as street release, where migrants in custody are released without resources or shelter. at the start of his presidency, joe biden officially rescinded trumps zero-tolerance policy in the reunification task force that, according to dhs, has reunified 795 children with their parents, as of march. but despite those efforts, families are still being separated under a president who campaigned on a humane approach to immigration and strongly denounced the policies of his predecessor. now despite that, biden has signed an executive order this past week that drastically curtails humanitarian right to seek asylum. joining me now to discuss this, and more, is president and ceo of global refuge and a former policy director on the obama admin, and msnbc contributor who has done a lot of reporting on this and many other issues. it is great to have both of you with us. i will start with you, under a settlement reached in december with the families who were separated under the trump administration, border officials can still separate families in limited circumstances, such as if an adult poses a danger to a child or to national security. that didn t appear to be the case with the family that we just mentioned. to what do you oh these types of policies still taking place today? i think most people would be hearing about this now and still be shocked that this policy is still happening in this country? i think part of what we are seeing is a situation where policy does incentivize family separation. and that is true not just on u.s. soil but at the u.s.- mexico border, as well. when you think about even the new executive order, which exempts unaccompanied children, what that means is that a family that is fleeing for their lives, makes a possible choice of either allowing their children to travel unaccompanied across the border so that they can reach safety, or to remain in mexico obviously, families have experienced assault and far worse. in terms of the specific case that you are describing. i think this is where you know, there still some confusion on how policies are being implemented. we care for unaccompanied children and, obviously, it is horrific to see that even under this administration, we have echoes of what we saw as a real policy under president trump, which was essentially government sanctioned kidnapping. this report the site a difference between the family separations under trump versus biden, under trump federal immigration officials separated small children from their parents, whereas under biden, officials separated different family four nations, mainly parents and their adult children what does this say overall about our immigration system, specifically that these policies are continuing under a democratic president? is that just the result of vague policies and the lack of clarity as to how this should be implement it? or is it because there is something different at play here? i think what you re seeing is a biden administration that is falling into a political trap i do think we have to be very clear when we are talking about zero-tolerance, going back in history, that was such a dark chapter in our history, we had a trump administration that made decisions out of cruelty and made decisions out of the action of dehumanizing others. and here we have a biden administration that is falling into a political trap. over the last four years we have seen this admin that has made promises and that suddenly, it is shifting to the right. as you pointed out, ayman. i want to remember that the very very last week of the 2020 november election, the biden campaign released a video call separated. and in that video, just five days before everyone went out to vote, he specifically highlighted trumps zero policy initiative. he highlighted the cruelty. in here we are, just five months before the election, and as we have been discussing, he has been starting to sound and use language that does sort of remind us of donald trump. and at the end of the day, that is a political trap because the bottom line is, you cannot out trump trump when it comes to immigration and the border. what worked in 2020 was that humanity, as you described, anything that tries to shift to the right of donald trump is a failed political strategy. so to that point, krisher. makes a really good point with this flaming framing of a political trial when it comes to the issue of immigration. i do want to turn to biden s new executive order. any any time the seven day average of a legal border crossings reaches 2500 migrant entering the u.s. between legal ports of entry, with some exceptions, will be banned from claiming asylum and deported talk to me about how this is implemented. several department of homeland security officials responsible for carrying out the actions. on the condition of anonymity to msnbc, there is concern that the tension facilities across centers for migrants could quickly become overcrowded. what are you hearing about this and why? it is such an important question because for organizations like local refuge who work with asylum-seekers, the executive order raises a number of concerns. for one, there are very significant questions about its ultimate legality and enforceability. you know, the trump administration used the same authority to shut down the southern border and that was also really locked by federal courts. also raises some serious locations for asylum seeking families who are trying to seek protection because of these arbitrary numerical limits. i think the final important point is just understand that we know from trump era policies that were hard-line restrictions. they don t actually deter people from crossing the border. so we are perplexed by a policy that isn t going to actually be effective, that is harkening back to the trump administration, and i think it is a result of congressional inaction. but the administration could put in place a system that respects our border, but also respect our humanitarian and legal obligations. back in april, reported on how migrant women are being targeted by cartels as they wait and limbo at the mexican border to hear back about their asylum claims. i remember talking to you about it back then. how do you see biden s new order exacerbating this specific issue? i mean, as all of us know, the desperation isn t in there. what we are seeing is simply a more dangerous situation. what this means on the ground is that more families, their lives will be in the hands of the cartels. they will be held hostage. they will be exposed to sexual violence and sexual assault. many families will be sleeping in tent cities. many families will go hungry. many families will be repatriated to countries that are death sentences. many families will set a suddenly be staring into the united states at this time them, no matter the violence that they are facing, no matter the inhumanity, no matter the cruelty. no matter how many attempts there are by the cartels to end their lives, in this country, or try to make it harder for them to seek asylum. we all know that that desperation will only mean that these families will literally put their lives in the hands of the cartels to find other routes to cross into this country. that is what we are facing. a troubling situation for every one involved. thank you so much for the both of you, greatly appreciated. coming up, far right extremism spreads across israel, sanctioned by one of the country s top government officials. i have type 2 diabetes, but i manage it well jardiance! it s a little pill with a big story to tell i take once-daily jardiance at each day s start! as time went on it was easy to see i m lowering my a1c! jardiance works twenty-four seven in your body to flush out some sugar. and for adults with type 2 diabetes and known heart disease, jardiance can lower the risk of cardiovascular death, too. serious side effects may include ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration that can lead to sudden worsening of kidney function, and genital yeast or urinary tract infections. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop jardiance and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection ketoacidosis, or an allergic reaction. you may have an increased risk for lower limb loss. call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of infection in your legs or feet. taking jardiance with a sulfonylurea or insulin may cause low blood sugar. jardiance is really swell the little pill with a big story to tell! it s never a good time for migraine, especially when i m on camera. that s why my go-to is nurtec odt. for the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults. it s the only migraine medication that helps treat & prevent, all in one. don t take if allergic to nurtec odt. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. people depend on me. without a migraine, i can be there for them. talk to your doctor about nurtec odt today. what tractor supply customers experience is personalized service. made possible by t-mobile for business. with t-mobile s reliable 5g business internet. employees get the information they need instantly. this is how business goes further with t-mobile for business. from pep in their step to shine in their coats, when people switch their dog s food to the farmer s dog, the effects can seem like magic. but there s no magic involved. 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anticipated games of the season, the first wnba clash between former college rivals, and now start rookies, angel rees and caitlin clark. the most notable moment came in the third quarter, when chicago sky guard kennedy carter hit checked caitlin clark before the ball is inbound, essentially pushing her to the floor your average fan but what a cheap shot, it is also the kind of hard lay one occasionally sees in pro sports. regardless, the incident sparked hot takes galore across the sports world. with many mostly male commentators calling on league officials to protect caitlin clark. other reactions were plainly inappropriate. espn host called mcafee called her, quote, a white b word. he later apologized. the chicago ran an editorial calling a hip check to sold. the median meltdown is part of what the atlantic dubs the one downside of gender equality in sports, a movement in women s basketball means more commentary from men who don t know what they re talking about. join me now to discuss this is the author of that piece, contributing writer for the l.a., jamel hill. it is great to have you on the show. you know, so much to unpack here. let me start with charles barkley and other male commentators who accused the wnba layers of being jealous of clark s popularity, the carter foul seems to have supercharged that view. what do you think that type of criticism gets wrong about how veterans are treating clark? well, one, thanks for having me on. one, i think a lot of them and who are commenting, they seem to come at the same time, forget about how they competed if they were former players in the way that charles barkley was , forget about how they commentate and frame a lot of the story lines that happen on the men s side, whereas when men challenge each other, when a new rookie comes in and there is some kind of. were, of course, you have want to see how misses person really who they say they are, it is often considered a competitive and natural part of the game. yet, with women, they seem to reduce their level of competitiveness to something that is very triggering, particularly when we are talking about a leak that a 70% black. they go with these code words, petty, jealousy. making it sound like we re talking about a real housewives reunion on bravo. this is not what this is, this is a competitive fire. and naturally, of course, when you are the talent, the generational talent that caitlin clark is, there s going to be a lot when you come to the next level. the women in the wnba are the escalators of the world at their sport. it is a reason why the olympic team has won seven gold medals in a row. it is a reason why they are 70 and three and they haven t lost a game since the 90s. where did the thing is women were coming from? this leak. if they re that good that would me naturally for any rookie, there s going to be a bit of a learning curve where they can understand the physicality and the way the game is played. it is very natural in men s sports when you go from college to the pros, that in college, you can t get away with in the pros. that is what makes it the pros. but the men who commentate seem to forget all of this when it comes to caitlin clark. you bring up an interesting point. i do want to ask you about that. there has been an obvious racial component to some of these debates. carter and angel rees, who were seen cheering after the foul are both black. and people are talking about that and explained that point how does race play into the media s explosive reactions to the story lines? will this is a collocated question, and a complicated answer. so let me go back and sum it up correctly. okay, again, the wnba is 70% black. so the face of the caitlin, they made out to be black. one of the tropes, and many of the tropes about the black women is that there confrontational, aggressive, petty, jealous, all the things. so when those traits are ascribed to women in general, when people want to talk competitively about women. i think, in this case, particularly sticks because you have that object of black versus white. let s be honest, another white player had done, it would not merely have been as inclusive as it was. because you have the dynamic of her and angel rees, a black player and a white layer having a personal rivalry, it becomes racially charged by the optics. i m old enough to remember when johnson, when they were college rivals came over to the pros. a lot of what people talked about then, how their talents are characterized was based off racial perceptions in this country of both of them. i don t know why people think that this wouldn t be alive and well in this rivalry, but it is. and angel rees has bore the brunt of a lot of this because she chose to, you know, sorta be confident about the level of play that she has when they were in college. and listen, i don t agree that she should have been clapping when kennedy carter took her down but at the same time, within the context of a broader rivalry. they took some cheap shots at each other, that s what happened. again, it is interesting how the same things that are celebrated, marketed, and that fans love on one side of the game, a totally different gender, they are suddenly clutching their pearls on the other side. i grew up a little bit in detroit. i know very well what a violent or tough basketball game looks like. but to ask you about something you brought up really quick. we are almost out of time, though. the debate that was parked this weekend about caitlin clark being left off the u.s. olympic rascal team. some describe it as a snub. she is still a rookie, though. she s a two-time nieces mentor winner. has not included the standout rookie before or any rookie is before, what is your reaction and do you agree with calling it a snub? i don t think it is a snub and i honestly wasn t surprised. i thought this months ago. i think she is going to have a pretty hard time making the team. and that is not about her ability. i think eventually caitlin clark, i think this is almost a guarantee. about the transition, she went from playing college ball to play in a professional league within a matter of weeks, when they were holding the child in their camp, she wasn t able to play in any of that. she has some international experience but not a lot. she is at a position where it is a little bit tougher because you are a guard a little bit on the slight side. she is adjusting to the physicality where the international level is more. it is a very successful team there is a lot of people that do not get on this team and work this time around. and so i think if we just take the caitlin clark nests away from it and people will probably better understand the decision. like you said, the women s team is the most dominant team in the sports. it is tough to break into at any level, let alone your rookie year. thank you so much, greatly appreciate having this conversation with you tonight appreciate you. 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land. what has he done to deserve to be president? is he inspiring, does he give great statesmanlike speeches, is he securing our country from enemies without and within. izzy building up her institutions, is he encouraging young people to embrace our country and learn our history and our principles? is he bringing peace and prosperity to the country? is he doing things about crime in the inner city that are effective, what the hell has this guy done throughout 50 years that has been positive for this country, nothing. nothing. i will see you next time on life liberty and levin . . trey: good evening and thank you for joining us i am trey gowdy. it is sunday night in america . revenge is the best served cold but should always be on the menu? we can have the stuff go one. when biden goes out, everyone says bye-bye and then he gets indicted two days later and they go after him, the country does not want that. they didn t want it with hilary clinton either. i want to bring the country together. trey: some republicans and right-wing commentators are openly calling for retribution. for what alvin bragg and fani willis and other prosecutors have done, some are encouraging republican prosecutors, present and future to target democrats with an eye for night. to be sure one spiritual leader noted an eye for night leaves the whole world blind but it also ruined your justice system which ruined your country, simply turning the other cheek the high road does not serve as a deterrent, what is the right response when you been wrong the left and the media would understand the origins of the anger. it s very hard to become president, less than 50 people have ever done it in to have a cloud placed over your presidency because law enforcement and intelligence officials did not like you and manufactured a russian influence fantasy by the dnc that is anger and retribution provoking, then trump was impeached twice which leads some to want impeachment for the current president in retaliation and trump was indicted before the grand jury including the case in new york that never would ve been brought against anyone else the media could have a law find effective what company. instead it exacerbates the problem rather than shun the likes of peter strzok or indy mccabe, john brennan, andrew wiseman and jim comey, the media hires them and gives them a platform in a paycheck for their bias and laughs at their double standard. if you look at the white house now it s hard to imagine two fbi agents, how did that happen. i sent them all. something i probably wouldn t have done or gotten away with in a more organized investigation more organized administration, the fbi wanted to send agents into the white house itself to interview the senior official and you would work through the white house counsel and discussions and approvals and who would be there and i thought it s early enough let s send a couple of guys over. trey: laughter at disparate treatment and treating republicans differently from democrats. laughter at unfairness. and you wonder why the victimize no longer value fairness as a virtue. here we are tempted to treat others as they have treated us rather than as we should ve been treated in the first instance. and yet we know fairness is an everlasting virtue, we know it stood the test of time in the cornerstone of any justice system worth having, what is the answer do we fight fire with fire or do we fight fire with water? righteous water, virtuous water as the prophet said letting justice roll down like water and righteousness like an ever flowing stream. so is it and i for nye or turn the other cheek or something in between? joining us guy benson fox news contributor host of the guy benson show and democrat strategist kevin walling. how should one fight real or perceived injustice by engaging in the same behavior and i for an eye or the prophet who wanted justice and righteousness to be an ever flowing stream what do you think retribution or righteousness. i would like to see the flames of unfairness extinguished with water i struggle to envision what that looks like under the scenario because time and time again donald trump we mentioned the russian collusion helps in 2016 and 2017 a cloud over his whole presidency they thought they had a beat that time, by 2020 they manufacturing the russian disinformation about hunter biden s laptop as you accurately described in new york for a lot of trump supporters that feels like one, 23 strikes in diffuse able to win the next election in spite of all of that i think there will be a concern on the left that there might be vengeance and a lot of people in the right saying the vengeance is earned for necessary. trey: kevin, the reason i like having you on i think you re a fair person even on issues upon which we disagree. i m not asking you if you agree with the anger i am asking if you understand it. i try to understand why the other side is angry even if i do not. i don t want to live in a country where this group is targeting back a real based on their political ideology, how do we get out of a real or perceived i for nye situation which we may be headed towards. i really appreciate what you just said. i fully understand the anger in the frustration. i don t think democrats in 2016 understood the anger and frustration not necessarily about donald trump of the grievances but about their stay in life, wages were up they were stuck in the same jobs for four years, the populist rage is donald trump selection in 2016. i double back to what you said an offset that there were four different grand jury s that have indicted t the president among these charges, we have got to somehow restore hope and faith in the judicial system of this country it was a injury of donald trump s appears that indicted him in each of in new york a jury of donald trump many of them have trump social and follow the president and support the president who ultimately decided against former president trump. i think what you seen from president biden with his son on trial this past week at least in his remarks from normandy with david mir when he sat down with him that he will abide with his ruling even if the jury votes to convict his own son and sentence his own son. and that he won t pardon his own son if it comes to that. i think that hopefully is the direction we can all agree on and work together to restore hope in the judicial system. trey: i actually don t think of the hunter biden case, i was a gun prosecutor, i would put him in drug court to be candid with everyone that puts me in the minority but i would put him in drug court, is hilary clinton that i think back on, kevin is correct the grand jury has indicted her but it s tough to get an indictment when you don t seek one. the way she was investigated is different from the way that donald trump or other republicans. i ve never heard of having witnesses sit in while you were interviewing, jim comey drafted his memo exonerating her months before he even talked to her. i worry about our justice sy system. guy, let me ask you a political question. i don t forget to solve the justice questions. we have three events the sentencing of donald trump, the debates coming up and his selection as a vice presidential running mate, which of the three do you think has the best chance of moving the needle polit politically. i m going to say the debates and i m not even sure about that, the obvious answer one would think under normal times or circumstances would be the felony convictions of one of the two candidates running for president that would be the bombshell that could change this race but i know it s early and i want to see the polling averages two or three weeks from now but the early indications including high profile high quality pulling suggest that that really hasn t moved the needle in terms of public opinion against donald trump. i m getting go with the debates but we will see this feels locked in stone to some extent in a house for months. trey: kevin, i owe you a question i ll pay you back some point in the future but i got way to caught up in the prophet amos, i apologize for that. you are taking us to church. my mom will be happy that i know the names of video the prophets. thank you both for joining us on a sunday nights. we will see you next time. both sides think the academy is a winning issue for them but they both cannot be right can they? kevin o leary is us thse ae anss next on sunday night in america . because advil targets pain at the source of inflammation. so for faster pain relief, advil the pain away. when we say it ll be on time, they expect it to be on time. turn shipping to your advantage. keep those expectations with reliable ground shipping. thanks brandon. with usps ground advantage®. liberty mutual customized my car insurance and i saved hundreds. with all the money i saved i thought i d buy stilts. being so tall definitely has 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trey: the question is why, is it a lack of inventory or has inflation hit the housing market, more dramatically than other sectors. by the way how can both sides run on the academy this nov november. republican side inflation, democrats say the stock market hit record highs, who is right at trump tax cut are set to expire, the marginal wage of 37%, that does not include state, local or sales taxes. god asked for tempers and how much is enough or government. here to make sense fame to investor in o leary ventures chairman mr. kevin o leary, thank you for joining us, let s start with housing, what do you think is driving up the cost of buying a home. if you can scrape together the money or get a loan is real estate in your judgment a good investment? real estate has always been a good investment for 200 years and it s proven up over history. in the rapid increase in of the interest rates in the anticipation was has not come down only 12 months ago you are thinking seven great cuts in which not have appeared because inflation remains rampant and north of 3% housing is adjusted on simple equations to interest rates. and they are higher than they were in the market so seven, eight, 9% depending on your economic status and that s a lot more than 3.5% four years ago. that is why housing cost have been up 30 or 40%, it s really hard to see the change, i m not sure that s going to change at all then we had the weird outcome of the pandemic where people moved away from metropolitan areas into areas where they wanted to live in better schools and everything else in it went way through the roof. it s a new america i digitized american housing is more expensive. trey: speaking of america we have an election coming up, early voting starts pretty soon, it s rare to see both parties running on the same issue but democrats site jobs numbers in the market hitting 40000 and republican side inflation in the general sense that all is not well in the market may be on a sugar high, which side has the more compelling argument when it comes to the economy. it doesn t matter who you are or what party you re associated with when you re the in cabinet in dealing with inflation. inflation is a simple equation, there are three aspects that really hurt you at the voting poll in its energy on transportation, that is oil and gas, is housing that we just talked about, then it is food in minutes chicken, fish, steak does have not gone down in value since the pandemic, there up 38% and your cna change the lives of fast food restaurants and everything else in those three actions are not good for the incumbent. inflation is never good. it having been repaired over the next four and half months i don t think so. we have inflation that is north of 30% when it has to be to, that is their mandate, it s really sticky in food prices that s where people go to the grocery store every two days and say this piece of chicken is worth 40% more than it was 36 months ago not hurts of the p poll. trey: for future president were to call you and say we can never tax our way out of this deficit there has to be a reduction in spending but neither side wants to talk about that. what is the right kind of mix of more revenue versus spending cuts or should we abandon the notion of a balanced budget, it s a fools goal to have that we can have a balanced budget in mind in your lifetime. that s a great question, here s the answer, 1974 in 1975 were getting given example to countries that solve this problem, canada was one in norway was the other, they did a different path, that massive energy reserves in there is a reserve in america with and warmer one of the largest oils on earth untapped, unused. what the canadians did they put a royalty on it same time as norwegians but those norwegians put into the law the all the royalties they charge the lawyer hundred royalty per barrel, every dollar of that had to be spent reducing deficit the canadians did not do that they let the government spend any way that they wanted to and governments waste money and they sponsor their wealth. if you look today kid of the verses norway it s one of the highest in-depth per capita nations on earth, norway are winners, and war is what s going to solve this problem. trey: mr. kevin o leary taken a ce conch class i wish i would ve had you on college i would had a better portfolio than what i have right now, thank you for joining us on a sunday night. up next another high-profile criminal trial, guns, drugs, girlfriends and hunter biden. all that next on sunday night in america . for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. a test or approve a medication. we didn t have to worry about any of those things thanks to the donations. and our family is forever grateful because it s completely changed our lives. we re here with chris counahan of our local leaffilter. so chris, tell us how leaffilter is different from every other gutter 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right party in france, germany austria and belgium making big gains in the parliamentary election that projected wrench president and manual macron to dissolve his country s parliament and call for snap elections. and belgium s prime minister resigned after his party suffered defeat, millions of europeans have been casting ballots this week and what of the world s biggest democratics elections, the flow comes at a pivotal moment that you which is grappling with a range of issues from wars in ukraine and gaza and immigration and climate change. closing arguments expected, hunter biden federal gun trial defense is trying to decide if they will call the president son to testify when the trial resumes tomorrow, prosecutors rested their case friday but it could call a rebuttal witness if hunter takes the stand. i m ashley strohmier, back to you in sunday night in america . trey: welcome back to sunday night in america . hunter biden is on trial for two things, lying on an application to buy a gun and possessing the gun while being an addict or unlawful user of the controlled substance. lying and buying cases are common, so to our cases against convicted felons. how many people have been prosecuted under this unlawful user or addict section of the gun law. for that matter how many people are being prosecuted for being mentally ill and possessing a gun or being illegally possessing account, i m all for enforcing the law, i prosecuted federal gun cases for six years. but i m also for fairness, donald trump was prosecuted on a manufactured felony because he was donald trump. the evidence is overwhelming that hunter biden was an addict and a user of cocaine base when he applied to purchase the gun, it s not a hard case for prosecutors to win. would drug court be a better outcome than prison, joining us two of my favorite legal minds constitutional lawyer mark smith and former u.s. attorney brett tolman. this case has me thinking if hunter biden had gone to a friend were neighbor to buy a gun there would be no federal form to fill out because private sales don t require sfl forms or background checks. two of the charges went to a licensed dealer and not a private person but the possession count would hold regardless because addicts can t possess firearms, is that right? you are right and this is a case, i m not sure in a vacuum that this case gets brought, you have the justice department being shamed into a case of the swirling obligations of what was discovered on the laptop. in the lesser of the evils that it can bring. i think they are refusing to open a legitimate investigation into what the irs whistleblowers are revealing, the hunter biden corruption that included his family and most likely his father all of that was thrown other the rug because they can go forward with this case and they could do exactly what many are saying they are fair and impartial justice system in the lesser of evils to avoid the real work that should ve been done in this case. trey: i m not a second amended absolutist, some of the gop are including candidates that ran for the nomination. i don t think convicted murderers should take fully automatic machine guns and kindergarten classes for some of my former colleagues believe there should be no restrictions on the second amendment, are there constitutional issues with parts of her federal firearms laws including this one being used in the biden case. absolutely considerable constitutional question with a large cloth of the federal gun control laws in the hunter biden case, the question is to what degree do individuals that use illegal drugs allowed to possess firearms, the supreme court is working their way through the case law as you know and right now we case before it that s going to speak to this issue. i think at the end of the day where the supreme court will wind up as to who can be disarmed. if you are established to be a violent threat of physically violent threat to herself or to others you can be disarmed, the question in the hunter biden constitutionally if you are a user of drugs but you do have any indication of physical violence, where on the spectrum does not fall are you a nonviolent felony that won t be disarmed i think ultimately or to a drug trafficker or a violent person who can be disarmed, i think the supreme court will need to figure out users of illegal substances fall on the spectrum we won t know that for a few years, this is a developing case law the supreme court has a lot to do in the good to be doing it for the next several years i guess. trey: i know brett knows this because he prosecuted them cocaine base, per se illegal. but value is also a controlled substance, so is lortab. , what kind of a defense to uc, i sat here and look at the case, no question he is a user no lawful user of cocaine base what is the defense other than jury nullification. this is an important point, in reality it s as close to a strict liability crime as you can get, it s not a difficult case why are they taking it to trial, they feel they can notify the jury, the arguments are going to be to get one or two jurors to appeal to their bias if they have some or their political interest, that is why you see joe biden flying back and going to the courtroom as soon as she can. i think the hope that the counting on somewhat in the jury that will be willing to convict hunter. trey: i want to play a little bit of a sound from the president and get you to react to the other side. as we sit here in normandy, your son hunter is on trial and i know you cannot speak about an ongoing federal prosecution, let me ask you will you accept the jury s outcome, the verdict no matter what it is. you. have you ruled out a pardon for your son. yes. most of us would serve prison sentence for our children, he said he would not pardon his son and i m thinking there is controversial pardons since the beginning of time, why not pardon both of your son and donald trump, make everybody happy or unhappy, he was pretty quick on the no. my wife would want me to hesitate a little bit on that question if it was one of my kids. i think joe biden is going to pardon his son hunter biden but i think there is other reasons why you may want to do that if you joe biden not just the fact that he s your son but if you think about it there has been questioned about joe biden s behavior in the past and some of the alleged business dealings and the like and one can see a scenario where joe biden pardons hunter biden and associates associated with hunter biden in various ways so they don t turn state evidence against joe bi biden, one never knows how to any legal investigation goes but i think joe biden has a reason to pardon hunter biden hunter biden s associates not because of the family relationship other self-interested reasons. trey: who would ve ever guessed when we were sitting in law school that we will be discussing the intersection of law and presidential politics. i m glad you guys paid attention but i did not, i wish i could go back to that class in law school, thank you for joining us on a sunday night to the both of you. coming up, benjamin netanyahu will appear before a joint session of congress and already some democrats are plotting their protest while his cease-fire remains on the table on the g7 summit, benjamin netanyahu spokesperson and senator joni ernst on what s next for israel and the middlevs east and the united states, heaf on sunday night in america i g and starving myself just didn t work. what appealed to me about golo was that it focused on losing fat weight and maintaining my muscle. the golo plan and release has given me back my metabolism. golo has shown me how to lose the weight and keep it off. i will never gain the weight back again thanks to golo. switch to shopify and sell smarter at every stage of your business. take full control of your brand with your own custom store. scale faster with tools that let you manage every sale 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who will appear openly hostile towards the jewish state, some calling for regime change in israel which is rich since they haven t called for russia, iran or north korea to replace their leaders. , what will benjamin netanyahu say, what should he say, will he do a better job of really undergoing american politics and some democrats have done in ignoring israeli politics. are we closer to his cease-fire? is biden still pressuring israel to withdraw as histology and hostages remain kidnapped, tal heinrich is the spokesperson for the israeli prime minister and she joins us now. welcome, hamas to the south, has bullet to the south and american politicians calling for regime change, challenging times for the nation of israel. these are challenging times, thank you for having me on a matching list, and over a hundred overlooked aspect people tend to forget that this is not just a war between us and hamas iranian proxy in gaza we also have palestinian islamic jihad in gaza and we had constant terror attacks from emerging from the west bank from samaria just a few days ago we had missiles from the red sea targeting her territory with the houthis and other iranian proxy and thank you for mentioning hezbollah. notice this number since the beginning of the war on october 7, we have had more than 17000, 500 missiles combined targeting our territory from both north and south, hezbollah and hamas. we had 61000 residents to the north who are unable to the state for more than eight months to return to their home because of hezbollah over the past week we had to fight fires in the north and for more nine hours explosive drones targeting our communities and injuries and damage and whatnot. the prime minister took a tour of the north with the idea and there was a security assessment a few days ago and he said very clearly, one way or another we will restore security in the north, it is up to hezbollah to decide if it s going to be a diplomatic way or the military way. trey: congress has changed a lot in the time since i ve been there. i don t think prime minister benjamin netanyahu has forgiven he s going to avoid american politics and focus on what he focused on last time, israel is unique only democracy in sc of theocracies and nondemocratic governments. that is my prediction, he will resist the temptation to insert himself into our politics even though democrats do not resist the temptation to insert themselves into israeli politics. i think you re right will find out when the prime minister gets here in late july and he will speak to the american people and the american congress for the overwhelming support that we have been receiving and this is not what you see on tv and what s been highlighted by the media and we get the american people stand by us and you guys hate terrorists and we hate terrorist and were fighting against. evil as president biden called hamas early on when he came to israel to stand by us in the country. the prime minister will speak the truth about this in a very, very war objectives as we defined them on day one of the war to bring all of our stolen people the hostages back home in the hamas terrorist regime as a governing body in the military wing and gaza to make sure the territory i should call it a territory will never pose a threat to us and never ever again, this is not changed since day one of the war, this is time for moral clarity in the prime minister will think the american people and remind everyone that we need america by our side in the moral global leadership. mentioned evil and hamas, there is a cease-fire and a moss is not going to accept israel and accept the jewish state in the region. to me as cease-fire gives them time to regroup and rearm. i will give you the last word on whether or not it is worth pursuing. i think there s something i need to highlight there is a difference between a temporary humanitarian pause in the fight for the release of hostages, something we facilitated back in november and agreed to do again and the notion of a permanent cease-fire that would leave hamas in power, that s not going to happen. trey: thank you tal heinrich, we will see in late july exactly what prime minister benjamin netanyahu says as he addresses a joint session of congress, thank you for joining us on a sunday night. trey: president biden heads to italy for the g7 summit where a full agenda awaits. his cease-fire in the middle east will be discussed even as hamas holds israeli hostages. ukraine defies odd but needs more and better weapons, iran has a new leader in north korea is acting like a petulant child once again. joy did as iowa senator joni ernst who served our country in uniform and now serves on the senate armed services committee, welcome senator it s wonderful to see you again i guess we will start with israel stunning number of american politicians who called for regime change in newsreel even in the midst of war with hamas, what do you make a president biden s handling of this war and the impact of domestic politics on his decision-making. thank you, remember when october 7 happen shortly after that president biden said we had an ironclad commitment to israel, that is faltering over the months and it s very unfortunate to see not only as president joe biden waffling in attempting to tell israel how they should or shouldn t run their war but now we see a number of the other democrats serving in the halls of congress and following the lead by waffling and some of them outright pushing against israel and protesting supporting the palestinians and hamas. it s a really unfortunate situation to be in and israel is her closest friend in ally in the middle east. trey: a gop member of the house, just one but a gop member question if they should remain part of nato which is especially curious thing to say as we celebrate the day when the forces of good join hands to defeat the axis of evil, in your judgment what is the status of nato and with russia s continuing war against ukraine. you know me and most folks know where i stand on this issue i think nato has a role in the world but what we can do as america and as a world leader is encourager nato partners to do much more, they need to make their two requirement of spending on defense were their own countries of their own gdp. we need to push on them to do much more, this is something that president trump had engaged in when he was in the white house and was very successful at that getting our nato allies and friends to stand up and do more, joe biden has left a number of them wondering where is american leadership, this is why we need a change in the white house. nato does have a role to play especially as we see were continuing in europe, we cannot allow it to pervasively push all the crossed europe and threaten our national security in the united states of america. again i think nato is still valid under very relevant and very important to us today. trey: before i let you go, i have to get you to respond iran is going to have a new president he was killed in a helicopter crash, do you expect any change at all in the way that iran interfaces with the rest of the world. not such of a loss for any of us. i m not really mourning the loss of the leader in iran but i don t see any changes coming anytime soon. i think those in control and especially with the supreme leader in iran, he is going to pick and choose who he wants to follow racing, is not going to be good, i think we will continue to see iran in their nefarious actions all across the middle east and especially as they continue to chant death to america. this does not bode well for israel and certainly does not bode well for the united states, nor any of our partners. trey: i am afraid senator you are correct, thank you for your service to our country in uniform and your continuing service in the u.s. senate in joining us on a sunday night. great to be with you. trey: yes, ma am, you two. he s in the 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as the billionaire pop star s eras tour gets underway in scotland. welcome to business today. i m sally bundock. more now on the results in europe as the bloc s parliamentary elections come to a close. as you ve been hearing, we ve seen a surge on the right across the region. we ve seen a surge to the right across the region. in france, the strong showing for marine le pen s national rally triggering a snap election in france called late yesterday by president emmanuel macron. the outcome of these elections are of significance because the politicians in the european parliament will be agreeing on the bloc s budget and economic policies and its position on trade. the european union is the world s largest trading bloc the top trading partner for 80 countries worldwide. with 27 member countries and an integrated economy, it has a combined population of around 440 million people. that s a vast consumer base for its own producers and exporters around the world. let s hear now from rebecca christie, senior fellow at bruegel. good morning to you, rebecca. first of all, your reaction to the results? first of all, your reaction to the results? the situation in france is the results? the situation in france is shocking. - the results? the situation in france is shocking. not - the results? the situation in france is shocking. notjust| france is shocking. notjust that the national rally party came in with 32% of the vote, but that it was really twice that of emmanuel macron s renaissance party and that he called snap elections so soon after, because he felt he could not govern without a new mandate. not govern without a new mandate- not govern without a new mandate. ., ., , ., ~ mandate. so, what do you think drove voters mandate. so, what do you think drove voters to mandate. so, what do you think drove voters to the drove voters to the centre right and further right? was it about economics? cost of living crisis? the fact that people are feeling worse off at the moment? it’s that people are feeling worse off at the moment? off at the moment? it s very different. off at the moment? it s very different, country off at the moment? it s very different, country by - off at the moment? it s veryl different, country by country. you do see a lot of discontent with the status quo, and a feeling of frustration. in france, that turned out, as we just discussed. in hungary, for example, viktor orban s party is facing a challenge for the first time in recent memory. in germany, the centre right christian democratic union, which is a very mainstream party, did better than people might have expected. however, olaf scholz, the current chancellor his party did worse. so we re seeing just a general sense that folks would like to do something different. going forward, when it comes to the big decisions about the budget, for example, which is really controversial how much money each country puts in the pot what does this result mean for those kind of discussions and negotiations going forward? the discussions and negotiations going forward? going forward? the new parliament going forward? the new parliament will - going forward? the new parliament will probably going forward? the new i parliament will probably be more unpredictable, or even more unpredictable, or even more unpredictable and very fractious. i would expect different alliances to form on different alliances to form on different issues. the consensus on financial regulation will be different from that on, perhaps, environmental regulation and energy regulation. again, on the budget, as you say one of the big decisions coming up is whether the eu will continue to be a bond borrower the way it has been through the pandemic. and deciding what to do with the remains of this pandemic borrowing programme and whether to have another one after 2026 will be a huge deal. will be a huge deal. we ve mentioned will be a huge deal. we ve mentioned globally - will be a huge deal. we ve mentioned globally the . will be a huge deal. we vej mentioned globally the eu will be a huge deal. we ve - mentioned globally the eu bloc is the biggest trading bloc in the world. what does this mean in terms of its global position economically? in terms of its global position economically? the eu really has to balance economically? the eu really has to balance its economically? the eu really has to balance its relationship - to balance its relationship with china and also its relationship with washington. the us, of course, has its own elections coming up later this year that will be at least as much of an effect on that will have at least as much of an effect on what s going on in europe as the eu political situation. meanwhile, with china, we are expecting in the next week or so to get some news on how the eu is going to approach automobile tariffs. all of this sets the stage for a lot of debate about how open, how much trade, how is the eu going to de risk and not de couple, as they say? because the eu cannot afford to stop trading with china, but it also wants to protect itself. fik. wants to protect itself. 0k. interesting. wants to protect itself. 0k. interesting. thank - wants to protect itself. 0k. interesting. thank you - wants to protect itself. ok. interesting. thank you for your time. good to get your take this morning. seniorfigures from germany s governing coalition have reacted angrily to a speech by the chief executive of deutsche borse, theodor vymer. in it, he railed against the country s reputation amongst investors and said germany was on the path to becoming a developing country. the speech was delivered to the bavarian economic council in april, but surfaced on social media on friday. a leading social democrat told the financial times it was more beer tent than dax listed company executive, while a green party spokeswoman tweeted her irritation on x. here are some excerpts from that speech. translation: i know half the dax peeple translation: i know half the dax people here translation: i know half the dax people here personally i translation: | know half the | dax people here personally on a first name basis. i get around a lot. i don t want to spoil it tonight, but one thing is clear. our reputation has never been as bad as it is now. economically speaking, we are on the way to becoming a developing country. we re making ourselves small in front of brussels and berlin, the entrepreneurs. yes, and the americans tell me straight to my face, stop being a public economy that sits like a rabbit in front of a snake and demands that the snake bite. become a private economy like us. the difference is now that, in the usa, they say, we don t care which old man becomes president. our migration policy i don t want to get too political is seen by everyone as completely wrong. our focus on do gooders everyone as completely wrong. ourfocus on do gooders is not shared anywhere. economic migration means that, if you have a shortage of skilled workers, you bring in people who work, who speak your language, and generate social products. but not those who collect 50% of the citizens income and send it somewhere else. let s explore all that now with russ mould, investment director at aj bell. good morning to you, russ. good morninu. good morning to you, russ. good morning- this good morning to you, russ. good morning. this is good morning to you, russ. good morning. this is really good morning to you, russ. good morning. this is really come - morning. this is really come interesting morning. this is really come interesting that morning. this is really come interesting that this - morning. this is really come interesting that this comes i morning. this is really come l interesting that this comes to the fore now off the back of these parliamentary elections in europe, where actually things worked out quite differently for germany as well and for chancellor olaf scholz. - and for chancellor olaf scholz. ., ., - and for chancellor olaf scholz. . ., ., m scholz. yeah, i had a quick look on scholz. yeah, i had a quick look on x scholz. yeah, i had a quick look on x this scholz. yeah, i had a quick look on x this morning, . look on x this morning, formerly known as twitter, and it now has 470,000 views although only 13,000 of those who ve watched it have liked it, which is interesting in itself. it does raise some big issues. germany has been through geopolitical shock because of its dependence on russian oil and gas, which it s now had to wean itself off. its economically performed pretty poorly even in the first pandemic period. even the stock market one of its major companies is going through a mire in the courts, so you can see why there s a crisis of confidence. from an investment point of view, however, the german stock market is pretty much still at an all time high. i know vymer said it sjust because german trades are trading cheaply and it s like a junkjob, but international junk job, but international investors junkjob, but international investors still think, indeed, there is still something to look for in germany. he seemed to be venting look for in germany. he seemed to be venting a look for in germany. he seemed to be venting a lot look for in germany. he seemed to be venting a lot of to be venting a lot of frustration in this speech. i have heard other economists that i ve talked to, when they ve been talking about germany, talking about the fact that the lack of investment over time, and the fact that china is now really, when it comes to the car sector in terms of electric vehicles, in particular, taking so much ground, which is germany s most important market.? ground, which is germany s most important market. . . ? ground, which is germany s most important market. . . ? important market.? yeah - and what happens important market.? yeah - and what happens to important market.? yeah - and what happens to the important market.? yeah - and what happens to the internal- what happens to the internal combustion engine for germany is a huge issue. but a lot of theissues is a huge issue. but a lot of the issues that vymer is raising energy, tax, welfare spending, immigration it s a bit of a big echo of what we re hearing in the uk general election campaign where i m sitting right now. and it looks as if the uk s going to shift to the left, whereas europe is shifting to the right. again, there s a discontent with the status quo which we re hearing about. vymer talks about how america is uccing up a lot of investment, whereas germany s finding it hard to attract it. it s interesting that, on one half, he says we need interproblemers and need a smaller state. interproblemers and need a smallerstate. on interproblemers and need a smaller state. on the other hand, he s saying we need smaller subsidies. you can t have your cake and eat it too can t have everything at once. at the same time, it s coming on social media olaf scholz s party getting the worst ever result in the european election, coming third behind the far right alternative for germany. i mean, in his party, in his coalition, there s going to be a lot of naval gazing going on now, isn t there? i think the coalition overall is this sd/liberal/green coalition seems like it s a bit frozen in inaction at the moment, finding it difficult to get anything done. again, ithink it difficult to get anything done. again, i think that s probably part of the frustration that vymer is voicing. this loss of confidence just looking at the american economy, how that continues to surge ahead, is interesting. but remember, president biden is by no means certain to win this election in november that he s fighting, and discontent with the economy and discontent with the economy and inflation are two of the biggest hot button topics there as well. there seems to be a very, very common problem one that s notjust unique to germany, despite how frustrated vymer is. germany, despite how frustrated v mer is. ,, ., ~ germany, despite how frustrated v meris. ,, ., ,, vymer is. ok. russ. thank you. good to see vymer is. ok. russ. thank you. good to see you. vymer is. ok. russ. thank you. good to see you. see vymer is. ok. russ. thank you. good to see you. see you - vymer is. ok. russ. thank you. good to see you. see you again| good to see you. see you again soon. the global tech industry is gathering today for london tech week, with microsoft and ibm in attendance amongst investors and entrepreneurs. the event will look at the challenges of balancing ai innovation with regulation, along with the future of security and data. last month, a british firm called wayve raised over a billion dollars in funding to develop tech for self driving cars. that s the biggest known investment in a european ai company. but the most valuable ai firms are based in the us or china. last week, nvidia hit a valuation of $3 trillion. so, are london and the uk becoming more attractive for international ai investment? let s hear from one of the attendees, russ shaw, founder, tech london advocates & global tech advocates. good morning to you, russ. this is a really important event for you, in particular. given the chat a we just had with russ month old about what s happening here in europe and in london, there s so much concern about london, the london stock exchange, and how things are going for cheap. talk us through how, this week, london techis through how, this week, london tech is going to make a change? well, i ve heard that london tech week is this week. this is our 11th year doing it. it really gives a bit of a boost to the overall sector, the overall economy. you mentioned wayve our latest unicorn in terms of funding. we re going to have many companies represented this week. i think we have to step back and look at the uk tech ecosystem overall. we have over 150 tech unicorns by a number of metrics salary, the uk has the third largest tech system in the world. this week, we have nearly 45,000 attendees coming. last year, it was 30,000. we have over 100 being represented this week. there s a significant amount of interest notjust in london tech, but in uk tech overall and really getting behind this next generation of start ups and scale ups that are emerging. but we need to keep them as well, don t we? if we want to see companies really go above and beyond within the uk and across europe. it s all happening in california and in the far east, isn t it?- the far east, isn t it? yeah. we ve seen the far east, isn t it? yeah. we ve seen a the far east, isn t it? yeah. we ve seen a lot the far east, isn t it? yeah. we ve seen a lot of - the far east, isn t it? yeah. we ve seen a lot of listings| the far east, isn t it? yeah. i we ve seen a lot of listings on the nasdaq. we see a lot of growth in asia and asia pacific. but i think we re starting to see some very good growth coming from uk scaling businesses. i knowjulia businesses. i know julia hoggett businesses. i knowjulia hoggett will be one of our speakers this week talking about what the london stock exchange is planning to do to be more welcoming to the tech uniforms that we re seeing. i think there s a whole game plan being introduced in the coming months to talk about how competitive our public markets can be. so we have to look across the spectrum to make sure, from early stage through start up through scale up through the listings, that the uk market and the european markets are as competitive as the us. there s a lot of work to be done, don t get me wrong. but i think the innovation that s going to be showcased this week during london tech week, i hope, gives a bit of a confidence boost that a lot of great creativity, dynamism and innovation is happening right here. ~ , innovation is happening right here. ~ , ., here. 0k. well, it s good to chat to you here. 0k. well, it s good to chat to you again, - here. 0k. well, it s good to chat to you again, russ. - here. 0k. well, it s good to i chat to you again, russ. thank you. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. you re with business today. i m sally bundock. india s prime minister and leader of the bjp party, narenda modi, has been sworn in again for a third term in office this time leading a minority government. that s something he is not used to. let s cross live now to archana shukla in mumbai. archana, how have the indian markets been responding to the latest developments? it s the start of a new trading week. ~ ., ,, , .,, week. well, the markets opened on a muted week. well, the markets opened on a muted scale, week. well, the markets opened on a muted scale, but week. well, the markets opened on a muted scale, but on - week. well, the markets opened on a muted scale, but on the - on a muted scale, but on the positive side. from all the wild swings that we saw last week from record highs post exit polls to tuesday, when prime minister modi s party failed to win a clear majority on its own, the shock element subsided and the markets have actually been on an upward trajectory. investors have come back and market have erased all the losses they made on tuesday almost $400 billion worth of money was lost that day, but all of those losses have been erased. as prime minister modi and his council of ministers took oath yesterday, from the list of the council of ministers, it is evident that they are looking at a policy continuity and a majority of the council of ministers come from his own bjp party. and that is something that experts say markets would be comfortable with, because that shows a sense of continuity. but the wild swings that we saw last week is something that has been of a concern. opposition parties have raised that as a question that, should leaders be making statements, forward looking statements in the market remember, prime minister modi and his home minister, ahmet shah, did say markets would be impacted. thank you. in april, nigerian film star junior pope died when the boat he was travelling in from a film set capsized. an investigation found a number of safety failings, including the fact that the boat driver wasn t certified. hannah gelbart from the bbc s what in the world podcast has been speaking to nollywood actors and producers in lagos about the industry s safety record, and what needs to change. nollywood is booming but it s got a darker side. this is a cultural centre here in lagos, and what you can see around me are some of the remnants of a huge nollywood premiere that took place here last night. it had some of the top names in nigerian cinema. nollywood is one of the biggest film industries in the world it s up industries in the world it s up there with hollywood and india s bollywood. it puts out more than 2,500 films every single year. but recently, there have been some concerns over things like health and safety in its films. in april, top nollywood actor junior pope died in a boat accident. it capsized after hitting a canoe in a river, killing five people.- hitting a canoe in a river, killing five people. send a rescue boat! rescue boat! in this clip, filmed byjunior pope the day before he died, he s clearly concerned about his safety. an investigation found multiple failures the boat wasn t registered, its driver had no licence, and only one passenger was wearing a life jacket. that s because they d brought it onboard themselves. the bbc has obtained a now deleted video clip from the producer s instagram, where she says she was told there were life jackets, and junior pope was offered one, but didn t take it. actress and screenwriter ruth kadyri was a friend of junior pope s, and she was shocked by his passing. it junior pope s, and she was shocked by his passing. it was much more shocked by his passing. it was much more painful shocked by his passing. it was much more painfulfor- shocked by his passing. it was much more painfulfor me, i much more painfulfor me, because i have been in that exact situation before. so i understood the fear, everything he must have felt, at the last minute of his life. i had to shoot an epic movie, so we couldn t use life jackets. i asked everybody on the team if everything was ok. they said yes, the canoe was fine. so i got on the boat. action, they said. they started to paddle. it tumbled into this very big river. my colleague, frankincense, grabbed me cos i can t swim and stuff like that. it s. sighs it s an experience and a day that i will never forget. actor jud dk that i will never forget. actor judy dk says that i will never forget. actor judy dk says the that i will never forget. actor judy dk says the industry i that i will never forget. actor judy dk says the industry is l judy dk says the industry is learning from its mistakes. incidents have been quite low, but right now, it s better. i think the incident was a bit of a wake up call to everybody producers, directors, actors. actors, right now, we know we have to come home. we actors, right now, we know we have to come home. have to come home. we all do crazy things have to come home. we all do crazy things for have to come home. we all do crazy things for the have to come home. we all do crazy things for the love i have to come home. we all do crazy things for the love of i crazy things for the love of this crazy things for the love of thisjoh crazy things for the love of thisjob. coming home at 3am. things thisjob. coming home at 3am. things we thisjob. coming home at 3am. things we would not normally do. things we would not normally do our things we would not normally do. ourtiming for things we would not normally do. our timing for filming things we would not normally do. ourtiming forfilming is do. our timing for filming is insane do. ourtiming forfilming is insane. the industry agents should insane. the industry agents should have proper rest days. i also should have proper rest days. i also think should have proper rest days. i also think individuals should look also think individuals should look after themselves and just fix rest look after themselves and just fix rest days for themselves. as nollywood continues to thrive, the world will now be watching how it treats people who work there. the actors guild of nigeria said in a statement, afterjunior pope s death, that it has set up a committee to look into improving safety guidelines and protocols. it s been a long time coming. but taylor swift has finally brought her record breaking eras tour to the uk. an estimated 800,000 fans will put on their friendship bracelets on will put on their friendship bracelets and get ready to experience what some are calling the concert of a lifetime. but what about the economics behind the music? here s kate moore to break it down for us. taylor swift s eras tour is a culturaljuggernaut. with a run time of 3.5 hours and over 150 shows across five continents, it s generated global headlines and unprecedented demand for tickets. the figures are quite something. it s the highest grossing tour of all time, with over $1 billion in revenue. that sjust time, with over $1 billion in revenue. that s just from the first leg of the tour. some experts believe that it could generate $2 billion by the time it finishes in december. by the end of the run, taylor will have performed to 8 million ticket holders. one concert in seattle generated seismic activity equivalent to that of activity equivalent to that of a 2.3 magnitude earthquake. that s according to a professor at western washington university. the tour has coincided with a huge uptick in the body of taylor swift s work. she s released two new studio albums and re recorded two of her older albums, 1989 and speak now. she s the first billionaire in history where songwriting is the primary source of income. all this is combined to produce what some are calling the era of swiftonomics. i m joined now by a swiftonomics academic, megan wysocki, who s designed and written a course in the discipline at the american university in washington. do tell. . .! do do tell.! do you have a lot of students studying swiftonomics? ., ,, ., swiftonomics? thank you for havin: swiftonomics? thank you for having me swiftonomics? thank you for having me on. swiftonomics? thank you for having me on. yes, - swiftonomics? thank you for having me on. yes, we i swiftonomics? thank you for having me on. yes, we do. l swiftonomics? thank you for l having me on. yes, we do. we currently have about 50 students registered for the course and a waitlist that is just as long. course and a waitlist that is just as long- course and a waitlist that is just as long. and is it - what, three years just as long. and is it - what, three years study? just as long. and is it - what, three years study? what i just as long. and is it - what, three years study? what is i just as long. and is it - what, l three years study? what is it? so it s just a single class, an elective, in the overall major of economics. 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from, you know, streaming services and the portion of proceeds that artists received from their streams, all the way down to ticketmaster and ticket sales. she is truly, you know has truly, you know, cornered the industry and is placing her mark on it. industry and is placing her markon it. ., , ,, mark on it. but also, it s kind of on its mark on it. but also, it s kind of on its head, mark on it. but also, it s kind of on its head, isn t mark on it. but also, it s kind of on its head, isn t it? i of on its head, isn t it? because now, the tour, or the concerts the live events are sort of off the back of huge success, which is driven within the streaming sector, isn t it, really? isn t it, really? yeah. so she s continuously i isn t it, really? yeah. so she s continuously at i isn t it, really? yeah. so| she s continuously at the height of her career. i mean, taylor swift s last tour was, i m going to say, 2017. so we ve now had nine albums since then. she s only continued to grow. 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truly. it s i astonishing, when you think of how many people can fit into a single venue and how much money that amounts to. that s something we ll be exploring in the course, and really the point that i wanted to explore and make apparent to students is that economics all around us. we can be fans of taylor swift and fans of economics, and how these tours and shows impact everything from your tourism markets, hospitality, these labour industries, the amount of not only concertgoers to these shows, but every single person involved with putting on each and every one of these shows it s monumental. it of these shows - it s monumental.- of these shows - it s monumental. , monumental. it is indeed. and we are out monumental. it is indeed. and we are out of monumental. it is indeed. and we are out of time. monumental. it is indeed. and we are out of time. megan, i we are out of time. megan, thank you forjoining us. really interesting and fascinating. swiftonomics it s a thing! you can go and study swiftonomics. let s show you paris this morning as the sun rises: people across france are waking up people across france are waking up to the news that there ll be a snap parliamentary election just in a few weeks time. the announcement came late yesterday from president emmanuel macron. there is so much more analysis and detail on our website. stay with us here as we keep you up to date on bbc news. hello there. weather for the week ahead is perhaps not the story you want. no significant summer sunshine or warmth, i m afraid. in fact, the story in armagh on sunday really sets the scene just a high of ten degrees. we had cloudy skies with light rain or drizzle with a cool northerly wind as well. now, that rain is sinking its way steadily southwards and it will clear away from eastern england and south east england during monday morning. behind it, this northerly wind and this cooler air source starts to kick in across the country. so a rash of showers, a cold, brisk wind driving those showers in off exposed coasts and drifting their way steadily south across scotland and northern ireland as we go through the morning. here s our cloud and rain still lingering across east yorkshire, lincolnshire first thing showers in off exposed coasts and drifting their way steadily south across scotland and northern ireland as we go through the morning. here s our cloud and rain still lingering across east yorkshire, lincolnshire first thing in the morning, some heavier bursts that will ease away. best of any brighter skies, perhaps across southern england down to the south west. here, showers should be few and further between. but nevertheless, that wind direction still really digging in right across the country. so sunny spells, scattered showers, a brisk northwesterly wind for many, so temperatures just below par really for this time of year, a maximum of 10 15 degrees for most. we might see highs of 17 or 18 if we get some sunshine across south west england and wales. now, as we move out of monday into tuesday, the low pressure drifts off to scandinavia, high pressure builds. it should start to kill off some of the showers out to the west. but with those clearing skies, well, those temperatures will be below path through the night as well, low single figures for some, quite a chilly start to our tuesday morning. hopefully some sunshine around on tuesday. there will continue to be some showers, most frequent ones running down through central and eastern scotland and england. further west, some brighter skies and once again, highs of 17 degrees, but for many, just a maximum of 10 15 once again. moving out of tuesday into wednesday, winds will fall lighter still for a time, but there s another low pushing in and that will bring some wetter weather to close out the end of the working week. it will gradually start to change the wind direction. so, after a drier day on wednesday, it will turn that little bit milder, but also wetter as we head into the weekend. good morning, welcome to breakfast withjon kay and sally nugent. our headlines today. tributes to the much loved television presenter michael mosley after his body is found on a greek island. friends and colleagues describe him as a national treasure. a promise to recruit more gps and improve cancer survival rates. the liberal democrats put the nhs at the heart of their general election manifesto. a surge in support for the hard right in the european elections. french president emmanuel macron responds by calling a snap vote, holiday makers beware. a rise in online customer service scams targeting airline passengers. we ll show you how to spot a fake account to stay safe on social media. in sport, former liverpool and scotland centre back alan hansen is seriously ill. his club announced yesterday their former captain and three time european cup winner is currently in hospital. new laws make it compulsory to get your pet cat microchipped in england or face a fine of up to £500. no sign of some of this week, i m afraid. today part of england and wales starred wet and very windy. no sign of summer this week, i m afraid. it s monday, the 10th ofjune. our main story. tributes have been paid to the bbc broadcaster and author michael mosley, following his death whilst on holiday, at the age of 67. dr mosley disappeared whilst walking in extreme heat on the greek island of symi last wednesday, his body was later recovered
for me the for the people that came to help, it was really just all in a day s work situations like this really show everyone and certainly showed us in this instance just how much all of us out in the world depend on all of you and again, i want to thank the crew from medic 24 firefighter hayden campbell, firefighter, paramedic, atom iq, and fire inspector paramedic, kimberly booser, who helped bring gray into the world. i got to be reunited with them over the weekend and i also learned when i spoke to adam and his crew, they were just as happy as i was to have a friendly female face on that crew. thank you. to kim for taking charge because man, she did. we also do want to just take a moment to thank all of the first responders here in the district of columbia, but across the country that all of us trust with our lives every day, because you really have no idea when you might need to make that call and having those people on the other end of the line makes all the difference in the world. they are truly lifesavers, so thank you to all of them, thanks to our panel, thanks to all of you for joining us. i m kasie hunt. don t go anywhere. cnn news central starts right this morning. a former president meets with his probation officer, you wonder if james madison had that in mind when writing the constitution what can donald trump say that might impact? his sentence? tony blinken back in the middle east set to meet with the israeli prime minister just after the dramatic hostage rescue operation in gaza. and a key number of his war cabinet resigns and now the us is calling for a new un security council vote and back-to-back shark attacks does miles apart part off the coast of florida officials are now issuing a warning because of it. i m kate bolduan. would john berman, sarah sayyed is out. this is cnn news central morning something no former president has ever done donald trump will sit for a pre-sentencing interview with this probation officer. this interview will be part of the report the probation department will submit to judge juan were shot ahead of trump s sentencing on july 11, and for normal defendants it could be a significant factor in determining whether there will be present time. of course, donald trump is not a normal defendant. will this now cnn, chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst john miller jaume, we ve got some new information about how this will be similar and different to other meetings like this. so the normal process is that the probation officer sits with the defendant and in some cases, in this case, the defendant s lawyer and they go through a tick list. it s what is your home situation? du you live in a stable environment? do you have employment? can you get employment? are you suffering from any drug addiction? what is your criminal background as it violent in this case, donald trump is going to be different from a lot of defendants. in fact, the vast majority he lives in a triplex at the top of a building with his name on it. he has no criminal record. and yet like any other defendants, he does have multiple other open felony cases but as far as employment, drugs, and so on the question that they re trying to resolve at the probation department as a couple of things, but key to it is is he a good candidate for the community corrections environment in english, that means the prison correction environment, or being on probation without going to jail, but having to accept the conditions of probation. now, a lawyer present in bys zoo this will not be in-person and todd blanche will be there with donald trump. how unusual is that? is that what joe schmo, defendant normally gets? joe schmo defendant usually it comes down to see the probation officer, their probation officer wants to get a look at him or her, get a sense of that. but during covid, the system had to keep going. so virtual probation interviews became a thing. and this makes sense because he s in another city. you said probation here. what would probation exactly mean for donald trump so probation is if you are convicted of a crime and they say we re not going to incarcerate you, but we need to check up on you to make sure you re not going to re-offend or you re not re-offending parole is when you go to jail and they let you out early and they check on you after the fact. so this is an interesting thing. the manhattan district attorney, alvin bragg went to a lot of trouble to bring this case and to get this conviction. and he said in his controversial day one memo that he wants less people to go to jail especially in non and violent crimes, but he didn t single out white-collar crimes. so we don t know what they re going to ask for. and then very finally, john, this meeting will happen today well, we hear what comes out of it or how will we know what comes out of it? so technically we shouldn t hear what comes out of it the psr or the pre-sentencing report goes from the new york city department of probation to that state supreme court judge juan merchan. and it is to help him as he decides on the sentence, whether it s in jail or prison, or whether it s on probation. didn t what those conditions should be if it s probation, donald trump will probably have to check in with a probation officer once a month. sometimes once a week. he sounds more like a once a month candidate. and make sure he doesn t get arrested again, that s days out of trouble. john miller and education as always, thanks so much for being here this wall civics lesson really is no. i mean, all this stuff is new to me. donald trump will learn a lot about it today, no doubt, it s good that you don t know about. i appreciate that. so far yet, but the things john miller doesn t know. so we ll hunter biden, take the stand or are we now just hours away from closing arguments very soon, you could have that answer as hunter biden s trial gets back underway in delaware next hour, the president s don is facing multiple charges related to a 2018 drug purchase. he has pleaded not guilty. so where did things go now after what end? the week with the week ending last week with very dramatic and emotional testimony. marshall cohen is outside court for us. how soon do you expect to have that answer of where this really is headed and how fast march kate good morning. we should find out pretty soon because the proceedings resume here in wilmington, delaware at 8:10 and am just about one hour from now. and one of the first items on the agenda is to have an answer from the defense. they told the judge that they want wanted to take the weekend to think this over, figure out the final contours of their strategy. if hunter is going to take the stand in his own defense, or if they re going to rest their case to move on to closing arguments. now why might they want to do that? we ve always said it s unlikely and it would be incredibly risky. but before the trial, they said then some of their court filings that one of the things that they would want him to tell the jury if he decided to testify in his own defense was that he has been cleaned sober, and law abiding since 2019. kate, the jury is heard so much testimony about his rampant drug abuse, really painting him anyway sorry struggling and negative light they said, if he did testify, he would want to convey to the jurors directly that he s been cleaned for several years now, but of course, if he did testify, prosecutors could grill him and they said in filings that they would probably want to bring up his discharge from the navy ten years ago after a positive drug test and that they might try to attack his credibility by bringing up that in their view, he not only light on this gun for him, but he s also lied on his taxes. so a huge decision, it would be a risky move. we should find out in about one hour so then add it all up with the caveat of it s uncertain what we re going to hear right when court picks back up, but how soon could the jury have this case well, if he doesn t testify, then it s time for closing arguments. both sides will be able to give their final push to the jury on why they think they should get a conviction or an acquittal, then there s jury instructions as well from the judge educating the jurors, instructing them on the laws in this case. the elements of the alleged crimes and how they should conduct their deliberations. now, one of the things that the defense wants the judge to instruct the jury you re about today during those instructions, is what they call their theory of the case. the simplest, most straightforward reason why in their view, this trial should to end with three not guilty verdicts. and they told the judge that she should instruct the jury that hunter biden, quote, did not believe that he was either a drug user or addict at that time when he bought the gun and when he possessed the gun, they ve said all along that if he did not know, he was a drug addict, if he did not no, he was a user than he cannot be convicted of these crimes. so it could happen today, kate, it very likely will and i ll pick back up an hour from now. thank you, marshall. appreciate the reporting. still ahead for us secretary of state back in the middle east and about to meet with israeli prime minister prime minister now facing a new reality after that dramatic hostage rescue operation in gaza is quickly followed by a key resignation from his war cabinet. the test now for blinken ahead as we learn new details about that rescue operation. plus nvidia is one of the hottest stocks of the year of 144%. and now the major change hitting today the market s about to open and they ve woken a monster that is the new reaction from caitlin clark after learning, she will not be playing on the us olympic team in the most anticipated moment of this election. and the stakes couldn t the higher the president and the former president s one stage moderated by jake tapper and dana bash, the cnn presidential debates 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liebermann live in tel aviv this morning. what a tumultuous few days there aren t john, this was such a celebratory moment and it s still is after a major operation to rescue four israeli hostages from a densely populated area in gaza. but the israeli government itself is already fractured following that with prime minister benjamin netanyahu trying to thank gone to one of his war cabinet members who just quit the government hospital in central israel. they hug does if there was no tomorrow because for so long they feared there wouldn t be four israeli hostages were rescued from gaza in israeli operation on saturday after eight months of captivity among the rescued, one of the most well-known hostages, noa argamani, were united with her father here video from october 7 showed her pleading. were held as kidnappers drove her into gaza and you d like a shield that s her father. thanked he israeli military for the rest. but reunions like this remain all too rare. this is only the third successful israeli rescue operation since the war began. while elite media reunited with her son, almog, one day before her birthday yes. still androids and 20 hostages in gaza and this will be want a deal. now the daring daytime operation in the new sayyed refugee camp in central gaza lifted the spirits of a nation but unity was fleeting as anti-government protests demanded a deal to secure the release of the remaining hostages, and a ceasefire saudi on sunday war cabinet member benny gantz resigned from the government, accusing prime minister benjamin netanyahu of slow walking the war for his own political gain netanyahu vowed to keep pushing towards total victory over hamas the cost of which was once again apparent witnesses in gaza describe israel s operation as hell on earth inside a dense residential area with the crowds of mid-day positive juno an increasing bombardment started hitting everywhere something we never witnessed before maybe 150 rockets fell and less than ten minutes palestinians rushed the wounded to ambulances in this disturbing video, many, including women and children, bore the horrific scars of heavy bombardment. i ll aqsa martyrs hospital quickly filled with the injured, the dead next were eating people s remains. we pulled out six martyrs, all torn up. children and women the operation drew swift and severe international condemnation and hamas called it a massacre. the palestinian ministry of health in gaza says more than 270 were killed in the israeli strikes. 700 wounded which would make it one of the deadliest days for gaza in months. the idf disputes those numbers, saying it estimated the number of casualties was less than 100. cnn cannot independently verify these figures on sunday, national security adviser jake sullivan told cnn s dana bash that innocent people were tragically killed in this operation he called on hamas to accept a ceasefire. that s on the table right now. and the best way to end this war is for hamas to say yes to the deal president biden announced and that israel has accepted what s unclear now is how easy it is to accept this deal from israel sayyed with guns, quitting the government netanyahu has even more pressure from his far-right coalition partners who have threatened the dissolve the government if he accepts the ceasefire deal. so this is not at all an easy path forward as blinken expected to arrive here later on today, john. yeah, it will be interesting to see the impact of the hostage rescue combined with benny gantz leaving the war cabinet. the impact that will have on negotiating oren liebermann. terrific new details in that report. thank you so much so temperatures, so hot they could kill you, were millions of americans need to be extremely careful today and then a catastrophic failure that is what officials say after a large chunk of one of the country s most beautiful highways cracked and then collapsed in a landslide if you have chronic kidney disease, you can reduce the 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shark attacks in the united states over the weekend, three people were injured in two incidents in florida on friday and the men died in hawaii on saturday. this is what we know authority say a 39-year-old man died after what they describe as a shark encounter off the coast of maui, the first fatal attack in hawaii since a snorkel or die there in 2022, the day before, two separate attacks happened in florida in an area between destine and panama city beach in the span of less than 90 minutes and only about four months biles apart, according to authorities are 45-year-old woman suffered significant trauma to her midsection and pelvic area, as well as the amputation of her left lower arm. and the second attack, the victims were two girls between the ages of 15 and 17. the first victim suffered what officials described a significant injuries to one upper and one when lower extremity, both requiring the application of a tourniquet, the second victim has minor wounds to her right foot. one county officials said, what happened is both tragic and terrifying, but historically, shark attacks are exceedingly rare. they re highly unusual and it s extremely unusual for two to happen in the same afternoon when four miles of one another is the sheriff mentioned we re reaching out to us to speak to subject matter experts as to what may, you know, what may be causing that but golf temperatures, the steering current, whatever that is and you may remember that on may 28, there was another incident and galveston beach where a 19-year-old woman was bitten in her left hand by a shark, but survived as reported by cnn affiliate k prc on sunday, that south walton fire this strict in florida issued a warning on x, say the following. we are guests in the gulf. the post says, we all must accept some amount of risk when entering the water that does not take away from these two ladies whose lives are changed forever, but looking for someone to blame is not the answer. they said over the weekend, walton county officials were flying yellow and purple flags for moderate surf hazards and the precedence of dangerous marine life after what happened there friday, john, back to you. all right. rafael romo following this forest, raphael. thank you very much kate. now for eight months in captivity, four israeli hostages are now back home after a dramatic rescue operation. can saturday. and from ever all of everything we ve seen, it was overwhelming for the families of the four that were rescued. yet there are still believed to be 116 israeli hostages still being held captive in gaza today, meaning so many families are still left waiting one of those families is the family of abbe own abby s an american citizen who lives in israel five of her family were either killed or taken hostage in the hamas attacks two of her family, eight-year-old, carmella dan, and 13-year-old noa dan, you see them there. they were killed 12-year-old arrays and his sisters, 16-year-old. so har they were taken hostage and released in november. their father oh, fair calderon. he s still being held in gaza. an abbe on joins us now. abby, thank you for coming back on we ve talked so many times now in the last eight months, how does it feel today? we re how did it feel even on saturday getting the news that the four hostages were rescued and back safely and israel it was super emotional we were we were out. were outdoors with friends and family and we heard the news. and literally she started crying it s it was unmatched. it s unbelievable almost that it was real. and we thought for a second it was a rumor. and then we got confirmation and i think we just cried for hours because as much as we want the 116 for everyone s be home to know that for families will hold again, was amazing it s also now been eight months that ofer has been held hostage what is the latest, if anything, have you heard anything is he still believed to be alive he s believed to be alive. we are fighting to bring them home alive. look, last week was an emotional week it started off with four hostages being declared dead. three of them, amir, i m cooper, chaim peri, yoram metzger, from your odds and so it continues to be a living trauma for sauron areas for their mother, for all of our extended family to know that the people that are there or not safe, that every single day, every minute, every hour, it s urgent that we get an out of it. we get them home and seeing those four people, three of whom we ve seen in a video, alive to know that they were killed in captivity only makes this more urgent. and the fight for over more do allow yourself to feel disappointment when your heart also verse for joy for those families, just the pain of knowing that affairs was not among the four this time, how how do you deal with those feelings? it was it was this really intense moment because they said, it s no argamani and three men and i was like i just, you know, my whole body expanded and i was i was shocked because men are not the category of people that would be coming out in some sort of agreement. and so it was really, really surprising and ultimately you feel joy and happiness for anyone that comes out because it is in nightmare. it is a nightmare of eight months of 248 days for every single family member for the hostages, for anyone involved in this conflict. and we just know that if a hostages would be released, that any any of the challenges of this conflict would immediately be deflated. and that s our goal, is to make sure that every single one of them come home. and that this conflict ends you have made the point. i ve looked back at our conversations. i mean, you ve made the point in every conversation that we ve had to say that you don t want to see any deaths anymore, whether it be on the side of israel or amongst the people in gaza and how does that feel today okay. everything is devastating and heartbreaking. i have never in my life as an american or someone that lived in israel for the last decade i ve never lived through a war on the soil where i reside. and to know what happened, turn october 7, and to think about and appropriate response, there s no such thing but to know that the terror to happen them seventh or any of the deaths that have happened since are all unnecessary. there has to be a different way. and i just know the first step toward that solution is bringing the hostages home. i mean, i mourn every single leinz. there s no question. and i wish that our leaders, both in israel and the united states and around the world with steph, up even higher than they are now, and figure out a way to end this. this is something that cannot continue. now for family members, not for the rest of the world, not for the people who are suffering on the ground gaza, but the hostages and palestinians, it has to end president biden s national security adviser was asked what impact he thinks this rescue operations saturday will have on what we re talking about on the ceasefire negotiations with hamas. let me play for you. what jake sullivan said yesterday, api it s really hard to say, right now. it s hard to say how hamas will process this particular operation and what it will do to its determination about whether it will say yes or not. we have not gotten a formal answer from hamas i set this time even before the bigger impact on overall negotiations. i mean, just what does your gut tell you that you think that the rescue operation of these four hostages from the hands-off hamas will mean for oh, fair i hope if he hears that he feels some sort of hope that his army and its country are fighting for him but i truly believe that there has to be a negotiated agreement because this was a dangerous operation, because soldiers, for the hostages, and for anyone in the acidity. and we don t want to see more death. we want to see the 116 brought home with the minimum amount of death that s that s everyone s goal. they were taken from a party from their beds, from their homes. these are innocent civilians that should be brought home and the pressure in my opinion, needs to be on hamas to release them because if that pressure is big enough, then we get to a place where we can negotiate an agreement i feel so much joy that these four people are home, but i don t believe that putting our soldiers and hostages and other civilians in harm s way is a it s the best the best self forward abby. thank you so much. i m so thankful to see you again and i look forward to the de that we re talking about, the return of all fair thank you so much for coming on. it s going to happen thank you so much, john wright new comments this morning from caitlin clark, the star wnba rookie speaking for the first time after learning, she is not on the roster of the us olympic team competing in paris. cnn s coy wire is with us this morning. this was surprising. i think to people who maybe have just been introduced to the wnba this year yeah, john, there s no doubt about it. there are very strong opinions on both sides of this debate of whether or not caitlin clark should have made team usa for women s hoops many say it s a missed opportunity. the indiana fever phenom has helped shatter viewership and attendance records dating all the way back to her iowa hawkeyes college days. and now in, the, w, she s currently top 15 in the wnba and scoring nearly 17 points per game. she s coming off her best game as a pro scoring 30 points on friday. now, many others are saying that it s completely justifiable that she is not on this projected roster. take a look at this roster of four the 12th players have no previous olympic experience of those for each of them, or at least to time wnba all-stars, none of these players on this projected roster are under the age of 26. clark still just 22, says that being left off of this roster will only make her better listen yeah, they called me and let me know before everything came out, which was really respectful of them and i appreciated that they the same for ever go that made the team for every girl that didn t make the team. yeah, there s a lot of players in an olympic pool, so it wasn t like i was only when they had to call that a mccloud few calls. honestly, no disappointment. i think it just gives you something to work for you. it s a dream, you know, hopefully we can be there think it s just a little more motivation do you remember that? and, you know, hopefully in four years before you comes back around you and i can be there. she got the call on the bus and she texts me to let me know and i just tried to keep our spirits. i mean, the thing she said was, hey coach, they woke a monster, which i thought was awesome. they woke a monster john love that line of a us women are seeking an eighth straight gold at the olympics dating back to 1996, the olympics or just 46 days away, and other basketball news, john berman, celtics are to know nba finals against the dallas mavericks. i m convinced 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changing the fabric of our country. they are destroying our country in nevada is being turned into a dumping ground and you are the whole country she is being turned into a an absolute dumping ground. the illegal immigrants are turning and they re turning at a level that nobody s ever seen before. they re fighting. our families that some of donald trump s message to supporters at an nevada campaign rally yesterday. trump campaign has high hopes for the state that joe biden won and 2020 from the stage, trump focused on slamming biden s new executive action on border security, and he launched his own latino americans for trump coalition. there s also new cnn reporting that president joe biden is considering following his recent border move with a second move on immigration that could protect some undocumented spouses of us citizens from deportation cnn, steve contorno, arlette saenz, both working different angles of this for us. so steve, what more did you hear from donald trump yesterday well, it was a continued attack kate on joe biden s record and that has been central to his outreach to latino voters in black voters and other voters of color. essentially, that your life under trump presidency was better than it has been under joe biden. that is the central case that he is making to voters of, of every shot stripe and it s coming even as you hear that that dark rhetoric about immigration, trump is promising to deport millions of americans. and one of the largest deportation operations in the country s history, if he wins and yet he. is polling suggests that he continues to make headway with latino, spanish-speaking voters four years ago, joe biden won latino voters, handle these 65% of those voters, one for joe biden, trump just got 32%. now, you re seeing almost parody not only nationally, but he s battleground states like nevada and trump also did make a promise that will certainly affect a lot of latino workers who work in the culinary industry. he made a promise about what he would do with tipped wages if he wins. take a listen when i get to office, we are going to not charge taxes on tips, people making we re gonna do that right away. first taking office because it s been a point of contention for years and years and years. and you do a great job of service, should take care of people now, the culinary union that represents nevada workers are very powerful union put out a statement blasting this proposal. they said quotes nevada workers are smart enough to know the difference between real solutions while campaign promises of a convicted felon, kate that s quite a statement coming from the union right there. steve arlette, what are you learning then about this new reporting on another immigration move potentially by president biden okay. sources have told cnn that the biden administration is considering a new step that could potentially offer legal status to undocumented immigrants who are married to us citizens, officials are looking at an existing authority called parole in place, which would shield the certain groups of undocumented immigrants from deportation and allow them to stay in the country and worked at legally while some of them would be able to seek citizenship, it s expected that this could impact about 750,000 to 800,000 undocumented immigrants at this moment. and it comes as it could potentially appeal to latino voters in states like nevada, arizona, and georgia. but this also comes as the administration is trying to shore up support, not just with latinos, but also progressives and immigration advocates. many groups access frustration with president biden s executive action last week that essentially shut off the asylum process for undocumented immigrants are who are coming to the country illegally when a certain daily threshold hold is met, you ve heard progressives who said that that is similar to policies that were adopted adopted during the trump era, and groups like the aclu have threatened to sue the admin ministration to try to stop this over the weekend, a homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas defended the administration s moves. take a listen but i respectfully disagree with the aclu. i anticipate they will sue us. we stand by the legality of what we have done. we stand by the value proposition. it s not only a matter of securing the border, martha, we have a humanitarian obligation to keep vulnerable people out of the hands of exploitative smugglers now it all comes as president biden is really trying to address a politically vexing issue increasingly, immigration, border security has risen in the list of concerns for voters heading into 2024, you take a look at polling at many believed that trump has would have better policies than biden. but at the same time, the president is i m also trying to shore up with key parts of his constituency, constituencies are heading into that november election. are let thank you so much, steve contorno. thank you as well. john wright with us now, senior spokesperson and adviser to the biden campaign aide or an l rod. thank you so much for being with us. this proposal reported proposal out there to provide some kind of legal status for the undocumented spouses of us citizens. what would that be designed to do? who would that be designed to help? yeah well john i certainly don t want to get into the front of the white house s announcement on this. but what i will say is the following, president biden is how to take matters into his own hands. is president, because congress failed to act. the most historic bipartisan piece of legislation that we have seen in front of congress in over a decade was stopped because maga republicans list sent to their leader, donald trump, who said, i don t want to give joe biden president joe biden, uh, when i don t want to give him a political victory during a 2024 presidential campaign year so president biden has had to take matters into his own hands by issuing executive actions that will will, will, will improve the situation at the border because congress failed to act and congress failed to act again, not because of democrats, but because of maga, republicans. how does providing a legal status for undocumented spouses of us citizens? how does that help people help the situation at the border well, again, i don t want to get in front of the white house on this, but i what i will say is that it s important that the president shall leadership on this, which is what president biden is doing. you see donald trump on the campaign turnout, tell talking about the border, talking about the crisis at the border, blaming democrats when really democrats are the ones john, who want to get something done, where are the ones who worked with republicans across the aisle to negotiate a historic deal that republicans immediately shot down in congress could have easily pass both chambers. they wouldn t let it pass because donald trump said to speaker johnson and other republicans in congress, i don t want to give joe biden to win this cycle. so president biden is doing what he can. he s using every lever his disposal, which of course is, you know, john, when you re the president united states, you can do a lot, but you are somewhat limited in terms of what you can do without congress acting. so it s very important that president biden, you do what he can in the executive branch, but he also hopes that congress will act hello, to play some sound from before. one of donald trump s events in nevada yesterday. in its rhetoric from marjorie taylor greene and another republican supporter. and it s the type of thing that we have heard on the trail recently, which is almost messianic rhetoric concerning donald trump. listen to this oh president trump as a convicted felon what you want to know, something the man that i worship is also a convicted felon and he was murdered on a roman cross is sensitive park to worship and bring back the grid is present we ve ever known in our generation so what do you think when you hear rhetoric like that i don t even know what to think, john, i mean, look, i i m not going to speak for the american people, but i think that rhetoric speaks for itself. and what our focus is, john, on this campaign is made make sure that every single voter understands the contrast understands what is at stake that donald trump and his maga allies are focused on seeking revenge and retribution. they are running a negative campaign that is not focused on the american people, but it s focused on themselves. we are making sure that the american people understand that president joe biden in this fighting for them. he wants to continue his policies of lowering costs for families lowering prescription drug costs continuing his agenda of economic freedom. whereas are republicans are focusing, focusing on themselves and donald trump has made it very clear that if he steps back into the white house, he will rule as a dictator on day one. he will seek, you will use the white house to seek political are the engine retribution on his political enemies? he is said, things that, you know, he s, he s praised the third reich. he s used racist rhetoric at every chance that he has. president biden has delivered for the american people 15 million jobs record unemployment growth when it comes to latinos, in particular, at one point, john, when president donald trump was an office, there was 47% unemployment among latinos. joe biden has created over 4.8 million jobs for latinos. we want to make sure that every single voter, all latino voters, understand what s at stake and what president biden has delivered for them? adrian elrod, appreciate you being with us morning. thank you okay. more than 20 million people from california to arizona could be seeing triple digit or near triple-digit heat. let s get over to cnn s derek van dam tracking this one for us. derek, what are you looking at? yeah. kate, 30 is coming out of phoenix arizona warning that the high risk of heat stress or heat-related illness is present here in the city today, if you don t have access to adequate cooling or adequate hydration as well, they ve had 14 consecutive days where the mercury in the thermometer has climbed above one in hundred degrees and we have no relief really insight, especially this week, 20 million americans under some sort of heat alert, including heat warnings for vegas, sin city. it is sisley and their 11 consecutive days with temperatures above 100 degrees. this is the warmest start in the month of june for n
my guest is the renowned colombian novelist juan gabriel vasquez, who weaves powerful stories out of fact and fiction. is there anything magical about colombia s current reality? juan gabriel vasquez, welcome to hardtalk. thank you for having me. it s a pleasure to have you. now you inhabit two different intellectual worlds. you are a political commentator. it is yourjob to have instant, strong opinions for newspapers. on the other hand, you re also a novelist who writes complex, nuanced novels that are sort of riddled with doubt and uncertainty. which of these two mental attitudes comes more naturally to you? well, i m first and foremost a novelist. iwas. i began writing fiction at a very young age, and it was always my ideal to write the kind of novels that i had grown up with. but in south america, a novelist is also a citizen. and so you develop very quickly the need, the compulsion sometimes, the feeling of obligation to comment on the political reality. so in a sense, there are two different and opposite ethics. erm. you write fiction out of uncertainty and doubts and questions. novels are written to ask questions, not to give answers. but at the same time, you re a political commentator who tries to have certainties, who tries to shed doubts. are you faking it when you come up with those certainties for your columns? no, but there are few. there are very few, very few moments during the week in which you are absolutely sure about something and you write to convince, you write to do a kind of proselytism. you write to try to get answers. interestingly, you dig deep into your home country, colombia, and yet you spent a significant part of your adult life out of colombia. yes. would it be correct in a way to say that you became confident in your voice, you know, exploring your home country once you d left it? yes, yes, ithink that s quite accurate. in a sense, also, i was following a very old latin american tradition of leaving our countries to write about them, to understand them better. this is something that has been happening since, uh. ..since the nicaraguan poet ruben dario lived in paris and madrid in the early 20th century. and then, of course, the generation that i grew up as my role models, the latin american boom, and. and garcia, gabriel garcia marquez. ..garcia marquez, yes. ..perhaps the most famous south american author of our times. yeah, yeah. he belonged to a generation that wrote, that retold the history of our countries from abroad. so we have this very strange situation in south america where the best novel about colombia 100 years of solitude was written in mexico, and the best novel about peru by mario vargas llosa was written in paris, and carlos fuentes, the great mexican novelist, wrote in washington and london. so it is a kind of necessity, perhaps, that we find to, you know, get a little removed from the places that we are discussing. it s interesting to just reflect on garcia marquez, cos. yeah. i know it s become a bit of a cliche, but this this phrase used about his work and, indeed, 100 years of solitude was magical realism . you do something very different. yes. you use a lot of recent history, of facts, and you weave personal stories around those facts, and it s often quite brutal and it s quite violent and difficult. yes. was your writing a deliberate reaction against that sort of quote unquote magical realism ? no, no, my writing isjust the recognition that my world is different. my world view comes from a different place. i was born in a big capital city in the middle of the andes, so 2,600 metres over sea level. whereas garcia marquez was born in a very small town, caribbean town, with a very different culture and outlook. so his demons, his obsessions, his ghosts were quite different from mine. and you were also raised at a time of horrible violence, instability, chaos. yes. ..in your home city, bogota. yeah. i mean, did that. do you reflect on that and think, you know what, i was actually quite traumatised as a kid, as a young adult, by what was happening around me ? yes, well, when i left colombia in 1996, i was 23. i thought i was leaving because i wanted to become a certain kind of writer, and that was the latin american tradition. with time, i understood that i was also fleeing the violence. i was also fleeing a a particular situation. this was the years of drug wars and drug related terrorism. erm. narco traffickers like pablo escobar were at the height of their power as you were a teenager and a young adult. exactly, exactly. napoleon says somewhere that in order to understand a man, you have to understand his world when he was 20. and i turned 20 in 1993, which was the year in which pablo escobar died at the height of his threats to the colombian system. so that s that. do you, do you think, when you reflect on it and of course, i m mindful you were writing in europe about this colombia of corruption, of chaos, of violence do you think you were expressing in a way, a sort of deep fear and anger about what had happened to your homeland? frustration in a sense, but mainly mainly uncertainties, maybe mainly the feeling that the stories that were being told were not complete. i think i write out of a sense of darkness, of shadows in the collective story of my country, and i think of fiction as a way to shed some light, particularly, on that, on that very special place in which the historical meets private lives, in which private individuals, as brothers and sisters and lovers and fathers and siblings, they have. they suffer the consequences of politics and history and those forces that we have never learned quite how to, how to control, but that do change our lives. and this is the territory of our human experience that i try to tell in my novels. you call it fiction, but of course you fill your books with facts, sometimes very personal facts. yes. i mean, i m thinking of one of your most successful novels, the sound of things falling, which involves a plane crash. and in fact, you really did find, i think, the transcript of the recording of the last moments of a plane, which i believe was carrying a family friend, which crashed. that s right, yes. and you very literally took these horrific final moments and wrote about them. yes. you also included some other bizarre facts, like the hippo that escaped from pablo escobar s infamous zoo and which was then hunted down years later. and that was the beginning of your book. so i guess, you know, your audience might be sometimes quite confused about these blurred lines between fact and you re a journalist, so you deal in facts but then fiction, which is where you as a novelist come in. yes, i ve understood with time that in my work. my work always begins with meeting an actual person who has a story that seems to me interesting, or who is hiding something, who has evidently some kind of secrets. and i start asking questions. so i always begin writing as a novel. as a journalist. i m a journalist first, and then, since my novels often deal with the colombian past, with our collective past, i turn into a historian ifind documents, i go into archives, and then the last the last person to come into the process is the novelist. and the novelist s only task is to try to say something that neither the journalist nor the historian has said. but in so doing, you twist and bend the truth. or do you not believe there is such a thing as truth? i do believe there is such a thing as truth. epistemologically i do believe that, but i don t think it s accessible through one story. i don t think one story can.interpret it fully. so you need several stories coming from several parts. and this is particularly true in my country, where we are trying to deal with a recent history of violence. and we are all trying storytellers, journalists, historians, novelists who are trying to open a space in which different stories about these last 50 years coexist, have the right to exist. but if, if your perception that, actually, truth is complex and it requires the understanding of different people s perspectives and memories. yes. ..and they can recollect the same event in very different ways. yes. where does that leave colombia s attempt to reach, you know, what in south africa was known as truth and reconciliation ? is it possible in colombia? that s what we are trying to do. the peace agreements that were passed in 2016, which i think is one of the great successes in the history of my country, these agreements between the colombian government ofjuan manuel santos and the farc guerrilla. yeah, it should be said it was with the farc group, which was the dominant insurgent group. only one of them. ..but there are many other rebel groups who have not made peace and who are not part of that agreement. exactly. but it was the biggest guerrilla, perhaps the oldest one, and the strongest one, certainly. so it was a success story to make peace with this guerrilla movement. now, part of the. part of what the agreements created were two institutions, the commission of truth and the transitional justice tribunals. both of them are, among several other things, in charge of telling stories, opening spaces in which people can come and tell their story, be recognised as victims of violence, or as perpetrators who ask for forgiveness. the victims may or may not forgive, but the most, the most wonderful human situations have been created or allowed by this, by the institutions. and they all go through the same phenomenon of telling stories. but is it really healing wounds, or do those wounds still fester in your country? that s that s a great question. you never know if remembering can be sometimes exciting, new resentments or keeping hatred alive. i do have i do have faith in the power of remembering correctly and accurately the past. carlos fuentes, the mexican novelist, said there is no living future with a dead past, and part of our role, i think, as novelists and storytellers in general, is keeping the past alive, trying to keep it true, keep it honest, so that we can understand it and move forward. ah, i mean, something pretty extraordinary happened in 2022 when the colombian electorate voted into power. yeah. ..president petro, who in a previous life, not so very long ago had been a committed guerrilla fighter in the m 19 group, and now he sits in the presidential palace. but that clearly sticks in the throat of many colombians. and ijust wonder, as you look at your country today, whether you fear that petro, who came to power pledging, total peace with all of the different armed groups in his country. yes. ..whether in fact his presidency is deepening polarisation. well, i m very critical about president petro. i think he is a populist and a demagogue of a very old latin american tradition. but he had this unique opportunity of and this is why i thought his election was good news of implementing the peace agreements of 2016, which had been disregarded or actively sabotaged by the last conservative government of ivan duque. he hasn t. it s not looking so good right now, is it? i mean, as i understand it, of the different armed groups. because he seems to be saying that he wants a, you know, an ultimate peace and a disarming of all the groups, including criminal gangs as well as insurgent rebel groups and paramilitary groups, he wants them all to be in this umbrella of total peace. yes. well, of the 20 or more different armed groups, only about five are currently engaging with the government. yes, and not only that, to me, the bad side of the whole project is that he is taking away from the 2016 agreements, all the attention and the resources and the rhetorical energy of the government. so he is forgetting them, leaving them to die a slow death through inattention, through negligence, concentrating on his own projects. whereas we we looked forward during his election to the first serious implementation of those wonderful agreements that we managed to pass in 2016 after much polarisation. it s not it s not just a question, is it, of the men with guns. it s also the politicians who for decades and decades, at the very least, turned a blind eye and sometimes were actively complicit in the violence, the murder, the chaos and the mayhem in your country. do you think there will be an accounting of those politicians one could say the old political elite in colombia will they be held to account? well, i certainly think they re one of the. one of the main objectives of the peace agreements and the peace negotiations has to be to find the truth, to have people speak the truth and, and accept some kind of truth as the only way for which we. a reconciliation of the country. but there has to be a reconciliation. it s absolutely no use to go through these difficult processes that have divided us and polarised us as a nation. so as you say that and you talk about your hopes for the future of your country i m just looking at my notes where i noted down that right now, opposition leaders in bogota are saying that they have plans to launch national strikes to paralyse the country if petro attempts to establish this talk of a constituent assembly, assembly to bypass parliament and the courts. there s allegations of corruption being bandied around involving close family and associates of petro, including charges that his son is facing of bribery with allegations that it was linked to campaign finance, which of course, he the son and indeed the president himself clearly deny all involvement. but nonetheless, it looks in a way like colombia is sinking back into something very dark and dangerous. i think we are not strangers to a certain kind of dynamics in the whole of the continent. 0ur continent, our continent in south america is being divided into different kinds of populisms right wing populisms such as bolsonaro in brazil some years ago and milei in argentina and the left wing populisms active in nicaragua and venezuela, which are turning their countries into failed democracies. in the middle, we have this negotiation between two kinds of extreme ideas, extreme projects, political projects in colombia. and in the middle there are some looking for a way to create a new political centre of a progressive kind, and this is turning into one of the most difficult things of all. because of the current situation of that tension between what the government of petro is doing, a populist demagogue. on that spectrum of latin american politics with the populism, as you describe it, of both the left and the right where do you see the greatest danger lying for colombia? which way do you believe it might. it s very clear to me that the greatest danger is that petro s government will open the way for a right wing or rather, extreme right wing populism, which is already in the making and gathering force as a reaction to what is going on from the government. that is the most worrying situation for me. underpinning much of the violence in colombia and we ve talked about politics and insurgency but underpinning much of it has been drugs. yes. narco trafficking. yeah. ..and the vast amounts of money and indeed the power that come with controlling the drugs. you have suggested that the only way out of this for a country like colombia is the full legalisation of currently illegal narcotics. yes, for any country, i would think. but particularly. what do you think that would do to colombia? i think drugs are a double problem. you have public order problems linked to the violence and the corruption and the instability created by criminal gangs who try to vie for control of the trade. and on the other hand, you have public health problems linked to consumption of drugs and what that does to. the burden that places on health systems. if you legalise, every experience tells us that legalisation would get rid of the first problem violence, corruption, mafias, criminal gangs are a product of the illegal character of drugs, not of drugs themselves. and we saw that during prohibition in the united states only during prohibition did we have not only alcoholism and private problems, but also mafias and corruption and violence, which are the results of illegality, of the criminal world that is built around the protection of an illegal business. you legalise, you get probably rid of all these things, and you can devote the insane amounts of money that we use in drug wars to prevention and education and treatment of addiction. when you, as a journalist, write about the narco traffickers and the scourge that drugs represents in your country and you write about corruption and the corrosive nature of corruption you re in very dangerous territory. journalists and writers get targeted in colombia. yes. some of them occasionally get killed. do you worry about that? well, this is. this is a trend in the whole of the continent. journalists are being persecuted and imprisoned in venezuela and nicaragua. there are networks closed there. they re being actively persecuted by the government. i m interested in your personal story because we discussed you moving to europe to get a distance where you could write about colombia, but you then moved back in around, i think, around a decade or more ago. 2012, yes. yeah, so you have a presence inside colombia now. do you feel constraints on what you can say? i d rather not think about that maybe. surely, you have to. well, i, uh. i do believe there s a kind of.obligation i have as an intellectual, as an observer, and as a novelist. we have a certain kind of take on colombian life, novelists, and it is it is very difficult to. not to do what albert camus, who is a big figure for me, said it is the role of the journalist to say things are so when you effectively see that things are so, and this is what i try to do. and i know you are friends with many writers around the world, including salman rushdie. when you see what happens to writers who take on, uh, those who don t want their voice to be heard on certain issues, does it make you become more careful about what you say and write? well, salman rushdie is a great example of somebody who has spent the last 30 years defending the freedoms the rest of us take for granted and thriving. i think he is an example of, of courage and of resilience. and it s. for me, it s a source, it s an inspiration and a source of admiration in many senses. and you will continue to write about your country from inside your country? i have never, except for one book, i haven t written a page of fiction that is not obsessively about my country, about trying to understand its violence and trying to, uh, explore it and illuminate it. and as a journalist, i only try to defend our right our right to peace, to have a peaceful country. which is, you know, hopefully in the making, but not there immediately. juan gabriel vasquez, thank you very much forjoining me on hardtalk. it was a pleasure. thank you. hello there. weather for the week ahead is perhaps not the story you want. no significant summer sunshine or warmth, i m afraid. in fact, the story in armagh on sunday really sets the scene just a high of ten degrees. we had cloudy skies with light rain or drizzle with a cool northerly wind as well. now, that rain is sinking its way steadily southwards and it will clear away from eastern england and south east england during monday morning. behind it, this northerly wind and this cooler air source starts to kick in across the country. so a rash of showers, a cold, brisk wind driving those showers in off exposed coasts and drifting their way steadily south across scotland and northern ireland as we go through the morning. here s our cloud and rain still lingering across east yorkshire, lincolnshire first thing in the morning, some heavier bursts that will ease away. best of any brighter skies, perhaps across southern england down to the south west. here, showers should be few and further between. but nevertheless, that wind direction still really digging in right across the country. so sunny spells, scattered showers, a brisk northwesterly wind for many, so temperatures just below par really for this time of year, a maximum of 10 15 degrees for most. we might see highs of 17 or 18 if we get some sunshine across south west england and wales. now, as we move out of monday into tuesday, the low pressure drifts off to scandinavia, high pressure builds. it should start to kill off some of the showers out to the west. but with those clearing skies, well, those temperatures will be below path through the night as well, low single figures for some, quite a chilly start to our tuesday morning. hopefully some sunshine around on tuesday. there will continue to be some showers, most frequent ones running down through central and eastern scotland and england. further west, some brighter skies and once again, highs of 17 degrees, but for many, just a maximum of 10 15 once again. moving out of tuesday into wednesday, winds will fall lighter still for a time, but there s another low pushing in and that will bring some wetter weather to close out the end of the working week. it will gradually start to change the wind direction. so, after a drier day on wednesday, it will turn that little bit milder, but also wetter as we head into the weekend. live from london. this is bbc news. french president emmanuel macron calls a snap election after his alliance is heavily defeated by the far right in a european parliament vote. translation: i decided to put back in your hands the choice of our parliamentary future. in a few moments i will sign the decree convening the legislative election. they will be held on june 30, the first round, and july seven, the second round. the israeli war cabinet minister benny gantz pulls his party out of the israeli government, accusing benjamin netanyahu of making empty promises over the war in gaza. 0n the campaign trail across the uk, the parties begin setting out their manifesto promises this week with the liberal democrats launching their manifesto later this morning. and coming up in business we ll be exploring the rise of swiftonomics as the billionaire pop star s eras tour gets under way in scotland. hello, i m sally bundock. a very warm welcome to the programme. we start in france, and in what s been described as a huge political gamble, the french president emmanuel macron has called a snap parliamentary vote after his alliance suffered a big defeat by the populist right in european union elections. mr macron said he couldn t ignore the result and dissolving parliament was an act of trust in the french people. the national rally party led by marine le pen is on course to win a record 32% of the vote