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east coast, 2:30 out west. i'm jonathan lemire. john bolton says the allegations against donald trump are true he told msnbc's jen psaki that trump appeared to have a pattern of wanting to collect classified documents. >> i think he was kind of a collector of things that he thought were of interest to him for some reason or another, clippings, mementoes, classified documents,and it was very disturbing we could see in the course of meetings with him at intelligence briefings, decision meetings, sometimes he liked to retain things and it became a practice just to make sure we got them back in as many cases as we could. obviously we failed in many cases, but it was a pattern that was evident to me. >> did he ever ask you to hold onto a document that concerned you. >> well, there were some that we did get back
>> unity has been one of the messages. anna kikina is the first cosmonaut. all of the tensions have been pushed to the side. it's been talking about unity and working together, which of course is the message nasa wants. when we talk about nicole. they're allow to bring their own private mementoes. she was asked what she's bringing. she said it's a gift that she got from her mother long ago, a dream catcher. of course, significant ties to the culture from which she comes, and also it represents the dreams that now are about to come true. pop,? >> how is that for a beautiful story, as she heads up on a history-making mission. that's for sure. martin, thank you so much. thanks to all of you for joining us today. i'm poppy harlow. at this hour with erica hill starts right now.
in paragraph 25, and then they have a facsimile of the press release from the save america political action committee. so they show the evidence that he was saying that he had turned everything over and that they had found nothing. kelly o'donnell, you covered this man full time for many years. the m.o. is the man you covered, certainly taking things -- you know, you can understand him taking some mementoes and even a copy of the letter from kim jong-un. some of these things you could defend because they were so personal to him and he loved the so-called beautiful letter. but names and sources, spies, signals intelligence -- there's just no way to justify that being anyplace but in the national archives or some other vault. >> listening to your conversation, if i could knit together a couple of points that i was reminded of listening to some of our other guests here.
is a lot about donald trump as a president. he loved the accouterments of being a president. he didn't necessarily want to do the things he needed to do to do the job. that goes all the way through his position now as former president. he goes through it at mar-a-lago. he feels these documents and these things are just accouterments that are part of -- mementoes of his time as president. and over 18 months that the government was trying to retrieve some of these things, he seemed to never really appreciate that this was serious. and that's reason why we get to the place we are now. you know, it is one of those things where there's a history. and there's a history of mar-a-lago, too, where you have foreign nationals who were prosecuted for trying to get in there. we knew and everyone knew that the security and the protocols for entering mar-a-lago were not what they should be, certainly not if you're going to be storing these sensitive type of materials there.
the job. that goes all the way through his position now as former president. he goes through it at mar-a-lago. he feels these documents and these things are just accouterments that are part of -- mementoes of his time as president. and over 18 months that the government was trying to retrieve some of these things, he seemed to never really appreciate that this was serious. and that's reason why we get to the place we are now. you know, it is one of those things where there's a history. and there's a history of mar-a-lago, too, where you have foreign nationals who were prosecuted for trying to get in there. we knew and everyone knew that the security and the protocols for entering mar-a-lago were not what they should be, certainly not if you're going to be storing these sensitive type of materials there. >> and doug, to the point of -- i think many people are asking the same question. you've heard the same of -- and i reference it like in "the office" when michael scott says,
called "the presidential records act." but trump appeared to show little regard for preserving official records. according to the archives, many of the documents that were turned over when he left office had been torn into pieces by trump himself, some of them later taped together by his aides. others still in pieces. >> jon karl with us live from washington. it would seem the obvious question, any explanation why president trump took the 15 boxes of documents and, i guess, why it took a year to get them back? >> reporter: it's unclear, david. we have asked the former president's staff and received no answers, so we don't know whether he was simply taking mementoes with him or if he had another reason taking 15 boxes worth of what are presidential records out of the white house. >> jon karl in washington tonight, thank you. when we come back here on a monday night, the american olympic star, the skating star, and the covid news tonight. he will not be competing. and the woman plunging to her death when a drawbridge
report and the fact that the truth is stranger than fiction. but then again we're talking to a man now, tim naftali, you know full well that the so-called plumbers of the world had a role in nixon's own experience when it comes to evaluating what he did and did not do. i wonder from your perspective, give us a little bit of the history. until nixon, the idea of presidents being able to take their documents, their mementoes, whatever their records were, that was pretty standard practice at that point. >> it was, yes. i think donald trump has certainly given the new meaning to the term white house plumbers. in the nixon case, the plumbers were supposed to prevent leaks. in trump's case, they were supposed to help get rid of documents, i suppose. our -- once again, this is a presidential norm. our first president, george washington, decided that his
>> but the people of african descent in this country, descendants of slaves, what benefits did they get from slavery? >> they're here. >> what's amazing is you get such a sense of place. this can be everytown, usa, but you're kind of surrounded with mementoes from the past, right, including mementoes and monuments to the confederacy. >> how do you grapple with that? how do you grapple with pretty and the nice with the ugly underbelt? >> there's as much division in a way because history means there's a lack of consideration of how this might make us feel, black americans feel. there seems to be this lock on the idea that we can't do it to history. not history. coming up, my conversation with a descendant of the president of the confederacy, jefferson davis.
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