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so, i don't think the republican party was destroyed by president bush. i think that we went through a tough i hope that the house and senate republicans realize reform is their responsibility. they have no one to blame. their job is to go out and get the job done. >> bill: okay, now, you would agree with me that we are not a very good period in america right now. >> that's correct. >> bill: we have a lot of problems that need to be solved. i put to president bush last night, i want to play this sound bite now and i want you to react to it. i put to him that, look, don't you as a former president for eight years and a guy who instituted some policies that are in play right now, don't you have an obligation to suggest the path the country might take? roll it. >> i don't think it's good for a former president to be criticizing his successor. >> but here's the problem for the folks. >> i don't want to be. >> bill: i know you don't. >> in the arena criticizing my successor. >> bill: the folks live in the country. your policies in iraq, afghanistan, economically, bleed
from 67 to 6 . >> 67 and 68 to 70 in 2000 i don't like that. there were almost riots in france as they raised the retirement age there from 62 from 60. we're talking about an extraordinary retirement age here. and at the same time, within the recommendations of the deficit reduction commission is an additional payroll tax for social security. so what they're asking the american people who do is to pay more into social security and obviously take less out by raising retirement age. it's unreasonable. it's a continuation of what has been the problem. taking money from the private sector, putting it into the public and redistributing wealth. >> bill: okay. but the trend is for people to work longer. >> sure. >> bill: be healthier and, you know, look at you, what are you 75 years old now dobbs? >> just shy of it. >> bill: come on. >> just shy of it. >> bill: you don't like the elimination of the mortgage interest tax deduction.
weeks, it's a window. you have got thanksgiving, you have got christmas. there is not a lot of time. you know the republicans are just -- leslie, they are going to go crazy on this issue beginning on monday. they will go no way you are going to raise taxes. they are going to be screaming and yelling. right now lou dobbs, can i hear him. is he hyperventilating over the prospect that taxes might be raised. i mean, this is what is going to happen next week, leslie. >> i'm scared heart attacks and hyper ventilation. at least i'm healthy with you at the moment, bill. i have to tell you the president has a responsibility, especially if he wants to be reelected of having a great economy. the reality is the bush tax cuts were set for a decade and the bush tax cuts did not help to stimulate the economy. >> bill: they did in the beginning. they got us out of the 2001 recession. >> where are they now? >> bill: we're here because of a big wall street con, not because folks are paying taxes or not. look, leslie. >> that's debatable. it's so fallacious it hurts my ear lobe.
talk show host and you guys got wiped out? >> that was rush limbaugh's take to be pillarried by oprah. everyone on the stage was enormously successful during runs that were unprecedented when gauged against the hundreds of talk shows that are proposed and get mounted an then last a couple of weeks. i was on for 11 years. i was the lowest tenure me and ricki lake. everyone else was there for more than 11. we had great runs oprah was and is the prime number one. she is a self-made billionairest. the highest income earner among american women. i think she is an amazing story. but the see phil donahue there and the virtue of the forum to give the daytime audience for credit for having half a brain. i think that was very interesting. we had some fun both on camera and off camera. we all got together later on in the evening at the four seasons hotel. >> bill: i want to stop you
in a more practical or i guess international sense, the united nations has a convention against torture that is universally prosecutable. what that means is you may remember the chilean dictator general as you gus teen teen-augustine when he chileans when he took over that country. what if bush goes to canada. he goes to spain. he goes to belgium, another country that has shown an interest in doing these transnational prosecutions. >> bill: they can grab him but they won't. >> as a practical matter everybody is saying that george w. bush will get a pass that this is basically for propaganda. >> he will get a pass. >> he probably will. people are commenting on the identical spectrum -- ideological spectrum.
he has done it before. i think at the end of the day he is someone who tries to keep an eye on his political health. and, listen, this isn't just a right-left debate anymore much the american people understand loud and clear and they understand it at an intuitive level that you do not raise taxes on anybody, especially the job craters. -- creators. >> bill: directly ahead as we continue from south florida this evening, lou dobbs on the tax controversy and how to cut down the wild government spending. lowe will -- lou will have some suggestion. geraldo will comment on just a few moments as the factor continues across the u
that. i think is rationale and, again, way to greater productivity and to remove a punishment, a federal tax punishment on working men and women and small business people. >> bill: all right, lou. once again i'm glad you are on board with the fox business channel. plenty more this evening. geraldo demanding that president bush be investigated for -- -- glenn beck demanding that sorge soros leader of a shadow government. wow. we hope you stay tuned to ♪ [ male announcer ] every day thousands of people are switching from tylenol advil. to len more and get youspecial offer, go to takeadvil.com. take action. take advil.
if you tell me where they live, i goal to their house. do they have a house? remember when you found -- wait, i have got to give you. >> 100 organizations. >> bill: you found out there was a place in new orleans where all this acorn money was going. >> yes. >> bill: then we went down there. remember, we sent guys down there. it was a boarded up funeral home where all this money went. and then two guys took the money and did whatever they wanted with the money. >> right. this stuff is all out in the open. this isn't a star chamber. he is out in the open. the shadow party convention was on c-span. >> bill: they were? >> yes. nobody pays attention to it hosted by arianna huffington, surprise, surprise. >> bill: you say to all these people i don't think they have as much power as you think they have. i could be wrong. soros actually got in touch with you, right. >> yes. soros, not soros himself soros' number two guy got in touch with my number two guy. >> bill: is that the midget? dr. evil? ♪ one-eighth your size. >> i think he did bring a cat.
>> bill: that is the. >> that is the greatest thing ever. >> bill: sell more copies with fox news than f what he is saying and looks like bow diddly,. >> it should be the fox news theme song. if you add fox news to anything, it makes it better. they should do it for other songs. >> bill: that's right. >> smoke on the fox news. stairway to fox news. [ laughter ] >> jumping jack fox news. >> bill: we got it, gutfeld. my dumbest thing of the week is nancy pelosi, this is great. i was going to telling the audience and then we will get out of here and do pinheads and patriots. nancy pelosi on wednesday, all right, did a party in the cannon house office building on capitol hill and it was a reception honoring the accomplishments of the 111th congress. only no congress people were invited and nobody could see what was going on in the party. only advocates -- advocacy groups could show up for the
party. this is what we like, open government, right, ladies and gentlemen? this wasn't paid for by mrs. pelosi. no it wasn't. this, whatever went on behind that curtain, and i shutter to think, all right, was paid for by us and honoring the congress but no congress people were invited. dumbest. >> bill, there was a stripper there. >> bill: i don't want to know, gutfeld. >> i'm upset curtain wasn't leopard. i don't like the choice of decor. >> bill: dumbest thing of the week -- of the month. pinheads and patriots in a moment tonight starring me and mallard fillmore. mallard fillmore. right back with p and p [ woman ] you know, as a mom, i worry about my son playing football. which is why i'm really excited. because toyot developed this software that can simulate head injuries and helps make people safer. then they shared this technology with researchers at wake forest to help reduce head injuries on the football field. so, you know, i can feel a bit better