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other candidates. she catalks about her experienc what she brings to the table, her wyche as a combat veteran, her background as a mom, as an incredibly successful governor during incredibly tough times in south carolina, turning that entire state around. her experience knowing that you got to be accountable. when you're the president, when you're the governor, you don't blame other people, right. the buck stops here. accountability matters. and that transparency, being yourself and genuine, that builds a lot of trust with folks. when she does that, she knocks it out of the park. she keeps doing what she has been doing, she is going to be okay. >> governor sununu, thanks for your time. erin, let's go back to you. >> so jamie, hearing anderson talk to governor sununu, governor sununu is trying to make his case for his candidate. nikki haley law-abide path, crushing it. trump is nervous and vulnerable. how much of that reflects the reality? >> david, stop laughing! i don't think it, does reflect

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nikki haley has to be careful when she is on the stage. you talked about these really evangelical and more religious voters here, those are not the voters in new hampshire. they're more educated. they're less religious. going after a lot of disaffected democrats or unaffiliated voters. she can't say anything in this iowa campaign that is going the get their screwed up in new hampshire. >> here is the thing. christie gets out tonight two hours before the last debate before the first votes. and those first votes are in iowa. but now you've got new hampshire voters tonight. i'm going bet a lot -- i'm going the tune in and watch this debate. and the ones who are up to look for haley don't want the hear the message that haley needs to deliver toon iowa gop base, whatever leg of the base you're talking about in iowa. so what does she do? >> i think she needs to prioritize new hampshire. i don't think you can alienate iowa. i think if she gets a dreadful, terrible third place, that's not the momentum you want. but i think new hampshire, there is no path to the nomination for her that does not run through a victory in new hampshire in my view. and i think in order to make

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thun this year is removed the speaker and expelled a member. just today the republicans killed their own rule to pass a bill. they're doing everything they can to get back into the minority as fast as possible. i don't know. they've got a free joet majority. we'll see if they can pass it. there are a lot of moderate members that will have to deal with it back in their districts. i think that's very unclear at the moment. >> congressman moskowitz, i appreciate your time. >> thank you, anderson. and thank you for everything you did for margie stone man douglas high school where i graduated from. >> you take care. thank you. we are now less than 30 minutes from our chance for ron desantis and nikki haley to try and close the gap against the former president in iowa. plus, why trump's team tonight saying christie dropping out actually hurts nikki haley. more on that ahead.

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she is within striking distance of donald trump in new hampshire. if even the majority of christie votes go to nikki haley, she could potentially beat him there. i would expect to see attacks ramping up, and they're going to lean into this. she is a lefty, she is a rino, she has to carve out her niche which is not to that same base. >> if i'm nikki haley and they start that business, what i say is i can win votes all over the place. i can get independents. i can get democrats. if we're going win the white house, i need all of them to show up and vote for me. i'm not turning any votes away. that's the campaign she would run 245 would maybe find some republican voters that would get past donald trump. >> that's a crucial point. obviously the reason she hasn't done that so directly is she thinks it may alienate some of the core republican voters. are there some who might say i don't like this whole independent business, but i am a little sick of him and i do want a winner. there are two ways to think about electability. i want to pick somebody who can get the independents, somebody who can get the more moderate

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haley and desantis. sending an email blast after chris christie dropped out of the race tonight, arguing that christie pulling out is actually bad for haley. okay. obviously everyone perceives it to to be good for her. their argument is christie voters are not conservative republicans. they're mostly crossover votes. so their email reads in party "christie's withdrawal will only pull nikki haley further to the left. seriously, chris christie has very serious negatives and should be a liability to nikki haley." back to our panel. i will say alyssa. i guess by trump's argument, i guess it's a good thing that christie is not going to come out and endorse nikki haley, throws not now, if ever. >> i mean, it's arguably a accident spin from trump campaign. they are fearful of nikki haley. maga inc. is spending more than $4.5 million against haley. they have been much more aggressive in their criticisms. and i think they've realized that this does open a window.

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>> i think the timing to me feels significant. he wanted to do it just before the caucuses. i think it has already injected a momentum shift into this race. there is now the possibility that one of these candidates will be on the stage behind us, could draw his supporters, which would totally change the dynamics of the contests that are ahead. christie knew that was a possibility and i think waited until this moment so it could have maximum impact. it doesn't just get absorbed into the atmosphere of this primary. this is the moment when everything matters. every day matters. and every endorsement matters. he wanted it to have impact, and i think it will. >> i wanted to play some of the hot mic moments that christie was recorded shortly before his announcement. let's listen. >> she's going to get smoked. and you and i both know it. she is not up to this. desantis calls me. calls me. petrified that i would --

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>> it's unclear -- we don't know the full context of what he was saying. >> that's very nice of you to say. >> i feel this sense over obligation. >> because those comments were pretty new jersey blunt on chris christie's part. look, i don't -- this is politics, right. these candidates talk smack behind the scenes all the time. they know it. i don't necessarily see those comments precluding anything from this point forward. >> but he has said in terms of endorsements he would not endorse a candidate who would support trump. >> look, that is a litmus test for nikki haley. it is also a litmus test for ron desantis. what is ron desantis' answer to whether he will support donald trump or not? he said he would consider pardoning him. i think it puts both of them on the spot. i think christie, it almost sounds to me not to

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back with us is abby phillip. and joining us is david axelrod, former senior adviser to president obama. do you think ron desantis has done everything to point out the differences between him and the former president? >> no, clearly he hasn't. in fact, the town hall last week was notable because it was the first time that he actually started drawing distinctions. and the distinctions he was drawing were basically he promised stuff that he didn't deliver. i had to deliver stuff. that's the essence of the message. and a little bit of there is baggage that is going to make it harder to win. >> desantis would be there two two terms where trump only one. >> i've said many times and said it to you, it's going for the capillary and not the jugular. they're afraid to attack trump frontally for the reason you saw tonight demonstrated by chris christie's exit from the race. it's not what the republican market is buying. >> christie knows already that these candidates are unwilling to say that trump is unfit. he pointed out today that on the

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her campaign is remotely even thinking about right now. i can imagine it hasn't even crossed her mind, nor should it, by the way. we can talk about it and the media can talk about it and those outside the game can speculate. but when you're a candidate, it is really the last thing you're ever thinking about. she doesn't play for second place. she has a shot to win here and galvanize the entire republican party, the entire country together. when you're this close to doing what no one thought could be done, that is all that's on your mind. >> what's the important thing for your candidate for nikki haley to do tonight on this debate stage? should the focus by her be on ron desantis and emphasizing differences with him or should it be on the former president? >> what nikki should do is what she's always been doing through this whole race. be genuine. she just has to be herself. that's why when she does her events, she talks a lot about herself. she doesn't worry about trump and desantis and christie. she doesn't worry about the

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debate stage, they all raised their hand to say that they would support him, even if he were a convicted felon. and he knows that that's where they are now. he is trying to move them somewhere else. when desantis and haley point out their policy differences with trump, that is not the question that chris christie is asking. he is asking about character. and that is what they have been in some ways unwilling to do. but i will say last town hall, desantis went closer than he has in the past, saying your kids would be proud to have me as a president. implicit. but like you pointed out, it's the popular, not the jugular. >> tonight will anything be different with christie out of the race? will they turn toward trump more in terms of being aggressive? >> your guess is as good as mine. i don't know how they see the politics of it. the poll that we were talking about earlier on the show showing that christie supporters right now overwhelmingly would go to haley as their second

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