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from human history. >> hold on, hold up. this is president trump's campaign, that is fake. and it's pretending to be a rhonda scent this campaign that? >> no, iran desantis twitter spaces, which, remember when he had the botched launch -- so, yes, this is their nightmare version of what a twitter spaces -- >> how is anybody supposed to be able to tell what's real? >> well, this is the issue. that obviously is a troll, a very transparent one. but, you see other things come out, like we've seen fake announcement of an explosion at the pentagon, or an image of donald trump being arrested. these are totally fabricated. non institutional actors. and, the dangers that these things is go viral. and, of course, that starts, it sets off the rib of disinformation. and i think we need to confront the fact that we are going to be seeing more of this coming. up and people maybe subsets double to it, so that may be talking about what kind of regulations can be put in place. >> well, what is the answer? >> don't look to me.
it's those in power who introduced and sign oppressive laws that inflict on -- states population. you've gotta come runner who shot from absolute obscurity to popularity, brawling of voters using the same tricks as donald trump, and now rhonda census is running against trump in 2024 on a record of turning his own state into a trumpian dystopia. here's some of what this alternative to donald trump has already done. mid-pandemic, desantis pointed a known critic of the covid-19 vaccine as the surgeon general of the state. soon after, desantis signed a bill banning both mask requirements in schools and employers issued vaccine mandates. in april, desantis signed draconian bill that bans most abortions after six weeks, which is so early that many women don't even know they're pregnant yet. he's pushed a series of measures, allowing parents to override educators and challenge or banned books in classrooms and libraries. desantis signed signatories don't say gay bill last march, banning teachers from teaching or discussing sexual orientation or gender identity
the kind of, i don't want to say gravitas, but the presence, the verbal skills to throw punches at both trump and desantis. he is a former prosecutor, so he has no bones, i think, about going after trump for the indictments and telling him, and everyone else who's listening, these are real, they're not gonna go away, do you really want to nominate someone who is under indictment for serious charges. he's not, i think, in there to win it. he's in there to blow up the two front runners. and perhaps things, well, maybe if i do that, someone else will get to win and all either gets to be vice president for attorney general. what >> doug. he is unique tellers when it comes to pumping peoples balloons, and we saw that in 2016. if he's able to pump -- first donald trump balloon, that's a lot to get out. or if anybody else is. -- it doesn't automatically become rhonda sentences. he may be the front runner at
florida or texas at all, actually. i meant it as concern for the people of florida and texas because what warren desantis is doing in florida is dangerous to a lot of real people. it may sound like it's we -- it may energize the base, but if you're gay, if you're a woman, if your trans, if you are an immigrant, if you're an undocumented person, whatever people think about this, their safety and livelihoods are in danger. >> that's right, ali. or if you're allies of those communities, as you clearly are, and i got a compliment you on that monologue you did just before the break. if you ever want to get into politics, we got a governorship raised in 2026 ali, because you nailed florida. but yes, look, i'm not afraid to say that rhonda census is a dangerous person and would be a dangerous president. he somebody who brings the arrogance of donald trump, the paranoia of richard nixon, but the parasite possibility of bill barr. he uses them in a very regressive and dangerous way. his abuse of office in florida
are defined by trumpism. yet, they know they can't totally alienated his voters. they have to make a play for him. but they also have to make the argument that they are a better candidate than he. >> you summarized it. this is why donald trump is consistently about 50% in the polls. there are two lanes in this contest. there is the you are donald trump lane, then there is the you are not donald trump lane. everyone is trying to position themselves as placed as possible in the not donald trump lane. while at the same time, not alienating the people who are voting based on the lead in conservative, that's donald trump. that's who we. has it sort of fascinating, if you look at the polling data, rhonda sentences actually also in the donald trump lane. he's saying all the things that donald trump says. over the course of the past several months, basically the two of them combined have had the same number, the same percentage in the polls nationally. it's just that donald trump has been taking poll numbers away from ron desantis. ron desantis stuck behind trump in the trump lane.
he was in iowa, but here is just a little taste of the back and forth that has really escalated over the last 24 hours on everything from the detailing, to -- >> run, as they call, him rhonda scent ammonia's -- >> i think it is so, petty i think it is so juvenile, i do not think that is what voters want. honestly, i think that his conduct with which he has been doing for u.s., now i think that is one of the reasons he is not in the white house now. >> when he says it, years every time i hear it -- >> i think it is a project that will begin on day one, and it will require a daily grind for not just one term, but i think for two full presidential terms. >> when i heard desantis go out and say, and talk about eight, years when you need a, years you don't need, eight years you need six months. we could turn this thing around so quickly. if you need eight years who the -- wants to wait eight years. you don't need eight years.
spectrum have grown the fastest. you have the people that are the most vulnerable in this economy getting the most benefit, and when that all lines up and the president now goes into 2024, saying, i've taken care of the debt limit, as you and jeremy were just talking about, don't have to deal with that again. he's going to talk about that tonight for sure, and then he can say, wages match inflation, and oh, by the way, if you look at the last three to six months, inflation is actually declining at a pretty steady pace. not fast enough, but pretty steadily. the president seems to be in a good position. >> grateful for the insights. let's bring the conversation into the room now with me to share their reporting and their insights. manu raju, rhonda of the "washington post," and axios's alex thompson. we've spent the last week focusing on the house republicans because that was the big question. could you get the debt deal through? the president is going to speak tonight. he has this deal. he believes, and we'll see him make the case tonight, that he protected most of his big priorities in this. he didn't give the republicans what he wanted to. read a line from david ignacious
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they know that there is rhonda scientists in there's trump on the ballot, potentially. as a result of that, they're going to have to unify in order to show that they're cohesive, moving into 2024. that will, honestly, continue to show, you know, the scrambling that republicans are going to do if they continue this infighting. i agree with téa here, there's more of an uphill battle for republicans in this, in the messaging war, and democrats may not be happy with everything that's in it, but i do think this really shows biden as a key negotiator and it's someone who's able to be a president for all americans. which is the platform that he ran on, and when that should continue to run in 2024. >> chuck, let's talk about that. look, there were lots of folks who've been critical about this process here. i, myself, was one of them. at one point, the white house said, they're not negotiating on the debt limit. this is a negotiation on the debt limit, there's a deal coming out of the negotiations on the debt limit. a deal that, it looks like,
buildings, destroy american democracy, that's okay. stand back and stand by. let me tell you something, the rotted corpse of what once was the republican party, it just keeps lurching forward, zombie like. and it will follow donald trump into whatever gutter he takes them on this eight-year march towards fascism, not almost fascism, it is not something quite like fascism, but fascism itself. and to think the republican party i grew up in and the conservatives that, while they claim to be conservatives, they want to talk about being the party of law and order, and they argued that criminal penalties did not just punish the violators like stewart rhodes, but also discouraged other people from committing those same, violent, crimes. but no more, rhonda's antis. no more, donald trump.